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Do You Love Jesus

Is it possible for someone to believe in Jesus and not love him? Can that type of belief result in salvation? James said the devils believe and tremble, but there's no opportunity for mercy with them, but to man he has promised clemency for belief. WHAT SAY YE?

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markv, I don't take anything anyone says personal. when Jesus says behold I stand at the door and knock I believe that is what He does. you seem to take everything and make it into what you perceive is the truth.
---shira4368 on 7/24/13


Shira, you are talking this personal. My answer is from Scripture to show you that Jesus does no knock at the door of anyone's hearts. That is a language that is use to support free will, that you have to let Him in. That is shear nonsense. You do not have to take me to where God found you lost. He seeked you and He found you if you are saved. He knew where you would be and had prepared you for a spiritual awakening. He never misses His mission. Praise be to God. The real Jesus of the Bible never fails to save someone.
---Mark_V. on 7/24/13


markv, I was a sinner when I responded to the Holy Spirit. scriptures have one meaning but many applications. that is how God meant for the bible. don't ever think I am not saved. I can take you to the place where the Lord saved me. I remember walking on air forever. sometimes I still do. I don't have to wait til judgement day to find out if I am saved. I know now.
---shira4368 on 7/23/13


Christ cannot enter the church until the deacon wakes up from sleep and opens the door. So Christ is locked out and he is knocking, maybe the deaconess or the usher will let him into the church

But your herats, he just enters at will, no asking, no knocking

did I get that right mark_V?
---francis on 7/23/13


Shira, (Rev. 3:20) is not saying that Jesus is knocking at the door of our hearts, and if you are kind enough to let Him in He will saved you.
The passage is speaking about the Laodicean Church, which had gone lukewarm in the passing of time. They thought they were in need of nothing. He tells the church to be zealous and repent, He was standing at the door knocking, and if anyone had an ear to hear His voice in the inside, and opens the door, He would come in to him and dine with Him. Then He says, He who has an ear let him hear what the Spirit says to the Churches. The Churches Shira not a persons heart.
For He says, let him hear what the Spirit says, and only believers hear what the Spirit says, they have ears to hear.
---Mark_V. on 7/23/13




markv, revelation 3:20 behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice and open the door, I will come in to him and will sup with him and he with me. God does stand at the door and Jesus is the door. when we are saved we have entered thru the door. there is only one way to be saved and that is call on the name of the Lord and believe in thy heart and thou shalt be saved. God does stand at our door. when God speaks to me, I know in my heart without a shadow of a doubt it's Him.
---shira4368 on 7/23/13


Samuel, people are saved not because he made a choice for Christ.
Jesus did not come to see if there were any who would seek Him. Of course not. (Rom. 3:11) tells us
"There is no one who seek after God" Christ came not only to seek and find, but also to save. His words are,
"For the Son of Man is come to seek and to save that which was lost" Note it is not merely that He offers to, nor helps to, but that He actually saves. The angel declared to Joseph
"Thou shall call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins" Not try, but actually save them. Christ came here with one purpose in mind, and being who He is there is no possible room for any failure in His mission.
---Mark_V. on 7/23/13


hello,Bro.Pharisee, I do believe yes, this can happen when perhaps young person you accept Jesus with "head knowledge" but you not understood or fully given over to REALIZE HE IS your LORD, you are subject to Him
It's like you accept some cash or a gift! But, it is really NOT hit your mind wow! This is mine. Jesus ask and reguires your love, your reason, your mind, your soul, your time, your body,your participation, talk with him
Live for Him, RELATIONSHIP! Thankyou Jesus! Love of Jesus!
---lidia4796 on 7/22/13


Hello Samuel, your first answers are very good. now you say,
"But I dispute that GOD chooses for us. He convicts and gives us the power to choose." When you chose Christ, it is because God has already made you alive together with Christ (Eph. 2:4-10). You were born of God while you were still in trespasses and sins (Eph. 2:1). You say,
"He knocks on the door. Not kicks open." Samuel, there is no passage in all of Scripture where we are told that God knocks at the door of our hearts. That is not biblical. It is a language that is used by those who push for free will.
---Mark_V. on 7/19/13


even under conviction, we can choose to accept Christ or reject Christ. I've seen others do that. God may not deal with a person who rejects them over and over. God did stop dealing with my husband for years but I kept praying and asking God to give him another chance and God answered my prayer.
---shira4368 on 7/19/13




No lost person can change his own heart. If I thought for one minute that it was up to my son and him exercising his free will in order to be saved, why pray to God?
Free will doesn't exist the reason it's not mention in the Bible as something God gave to man. The lost are slaves to sin and the devil, the believers are slaves to God, no one is free. Mark_V.

