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Who Made Demons

Is GOD the author of Evil, as in the kind of evil that Satan inspires and is guilty of?

For example, Is GOD the author of Witchcraft, Abortion and Bestiality?

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 ---Gordon on 6/23/13
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Gordon, you now say,
"And, what HE has done is that HE has given man free-will choice to choose Eternal Life or Eternal Death."
I told you there was no passage that states what you said. If there is show me one. Just one passage where God said He gave man a free will. you say that is the Truth, if it is the Truth you should find it in the Truth. The Word of God.

Shira, is wrong, no one becomes one of the elect. The Election of God was done before times begin. Before the foundation of the world God elect certain individuals to eternal life. He did not save them, but elected them in Christ. (Eph. 1:4,5).
---Mark_V. on 7/11/13


gordon you are not understanding this. the saved are God's elect but all have a chance to be the same. Jesus died for ALL MEN to be saved. when men (and women) are born again by the Spirit of Christ, they are then His elect. I never claimed I know a lot of bible but I do know who the elect are and I also know we have the will to accept salvation or reject salvation.
---shira4368 on 7/10/13


So, one of the questions remain,

Who made the demons?

Did GOD create the demons as they are today?

Or,

Did GOD originally create all angels good, and then, some chose to rebel against GOD's Authority, and were cut off from all of GOD's Love and Goodness, thereby, leaving them with the ABSENCE OF Love and Goodness, which left them with Emptiness, Darkness, and Worthlessness, causing hate and jealousy and anger to well up inside them, making themselves more and more evil, ad infinitum?
---Gordon on 7/10/13


Shira4368, Yes, Mark V has a number of things correct. But, if one preaches to all that GOD only predestinated some for Salvation,

What hope does those unsaved have?

How can they have any Hope of possibly being saved if they're taught that only certain ones are meant to be Saved?


Yes, Mark V, "GOD will make sure HIS Elect eventually come to HIS Salvation".

But, one cannot dismiss Biblical warnings against falling away from the Faith, the dangers of Backsliding, and about the Branches that are already A PART OF the Vine (YAHUSHUA), how, if they don't produce Fruit, can dry up and be cast into the Fire.

These Verses do speak of Warnings against falling away unto Perdition.
---Gordon on 7/10/13


Gordon free will is not in your mind but its in the bible. the bible says many things but never uses the word "free will". God did choose to make man just as he has and God wants all to accept Him but many don't. that is pure bible. I don't know why doesn't markv doesn't believe that because he is on target with much but elect and free will are not two of them.
---shira4368 on 7/10/13




Mark V, Regarding your scoffing of GOD bringing up new revelation through modern Prophets,

If GOD chose to reveal to us everything that YAHUSHUA said and did while He first walked the Earth as a Man (for the Scriptures do not tell us ALL that Yahushua said and did then, as shown in JOHN 21:25!), if GOD now revealed all those previously unmentioned things to us today, would that not be "new revelation" for us, as in things of God that were never revealed before??

Of course it would be.

GOD is doing the same thing with End-Times info and understanding.

It's possible that GOD sealed up the Prophecies in Daniel's time until the Time of the End, because they only pertained to the End-Times!

THESE Times!
---Gordon on 7/10/13


No, Mark V. lol. *ay-ay-ay*

GOD does do what HE wants to do.

And, what HE has done is that HE has given man free-will choice to choose Eternal Life or Eternal Death.

And GOD honours man's choice and rewards him ACCORDINGLY, be it whether he chooses Life or Death, GOD or self and Satan.

Everything is done within GOD's Boundries that HE laid out Himself, Mark V.
---Gordon on 7/10/13


Gordon, in your humanistic mind, you created a God who cannot do what He wants to do. He can only be what you think He should be. You set yourself up as God over God setting your own rules. You then say,
"What I don't like is the denial of the truth that GOD created mankind with the free-will to accept or reject GOD's offer of Eternal Life."
The facts are that, at no time did God tell men He was giving them free will. No passage is found to that effect. It's in your mind, an idea someone who is at enmity against God thought of. You won't let it go. You do not believe in Scripture, but believe something not found in Scripture. Just like you believe in new prophets bringing new revelation to man. Just not true at all.
---Mark_V. on 7/10/13


Mark V, I accept the fact that not everyone will be saved.

What I don't like is false doctrine.

