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Spare The Rod Spoil Child

Spare the rod and spoil the child I disagree with. Using any type of physical force goes against nature and God. When we do something wrong does God hit us? No, he guides us gently, as we should our children those who use physical force are out of control.

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Nikki: The Bible is the Living Word of God.

You're wrong and the Roman Catholic church, all the priests, bishops, cardinals and Popes are wrong.

The bread and wine are NOT the literal body and blood of Christ.

Saints, as you've been taught, are NOT intercessors to God. Scripture says that I'm a saint. So are Elder, Shira and all of the born again believers.

Priests do NOT have any special authority, or power, to forgive sins. Nor is penance required.

Celibacy, not being married, is NOT a requirement to be a minister of the Gospel.

Yes, you can lead a person to Christ without the Gospels. Paul did it because the Gospels had NOT been written at the time.
---Grandma on 7/11/13



just look at those boxy polyester suits the conservitive first ladies wore, verses those sexy trend setting outfits of the fashion diva M Obama drapes her body with ---francis on 7/11/13


Michelle is no trend setter. Prostitutes have been dressing like that for decades. No respectable spouse of a world leader would be caught dead wearing those skin tight plastic stretchy pants and strapless halter tops that Michelle Obama favors. That's pretty pathetic. Her husband holds what was once considered the most powerful office in the world. At least run a freakin' comb through your hair when you go out in public for crying out loud. What kind of first lady wears sleeveless tank tops anyways? Even Hilary had more class than that!
---Jed on 7/11/13


francis, you owe the seniors of this country an apologize. the bible teaches us seniors are full of wisdom. I challenge you any day of the week to keep up with me on my ipad, iphone, my dell convertible notebook and my math. I will math myself around you over and over. I am 74 yrs old and you can not keep up with me. seniors had the best life and worked harder than any other generation. they invented the most, worked the hardest, was a patriot in ww11. we had no terriorist around who was part of our military and we didn't send the enemy money or jet fighters. YOU OWE THE SENIORS OF THIS COUNTRY AN APOLOGIZE THAT LAST FOR 100 YEARS.
---shira4368 on 7/11/13


way to go nikki. you got it right girl. thanks way to go
---shira4368 on 7/11/13


Liberals are like Sherrif Taylor, we do not need guns to make a point, and we do not need people to fear us
---francis on 7/11/13

Yup, on TV land.
I would love to live in Mayberry.

In the real world, people without guns are usually dead.
---Nikki on 7/11/13




Francis,i am female barney. We gun toters will protect our family. You just don't get it do you? Sheriff Taylor was not a liberal. Face your eyes toward Washington and you will see where most liberals are. They rally around our "anointed" one. Sometimes they take unnessary trips in charter jets at your expense so they can be home for a week or so and still earn their paychecks.
---shira4368 on 7/11/13


Jed Conservitives are like barney Fife, gun totting hillbillies who think that can control everyone and everything

Liberals are like Sherrif Taylor, we do not need guns to make a point, and we do not need people to fear us
---francis on 7/11/13


MarkV: The problem is that Nikki does not believe the Epistles are the Word of God. She believes that only the words spoken by Jesus in the Gospels is God's Word.--Grandma on 7/11/13

You should be ashamed of yourself. When did I ever say the Epistles isn't the word of God? Never. You made that up.

I said Jesus' Words trumps any of his disciples.

Are you claiming the disciples' word have the same standing as Jesus???

You and I both know Jesus is God and his Disciples are not.

Paul, Peter, John, James, and all others are not the son of God!

It isn't nice to make false statements esp on a Christian forum

Jesus and only Jesus is the Son of God.
He is the WORD, and only He is the WORD!
---Nikki on 7/11/13


---Jed on 7/11/13
That is the bext you have?

I give you 'they think that a tweet is what buckwheat has when heis well behaved."

and you give me liberalism and leftist?

See how clear the difference is between you conservitives and we liberals. No sense of humour, no style.

just look at those boxy polyester suits the conservitive first ladies wore, verses those sexy trend setting outfits of the fashion diva M Obama drapes her body with


---francis on 7/11/13



Haven't you noticed that our country (USA) is being run by retreaded 60's hippie leftists (Clinton's, Carey, etc.)
--jerry6593 on 7/11/13
No not at all.
What I see are old foggies, who still think that we are fighting the cold war.

