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Is there biblical proof that man and dinosaurs co-existed?

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Cluny you are being disingenuous. It is clear from the content of your many posts that you believe in a long-ages view. This forces you to believe creatures such as dinosaurs became extinct c60 million years ago. And you promote and defend your long-ages view doggedly. Then you say it doesn't matter to you! False!

If I had a dollar for every long-ages Bible compromiser such as you, who has said it doesn't matter to them I could take a long holiday.

BTW I believe the description of Leviathan does not fit with a dinosaur but a marine reptile. Conversely the description of Behemoth fits no extant creature but does fit with a dinosaur.
---Warwick on 7/11/13


StrongAxe, no one believes the creation days are other than c24hrs, from Scripture.

Throughout Scripture when "day" is preceded by a number it means 24hrs. For example Exodus 20:9 "Six days you shall labor, and do all your work..." Did the Israelites ask-How long are the days? You know they didn't because any rational person knows how long 6 days are. Apparently you would ask.

Why were they to work 6 days? God explains "For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them..." vs 11.

You would have us believe 6 days are not the same as 6 days! What nonsense you propose to excuse and cover your antiBiblical compromise.
---Warwick on 7/11/13


There is much debate among the scientifically literate as to what Leviathan may have been. They do agree the Biblical description is not of any living creature. Some suggest Kronosaurus or Liopleurodon. Another likely candidate is Sarcosuchus, which was a massive 'armour-plated' crocodile which had a bulbous cavity at the end of its snout which could have been used for mixing fire-generating chemicals, like a Bombadier Beetle. They grew to 12 metres long making them twice the length and 10 times the weight of any current crocodile.

The largest crocodiles today are easily trapped and killed but not something so large, and 'armour-plated.' It clearly fits with the description of Leviathan in Job.
---Warwick on 7/10/13


jason, let me modify what I have asked.

Can you give the name of a dinosaur USED BY PALENTOLOGISTS that was fire breathing?

There is no generally accepted proof that leviathan was a dinosaur. It's just assumed by some people.

And to whoever asked me if I thought that humans and dinosaurs lived at the same time--while I don't think so, it doesn't really matter to me. Should I be proven wrong, I won't cry myself to sleep.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/10/13


-jason9835 on 7/9/13: Your idea is OK as long as you assume that the leviathan IS a dinosaur, in which case it can well be assumed to be a dragon as well.

But it might well be some other creature, either still existing or not.

Some time ago someone brought the idea of a kangaroo - possible except that a kangaroo is not large enough, but the large tail is acceptable, or even a crocodile, but again a crocodile is not really large enough.

I just mean that while it could be a dragon/dinosaur, there are a few other animals that are possible, though I agree not so likely

But in all of this, we are only guessing - as the word does not define the animal
---Peter9556 on 7/10/13




Warwick:

Jesus frequently spoke in parables. He was expected that his readers could figure out what was literal and what wasn't. Similarly, much in the old testament can't be literal (e.g., the "branch from Jesse" can't be literal unless human beings can turn into plants).

You assume Genesis 1 is literal. The Bible doesn't say it is or it isn't. I'm not saying it isn't - just that ASSUMING that it is, is making assumptions.

The same goes for your constant insistence that the days in Genesis 1 were 24 hours long, something never mentioned in Genesis (nor anywhere else). Days are always from sunset to sunset - different during Joshua's Long Day (not 24 hours), and not measurable during the first 3 creation days.
---StrongAxe on 7/10/13


\\//Please give the name of a dinosaur that seems to have been fire-breathing.//

I already did, werent you paying attention?
---jason9835 on 7/9/13\\

I've checked your previous comments on this blog, and I see NOWHERE that you've given the actual name of a fire-breathing dinosaur.

Oblige me, and give the name again, please.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/10/13


Trav,
You know it began so long ago when I critized your then incomprehensible writing style.
---Warwick on 7/9/13

I always call on GOD for help...you call for blog police.

My writing incorporates scripture. Two or more for witnesses. This is why it is incomprehensible to you. I've stated this many times. In this case I was addressing someone else and pointing out my experiences with false shepherds.
You took offense, rather than a lesson. Learn this, religious enemies will always tell the truth.
Luk_10:3 Go your ways: behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves.
Mat_7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
---Trav on 7/10/13


what the bible tells us is adam and eve were the first people created but it does not tell us if others were also created. I have often thought about this but if God thought it to be important, He would have put it in genesis 1.
---shira4368 on 7/10/13


Mark StrongAxe has a point as I agreed-unfounded assumption is dangerous. However he suggests God may have created creatures which became extinct within 24hours-not a plausible position.

Further he confuses kinds with species.

He also claimed Scripture does not say if Adam and Eve had daughters. As I pointed out Genesis 5:4 says they had sons and daughters before and after Seth. Anyone conversant with Scripture should know this.