What I don't like is the denial of the truth that GOD created mankind with the free-will to accept or reject GOD's offer of Eternal Life.

According to how you believe: Since GOD made everyone, but only intended that some be Saved, then, Why did HE even create, in the first place, the ones whom HE had no intention on saving when HE knows very well that anyone who doesn't get Saved will end up in Eternal Damnation?

That would mean that GOD only created the rest of mankind, of which HE had no intention on saving, just for damning their souls for all Eternity.
---Gordon on 7/9/13


Gordon, you now say,
"If yes, then you are indirectly teaching that the rest of humanity, who were not "predestinated to be Saved", will end up perishing in Hell and in the Lake of Fire."
Gordon God saves many, and many He does not save. He created all human beings, and all human beings when born are cursed. God out of the goodness of His heart saves some, but not all. The elect were chosen by God in Christ before the foundation of the world. What you do not like, is that He doesn't save everyone. You feel that if He doesn't save everyone He is not fair. Is a person who adopts a child obligated to adopt all of them? He saved you, why are you not thankful?
---Mark_V. on 7/9/13




Gordon on - 7/7/13 - God did not create sin and evil,

Isaiah 45:7 - I form the light, and create darkness, I make peace, and create evil, I the Lord do all these things,



Judges 9:23 - Then God sent a evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Shechem, and the men of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech.
---RICHARDC on 7/8/13


Mark V, YOU believe and teach here that GOD predestinated only some people to be HIS Elect. That GOD only "predestinated" some people to be Saved.

Is that not what you believe and teach??

If yes, then you are indirectly teaching that the rest of humanity, who were not "predestinated to be Saved", will end up perishing in Hell and in the Lake of Fire. Because if one is not Saved, they WILL PERISH.

That, Mark V, is the same as saying that GOD created some people only to damn them for Eternity.

For, with that you also interpret the "vessels of Wrath" Verse of ROMANS 9:22 to mean that GOD predestined some to be "vessels of HIS Wrath", which will perish in Eternal Damnation.
---Gordon on 7/8/13


Mark V, GOD created all people.

Did HE not?

And, if GOD only predestinated some people for Salvation, as you believe, then that means HE predestinated the rest to perish in Eternal Damnation.

But a person becomes an eternal vessel of GOD's Wrath when, on this side of Eternity, they continue to rebel against GOD and refuse HIS Salvation, and they die in that condition. Dying in their sins. They THEN are become eternal vessels of GOD's Wrath.

It's not by GOD creating them just for the sole purpose of damning them so HE can "show off HIS Wrath".

Such is the false interpretation of Predestination that you adhere to. And, that's so because you deny the Truth of GOD creating mankind with free-will.
---Gordon on 7/8/13


Gordon, you say things I never said. Here you say,
"After all, you believe that GOD created some people just for the sake of damning their souls for all Eternity, and that makes even less sense" it makes less sense since you said it, I did not. Why do you not understand that Adam's sin, brought condemnation to everyone. Everyone is born in sin. That's how we are born, dead in trespasses and sin. "But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loves "us" (believers) even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ by grace you have been saved, and raised up together, and made us seat together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus ,.." (Eph. 2:4-6).
---Mark_V. on 7/8/13


Carla, again you made remarks I never made or believe in, here you say,
"Gordon true saying Mark-v has definitely not arrived because he is too wrapped up in this kind, wonderful messiah who is God Almighty whom covers all souls and gave all souls the purpose of honour."
What are you talking about? Some crazy things you think of.
Why don't you address me? Ask me or tell me what I said wrong. Anyone can write something bad about anyone. That is slander. Want to know something about me, ask me. Stop the sin.
---Mark_V. on 7/8/13


Mark V, GOD did not create sin and evil, as some get on here and teach.
---Gordon on 7/7/13


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Mark V, Lean not on your own understanding.


GOD is GOD and can test all of mankind if HE wants, even though HE already knows everything.

After all, you believe that GOD created some people just for the sake of damning their souls for all Eternity, and that makes even less sense.
---Gordon on 7/7/13


Gordon true saying Mark-v has definitely not arrived because he is too wrapped up in this kind, wonderful messiah who is God Almighty whom covers all souls and gave all souls the purpose of honour.