They have the same old ideas that they have had since 1960

They are standing in the way of progress. Most of them still have to take thier shoes of to count to 18, cannot use a computer, cannot text, and that that a tweet is what buckwheat has when heis well behaved

---francis on 7/11/13


Well francis, we can't really help it if you have a well known mental illness (called liberalism) that prevents you from knowing reality from leftist delusions.
---Jed on 7/11/13




MarkV: The problem is that Nikki does not believe the Epistles are the Word of God. She believes that only the words spoken by Jesus in the Gospels is God's Word. If she were a born again believer, the Holy Spirit would hopefully correct her error.

Confessing to a priest, and being given penance, is totally in conflict with Scripture. Doing penance for forgiveness of sins is Works Theology. Forgiveness of sins by God is a FREE gift of God. Ephesians 2:8-9 says salvation is by grace not works. Penance is works.
---Grandma on 7/11/13


Jed, I agree with you when you say,
" I also agree with you about people wanting to play a victim."
It seems to me that now with more black directors we get the same movies that make blacks victim's. It seems they are the ones that will not move forward, they keep bringing it up as if we are responsible ourselves. It's good to remember the past, but as we know, we are not responsible for what happened years ago. At list not I. I do not owe anyone anything. I can see the Jews bringing the Holocust every now and then, because we cannot forget what one guy (Hitler) was able to do to a race. That to me is different. Just my opinion. Sometimes our opinions hurt others, hope mine will not.
---Mark_V. on 7/11/13


Am I supposed to be outraged when I'm called "whitey", "cracker", "honkey", "redneck" etc.? Do you believe in free speech?---jerry6593

Yes! The NWCCP or whatever it is called is outdated. The members are dying out. Literally. Why? Because race relations as gotten better!
I live in Shelby County in Alabama that went to the Supreme Court. They got it right.

//So why don't they abolish The United NEGRO College Fund?//

No need, it is dying out as well.

As I said, people would say the word nergro too quickly and try to get away with the N word. Besides. Black in Spanish is Negro in English which means Black. Full circle.

So you have your wish.
We call ourselves Black.
---Nikki on 7/11/13


Haven't you noticed that our country (USA) is being run by retreaded 60's hippie leftists (Clinton's, Carey, etc.)
--jerry6593 on 7/11/13
No not at all.
What I see are old foggies, who still think that we are fighting the cold war.

They have the same old ideas that they have had since 1960

They are standing in the way of progress. Most of them still have to take thier shoes of to count to 18, cannot use a computer, cannot text, and that that a tweet is what buckwheat has when heis well behaved
---francis on 7/11/13


Nikki: "I just wish everyone will stop living in the 60's."

Not likely! Haven't you noticed that our country (USA) is being run by retreaded 60's hippie leftists (Clinton's, Carey, etc.)


"So, that's why many blacks don't like that word Negro."

So why don't they abolish The United NEGRO College Fund? "Negro" is the correct term for the black race, just as "Caucasian" is for whites. In fact, "negro" means "black" in several languages.

Am I supposed to be outraged when I'm called "whitey", "cracker", "honkey", "redneck" etc.? Do you believe in free speech?


---jerry6593 on 7/11/13


I use to feel sorry for some of the girls who had nothing. no one can understand that unless they lived it.---shira4368

How true, I was a military brat. I enjoyed living on posts. The Army was the best place for me. One really saw the make up of our societies.
All races living and working together.

I would ask my mother how she felt living in the south in the 60's? She said she knew her place. It was survival.
She claims she had a good time in the all black schools.
She didn't dwell on the bad.
But, she knows she was lucky because she as well was a military brat during her childhood.

We have come a long way.
I just wish everyone will stop living in the 60's.
It is History!
Can we live today?
---Nikki on 7/10/13


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nikki, we were military for 23 yrs and we were stationed with many blacks. I made a friend who lived down the street who worked with my husband. we would talk honestly about things and she told me when they got a change of station, they weren't allowed in motels. I felt like a dog and that should never have been. I loved her and my heart broke for her. that was in the 60's at nellis air force base. now many white people did not realize that because they never saw it. I lived it and I loved my friend. I look at black girls and they dress so pretty and trendy and I am so happy for them. I use to feel sorry for some of the girls who had nothing. no one can understand that unless they lived it.
---shira4368 on 7/10/13


MarkV, negros was accepted in the early part of the 20th century until some in the South would say the word so fast that it sounded like the N word.