Considering the time span involved Cain's wife could have been a sister or relative. However it does still mean at least one brother or sister married and had children. There is no legal or medical reason why they could not have done that as the normal thing.
---Warwick on 7/9/13




StrongAxe, your Biblioscepticism is revealed more and more.

Genesis 1 a metaphor? Please supply Scriptural support for this? You know you cannot. However I can give many quotes from Jesus and the apostles which show they took it as straight-forward history. For 1 example see 2 Corinthians 4:6 "For God who said let light shine out of darkness"-Genesis 1:3. Is this metaphor? Why?

In explaining Christian marriage Jesus quoted from Genesis 1:27 and 2:24 as His foundation. Metaphor also?

See Romans 5:12 where Paul writes of Adam's sin-the only reason Jesus came to die and rise again. Is this metaphor also. Maybe it is all metaphor? Maybe Jesus did not know and died for a metaphor? Where does it stop?
---Warwick on 7/9/13


StrongAxe you refer to the story of Lazarus in heaven as a parable, but is it a parable? The message is important but it does not have the characteristics of a parable, more a real story. Why?:

I do not know of a parable which identifies a person by name-Lazarus is named suggesting he was a real person.

When Jesus gave a parable He interpreted it before or after. This story has no interpretation given.

Parables do not contain miracles or supernatural events described however this one concludes with the allusion of Jesus rising from the dead.
---Warwick on 7/9/13


Trav, I suggest you seek medical help. Your years-long obsession with me is unhealthy. You know it began so long ago when I critized your then incomprehensible writing style.

I truly hope you do not live anywhere near me. Your behaviour here is akin to stalking.

I trust those responsible for this site take notice of your bizarre behaviour, and take appropriate action.
---Warwick on 7/9/13


//Please give the name of a dinosaur that seems to have been fire-breathing.//

I already did, werent you paying attention?
---jason9835 on 7/9/13


elder, I hope he never feels the fire of hell fire.
---shira4368 on 7/9/13


jason9835, what'ta think the sports broadcasters were meaning when they said, "Look at that Michael Jordan play. He's on fire tonight!"?
---Elder on 7/9/13


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How many times did they quote from Gen 1 (creation), which is the real dispute here
---Jessica on 7/8/13

Yeah, Jess a sober reality. Jus take a preachers sober word/pill and go to preacher sleep. Ha. Having lived past 40 I realized I was starving, getting no meat from most preachers. Research yourself, seek, look and ask the only Teacher we have. Yahshua.
Genesis references are over 200 before including Israel's family references.
Around 30 references to creation of world/universe.

Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him, male and female created he them.
Gen 2/ Adam and Eve....
---Trav on 7/9/13


\\ Im not saying all dinosaurs were fire breathing, but some seem to have been. \\

Please give the name of a dinosaur that seems to have been fire-breathing.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/9/13


//Well, there seems to be no evidence from the fossils that dinosaurs breathed fire.//Peter9556

And just how would you know from looking at the bones? Im not saying all dinosaurs were fire breathing, but some seem to have been. What do you think the bible meant by fiery flying serpent and what do you think Job 41:19-21 was referring to?
---jason9835 on 7/9/13


//For example, the Bible makes no mention of Adam and Eve having any daughters, so would you assume they didn't have any.// StrongAxe

Actually it does, read Genesis 5:4.

// We don't know whether or not there were animals that were created, but no longer existed in Adam's day.//StrongAxe

Sounds like you have bought into the day/age theory. Why would you think those days are anything other than literal 24 hour days? You do realize that plants were created on the third day and the sun on the fourth. How does your long ages accommodate that? You are also trying to introduce death into the world prior to the fall of man. The bible says man brought death into the world.
---jason9835 on 7/9/13


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Warwick:

Jesus frequently spoke in parables and metaphors, and gave no indication when he was switching between them and "concrete" subjects. So if Genesis 1 was metaphor, and Jesus was quoting it as metaphor, we would be none the wiser - i.e. we can't infer literalism from it.

It's perfectly legitimate to quote something that may not be literally true and still rely on the (non-literal) truth of it. For example, when he spoke of Lazarus and the rich man, we have no idea if he was being literal or not - but the message is important just the same.
---StrongAxe on 7/9/13


StrongAxe, you wrote about species of animals "that may have lived before before but no longer existed, or didn't exist yet." Isn't this itself an assumption? BTW God is speaking of 'kinds', not species which come, over time,from kinds.

Is it really likely God created some animal 'kind' which became extinct within 24hrs?

There is no Biblical reason to imagine any animal kind/s were created after the creation week. It is more of an assumption to imagine they were than to believe they weren't.

