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Properly Obeying God

When we know God wants us to do something, and we do it "adequately", is that enough? Is going beyond adequate about seeking personal glory and reward?

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francis, you are promoting heretical views as always. There is no Truth in you. All your work is for nothing. When you are saved by God, you will know the real Jesus Christ, who is God. Until then, you have no Truth to provide. You can keep promoting the Law, the unbelievers do that all the time, because they have no clue who the Spirit of the Law is. And let me say, He is not an archangel.
---Mark_V. on 7/12/13


francis calls mark an idiot
mark calls francis a heretic
is this "Christian" net?
---michael_e on 7/12/13


--Mark_V. on 7/11/13

Pay attention
5 days before you posted I posted this:
They had a time limited 70 weeks it is up
---francis on 7/5/13

Five days later you posted
francis
the 70 weeks is up already.
---Mark_V. on 7/9/13

So for that you are an IDIOT

Now you post this:
you are a heretic because Jesus is not Michael the archangel.
---Mark_V. on 7/11/13

Well Jesus is Michael.
And you are a Calvinist, and calvin did teach that Jesus is Micahel, which makes you a BIG IDIOT
---francis on 7/11/13


heretic francis, you are not listening. I just said,
"There is no need for anyone to call someone names for talking about the 70 weeks as francis does. All he had to do was to say, "I agree the 70 weeks is up."" It is not something that should separate any genuine Christians."
But you were in a hurry to condemn me calling me an idiot as usual. All you had to do was respond to my answer kindly, and said, "I was agreeing that 70 weeks is up" instead you called me a idiot as usual. I stopped calling you a heretic, but will continue calling you one until you stop calling me names. And rightly so, you are a heretic because Jesus is not Michael the archangel. Never was, and never will be.
---Mark_V. on 7/11/13


To know what He wants you to do you must first find where you are in His plan.

1 Cor 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord

1 Cor 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
---michael_e on 7/11/13




Dear MarkV

I am Premillennial, post Tribulationist. You are correct many today are dispensationalist but I follow covenant understanding. But you know already that the Covenant school has variations in it.

Note this document: The Third Use of the Law: An Assessment of Reformed

faculty.samford.edu

the Ten Commandments in Calvin and key Reformed confessional documents, ... by John Calvin's discussion of the Ten Commandments, especially in his.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/11/13


Mark_V. on 7/11/13
You but what you do not yet get, is that this is not what I am posting about.

I was never posting about is Amillennialism, is Anamillennialism, premillennialism.

Why have you never gone back to my original post, and see what I was posting about?

You thus far has assumed that i was posting abot the 70 weks to say that there was one week left, but I am not.

This was just one of four statements in my post to support my view, which to this moment you do not know
---francis on 7/11/13


Samuel, if you agree the 70 weeks is up, that is great, if not that is also great. There is no need for anyone to call someone names for talking about the 70 weeks as francis does. All he had to do was to say, "I agree the 70 weeks is up." It is not something that should separate any genuine Christians. Too many great pastors believe in one or the other. My eschatological view is Amillennialism. Dispensationalism is the most popular today due to the Left Behind movies and many pastors who now teach it. What is your view Samuel?
---Mark_V. on 7/11/13


I am confused. Mark V you Francis and I also seem to agree the 70 weeks is up. So what is the disagreement?
---Samuelbb7 on 7/10/13
There is none, except he has no clue what I am posting about
---francis on 7/10/13


I am confused. Mark V you Francis and I also seem to agree the 70 weeks is up. So what is the disagreement?
---Samuelbb7 on 7/10/13




You give 70weeks, and I say the 70 weeks is up. ---Mark_V. on 7/10/13


francis, the 70 weeks is up already.
---Mark_V. on 7/9/13
IDIOT
1: They had a time limited 70 weeks it is up
---francis on 7/5/13

You have no clue what I was posting about
---francis on 7/9/13
Did you not see that 5 days before you posted (not knowing what I am posting about, yu still do not know what I am posting about,)
I posted that the 70 weeks were up?