We pray to GOD for our lost children because it GOD who brings conviction and changes the heart. That our wills are not free we agree. But I dispute that GOD chooses for us. He convicts and gives us the power to choose. Choice is mentioned in the Bible. He knocks on the door. Not kicks open. We are helpless as babies so we need to depend on GOD.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/18/13


markv, please read: matt21:25......matt 24:24...mark 1:acts 1315....mark8:23....mark 9:23...mark 11:23-31....mark16:14...luke 8:12...luke 20:5...john 1:7...12..john 3:34...john5:24...john 6:29....john 6:47...john 8:24...john 12:44....acts 13:39..acts 19:18...romans 1:16..romans 3:22
---shira4368 on 7/18/13


Shira, its about you ,
"I" am glad that your doctrine wasn't around me when I got saved." the reason your saved is because of God, not because of your own works. God brought the gospel Truth to you in power and in the Holy Spirit. Otherwise you would still be heading to hell. Then say,
" I" may have believed you and maybe I would still be lost in sin." You don't believe me, you believe in your own free will. Yet in your emnity, God had mercy on you and made you a vessel of honor. Then say,
" I" am happy that I chose to go to church that night and I am happy I listened to the Holy Spirit." The reason you went to church and heard the Spirit is because of God.
---Mark_V. on 7/17/13


Samuel,

I did not get saved until April 8th 1990. As a believer I taught all of my family the gospel. And all of my children have been saved but one.
We pray to God because He is the only One who can change a persons heart. No lost person can change his own heart. If I thought for one minute that it was up to my son and him exercising his free will in order to be saved, why pray to God?
Free will doesn't exist the reason it's not mention in the Bible as something God gave to man. The lost are slaves to sin and the devil, the believers are slaves to God, no one is free. If your will was free, it would be a slave to no one, neutral. The problem here is that so many do not want to admit how helpless they are without God.
---Mark_V. on 7/16/13


mark, I don't argue for any cause but Gods. I am glad that your doctrine wasn't around me when I got saved. I may have believed you and maybe I would still be lost in sin. I am happy that I chose to go to church that night and I am happy I listened to the Holy Spirit. I could have chosen to go out the back door like I saw at one service.
---shira4368 on 7/15/13


That is why I said that every free willer on their knees is a calvinist. You don't believe God has to first change his heart and turn him towards Christ because as most of you say, God is not permitted to save anyone unless the person gives Him permission. Why not pray to my Son and ask him to change his own heart.

Mark_V.

Actually I pray for the Father to send the Holy Spirit to convict my children to impress them that are sinners. Do you talk to your son and tell him about JESUS? Do you take him to Church? Why? Since he will be forced to believe or destined to burn in hell forever by the will of GOD. GOD convicts first by the HOLY SPIRT. GOD choose to give us free will so that we are responsible for our sin.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/15/13


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markv, I don't belong to any free willers. I am a member of my church. I am just stating what God said. how can you take 3 or 4 verses and base your whole faith on those. well, I take the bible as a whole and the whole bible is about salvation.
---shira4368 on 7/15/13


markv, you call me hypocritical because I have the will to receive or reject Christ. that is how God made us. you are deceived in the worst way. you don't need to pray about anything, you don't need to witness, you can just sit and rest if you don't believe we as people can reject God.
---shira4368 on 7/15/13


Shira, now you are been hypocritical. You stand for the free will of man, and continue to argue for their cause, and turn around and tell me that you will pray for my son, and that God has saved some wicked men. Why do you pray to God? You do not believe God can save him. You believe it is up to my son and his free will. That is why I said that every free willer on their knees is a calvinist. You don't believe God has to first change his heart and turn him towards Christ because as most of you say, God is not permitted to save anyone unless the person gives Him permission. Why not pray to my Son and ask him to change his own heart. Lets see if he can hear you.
---Mark_V. on 7/15/13


There is NO ONE who has died EVER without the possibility of salvation---francis on 7/14/13

Amen!
Because God is Righteous, True and Merciful!