So, when asked if they said the the N word, they would reply saying
"No, I called you negro."
So, that's why many blacks don't like that word Negro.
We are very sensitive to the N. Word.

Now, I am one of the those black people who get VERY UPSET when a black person calls another black person the N. word as a word of endearment.

NO one and I mean NO ONE should say the N word period!
---Nikki on 7/10/13


What, nobody likes to be called by their given name?
---Nana on 7/10/13


Nikki, we know what you like to be called, but don't you think it is different depending what part of the USA you are from? I have a friend I grew up with in Texas and he is black, and he asked me once what they called negros in California. He did not know. I told him it was ok to call them black. And he asked me if they didn't get mad been called black and I said, I didn't think so. So he had a different opinion then you. I have not been all over the country, so have no idea what they are called in other areas. It is the same with Latinos. Some like to be called Mexican Americans, some Tejanos, others, hispanics and latinos. I rather just say latino, because no one knows what country they are from.
---Mark_V. on 7/10/13


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Yes, Nikki, thanks for your input and your honesty.
---Jed on 7/9/13


wow nikki, I am glad for your input. you just confirmed what I already know. yes I love Hannity but he didn't want to offend anyone so he had to be politically correct like all of Washington. nikki, you are a special person indeed.
---shira4368 on 7/9/13


Jed: One minor correction. If we "crackers" (that's what negroes like to call us) were to adopt their naming method, we should be called European-, not French-Americans, since Africa is a continent - not a country. I think that they (the majority of negroes) are just interested remaining a victim class.
---jerry6593 on 7/9/13

Now that I think about it you are correct. Thank you. I sure wouldn't want to be called "European American" either. Not that I would get bent out of shape if someone called me that. I also agree with you about people wanting to play a victim.
---Jed on 7/9/13


Shira, you are correct. I am black and want to be called black not African American.

It was Jesse Jackson who coined the name African American without taking a poll.

Jed is also corrected //"African American" is the politically correct term//

I am going to stop saying it and only say black.
I think many people are afraid to say anything.
I think black is a safer word to use.
Never say color.

Hannity on Fox news had a special with black people last weekend. They corrected him quick at the beginning of the show when he called them African Americans
It was very interesting.

---Nikki on 7/9/13


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Jed: One minor correction. If we "crackers" (that's what negroes like to call us) were to adopt their naming method, we should be called European-, not French-Americans, since Africa is a continent - not a country. I think that they (the majority of negroes) are just interested remaining a victim class.



---jerry6593 on 7/9/13


james, I got my information from my black friends. I didn't just make this up. thanks for your input.
---shira4368 on 7/8/13


shira4368: American black citizens "African"

Just one of those stupid things that people are taught to do

If we could call them black without having everyone complain, we'd be happy to use it
---James on 7/8/13


Nikki: I have never seen any parent spank their child in public.
---Grandma on 7/8/13


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can I make a statement ? why are you calling our American black citizens "African"...? ---shira4368 on 7/8/13


Because that's what they have demanded to be called. "African American" is the politically correct term, as factually incorrect as it may be. We (Caucasians) didn't give that term to them. It doesn't make sense to me either. I don't want to be called a "French American". Some will get offended if you call them "black". I don't understand that either because they call Caucasians "white" so I see no difference. It certainly doesn't offend me to be called "white", that's what I am.
---Jed on 7/8/13


can I make a statement ? why are you calling our American black citizens "African" they are Americans and most don't want to go to Africa where no education and much poverty, most have never heard of Christ. Our citizens deserve more than that. I have black friends who do not want to be labeled African. Thanks for reading.
---shira4368 on 7/8/13


I taught in a major city in the US for 30 years. 80% of my students were African American.---Grandma on 7/6/13

That's why I wrote what I wrote:

If you were a Teacher, then I know you know did already.
If you are not a Teacher, but get out much you will still know that fact.---Nikki on 7/6/13

Why are you acting like you don't know?
You know the culture.

The only thing is that the parents are not in school spanking the kids.

I am speaking about public places beside public schools.