What do you think my posts are about?
---francis on 7/10/13


Heretic francis, you have no idea what you are talking about either. You give 70weeks, and I say the 70 weeks is up. Give you an example and you trash it. Good for you, you do that all the time. Bye for now.
---Mark_V. on 7/10/13


francis, the 70 weeks is up already. Do you not understand that it is illogical to insert a 2,000 year gap between the 69th and 70th week?
---Mark_V. on 7/9/13
IDIOT
1: They had a time limited 70 weeks it is up
---francis on 7/5/13

You have no clue what I was posting about
---francis on 7/9/13


francis, the 70 weeks is up already. Do you not understand that it is illogical to insert a 2,000 year gap between the 69th and 70th week? No hint of a gap is found in the prophecy itself. There is no gap between the first seven weeks and the following sixty two weeks, so why insert one between the 69th and 70th week? not logical.
Here is an example,
If you told you son to be in bed in 60 minutes, wouldn't that mean 60 minutes? And if your son told you five hours later, but dad, I know 59 minute have passed, but the last minute hasn't started yet would that be logical? That is what many of you are doing. Making your own rules.
---Mark_V. on 7/9/13


Francis, I know what you are posting about.
And there is no more "fleshly Israel". They either need to accept Jesus,or they die in their sins.
---g on 7/7/13

NOPE not even close

God has interrupted His dealing with the Israel as a nation.
--michael_e on 7/4/13

Not true at all, that is fantasy
1: God set aside 70 weeks for Israel only
2: God established a new covenant with Israel and Judah
3: God grafted Gentiles into Israel
4: Most important, there is NOTHING stopping any and all of Israel from turning to God
---francis on 7/4/13
---francis on 7/8/13


g, you say as your answer to my question, "what do you mean fleshly Israelites?" and you say,
"I mean the first Christians were from the blood line of Abraham. Some did accept the truth from Christ when he preached.
who do you think the disciples were, MarkV?"
You used the word flesh Israelites. Now you say the one's saved were the disciples. The disciples were not of the flesh of Abraham, they were of the promise.
A group of Jews also said to Jesus that Abraham was their father, Jesus denied they were when He said,
"If you were Abraham's children, you would do the works of Abraham" (John 8:39) Jesus was saying that Abraham was not their father, but the devil was their father.
---Mark_V. on 7/8/13


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g, I don't understand what you are saying concerning the bloodline. the bloodline follows all thru from genesis til Jesus defeated death, hell and the grave. satan tried to destroy the bloodline of Christ. the bloodline isn't relavent for others and if it is I don't know it. show me in the bible what you mean.
---shira4368 on 7/8/13


I mean the first Christians were from the blood line of Abraham. Some did accept the truth from Christ when he preached.
who do you think the disciples were, MarkV?

They were just that.

Francis, I know what you are posting about.
And there is no more "fleshly Israel". They either need to accept Jesus,or they die in their sins.
The time of the physical temple has past. It past when Christ die on the Cross.
---g on 7/7/13


g, I agree almost all prophecies have been fulfilled. But have no clue what you mean by saying,
"The first Christians were fleshly Israelites."
what do you mean by fleshly Isralites? Do you mean they were human beings? That those in the flesh can enter heaven? When you use the word flesh, you need to use it correctly. All flesh will die. It does not enter heaven. Abraham's descendants in the flesh are not of the promise. Only those in the Spirit, of the promise enter heaven. Everyone else is lost. All those who died already are lost, who denied the Lord. Only the remnant of God makes it into the kingdom of God.
---Mark_V. on 7/7/13


---g on 7/6/13
Do you even know what I am posting about?
---francis on 7/6/13


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1: They had a time limited 70 weeks it is up
Francis

In 70 ad, the temple in Jerusalem was destroyed for the last time. Historically accurate and recorded.
There will be no more fleshly temples.
We who accept and believe Christ have his spirit in us and we are the temple now.

You should read your history books Francis and you would know that this was fulfilled.

MarkV,

The first Christians were fleshly Israelites. They are the 144,000 that Revelations speaks about. The first converted by Christ when He walked the earth.