We may not know how Salvation is offered, but we do know
GOD IS FAIR!
---Nikki on 7/14/13


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Pharisee, of course it is possible to believe in Jesus and even be Saved and not love Him.
Revelation 2:1-4, the Ephesus Church membership had done that very thing.
They were instructed to repent and return.
The word "Ephesus" means, desirable or full-purposed. God had a complete purpose for that church but they sinned. They left their first love, v4. God called them to come back to Him.
---Elder on 7/14/13


markv, the more you talk the deeper you get into false doctrine. if everyone is saved already, tell me why did God send His Son to die for the whole world? now, just answer this one question. you are so far off track and you are gonna crash. the devil knew God existed but he didn't believe God for salvation. satan trembles at the name of Jesus Christ.
---shira4368 on 7/14/13


Shira, your post proves my statement.
You love Jesus because YOU know HIM.

People can kill, steal, hurt and wrong others because they don't KNOW Jesus.
Peter weep because he hurt Jesus when he denied Him.
The one look from Jesus struck Peter to the heart.

But others were able to crucify Jesus, watch Him suffer and not shed one tear. Why?
Peter loves Jesus, but the others didn't love Jesus.

Jesus loves us because HE knew us before our birth.

MarkV, I don't know what you are trying to tell me?

I think you misunderstood me.
---Nikki on 7/14/13


Millions died without the posibility of been saved, no gospel.
---Mark_V. on 7/14/13
There is NO ONE who has died EVER without the possibility of salvation

Romans 2:13 For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Romans 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Romans 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another,
Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
---francis on 7/14/13


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"God loved Israel, and not the other nations."
Mark_V.
Would you please give proper Scripture reference to your above statement?
Otherwise I must reject it as pure false docrtine, misdirection and an out right lie!
---Elder on 7/14/13


markv, I have never claimed anyone can sin. well...you won't get a free ride with sinning if you are a child of God. my interpretation is the same and always has been. it really doesn't matter what you say, I am steadfast and I'm not blown around with any wind of doctrine. I will pray your son will be saved. I've seen God save some wicked men.
---shira4368 on 7/14/13


\\He did not die for the lost. If He had, everyone would be saved.\\
---Mark_V. on 7/14/13

Ummm,
He did die for the lost, and they will be saved in one aspect - physical resurrection

John 5:28-29
ALL who are in their tombs will rise. some to life, some to judgment

1Corinthians 15:21-22
since by a man came death, by a man also comes the resurrection of the dead. In Adam all die, in Christ all will be made alive

Romans 5:19
through the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One, the many will be made righteous
---James_L on 7/14/13


Shira, I talk the same talk, and preach the same teachings. You on the other hand belief something not written in Scripture, here you say,
"markv,.. I absolutely believe God gave me free will." Show me where in the Bible God said He gave man a will that is free? Not in Scripture. Then say,
" and...I believe Christ died for the whole world" He did not die for the lost. If He had, everyone would be saved. Then say,
"I believe everyone born in this world can be saved but they can't be saved and do what they want." God loved Israel, and not the other nations. Millions died without the posibility of been saved, no gospel. All human beings are sinners. No one deserves life.
---Mark_V. on 7/14/13


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One of the test for our assurance of salvation is whether we have a true love for Christ.
---Mark_V. on 7/13/13

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me:

We know we love God when we keep all TEN COMMANDMENTS
---francis on 7/13/13


markv, you talk out of both sides of your mouth. I absolutely believe God gave me free will. and...I believe Christ died for the whole world and I also believe in eternal security. I believe everyone born in this world can be saved but they can't be saved and do what they want. there is punishment. you are so wrong when you suggest I believe in works for salvation. I don't believe that one bit. we work after we are saved.
---shira4368 on 7/13/13