Are you saying you never saw a Black or Hispanic mother spank their child?
---Nikki on 7/8/13


Nikki: You are ignorant about me. I taught in a major city in the US for 30 years. 80% of my students were African American. I know what I saw, and the percentage of my students who were either in foster care, or were being reported to social services.

That's why I asked for statistics. What you see is entirely different from what I see.
---GrandmaA on 7/6/13


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Nikki: I really think you need to work on your communication skills...you misled me with your use of the word trouble.---Grandma on 7/5/13

Misled? Really?
Jed seemed to understand me quite well.
Why can't it be lack communication instead of misled.
Do you really think I am wasting my time hoping to misled you?

White mothers get mean looks and cops are called on them.
You and I both know that.
You hardly hear (if any) of Black or Hispanic women getting mean looks or getting in trouble/LEGAL issues like White women for spanking their children.

If you were a Teacher, then I know you know did already.
If you are not a Teacher, but get out much you will still know that fact.
---Nikki on 7/6/13



You said white parents get into trouble for spanking their children in public. Trouble typically would mean legal trouble... I totally understand about society's cultural expectations. But, as I said, you misled me with your use of the word trouble. ---Grandma on 7/5/13


No, you're just not understanding it. She IS talking about legal trouble, in addition to dirty looks from other observers. White people are far more likely to get into actual legal trouble for beating their children in public than black people. That's what she is saying, and it's the truth.
---Jed on 7/6/13


Nikki: I really think you need to work on your communication skills. What do you call "trouble?" You said white parents get into trouble for spanking their children in public. Trouble typically would mean legal trouble. Then, you clarify it to mean a mean look. Also you say that the cops have to witness the spanking. You clearly misled me.

Like I said, a mean look is not trouble.

I totally understand about society's cultural expectations. But, as I said, you misled me with your use of the word trouble.
---Grandma on 7/5/13


People have different expectations for behavior from White than from Black people, even if they don't realize they do. They think it's just part of the culture difference.
---Jed on 7/5/13

Thank Jed, you explained my thought better than me.

Cultures are different.
Plus, I believe White people are afraid to say anything for fear of being called racist.
---Nikki on 7/5/13


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There's a huge difference between mean looks and getting into legal trouble.---Grandma

I have seen Black mothers whip the heck out their children, even in front of cops. Nothing is done.--Nikki 7/5/13

The cop could make it a legal issue if he wanted to do so. He DIDN'T!
You call the cops when you think someone is being abused. The cop's job is to arrest someone if he WITNESS a crime.

Good Comedian makes jokes on facts. They take a known and make it funny. How would it be funny if it is fake??

I will give another example. Nuns.
Heard of jokes on how Nuns hit children and the children couldn't even tell their parents for fear of another spanking?
Comedian makes jokes about Nun's beatings as well.
---Nikki on 7/5/13


Based on the discrepancy of your two posts, I can see that you like to exaggerate, and not communicate with total honesty. There's a huge difference between mean looks and getting into legal trouble.
---Grandma on 7/5/13


But what Nikki said about White people and Black people spanking their kids wasn't an exaggeration. And what she said doesn't pertain only to dirty looks, it includes legal trouble. It's not just when it comes to spanking your kid's either. People have different expectations for behavior from White than from Black people, even if they don't realize they do. They think it's just part of the culture difference.
---Jed on 7/5/13


Nikki: "Have you noticed that some can't spank in public, but others can spank their kids?
White people seemed get into more trouble than black people when disciplining their kids."

Now that you have given a concrete example, I see you were exaggerating when you made your statement. Comedians tell funny stories to make money. PERIOD. Their stories don't have to be statistically accurate, nor do they have to be true.

Based on the discrepancy of your two posts, I can see that you like to exaggerate, and not communicate with total honesty. There's a huge difference between mean looks and getting into legal trouble.
---Grandma on 7/5/13


what research do you have that will support your allegation that race plays into this issue?---Grandma

My own eyes. No official research. I have seen Black mothers whip the heck out their children, even in front of cops. Nothing is done.

I have seen White mothers slightly hit the child and the mean looks given to her. Even when the child HITS back.