People need to pay attention to history as a whole because most if not all prophecies in the OT were fulfilled.
---g on 7/6/13


Hasn't happened.
---michael_e on 7/6/13
Wrong
There are christian from all five continents
There are Christians of almost every language
There are Christians from every country
---francis on 7/6/13


Zech 2:11 many nations SHALL..
Zech 8:22 many people and strong nations SHALL..
Isaiah 60:3 And the Gentiles SHALL..
Malachi 1:11 For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name SHALL..
Hasn't happened.
---michael_e on 7/6/13


---michael_e on 7/5/13
Isaiah 62:2 the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.

NO MYSTERY

Zech 2:11 many nations shall be joined to the LORD in that day, and shall be my people:

Zech 8:22 many people and strong nations shall come to seek the LORD of hosts in Jerusalem, and to pray before the LORD.

Isaiah 60:3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.

Malachi 1:11 For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles,

If you are studying, the gentiles and Israel coming to gather as one is no mystery
---francis on 7/5/13


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Covenantalists are right that the New Testament will fulfill the Old Testament promises and prophecies, but they are wrong that we need to alter the original prophetic meaning for it to do so.

The necessary division for proper interpretation of the Bible is not between the Old Testament and the New, as if one was for Israel and the other for the Church. Neither testament speaks to the mystery of the Church, the Body of Christ.

The most important division to make is between both testaments (subjects of prophecy to Israel) and the Church (the subject of the mystery).
---michael_e on 7/5/13


Dear MarkV I find myself in agreement with you.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/5/13
Samuel that is funny

before you go on, here is the post to which I responded, with with Mark_V disagrees:

God has interrupted His dealing with the Israel as a nation.
--michael_e on 7/4/13

Interrupted means that some day, God will turn to the nation of Israel again

I disagree with that for the 4 reason I gave
Mark_V never knew the question
---francis on 7/5/13


francis, your answers are wrong.
---Mark_V. on 7/5/13
LOL \o/ my answers are right

you just do not know what the questions are
---francis on 7/5/13


Dear MarkV I find myself in agreement with you.

So do you believe in the Post Tribulation rapture?
---Samuelbb7 on 7/5/13


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francis, your answers are wrong. Only those who believe in pri-trip wait for the 70th week. The weeks are up. And Israel as a nation will never be saved. Those who died in their sins are dead already, they get no second chance. "And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this, the judgment" Heb. 9:27). Also, Israel as a nation will never be saved, for those of Abraham in the flesh there is no salvation. Only those of the Spirit, the promised. Israel has rejected the Covenant. Only some individuals who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ will be saved. The rest are going to hell. There is only one way into Heaven, Jesus Christ. He is the way.
---Mark_V. on 7/5/13


---Mark_V. on 7/5/13
what interupted God's plan for israel?

NOTHING!!

1: They had a time limited 70 weeks it is up
2: When Jesus established the new covenant, the 70 weeks were not yet up, israel could have accepted it AS A NATION
3: 3: God grafted Gentiles into Israel" The Israel of God is not in the flesh (1 Cor. 10:18). "the Israel of God" (Gal. 6:16) is made up of Jewish people and Gentiles who believe in the Messiah. The spiritual Israel
4: Most important, there is NOTHING stopping any and all of Israel from turning to God
( you say that millions of JEWS have died and that stopped them) Laughable.
---francis on 7/5/13


francis, you case is false concerning Israel. You give,
"1: God set aside 70 weeks for Israel only" 70 weeks is up.

"2: God established a new covenant with Israel and Judah" Israel rejected the covenant (Acts 13:46).

"3: God grafted Gentiles into Israel" The Israel of God is not in the flesh (1 Cor. 10:18). "the Israel of God" (Gal. 6:16) is made up of Jewish people and Gentiles who believe in the Messiah. The spiritual Israel

"4: Most important, there is NOTHING stopping any and all of Israel from turning to God" Not true, millions upon millions have already died in their sins and many more will in the future.
---Mark_V. on 7/5/13


Millions of the descendants of Abraham are not of the promise, they are of Ishmael.Mark_V. on 7/4/13


So Markv, the PROMISE was Christ, and it is the PROMISE of the Spirit. Hebrews 11 at the end say OT saints died WITHOUT receiving the PROMISE, that is promise of the Spirit, YET they are in heaven with Christ now, the spirits of Just men made Perfect.