Nikki, Shira is correct. One of the test for our assurance of salvation is whether we have a true love for Christ. For only those born of God have it. Jesus did say,
"If God were you Father, you would love Me" Only those who belong to God, born of God love Christ. In those passage (John 8:42-47) we learn many things. One that there is two kinds of people, those who belong to the Father, and those who don't, but belong to the devil. Another thing we learn is that only those born of God hear Jesus words, those who don't is because "they are not able" to listen to Jesus Words. Why? Because they are of their father the devil who is the master of lies, and his desires they want to do.
---Mark_V. on 7/13/13


One sire said this:
Lordship Salvation emphasizes that submitting to Christ as Lord over your life goes hand-in-hand with trusting in Christ to be saved. It also focuses on a changed life as the result of salvation. Those who believe in Lordship Salvation would have serious doubts about a person who claims to believe in Christ but does not have good works evident in his life. The Bible does teach that faith in Christ will result in a changed

another said:
LORDSHIP SALVATION is the false doctrine that a sinner MUST forsake their actually sins to be saved. In sharp contrast, the Bible, God's Word, teaches that a sinner's faith in Christ alone is sufficient for salvation. I am a strong OPPONENT of Lordship Salvation.
---francis on 7/11/13


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Samuel, I have never heard of Lordship salvation, so I cannot comment on that. Concering (Matt. 24:13) what I believe the passages are saying in the context is that the ones who persevere are the same ones who are saved, Not the ones whose love grows cold (v.12). But remember, this does not suggest that our perseverance ensures our salvation. Because Scripture everywhere teaches precisely the opposite. God as part of His saving work, secures our perseverance. True believers are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation (1 Peter 1:5). The guarantee of our perseverance is built into the New Covenant promise, God says, "I will put My fear in their hearts so that they will not depart from Me" (Jer. 32:40).
---Mark_V. on 7/11/13


Well MarkV and Shira we have some points we can agree on. Awhile back John MacArthur got in some trouble for teaching Lord Ship Salvation.

While I know MacArthur is Calvanist and we differ slightly I agree with him and maybe you MarkV. You see I believe Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

If a person walks contrary to GOD on a continuous basis not wishing to follow GOD they are not saved. Read First John.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/10/13


nikki, you call yourself a christian and you don't love Jesus because you have never seen him? wow, I can tell you I have seen Jesus working in my life and others life. there is no doubt who I love and who saved me. there is no doubt who gives me peace and forgiveness. if you don't have that you are not a christian. some use that word very carelessly but I can tell you when you are saved you can feel the Spirit of God very strongly.
---shira4368 on 7/10/13


You can't love Someone who you don't know.
---Nikki on 7/10/13


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Only believers have a true love for Christ. Unbelievers do not have a true love for Chrsit.
"Jesus said to them, "If God were you Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God," (John 8:42). Only those who belong to the Father love the Lord Jesus Christ. The others don't love Him because they are of their father the devil, and his desires they want to do.
"He who is of God hears God's Words, therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God" (John 8:47).
No matter how much free will they think they have, they will never hear God's words. Why? Because they are not of God. That should be clear to anyone who is truely saved.
---Mark_V. on 7/10/13


Shira, very true. All believers are chastened by God. All of them. If they are not chastened by God they are as the word of God says,
"But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, you are illegitimate and not sons" (Heb. 12:8).
All the children of God saved, are chastened at some point or another.
So, if someone is truely saved, and he is saying he can sin all he wants, he is going to have some big time chastening by God so that it will yeild the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it" (Heb. 12:11).
---Mark_V. on 7/7/13


spurgeon was a true man of God. I've read some of the things he has written. the blogger is right. we can be saved and do what we want in sin. but here is the real deal. If we sin after we are saved God will punish us in the worst ways. don't think you can sin if you are a child of the King. God will punish His people. some severly.
---shira4368 on 7/7/13


Samuel, christians say many things in the language the use. A lot of it is false. But a genuine believer has certain marks about him or her that we can see. Yet we can never be positive. Only God can see the heart. True salvation is sustained by Christ. God makes us stand. He designed it that way. All of His beloveth, the elect, will come to Christ at some point in time in history. This actions are in time for us, but for God, they are already done and complete before Him. Nothing can separate us from the Love of God. This is talking about believers only. We are the special people. If a person is truely saved, he will never be lost. Not possible. Jesus said, they will never perish.
---Mark_V. on 7/7/13