Listen to Black and Hispanics comedians talk about the difference in races spanking in public. They will have you rolling in laughter.
I guess because I am both I know the truth of it all.
They even joke about when Black or Hispanic boy are in trouble the cops only have to call their mother.
The kid begs to be locked up before having their mother called to pick them up.
---Nikki on 7/5/13


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discipline delayed
is discipline denied
---francis on 7/4/13


//Spankings are painful enough. It's not necessary to compound it with public humiliation.// Grandma

spankings, no matter how severe made me laugh. i can take a pounding. i had to act like it hurt when i would get tired of my dad trying to make it hurt. my son is the same way.

but, the real deterrent to future misbehavior was being disciplined in front of others. my son feels the same way.
---aka on 7/4/13


No child should be spanked in public.
---Grandma on 7/3/13

I disagree
---francis on 7/4/13


This is just one more example of how liberal psycho-drivel is destroying our culture. I come from a generation where spanking, both at home and at public school, was the norm. The resultant product (character) of that generation's children are as gold compared with that of the "me" generation.



---jerry6593 on 7/4/13


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No child should be spanked in public. Go home, if you can. If not, go to the restroom.

One day, my three year old grandson misbehaved, and did not heed his father's warnings to stop. He spanked him in front of me, and my daughter got upset because the rule is to discipline in private. They normally go to their bedroom, and take care of it. Spankings are painful enough. It's not necessary to compound it with public humiliation.

Nikki, what research do you have that will support your allegation that race plays into this issue?
---Grandma on 7/3/13


Debbie,

Here is what the scriptures say:
Heb12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Sometimes he spanks the fire out of us!!!

As for kids:
Proverbs23:13 Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.
Prov23:14 Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.

Your false belief is the problem with our society today!
When my daughters were young I spanked them! They are now grown and both are wonderful Christians. I never had trouble with them being disobedient as teens. I also invested a lot of time in showing them love. Kids need to know you care enough about them to give them a spanking.
---trey on 7/3/13


You can't spank him in public here, so we have these incorrigible kids in tantrums.---1st_cliff on 6/26/13

Have you noticed that some can't spank in public, but others can spank their kids?
White people seemed get into more trouble than black people when disciplining their kids.

I saw a black woman spanked her child in Walmart and no one dared said anything.
Now to her credit, the child needed the spanking, and it wasn't a bad one as my father gave me as a child. (belt and God help us if we were wet at the time)

Also maybe because she was in Alabama and the South is more tolerant in physical discipline than the North.
---Nikki on 7/1/13


I completely agree with the verses quoted by Francis. Small children may not understand adult reasoning, however they will understand, and remember a lingering welt on their behind, if, why they received it is explained.
"Don't fail to discipline your children. They won't die if you spank them." NLT
"Do not withhold discipline from a child, if you strike him with a rod, he will not die." ESV
"The rod and rebuke give wisdom, But a child left to himself brings shame to his mother." NKJV
"To discipline a child produces wisdom, but a mother is disgraced by an undisciplined child." NIV
"The rod and reproof give wisdom, But a child who gets his own way brings shame to his mother." NASB
---Josef on 6/29/13


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Spoil the child.... buy him a Hot Rod.
PS: What most parents have done to/with their children they will steal their own Hot Rod.
What does the Bible say about displineing a child?
And..... God does chastize His children which sometimes includes a hit. I've experenced it. If God doesn't chastize it is because you are not His child!!
---Elder on 6/28/13


We can argue for or against physical measures, and let this decoy our attention away from how God wants the "rod" of correction. Correction does not only stop wrong behavior, but corrects us out of bad attitudes. And love's correction in us changes us to be like Jesus . . . "as He is, so are we in this world." (in 1 John 4:17)

Hebrews 12:4-12.

So children need us to feed this example to them, first. They need to see what is right, and this can help make it more easy to see what is wrong.

Therefore > Philippians 2:14-16. They need our example (1 Peter 5:3) of how we are being corrected, ourselves! (c:
---willie_c: on 6/27/13


Just this afternoon I was in the supermarket and a boy 4 or 5 lay down on the floor kicking his feet and screaming
embarrassing his father who tried to reason with him.
You can't spank him in public here, so we have these incorrigible kids in tantrums.

This didn't happen in my day when discipline was swift and effective.
Thanks to all these "do gooders" we have a generation of brats!
---1st_cliff on 6/26/13


It takes no brain to hit a child. Use your imagination.
---Catherine on 6/25/13


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Catherine on 6/24/13: Since you would not hit a child, what WOULD you do to a child who was clearly doing things that should not be done, multiple times?