You also say no descendent of Ishmael can be saved or can receive "the Promise of Christ's sacrifice"?

Paul clearly tells us in Galatians , SO THAT "THE PROMISE OF THE SPIRIT" CAN COME TO THE GENTILES.

So there's Jews, Gentiles, AND what? Who exactly are Ishmael's descendants? Space aliens?

SUCH IGNORANCE you spout here Markv.
---kathr4453 on 7/5/13


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Acts 13:22-24

22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king, to whom also he gave their testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will.

23 Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:


The PTOMISE was the SEED, ( CHRIST)first promised in Genesis 3:15, then re-iterated to Abraham thru Isaac, then Jacob then David.

So markv, Paul tells us clearly NO TO MANY SEEDS, but ONE SEED that is Christ.

So this PROMISED SEED is Christ dear, not YOU!
---kathr4453 on 7/5/13


We, as the body of Christ, have a different function in God's plan and purpose and that is not the same as Israel's function.
---michael_e on 7/4/13
not true at all


Isaiah 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth

Acts 13:47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.
---francis on 7/4/13


God has interrupted His dealing with the Israel as a nation.
--michael_e on 7/4/13

Not true at all, that is fantasy
1: God set aside 70 weeks for Israel only
2: God established a new covenant with Israel and Judah
3: God grafted Gentiles into Israel
4: Most important, there is NOTHING stopping any and all of Israel from turning to God
---francis on 7/4/13


Most are aware that God is forming the body of Christ today but are unaware that God has interrupted His dealing with the Israel as a nation.

We, as the body of Christ, have a different function in God's plan and purpose and that is not the same as Israel's function.

We need to acknowledge what God has promised to the nation of Israel does not necessarily apply to the Body of Christ.

Are you doing what you have been instructed to do as a member of the body of Christ or are you trying to do someone else's job?

---michael_e on 7/4/13


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seg, I wasn't speaking about you in particular but I was talking about Gods people who disobey Him. I think you know what I'm saying. Do you believe God's children can sin and not go unpunished?
---shira4368 on 7/4/13


I know God will punish us.
shira4368

There is one of only two things that are going to happen.
And only one of them is the punishment.
So what are you trying to say with the word "us"?

Mat 12:30 He that is not with me is against me, and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

But getting back to Jonah!
//when God's children do wrong or don't obey, they will get punished.//
So you believe Jonah is in hell and not forgiven?
I'm asking, because you said "they will get punished."
Peace
---TheSeg on 7/4/13


Seg, Jonah was running from God. God called him to preach the gospel and he didn't want to for whatever reason. I know God will punish us. After all we belong to God.
---shira4368 on 7/4/13


shira4368
But Jonah rose up to flee unto Tarshish from the presence of the LORD, and went down to Joppa, and he found a ship going to Tarshish: so he paid the fare thereof, and went down into it, to go with them unto Tarshish from the presence of the LORD.

//when God's children do wrong or don't obey, they will get punished.//
What was Jonah punishment? To see all of Nineveh, praising the name of the lord?

Moreover, bear in mind!
//when God's children do wrong or don't obey, they will get punished.//
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
---TheSeg on 7/4/13


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Kathr, The nation as a whole was given many promises. Those who obey are the remnant of God. Only those who believed by faith are of the promise. Abraham had two children, one of the promise the other of the flesh. Millions of the descendants of Abraham are not of the promise, they are of Ishmael. Have you ever read, "That which is born of the flesh is flesh" (John 3:6)? And "That which is born of the Spirit is spirit" The question for everyone is,
"Is the life that is within you the result of the fermentation of your own natural desires?" Or "is it a new element, infused, imparted, implanted from above?" Is your spiritual life a heavenly creation? that is the question.
---Mark_V. on 7/4/13


Markv, I see God gave Israel the Promise Land, and gave that promise to Abraham. Yet I also see many whom were given that promise did not enter. Was that God's fault or man's fault?