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Samuel, I have also read a lot of Spurgeon. But here you say,
"But I have meet many who live in sin and say it is fine since they are once saved always saved." One thing I know, is that we, as believers, are forgiven sinners. We are been changed day after day. But I have never met any of those you mentioned that say they can sin all they want. If I heard one person say that, to me it means that person is not saved and I would move on. The point is "practicing sin" If they practice it, they could not possibly be saved.
---Mark_V. on 7/6/13


Well MarkV I have meet some who believe in Eternal Security who walk with GOD. I even like to read Spurgeon who wrote:Psalm 24:4

Outward practical holiness is a very precious mark of grace. It is to be feared that many professors have perverted the doctrine of justification by faith in such a way as to treat good works with contempt, if so, they will receive everlasting contempt at the last great day. If our hands are not clean, let us wash them in Jesus precious blood, and so let us lift up pure hands unto God.

But I have meet many who live in sin and say it is fine since they are once saved always saved.

I do not believe works save me anymore than Spurgeon did or you.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/5/13


have you noticed everyone believes in God....not many want to talk about Jesus.---shira4368 on 7/1/13

Yes, the cowards.
They only think about themselves and what might happen to themselves.
They can talk about their love interest, but not God.
Then some have the nerve to try to stop you from showing your love for Jesus.
---Nikki on 7/5/13


Question,
"Is it possible for someone to believe in Jesus and not love him?"

NO. not possible. All who believe in Him, love Him. "We love Him because He first loved us"
---Mark_V. on 7/5/13


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Between me and God . . . I need to be changed so I love Jesus the way You, Father, really want me to. This needs to be discovered, with Your correction (Hebrews 12:7-12), not only with me boasting it so. And how You have me loving Your people is included in loving Jesus our Groom. Plus, we discover how Jesus really is, by loving any and all evil people, the way Jesus in us has us loving > this makes us compatible with our Groom (c:
---willie_c: on 7/2/13


Samuel, the only people I hear say what you said, are those who do not believe in eternal security. They claim that believers assured of their salvation, say they can sin all they want. To this day I have not heard one say such things. All those that I know who believe in eternal security in Christ have a great passion for Christ and learning about God.
Only the free willers believe they can lost their salvation by their own works, because they believe they were saved by their own works, their own free will. Most of those here have a terrible mouth, what is in their hearts is not God.
But if a person is a child of God, he will always be a child of God. Jesus does not lose one of them. Those are the words of the Lord.
---Mark_V. on 7/2/13


francis, Hebrews 6:6 is not speaking of people who are born of the Spirit, saved already. Genuine believers have access to God already, now, this second. No one is lost that belongs to Christ. Do you not believe in the Words of Christ?
"This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me, I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last Day." (John 6:39).
We are also told,
"..so that you are not lacking in any spiritual gift, as you wait for the revealing of Our Lord Jesus Christ. "who will sustain you to the end" guiltless in the Day of our Lord Jesus Christ..." (1 Cor. 1:7-9).
Jesus loses no one, no matter how you interpret the passages in Hebrews.
---Mark_V. on 7/2/13


when God is mentioned, people will listen but when Jesus Christ is mentioned people get nervous. have you noticed everyone believes in God....not many want to talk about Jesus.
---shira4368 on 7/1/13


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It is so amazing to me, that the name Jesus is the most hated name in the world, yet, one cannot get to heaven without Jesus Christ.
---Catherine on 7/1/13


"Jesus defined love for him as "keeping his commandments" in a word we can call that repentance" Pharisee

The Christian love for Christ is because the Father first loved them, period. "Keeping His commandments" is the consequence of God's love bearing upon the sinner and prove of the sinner's salvation. It's nothing to do with freewill whatsoever because it doesn't exist in the man but only in God.

"And this is the will of Him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on Him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day."

Does everyone believe in the Son? Of course not! Why? John 6:37,44 tells you why.
---christan on 6/30/13


When we are saved by God, it is everlasting salvation. Not temporary.
---Mark_V. on 6/30/13
Romans 8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

Colossians 1:22 ...to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: IF IF ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel

Romans 5:9 Much more then, being NOW justified by his blood, WE SHALL be saved from wrath through him.