2Ti 2:20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth, and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
---Carla on 7/7/13


Judges 2:20_23 And the anger of the LORD was hot against Israel, and he said, Because that this people hath transgressed my covenant which I commanded their fathers, and have not hearkened unto my voice, I also will not henceforth drive out any from before them of the nations which Joshua left when he died:
That through them I may prove Israel, whether they will keep the way of the LORD to walk therein, as their fathers did keep it, or not. Therefore the LORD left those nations, without driving them out hastily, neither delivered he them into the hand of Joshua.
---Nana on 7/5/13


micha, welcome to the answers. Here you say,
"\...there would be no love of God or even love, for we have love because there is hate, no mercy...\-Mark_V. on 7/5/13
Sin cannot changed the attributes of God, for God is love(1Jo 4:8,16) and in Him is no darkness(1Jo 1:5)"

Sin does not change the nature of God. It shows us the Love of God.
How can you know the Love of God, if hate does not exist? Or what Light means, if there is no Darkness? It is light because there is such a thing as darkness. If there was no darkness, there would be no need for light.
There would be no mercy if there was no justice. Mercy would not exist, it would not be needed.
---Mark_V. on 7/6/13


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Gordon, you say,
"GOD ALLOWED sin to exist for a season, as a test for all of mankind, to see what each one will choose. Sin of Righteousness.
---Gordon on 7/5/13"

Do you not know how foolish that sounds? Why should God have to test anyone, when He already knows everything? God is Omniscient. He doesn't have to test anyone to see if they will sin or not, or what they will choose, All sin and come short of the glory of God. No one lost choses Christ. They need for God to change their hearts and disposition through the new birth.
God has to make them alive together with Christ (Eph. 2:1-20).
---Mark_V. on 7/5/13


Mark V, That does not mean that GOD "created sin and evil", as some on here have tried to preach and convince.

GOD ALLOWED sin to exist for a season, as a test for all of mankind, to see what each one will choose. Sin of Righteousness.
---Gordon on 7/5/13


\...there would be no love of God or even love, for we have love because there is hate, no mercy...\-Mark_V. on 7/5/13
Sin cannot changed the attributes of God, for God is love(1Jo 4:8,16) and in Him is no darkness(1Jo 1:5)
If there is no love without hate, that makes sin equal with God, therefore the above statements are false.
In the beginning, GOD...
---micha9344 on 7/5/13


Who is the One who says what sin is? God. Who is the One who permitted sin to enter the world? God. Who is the One who created a plan in which sin would be a part of the plan? God. If God did not permit sin to enter the world, there would be no love of God or even love, for we have love because there is hate, no mercy, and never the need for Jesus Christ to atone for our sins, no justice so there would be no hell, in fact no heaven. We would have been created here on earth, all doing good deeds forever continuing to multiply. If there was no flood for the sins of the people, there would be so many animals and humans now, all doing good deeds. No one dying, all living forever. Imagine that?
---Mark_V. on 7/5/13


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Satan is responsible for all the sin, and evil in the world. Satan will pay for every sin

But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him,
---francis on 7/4/13


2Pe3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

If God is all powerful and is not willing that any should perish, then none of his elect will perish!

Joh10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Christ is not speaking of the gospel call he is speaking of the effectual call of the Holy Spirit.

As to the topic:
1Cor14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
We are told he is holy. If God is holy then he cannot be the source of evil.
---trey on 7/4/13


Marks, I totally understand your point about the elect but I will tell you, you do not know how to convey that to the people u are talking to. I told you before you didn't explain explain it the way you believe it.
---shira4368 on 7/4/13


Shira, you say,
"They could get the idea that they weren't one of the chosen and tell himself no use for me to believe, I may not be one of the elect."
The lost already belief they are not of the elect. They cannot get more lost then they are.
A person can only love Christ, is if they are born of God.
"If God were your Father you would love Me" (John 8:42). Here is those who receive Christ and become children of God,
"But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name" now who are those? "Who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor the will of man, but of God" (John 1:12,13).
---Mark_V. on 7/4/13


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Markv, how could I possibly lead someone wrong. They could get the idea that they weren't one of the chosen and tell himself no use for me to believe, I may not be one of the elect. Markv, I ask you several times to be specific about your "election" but you have never done that. You just keep saying God knew who His elect was before the foundation of the world. That is true but God sent His Son to die for everyone.... the whole world. I know God changes His mind because He repented that he ever made man. Even satan had a choice. He chose to rebel against God. He wanted all of heaven. Do you think God would have made angels if He had known they wanted to take Gods place on the throne? This is another mystery of the bible.
---shira4368 on 7/4/13