Yet God is God Markv, regardless of our obedienceor disobedience. Man's disobedience does not diminish God one iota. My God is bigger and more powerful than man's disobedience. My God does not depend on man's obedience to be GOD. Your's does.....do you know that. Your god can't do anymore than you can with your paper dolls.
---kathr4453 on 7/3/13


Jonah believed God and it was counted unto him as righteousness. Jonah was a Christian and God called him to preach. when you belong to God and He calls you for whatever ministry He wants you to have, we must do it. when God's children do wrong or don't obey, they will get punished. I think I have had some of that in my life.
---shira4368 on 7/3/13


Kathr, of course you disagree everything I say when it comes to God. I understand that already. What you forget is that God is God, and when He wants something done, it is done. Not because He is working through time, but because the whole plan of God is complete before Him. He knows the beginning and the end of all things. He created the plan. Nothing in time can change what He already sees as the end of all things. God is much bigger then you. But you do not see God in that way. you see a God who works through time, doing what man tell Him what He can do. You believe man designs his own destiny. It is a theology of Man not of God.
---Mark_V. on 7/3/13


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Here's the bottom line. Philippians 2 is our obedience. Keeping this mind in you that was also in Christ Jesus....becoming obedient unto death. THIS is our obedience too. This is what we are called to,to be conformed to His Death, Philippians 3, therefore to ask, can one do it adequately is an interesting question.

You can't seek any personal glory while obeying this part of our Christian life. It's God who will exalt/reward one based solely on our willingness to totally surrender, living the crucified life, where the result is that it is no longer I but Christ in us the hope of Glory.

Seeking any personal glory is all flesh, wood hay and stubble that will burn.

as He WAS in this world, so are we..the suffering church.
---kathr4453 on 7/2/13


Many regret not obeying God when they were told not to do something, or didn't do something they were told/asked to do, but refused out of their own pride or fear.

Those promised the Promised Land were not forced in , even though the land was theirs God had already given them. THEY KNEW it was theirs. Even then God didn't force it on them.

God did force His will on Jonah, being a prophet of God. Johan knew it was God's will, but just outright refused to obey and ran away, until God had to severely discipline Jonah in order to make Jonah willing to obey. Yet we see Jonah even to the very end had a rotten attitude. But being forced to obey is not the norm we see in scripture. Usually the consequences of not obeying are.
---kathr4453 on 7/2/13


Sometimes people think that God is telling them to do something and they don't do it, it is because it was not God telling to do it, otherwise they would do it.
---Mark_V. on 6/30/13
example Jonah
---francis on 7/1/13


God's people have what we call discernment. But it takes sometimes years to get good at it.
---Catherine on 7/1/13


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Sometimes people think that God is telling them to do something and they don't do it, it is because it was not God telling to do it, otherwise they would do it.

---Mark_V. on 6/30/13


I totally disagree. Let's reverse here.

God did not tell Peter to play the hypocrite in Galatia, yet Peter did of his own free will, and Paul rebuked him. Nor did God tell David to commit adultery with Bathsheba. Yet again Davis a SAVED apple of God's eye man, SINNED against God out of David's own free will, and suffered great consequences for THOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTRY THOU SHALL NOT MURDER, that was not some obscure do and don't.
---kathr4453 on 7/1/13


When one does something from the heart, with gunuine love, God is satisfied.

Most people, including most christians, do things from the head only because they have to do what the law says.