But I still like your number 2 post. I do not agree with it, but I like it. It shows faith in God as the author and finisher of our faith
---francis on 6/30/13


I have meet people who say they are saved and cannot be lost. They hate reading the Bible it is too boring. They go to church rarely and to spend time with GOD will that be a total waste of their valuable time.

If it is entertaining like a Christian music concert they will go. Or if the preacher is exciting enough.

Money is to be spent on clothes and new stuff. The church does not need it for GOD is rich.

I have a problem believing these people really love JESUS.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/30/13


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---Mark_V. on 6/30/13
John is talking about a specific group of people who denied that Jesus camein the flesh
1 John 2:19 They went out from us, 1 John 2:22 He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

very diferent from Hebrews

Hebrews 6:4 For [it is] impossible for those who were once ENLIGHTENED, and have TASTED OF THE HEAVENLY GIFT, and were made PARTAKERS OF THE HOLY GHOST,

Hebrews 6:6 If they shall fall away,...

These people were: ENLIGHTENED, TASTED OF THE HEAVENLY GIFT ( SALVATION), PARTAKERS OF THE HOLY GHOST,

but i still like your number 2 post
---francis on 6/30/13


'Belief in Jesus' and 'believing/accepting as absolute truth that Jesus died to take our punishment for sin so that we will not be punished' are not the same thing. Christians know that salvation is a gift and that a gift must be accepted in gratitute, accepting that it was offered in love, for it to be of any use to us. Love is also returned to the one who saved us.

Millions of people (including churchgoers) 'believe in Jesus' but have not grasped why He came and did what He did.

No, that type are not saved - yet - but still could be.
---Rita_H on 6/30/13


francis 2: No one who is a genuine believer ever falls away into apostasy. John also tells us concerning those who fall away,
"The went out from us, but they were not of us, for it they had been of us, they would have continued with us, "but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us"
When we are saved by God, it is everlasting salvation. Not temporary.
---Mark_V. on 6/30/13


---Mark_V. on 6/30/13
Hebrews 6:4 For [it is] impossible for those who were once ENLIGHTENED, and have TASTED OF THE HEAVENLY GIFT, and were made PARTAKERS OF THE HOLY GHOST,

Hebrews 6:6 If they shall fall away,...

These people were: ENLIGHTENED, TASTED OF THE HEAVENLY GIFT ( SALVATION), PARTAKERS OF THE HOLY GHOST,

These are genuine believers, you cannot be a partaker of theholy ghost unless youa re saved, and yet they ca fall away
so you assessment if wrong

1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils,

and this verse says nothing about genuine believers
---francis on 6/30/13


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Francis, you said,
"So in the same manner once you depart from the faith, only then will you know that you were predestined to be lost."
francis, genuine believers saved by God, never fall away from the faith. You must be talking about those who believed that they came to Christ on their own free will. Now those do fall away from the faith. You know why? "because just as they believe they saved themselves with their own free will, they also believe they can fall away because of their own free will."
Those that God made alive and saved, those never fall away for God will make them stand, for Jesus Christ will sustain them (Rom. 14:4: 1 Cor. 1:7-9).
---Mark_V. on 6/30/13


No one knows who is predestine to be saved. Only those who are saved already, who received the promise, know they were predestine before the foundation of the world to be saved.
---Mark_V. on 6/29/13

So in the same manner once you depart from the faith, only then will you know that you were predestined to be lost.

Tell me how do you know that you are not one of those who are predestined in the latter times to depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils,
---francis on 6/29/13


See how silly this blog question becomes?
---christan
It's completely silly, and that's the point, Jesus defined love for him as "keeping his commandments" in a word we can call that repentance, that's a verb that's love in action and involves choice, it's a choice we're free to make when he calls because of what he did in his body, the act of Christ revealing himself is a call to freedom, Jesus gave parable after parable about him being rejected and the invitations going out to everyone after that without discrimination, with such clear pictures of what the cross would do we know the draconian God you describe is false he shows his love either people respond or they "will not."

THATS GOOD NEWS
---Pharisee on 6/29/13


To even dare say you believe in Christ and not love Him, makes an impossible combination of salvation by grace. Speaking plainly, if that's your scenario, you're not even saved but pretending only that you are saved - which is not even salvation.