Shira, you say,
"If Gods chosen are already here your testimony is no good because who ever is not saved will not get saved anyway. Only Gods chosen. Everything you say is triple false and you could mislead a sinner on this site."
If God's chosen are here, they need to hear the gospel Truth in order to be saved. Once they are saved they need to know how they were saved, and who gets the glory. There is no such thing as misleading a sinner, he is already misled and heading to hell unless God saves Him. The question about salvation is who gets the glory, man with his own free will for exercising it, or God who makes man alive to Christ?
---Mark_V. on 7/4/13


markv, if we His sheep hear His voice and follow Him...who are the sheep. they are the saved ones. they are the ones who have chosen to serve the Lord. God's children.
---shira4368 on 7/3/13


Mark, yes God gave us the ability to choose. When Jesus said my children hear my voice, he was not talking to sinners. Sinners are not his children. Marv, why are you on this site? If you are here to witness then its in vain. If Gods chosen are already here your testimony is no good because who ever is not saved will not get saved anyway. Only Gods chosen. Everything you say is triple false and you could mislead a sinner on this site. I will say it again. God chose the whole world.
---shira4368 on 7/3/13


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Shira, You now say,
"God gave man the ability to choose who serves Him."
Not true. Jesus said, only His sheep hear His voice and follow Him. You say everyone has the ability.
"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them. "And I give them eternal life" only His sheep know Him and follow Him.
"and they shall never perish" His sheep can never be lost.
"Neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand" No one can take them out of His hand, they have eternal life. (John 10:27,28).
Jesus said, "I am the Good Shepherd. The Good Shepherd gives His life for the sheep"
He did not give His life for the wicked only the righteous.
---Mark_V. on 7/3/13


markv, you just made my case. every person is not going to heaven. those who are saved are going. the gate to heaven is narrow and the gate to hell is wide and many will go thru that gate. God gave man the ability to choose who serves Him.
---shira4368 on 7/2/13


It just says "All."
....as far as the whole record is concerned it's meaning has to be expanded to be correct. 1 John 2:2 Start there.
---Pharisee on 7/1/13

Appreciate your being open for proof..."Truth","Gospel". It is a search.
You'll see me post Matt 10:6/15:24 for a foundation.
Heb 8:8 along with Jer 3:14/31:31 confirms the reason. Aligned with all the prophets and thousands of references.
Men deviate. GOD does not...and this is comforting to know there is a truth. Whether me or men like or accept is really pointless, except for the daily and historical damage it does and has done.
1Jhn 2:2/ is speaking of the completeness of the two houses. As do the above scriptures.
---Trav on 7/1/13


Of course God is not the author of evil. However. He permits it and also has a hand in everything good or evil.
---Catherine on 7/1/13


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Shira, If what you say is true, and Jesus died for everyone, every single person, then no one would be going to hell. Jesus would have paid the debt by keeping the law perfect for all of them. And no one would be condemned. But you are wrong. He kept the law perfect for those who believe only.
"He who believes in Him is not condemned, but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." (John 3:18). Now listen to the passage after and you will know the condition of those who do not believe,
"For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light" This is why the lost cannot come to Christ on their own free will.
---Mark_V. on 7/1/13


That All has to do a range of men as in all types

I am aware of the words that could be used to construct the phrase your saying this is, the fact remains the subject is undefined and it's not written that way, but elsewhere in the NT Matthew 13:47 for example we see a phrase written that would be what you are saying this is "Pas Genos" Literally "All types."