This differentiates between a waitress/waiter who does his or her job because

1) they are told by the boss what is to be done, therefore serving the boss or

2) they do their job to bring glory to God and, in turn, satisfies the boss.
---Steveng on 6/30/13


2 Samuel 22:21 The LORD rewarded me according to my righteousness: according to the cleanness of my hands hath he recompensed me.

so what about this one?
---francis on 6/30/13


Geraldine, When God wants you to do something for His glory, you will do it.
"But He is in one mind, and who can turn Him? And what His soul desireth, even that He doeth" (Job 23:13). No matter what the person tries to devise in his brain to do, we are told,
"A man's heart deviseth his way: But the Lord derecteth his steps" (Psa. 31:15). And if a person does more, it does not mean he is seeking personal glory or a reward.
"For in Him, and through Him, and to Him, are all things: to whom be glory forever, Amen" (Rom. 11:36)
Sometimes people think that God is telling them to do something and they don't do it, it is because it was not God telling to do it, otherwise they would do it.
---Mark_V. on 6/30/13


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Luke 18:22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

Luke 18:28 Then Peter said, Lo, we have left all, and followed thee.

Is pater making a case that he had left all he had to follow God and thus should be rewarded with heaven

It peter going beyond adequate about seeking personal glory and reward?
---francis on 6/29/13


Now in light of the blog question: When we know God wants us to do something, and we do it "adequately", is that enough? Is going beyond adequate about seeking personal glory and reward?can we consider this

Nehemiah 13:14 Remember me, O my God, concerning this, and wipe not out my good deeds that I have done for the house of my God, and for the offices thereof.

Nehemiah 13:22 And I commanded the Levites that they should cleanse themselves, and [that] they should come and keep the gates, to sanctify the sabbath day. Remember me, O my God, concerning this also, and spare me according to the greatness of thy mercy.

Was this wrong of Nehemiah
---francis on 6/29/13


francis, you say,
"But once we accept Christ, God then allows hrist ( the spirit of Christ) to live in our hearts by faith"
You do not accept Christ. God has to make you alive together with Christ in order for you to believe. It is not by accepting that you are made alive, you are made alive by the grace of God, in order that you even love Him. He does not ask permission. Your still on your theory that God is knocking at a persons heart, when He was knocking at the church in Laoicea. I told you, He is not a Jehovah Witness hoping you let Him in. No such passage.
Read Ephesians 2:1-20) You will know where you were, what you were doing while lost, and how God made you alive together with Christ and saved you by Grace.
---Mark_V. on 6/29/13


We are saved by Grace alone. But Grace works in us by the power of the HOLY SPIRIT to not just justify us but to transform us. When we are Born again we stop running from JESUS and start running towards Him. This Sanctification or as some say Saintification is going on as long as we live. It will only be completed when JESUS comes to take us home.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/28/13


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Now in light of the blog question, can we consider this

Nehemiah 13:14 Remember me, O my God, concerning this, and wipe not out my good deeds that I have done for the house of my God, and for the offices thereof.

Nehemiah 13:22 And I commanded the Levites that they should cleanse themselves, and [that] they should come and keep the gates, to sanctify the sabbath day. Remember me, O my God, concerning this also, and spare me according to the greatness of thy mercy.
---francis on 6/28/13


Thanks Francis. Now that straight answer didn't hurt a bit, did it?
---Warwick on 6/28/13


francis on 6/28/13

In order for anyone to be saved by the law, he would have had to keep the law operfectly from his birth to his death

No human ( except jesus) has done that

But once we accept Christ, God then allows hrist ( the spirit of Christ) to live in our hearts by faith

Having the spirit of God live in us, we are then able to overcome all manner of sin

Ephesians 3:16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to BE STRENGTHENED WITH MIGHT BY HIS SPIRIT in the inner man,
That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith

Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
---francis on 6/28/13


Please give a straight answer to these questions.
---Warwick on 6/28/13
GRACE ALONE, and FAITH OF JESUS ALONE
---francis on 6/28/13


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Francis you have avoided answering my question. I know that after we have been saved there are works for us to do, as James explains. But these works are not what saved us in the first place.

So I ask are we saved by the grace of God, through faith, not works, as per Ephesians 2:8,9.

Or are we saved by the grace of God through faith and obedience to the 10 Commandments?