Being born of the Holy Spirit through grace, how is it even possible for one not to love Christ? "And hope maketh not ashamed, because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us. For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly."

See how silly this blog question becomes?
---christan on 6/29/13


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It is possible to believe in Jesus and not believe Jesus.
It happens all the time.
---michael_e on 6/29/13

just ask doubting Thomas.
---aka on 6/29/13


//"Is it possible for someone to believe in Jesus and not love him?"//
It is possible to believe in Jesus and not believe Jesus.
It happens all the time.
---michael_e on 6/29/13


"Is it possible for someone to believe in Jesus and not love him?" No.
For "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent." Jhn 6:29
And "it is God who works in you both to will and to do for [His] good pleasure." Phl 2:13
"We love Him because He first loved us." 1Jo 4:19
"This is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son [to be] the propitiation for our sins. 1Jo 4:10
"For the love of Christ compels us, because we judge thus: that if One died for all, then all died, 2Cr 5:14
And "the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness. Against such there is no law.Gal 5:22,23
---josef on 6/29/13


francis, I believe you do not know what you are talking about when you speak about predestination. Here you say,
"Those who claim to be presestined to be saved,"
I will help you. No one knows who is predestine to be saved. Only those who are saved already, who received the promise, know they were predestine before the foundation of the world to be saved. If you were saved right now, you would know you were one. But it seems you don't know, the reason you asked the question.
The reason believers, who are saved already, preach the gospel to all, is because no one knows who the elect are.
---Mark_V. on 6/29/13


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me thinks that James did not say the devils believe and tremble.

james said that the devils believe there is one God and tremble.

(probably because they are backing the one who is not Supreme.)
---aka on 6/28/13


Those who claim to be presestined to be saved, tell me how do ou know that you are predestined to be saved, and not one of those who are predestined in the latter times to depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils,
---francis on 6/28/13


"Is it possible for someone to believe in Jesus and not love him?"
No, it is not possible.
Even the devil believes yet he is not saved because he does not Love Christ. Believing there is a God does not save anyone.
---Mark_V. on 6/28/13

why are you fighting against yourself?
---francis on 6/28/13


Pharisee, you say,
"Is it possible for someone to believe in Jesus and not love him?"
No, it is not possible.
Even the devil believes yet he is not saved because he does not Love Christ. Believing there is a God does not save anyone. He has to have faith in the Lord. And no one lost has faith in the Lord. "We love Him because He first loved us." If He hadn't loved us first as believers, we would never be able to love Him. If a person has a true love for Christ, he cannot possibly be lost.
---Mark_V. on 6/28/13


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I know, Nikki.

But in Romans, St. Paul said, "Perhaps it is because of you that the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles."

Sad, sad, sad.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/27/13


Cluny, did you know that Gandhi said he almost became a Christian, but didn't because he looked at the Christians around him.
---Nikki on 6/27/13


Why would anyone believe in the words of someone that they do not love or trust?

Jesus said that those who have and keep His commandments are the ones who love Him. John 14:21-24. Jesus also said that if we keep His commandments as He kept His Father's commandments we shall abide in His love. John 15:7-10. How is it possible to believe that He has the words to eternal life and not love Him? To whom shall we go? John 6:66-69.
---barb on 6/27/13


WHAT SAY YE?
---Pharisee on 6/27/13

Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Isaiah 4:1 And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.
---francis on 6/27/13


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Many people are in hell, today that had demonic belief! Two types of belief: [1] Demonic type belief, and [2] Salvation type belief. The only clemency for an individual is if God comes to him or her reveals Himself to him or her and out of His favor saves them and forgives them of their sins through His powerful Blood. As you grow you will love Jesus [God] more.
---Catherine on 6/27/13


Love cannot be commanded, it is a natural response!
There is an old adage "Love seeks the object of it's affection" which is true of any circumstance!
Some people love money
Some love golf
Some love sports
Some love politics etc. etc.!
If love of God is not a natural response then it's not love!
---1st_cliff on 6/27/13


Well, I suppose it depends on what you mean by "believe in Jesus".

Mohandas Ghandi believed that Jesus existed, admired Him, and liked His teachings--but did not believe that He was Lord, God, and Savior.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/27/13


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