But the phrase you are saying has a defining subject noun is not given one. It just says "All." So no I don't believe what you say, it could be interpreted your way according to some scriptures, as far as the whole record is concerned it's meaning has to be expanded to be correct. 1 John 2:2 Start there.
---Pharisee on 7/1/13


Richard, Pharisee is correct. Christ died for the whole world. how can you not see that? the bible is so clear on this subject.
---shira4368 on 7/1/13


Shira, I know Elder from Florida. He is a good guy. I thought he was a just man of God who wanted to discuss passages in Scripture. He called the Truth, smoke and mirrows. What I presented he calls smoke and mirrows, while Marc says the Truth is from satan. If you are saved, you should be listening.
I know what most of you belief, that while condemned, heading to hell, when God tells us that no one lost seeks after God, that they can exercise their own free will and change their own minds, their own hearts, and make themselves spiritually alive to Christ, and seek after God. That a child of wrath can say, I believe in the Lord by faith, when he is condemned to hell. God says, you can do nothing without Christ. Listen to the Truth.
---Mark_V. on 7/1/13


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Pharisee ---- Will draw all men

Like what you wrote , It sounds Great but what you end up with is a feel Good Gospel , If God Wanted to saved the whole human Race, He could He's God ! And that would be fine by me, God in in Control, Not Man ! And any body who Reads the bible Know that Not going to Happen.

Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his Good pleasure,

That All has to do a range of men as in all types - I Know you probably will not believe that , But if you check around you fine it,
---RICHARDC on 6/30/13


markv, bro elder and Pharisee answered your question. no smoke screens here. both men are men of God and they know their stuff. you need to listen to them. if you don't listen then read for yourself. I respect you but you are not right about this issue. I do believe you are a brother in Christ.
---shira4368 on 6/30/13


Marc, you slandered me on another blog. You said,
"So, on Mark's demonically-inspired Good news, God WANTED sin to enter the world, and in fact, WILLS man to sin, including Adam." I never once said God willed man to sin. You slander me with your words. Adam sinned because he wanted to. "That they would sin, God already knew, for Christ was foreknown as a sacrifice for sin before the foundation of the world." ( 1 Peter 1:20).
Then say.
"No, Mark, you've got the wrong god...and his name is Satan.
Marc on 6/28/13"

What you are doing is being a mouthpiece for Satan for slandering a brother in Christ. When Peter spoke for satan, Jesus said, "Get behind Me Satan"
---Mark_V. on 6/30/13


You mean this one? And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
Who got left out?
---Pharisee on 6/30/13

On your first scriptural point.
Who got left out? Men. Men is in italics. It was not in the original. Men was added to scripture.
Certain-Men changed the intent and meaning of scripture. Much like you do, not meaning to but never the less....changed. To intent or continuing ignorance.

Joh_12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all unto me.

All is G3956. It has multiple choice meaning.

Only one reason that prophets are important for witness context of the intent.
---Trav on 6/30/13


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Elder, I thought you were a just man who was looking for the Truth like all genuine believers, but you seem to not want the Truth presented to you. You call the Truth smoke and mirrors. If you want to believe the passage is talking about, that God is waiting for all people to come to repentance, then why does He tell us He has a place reserved for the ungodly in (2 Peter 3:7)? He could not possibly be waiting for those, or maybe He forgot, and doesn't have a place for the ungodly. I suppose that is also smoke and mirrors. Thanks for your answer. At least you didn't throw the sink at me for telling you the Truth. I do leave you peace.
---Mark_V. on 6/30/13


--- his promise, ---

You mean this one? And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. Maybe it was this one, Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. Or how about this one...I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world Maybe this one: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Who got left out?
---Pharisee on 6/30/13


2 Peter 3:8 - The Lord is not slack concerning --- his promise, --- as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing any should perish but all should come to repentance.

Titus 1:1 - Paul a bondservant of God an a apostle of Jesus Christ, According to the faith of God - Elect - and the acknowledgment of the truth which accords with godliness, 1:2 - In hope eternal life which God, , who can not Lie - Promised - before time began,

( Any to perish -- > Gods Elect )

John 6:37 - All that the father gives me, will come to me, and the one who comes to me I will not case out,
---RICHARDC on 6/29/13


Mark, my question is/was if God is not willing that ANY perish why do they? You claimed that the "elect" are predetermined to be saved. If God is not willing that any perish what is it that keeps everyone from being the elect?
It is simply the freewill of man.
You issue smoke and mirrors to cloud the issue.
---Elder on 6/28/13


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Pharisee/Elder, concerning (2 Peter 3:7) "Until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men" Here the passage is saying the earth waits for the day of Judgment and destruction of ungodly men. How could God be long suffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all come to repentence when the earth is waiting for the destruction of ungodly men? I though you guys believed the word of God. The "us" in the passage and the "any" in the passage in (v.9) refers to the elect, all that make up the redeemed, since the pasages is talking about God's destroying the wicked.
Is it so hard to accept the Truth?
---Mark_V. on 6/27/13