Say your 10-year old got out of his bedroom at night, took your car out and crashed it into a lamp-post? (say he managed) What would you do?
---Jessica on 6/25/13


When I told my son "this is going to hurt me more than you" he said "Ya but not in the same place"!
---1st_cliff on 6/25/13

nice
---francis on 6/25/13


When I told my son "this is going to hurt me more than you" he said "Ya but not in the same place"!
---1st_cliff on 6/25/13


I dont have kids but I have heard that a good test is. If it "hurts" (mentally) the parent more to spank the kid physically than it is a good use of force.
---Scott1 on 6/25/13


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Catherine, there is a difference between spanking a child's fatty-cushioned bottom, out of love to teach the child not to do anything again that put's them in harm's way,
as opposed to flying off the handle in anger to mercilessly beat on a child.

GOD Himself chastens HIS children.

PROVERBS 3:11-12 says, "My son (or daughter), despise not the Chastening of the LORD, neither be weary of HIS Correction. For whom the LORD loveth, HE correcteth. Even as a Father, the son (or daughter) in whom He delighteth."
---Gordon on 6/24/13


I do not care who she quoted! The Bible or Ben Franklin. Jesus Christ loves the children and He would never, ever advocate hitting a child. "Not His way". And, you don't know Scripture if you disagree with me on this one. Hallelujah!
---Catherine on 6/24/13


I can only remember being actually spanked once when I was 4, but other times I would be banned from all sorts of things, ranging from dinner to my coat at school so I'd feel cold. It worked

BUT only because FIRST my parents told me what I did wrong, and WHY it was wrong.

Now I see parents shouting at 3 year olds for getting up, or 4 year olds for playing with the video game, without saying what the problem is, or why it is wrong - I suspect they child may just have annoyed the parent.

If we are punished we MUST KNOW WHY
---Peter9556 on 6/23/13


Cluny, The "Spare the rod, spoil the child" is inspired by the Bible Verse of Proverbs 13:24 "He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes."

In other words, a switch to a child's hiney may be necessary at times.
---Gordon on 6/23/13


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Gordon on 6/23/13

I have heard about this leg breaking story, I am not sure how true that is

How many sheep leg could he break, and how many of them would he have to carry for a while while the leg is mending

I am not saying that this is not true, I have tended sheep, never had to break a leg
---francis on 6/23/13


If God's discipline is physical suffering then a parents disipline is child's physical suffering.

Rev 16:7
Job 5:17-18
Prov 20:30
Rev 3:19
Rom 11:22
Heb 10:31
Ps 141:5
1 Pet 4:17-19
Prov 22:15
Ps 23:4
1 Pet 1:6-7
James 1:2-4
Ps 119:67-76
Heb 12:11 (the rod of correction is painful)
2 Cor 12:7-10 (Paul's thorn)
Rom 5:3 (suffering from Gods discipline)

And what about a child born of a disease or is crippled?
John 9:1-3

And what about Job who lost everything and diseased?
---Steveng on 6/23/13


\\Psalm 23 has nothing to do with raising children and everything to do with raising sheep.\\

Sheep are a lot like children: noisy and smelly and dumb.

In any case, I'm talking about the use of ROD.

And, as has been pointed out, "Spare the rod and spoil the child" is nowhere in the Bible.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/23/13


Even a shepherd will break the leg of a sheep or a lamb that is prone to wander.

The shepherd will break the leg, painfully so, and set it to heal.

That way, the sheep or lamb will have to stick by the shepherd's side when going off for grazing, and will not be prone to wander off into danger.

As the lame sheep is following the shepherd, and the leg is a-mending, the sheep will have learned to be used to staying at the shepherd's side.

The Good Shepherd Yahushua has to do that for His Sheep, too.

And, I know, 'cause I'm one of them!
---Gordon on 6/23/13


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Psalm 23 has nothing to do with raising children and everything to do with raising sheep. They are different relationships, God/Man VS Parent/child and therefore do not apply to the proverbs on child rearing.

Children and sheep only have one thing in common, both have a propensity to wander, the sheep however will never throw rocks at the windows of an abandoned building for example, a Child will because it's fun to him, he's got a natural bent to commit sin and needs to be taken to task for doing so.