Please give a straight answer to these questions.
---Warwick on 6/28/13


Grandma, thank you so much for the reminder that NOTHING can separate us from the love of God! What a comfort in times of trial. The Romans 8 passage is so reassuring.
---Geraldine on 6/27/13


Is going beyond adequate about seeking personal glory and reward?
---Geraldine on 6/25/13
let me submit this for discusion:
Nehemiah 13:14 Remember me, O my God, concerning this, and wipe not out my good deeds that I have done for the house of my God, and for the offices thereof.

Nehemiah 13:22 And I commanded the Levites that they should cleanse themselves, and [that] they should come and keep the gates, to sanctify the sabbath day. Remember me, O my God, concerning this also, and spare me according to the greatness of thy mercy.
---francis on 6/27/13


Geraldine, I've learned that the more I am in God's Word, and praying for Him to speak to me, and through me, I have a better sensitivity to the prompting, and conviction, or the Holy Spirit. God does communicate with us, guiding, urging, nudging us toward Holiness.

I'm also glad that Cluny ministered to you with his sweet words. A former pastor used to start his sermons with the word,"Beloved." That word took a while to sink in. We are God's beloved children. He loves us with an unending love. Romans 8:38-39 has comforted me, because my efforts in obedience may not be 100% perfect, but those verses comfort me that NOTHING can separate me from God's love. The Holy Spirit will guide me the rest of the way.
---Grandma on 6/27/13


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He wants you to clean your place where you live.

He wants you to pray.

He wants you to love another person.

Cleaning can be done adequately.

Praying needs to be done well, with trusting and in love with God.

Loving another . . . do you want to love someone "adequately"?

But we're not perfect. So, we trust You, Father, to have us grow in character of Your love, with Your creativity to do what You have us doing in Your joy and caring.

"Let all that you do be done with love." (1 Corinthians 16:14) Does God's love have us doing things "adequately"? Grow more (c:
---willie_c: on 6/27/13


My pleasure, Geraldine.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/26/13


Cluny, one more important thing. The "dear soul" you added to your advice to relax has somehow pulled me out of a darkness I have been struggling with many years. Suddenly I do believe that I, as each other human being, am a soul dear to God. Bless you for that gift to me.
---Geraldine on 6/26/13


In response to the blog question, it's never enough to do something adequately. After doing things adequately for too long, we fall into spiritual contentment. God calls us to always strive to grasp for more, to always grow in our understanding and character. To always do something adequately is to become spiritually lethargic, and God most certainly does not call us to laziness.
---A_servant on 6/26/13


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Cluny, I guess I was making a difference between "adequate" action and "type" of action for God. Both do sound desperate. It is becoming clear to me that my problem is TRUST that God is leading my effort. Maybe if I relax, as you suggest, trust will happen. Here goes.
---Geraldine on 6/25/13


Never seek glory for yourself. We are nothing without Him. Rewards, come on heaven.
---Catherine on 6/25/13


Geraldine, do you remember a blog you started that got entitled HOW TO OBEY GOD?

You asked a similar question there:

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How To Obey God

I've been stressed thinking there is only one right way to do anything, and I'll probably do it wrong, but is there a Bible verse saying there is more than one right way to do a thing and still please and obey God?\\

RELAX, dear soul.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/25/13


Geraldine, the question of even knowing what God wants is a message we receive, and we can even start to do that without God's assistance.

Even the question of what is 'adequately' is a difficult question. If God himself showed it to us, He will also guide us, often in ways that we will realise later, how we should obey.

As Cluny pointed out, it is the obedience God cares about, not how well we manage.

Of course, God might enable you to do better than you thought you could
---Peter9556 on 6/25/13


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Geraldine...Who decides what is adequate? You?
---KarenD on 6/25/13


Thank you doctor Cluny! Yes, I am constantly pressing to be exact. These suggestions are helpful and calming.
---Geraldine on 6/25/13


Geraldine, your spiritual OCD--scrupulosity--is showing.

Did you not ask a similar question just a few weeks ago?

NO mere mortal can do anything for God perfectly, nor has it ever been done.

As St. John Chrysostom preached, "God rewards the effort, and praises the intention."

Commit your day's efforts to heaven--and then LEAVE them there.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/25/13


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