Mark how can you say Pharisee is wrong when you misuse the word "all?" In my understanding all means all, everything, complete thing, each and eveyone no matter their status.
1. "All" is a predeterminer that deals with the whole quantity or extent of
whatever, people places or things.
2. it is the greatest possible amount of anything.
So God has never been willing that any, lost or saved, suffer loss. The whole world (all) stands guilty before God. Christ died so the whole world could be saved. Yet, some choose not to be saved.
God spoke that He is not willing that any perish so why is part of the world still lost? It is their own freewill choice!
---Elder on 6/26/13


Mark the verse you quoted says the "heavens and the earth" are preserved and reserved for fire, it says nothing about men being reserved for fire. Read it again.

Furthermore as I said if what you believe is correct (elect can't be lost) there's no reason to say what he's saying. Add to that the testimony of another scripture saying the same thing in a way that you CAN'T twist it (1 Tim 2:4 "ALL MEN") being combined with 1 John 2:2 and I would say you've built a doctrine that the apostles NEVER believed.

It's time to admit you only believe half of the truth.
---Pharisee on 6/26/13


Gordon, for your information I will write the passage down you gave,
"Do not quench the Spirit. Do not despise prophecies. Test all things, hold fast what is good. Abstain from every form of evil"
Now do those passages say a person has to believe all the prophets of today? Or any one today? Or that they should believe Elisabeth Elijah? Or Mohammad? No. It is talking about the prophecies given in Scripture. You are looking for excuses. You should hold fast what is good and you don't. The good news is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Do not quench the Spirit Gordon, hold on to the Truth with all you have within you.
---Mark_V. on 6/26/13


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But, Mark V,

GOD DID NOT CREATE CERTAIN PEOPLE ONLY FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF DAMNING THEM TO HELL.

Many of mankind will end up in Hell, but, GOD did not create them only for that end.

And, this is what you don't get.....

because you believe that man was not created with free-will.

GOD gave every soul the opportunity to receive or reject HIM.

GOD is a Free-Will GOD, and, He made man in His free-will Image.

The Bible says that the Lake of Fire was "prepared for the Devil and his angels", MATTHEW 25:41b. NOT originally for mankind, even though many people will end up there.

You need to study more, man. You have not "arrived".
---Gordon on 6/26/13


Mark V, We are to rightly divide GOD's Word. II TIMOTHY 2:15

In II PETER 3:9, those words "not willing", from "the LORD is...NOT WILLING that any should perish" means that GOD "does not desire" that any should perish.

Because GOD has made us with a free-will to choose. But, HE desires that all will make the choice for Eternal Life and NOT for Eternal Damnation.

GOD offers us the Choice
we make the our choice
and He honours our Choice by giving us what we choose.

HE forces nothing on no one.

Once a person chooses Damnation and to continue on in their sin, GOD respects their decision, and He carries out His Eternal Judgment on them just as He said He would in His Holy Word.
---Gordon on 6/26/13


Pharisee, your wrong Peter (2 Peter 3:9) is not speaking about the whole world. How could it when we read a few verses before that say, some are reserved for fire, so Peter could not be talking about every single person in the world. Here is what it says,
"But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of Judgment and perdition of ungodly men" (2 Peter 3:7). Hello? It could not mean everyone, some are perdicted for fire. 2 peter 3:9 is talking about the elect, those who will come to Christ to complete the redeemed, and those who are already in Christ.
If you were not so bias, you would know the Truth. Isn't that what matters and not who is right or who is wrong?
---Mark_V. on 6/26/13


"Is God the author of evil?" He is in control of trouble which comes to mess with people who are doing what is wrong, in order to use the trouble to resist them so they don't do worse. So, the "evil" which God brings is for their good and the good of others whom they would hurt more than they do.

"Who Made Demons" > there is "the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience," we have in Ephesians 2:2. Possibly, God made demons as vessels for containing this evil spirit in organized form. We need to not be sewer buckets of such filth, but vessels of His loving water (Romans 5:5).
---willie_c: on 6/25/13


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Amen, Pharisee!

Mark V, See? There you go again. TWISTING words.

lol *sigh* When did I ever say that "demons" stop cars??

I said "angels of GOD" can stop cars.