One thing you express that is healthy Cluny, a Godly fear of going to far in disciplining a child, I would say this is sorely lacking in some, but that's not this generations problem they've gone to a different extreme.
---Pharisee on 6/23/13


\\That's a pretty liberal interpretation of the text,\\

I'd rather sin through mercy than through rigor.

However, do you think the sheep in Psalm 23 were comforted by being beaten by the shepherd?

If you do, YOU are the one being liberal, not I.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/22/13


"Rod" here clearly means to set limits and standards. It's not talking about punishment.

That's a pretty liberal interpretation of the text, the word being used is literally a stick, and it's used in this way in the text:

Proverbs 23:14 Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.

"beat" is the Hebrew word "Nakah" and there's no other way to interpret this than a physical beating. So why would one proverb say to beat your child with the rod and the others mean something different? The Bible is in favor of corporal punishment for children.
---Pharisee on 6/22/13


My children didn't need spanked much. I just gave them "that" looked and they knew what it meant. Start raising your children the minute they are born and teach them "the rules" and they will behave.
---KarenD on 6/22/13


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Proverbs 13:24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

Proverbs 23:13 Withhold not correction from the child: for [if] thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.
Proverbs 23:14 Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.


Proverbs 29:15 The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left [to himself] bringeth his mother to shame.
---francis on 6/22/13


\\Spare the rod and spoil the child\\

This is nowhere in the Bible.

Even if it were, it should be interpreted according to Psalm 23, where it does not say, "Thy rod and thy staff, they BEAT me."

Or in Revelation, where John is given a rod and told to MEASURE the temple, not beat it.

"Rod" here clearly means to set limits and standards. It's not talking about punishment.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/22/13


Debbie_ott hos obviously not yet read Habbakuk 1:6 For, lo, I raise up the Chaldeans, [that] bitter and hasty nation, which shall march through the breadth of the land, to possess the dwellingplaces [that are] not theirs.

Habbakuk 1:7 They [are] terrible and dreadful: their judgment and their dignity shall proceed of themselves.

Habbakuk 1:8 Their horses also are swifter than the leopards, and are more fierce than the evening wolves: and their horsemen shall spread themselves, and their horsemen shall come from far, they shall fly as the eagle [that] hasteth to eat.

Habbakuk 1:9 They shall come all for violence: their faces shall sup up [as] the east wind, and they shall gather the captivity as the sand
---francis on 6/22/13


Debbie: It's better you control your child(ren) than the unloving law!---Leon on 6/22/13

AMEN!

My father always told us that the world doesn't love us, nor think we are cute as he and our family.

A 2 year old doesn't understand speech as a pat on the bottom. You can barely tap a 2 year old and they act like you killed them.
They are more upset with denial than the pain (because there wasn't any) given to them.
---Nikki on 6/22/13


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Debbie_Ott...Please read the OLD TESTAMENT. You obviously have never read it. Read about Sodom and Gomorrah as well as the FLOOD with Noah. And then in the NEW TESTAMENT there were Ananias and Sapphira. Stop listening to those television evangelists who are talking to your itching ears.
---KarenD on 6/22/13


"...from birth [children] learn how to control parents with tantrums & crying!...now, at least in [Canada], you can't administer corporal punishment!"
---1st_cliff on 6/14/13

Cliff: I thank God & then owe my parents a great debt of gratitude for "lovingly" BEATING THE DEVIL OUT OF ME when I was a child. Back then (in the '50s) it was called disciplinary action! Children knew where they stood & what was expected of them in the pecking order...Parents who spare the rod HATE their children, but parents who LOVE them discipline (CORRECT) them promptly. (Pv. 13:24)
---Leon on 6/14/13 (Source: Control A Man's Wife blog)


Debbie: It's better you control your child(ren) than the unloving law!
---Leon on 6/22/13


The Bible says (Heb 12:7-8) that if you've never gotten a spiritual spanking from God that you don't belong to him.
Hey the Bible doesn't just say spank em, it tells us to get a stick to spank them with! Proverbs 10:13, 13:24, 22:15, 23:13, 26:3, 29:15

You may hate the idea of harsh discipline, but real consequences are necessary to drive home the message that certain behaviors will not be tolerated. Foe the record I would only advise a child be spanked for outright rebellion. i.e. child playing on railroad tracks when told not to.

Pro_23:14 Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.
---Pharisee on 6/22/13


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