You don't even get the words of a mere, created human being straight.

How, then, can you be trusted with GOD's Words??

It's not the prophet Elisabeth who I follow.

I follow GOD. I also heed HIS Words that HE speaks through HIS prophet.

You don't even understand the full scope of what a prophet of GOD does. Else you wouldn't mock.

Here, imma put down some Scripture 4 ya, k?
I THESSALONIANS 5:20,

"Despise not Prophecyings."
---Gordon on 6/25/13


Mark V, When the things that GOD has spoken through prophet Elisabeth Elijah come to pass, you won't be laughing anymore.

You see, what YOU think about her is means nothing. Just by the fact that you don't even understand crucial parts of GOD's Character as revealed in the Holy Bible, so how can you possibly understand the strong meat of HIS Prophetic revelations given through HIS servant Elisabeth Elijah?

A God that creates human souls ONLY for the sole purpose of damning them??

omg. That's sick, Mark V

but, when someone is blind, they can't see how sick it is.

Sadly, when a person believes one lie, as you are doing, it only makes one spiritually open to receive more lies.

wake up.

okay?
---Gordon on 6/25/13


Mark V, When the things that GOD has spoken through prophet Elisabeth Elijah come to pass, you won't be laughing anymore.

You see, what YOU think about her means nothing. Just by the fact that you don't even understand crucial parts of GOD's Character as revealed in the Holy Bible, so how can you possibly understand the strong meat of HIS Prophetic revelations given through HIS servant Elisabeth Elijah?

A God that creates human souls ONLY for the sole purpose of damning them??

omg. That's sick, Mark V

but, when someone is blind, they can't see how sick it is.

Sadly, when a person believes one lie, as you are doing, it only makes one spiritually open to receive more lies.

wake up.

okay?
---Gordon on 6/25/13


how about putting down Scripture? ---Mark V

We put down scriptures then you twist them to mean something else. Case in point 2 Peter 3:9

"not willing that any should perish..." you say is talking about believers, well that's just idiotic if it's true because according to you and your ideas anybody that God made elect cannot perish, even in suicide, so how can this be talking about God's people? How exactly will they perish if it's not in their hands?

You see your idiotic ideas don't fit reality, you need to go and "make your calling and election sure" comon twist that one up now.
---Pharisee on 6/25/13


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Gordon, when someone like you judges me, I can only laugh. You, a person who follows the teachings of the false prophet Elisabeth Elijah. All the phonies always have a prophet around to follow. SDA's have E.G. White, Muslims have Mohammad, Mormons have John Smith, Jehovah witnesses have Charles Russell, Dividents had David Korech, the peoples temple had Jim Jones.
All you guys do is talk, how about putting down Scripture? Expose what you call a lie with the Truth if you have any at all. Show us how you gave God permission to come into your heart. All you do is show us the proud spirit you have.
You even see demons stopping cars, where will it all end? Not any time soon.
---Mark_V. on 6/25/13


That's exactly right Gordon, and while I can't argue that what he believes is entirely laughable it's not so funny that the guy and his buddies are LOST and blaspheme God all day long with false ideas about him based on half truths.

Like I said on another blog, if were made in God's image and he's pulling our puppet strings, who's pulling his? The futility of the ideas of absolute predestination are wholly abominable and defy reality. If the plumb line is crooked everything else will be as well, even to the end that God is the reprobate author of evil in his creation. Remarkably ignorant doctrine.
---Pharisee on 6/25/13


Pharisee, Mark V says that what you don't understand is that only God is God.

lol.

There is not one thing you've said that denies that GOD is the only One and true GOD.

But, because what you've said goes against Mark V's false beliefs and screwed-up thinking, he has to find some other straw-man to beat up on.

Nutz

False doctrines will do that to a person.
---Gordon on 6/24/13


//God makes the wicked, but he doesn't make them wicked. God can sanction temptation according to his sovereignty, but he tempts no man.
---Pharisee on 6/24/13

nicely stated.
---Scott1 on 6/24/13


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Christan, You said "God created those wicked to do evil. It says so in the Bible".

You attempt to support this with Proverbs 16:4 and John 1:3.

But those Verses are not saying that GOD created Satan as evil.

When GOD created Satan, Satan was "Lucifer", a good and holy angel.

UNTIL the day when iniquity WAS FOUND in him, EZEKIEL 28:15.

GOD created Lucifer, a good, holy angel, until the day Lucifer chose to rebel against GOD. Then he became "Satan", an evil fallen angel.

The lies of "mankind without fre-will", and of "GOD creating some of mankind ONLY for damning them" prevents has warped your understanding.

You are deceived by those lies.
---Gordon on 6/24/13


Pharisee, You said the truth plainly.

Those who think they see shall have their sight taken away. The blind leading the blind. MATTHEW 15:14 and JOHN 9:41.

Truth stands on it's own.


And, Wisdom is justified by Her children. LUKE 7:35
---Gordon on 6/24/13


God is not a doubleminded whimsical agent of misapplied justice, God is HOLY.

Perfectly benevolent, singular in purpose in relation to all creation, he upholds it and sustains it, he invests only his absolute best, if he is not this way he is duplicitous and his people are MORE graceful being yet commanded to LOVE THEIR ENEMIES and they DO IT, some would have us believe God is less gracious than his creatures, this is a VERY poor and reprobate view of God.

Ecclesiastes 3:14 PROVES evil is not God's work in any way because it will end. If God did it it would NEVER end in his creation. God makes the wicked, but he doesn't make them wicked. God can sanction temptation according to his sovereignty, but he tempts no man.
---Pharisee on 6/24/13


Pharisee, what you don't grasp is that God is God. No one else is God. If anything in creation came into existence without God permitting it and allowing it, that one thing would be more powerful then God. The devil and demons are there by permission of God.
God had women and children slaughtered, was that an evil act? How about the death of Christ?
"For a truth in this city against Thy holy servent Jesus, whom Thou didst anoint, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, and the Gentiles and the people of Israel, were gathered together, "to do whatsoever Thy hand and Thy counsel foreordained to come to pass" (Acts 4:27,28). Even the death of God's Son, God ordained. God ordained the evil man to do what they did.
---Mark_V. on 6/24/13


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"Is GOD the author of Evil, as in the kind of evil that Satan inspires and is guilty of?" No.
Although Father allows, disallows and even dispatches evil, He is not it's author.
Examples: Satan said "stretch out Your hand now, and touch his bone and his flesh, and he will surely curse You to Your face!" Father allows " "Behold, he is in your hand," Then disallows "but spare his life." Job 2:5,6 Father dispatches, (which I believe would have been a better translation of the word "bara" in Isa. 45:7, translated as such in Eze 23:47) Example: 1 Kings Chapter 22 Note specifically verses 18-23
---Josef on 6/24/13


What's so hard to believe that God created these wicked to do evil? It says so in the Bible.
christan

God is Holy, Holy doesn't do evil or perpetuate evil. The "wicked" were not wicked until they chose it, but God uses even this to bring about his purposes. Why can't you believe God is not double minded but singular in purpose and action. Altogether benevolent, even to the end of allowing rebellion.

What you don't grasp is that God allows choice, but even choice cannot overcome his sovereignty, the demonstration of his power in this is so much greater then what you think is going on. The Bible contains simplified language and you haven't properly discerned it.
---Pharisee on 6/23/13


God, Satan and Evil do not exist..., But if God created Satan and Evil, then he would have quite a sadistic streak, now wouldn't he. Fortunately for us he does not exist and we have only to deal with the natural calamities of this world, and those we make ourselves.
---atheist on 6/23/13


I believe Satan and demons are fallen angels who used their free will to turn to evil. If they did not exist it would make human free will very meaningless, having no temptations. But a lot of the answer will come at the end time.
---Geraldine on 6/23/13


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"The Lord hath MADE ALL THINGS for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil." Proverbs 16:4

The declaration is explicit. It's clear as daylight that satan and his cohorts are creatures of God. To say that God didn't create them, then there must exist somewhere out there another god. If that's true than Solomon was a liar and so too was God.

The "made all things" are without exception as it speaks of the creation of God, and there's only One God the creator. John even declared, "All things were made by Him, and without Him was not any thing made that was made."

What's so hard to believe that God created these wicked to do evil? It says so in the Bible.
---christan on 6/23/13


First, if Satan inspires evil, how can God be its author?

Next, you sure are linking an odd assortment of things here.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/23/13


Gordon, There's only one word in answer to that question.....NO!
---1st_cliff on 6/23/13


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