BTW way Genesis 5:4 says Adam fathered daughters before and after Seth.
---Warwick on 7/9/13


Warwick, Strongaxe has a very good point. I understand why you are so solid on Genesis and have a good point, but what Strongaxe says also has a very good point. Many things happen that we are not told in the Bible. By reading what is written, and putting together what we know, we many times have to come to a conclusion on our own. The example Strongaxe gave is a good one, concerning the wife of Cain. We have to concluded without been told that his wife was one of his sisters. It is man's conclusion because there is no other reason to believe other people not from Adam existed. The Trinity, we know the word is not in the Bible, but the Trinity is explained by using many passages and coming out with one conclusion. Just my thoughts brother.
---Mark_V. on 7/9/13


Jessica, they quoted from Genesis chapter 1 14 times, and always as sober historical reality.
---Warwick on 7/8/13


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Warwick:

I'm not imaginging anything. I'm not saying such animals existed or did not exist. I'm just pointing out that those who assume that nothing happened because the Bible didn't mention it as also assuming a lot themselves. For example, the Bible makes no mention of Adam and Eve having any daughters, so would you assume they didn't have any. So whom did Cain marry (or Seth, for that matter)?
---StrongAxe on 7/8/13


Warwick: 'Jesus and His apostles quoted from the first 11 chapters of Genesis 107 times'

How many times did they quote from Gen 1 (creation), which is the real dispute here?
---Jessica on 7/8/13


Jason: 'We must remember the word dinosaur wasnt invented until 1841, so of course it wont appear in the bible. The word used prior was dragon. ' and 'Also, leviathan was a fire breather Job 41:19-21'

Well, there seems to be no evidence from the fossils that dinosaurs breathed fire.

We can take the two to be same if we want, but only if we assume, without any actual evidence, that dinosaurs breathed fire.

Do you assume that?
---Peter9556 on 7/7/13


StrongAxe, if you take Genesis at face value, as written, as Jesus and the apostles did, there is no problem. All the animals were made over a 48hr (maximum) period. Do you imagine some new animals spontaneously appeared or became extinct in this period? Imagine away.
---Warwick on 7/7/13


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Warwick:

It says animals were created. Then, days later, Adam was created. Then God rested. Then God told Adam to name the animals. There is no mention of what happened (or didn't happen) between the animals' creation and their naming. We don't know whether or not there were animals that were created, but no longer existed in Adam's day. We can conjecture, but we can't dogmatically assert yes or no with any confidence without relying on our own opinion rather than what Scripture says (since it doesn't say anything at all).
---StrongAxe on 7/7/13


Warwick: on July 2 you quoted 'Note also that swaying is a vertical motion'

I'm sorry, but not according to the Oxford English Dictionary.

And you then used that claim to wreck what people had stated.

I agree with your view, but you have to be careful of the methods you use to prove your views.
---James on 7/7/13


StrongAxe regarding Adam naming the animals you wrote "It doesn't say anything about animals that weren't there - e.g. ones that may have lived before before but no longer existed..."

To which I wrote:
"StrongAxe where does Scripture say that any animals existed before those created as per the account in Genesis 1?"

And you wrote: "It's dangerous to build doctrines on one verse that the Bible says, and even more dangerous to build doctrines based on something the Bible doesn't even mention!" And I wrote "Isn't that exactly what you have done?"

I hope this explains.


---Warwick on 7/7/13


Warwick:

Just which doctrine have I been promoting? All I've been saying is that many things that people believe are from the Bible are on thin ice, because the Bible doesn't say anything about it.
---StrongAxe on 7/6/13


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Cliff you have not answered my questions so I will repeat them again, again:

"please quote some Hebrew poetry."

I have asked you this question, now four times, to see if you even know what Hebrew poetry is. Apparently you don't. So I ask another very relevant question: Is the account of Behemoth and Leviathan in Job couched in Hebraic poetry?

'While you are at it please explain why absolute truth cannot be conveyed in a "poetic form".'

---Warwick on 7/5/13


Cliff, you wrote 'my beliefs do not contradict scripture,..." This is false as Genesis says God created in 6 days, days defined as composed of morning and evening. What we call a 24hr day. No other period of time is so composed.

In Exodus 20:8-11 God again equates His 6 days of creation with His peoples 6 24hr days. I do not interpret Scripture but take it as written unless there is some good reason not to do so. And there is no such reason as regards Genesis, or Exodus.

As I have pointed out Jesus and His apostles quoted from the first 11 chapters of Genesis 107 times, always as sober historical reality, as written.

Scripture never says the days of creation are each a thousand years.
---Warwick on 7/5/13


1st Cliff wrote: "The creation account allows for long ages".

An assertion does not equal a reasoned argument. Care to provide one?
---Marc on 7/5/13


Warwick, Contrary to what you say, my beliefs do not contradict scripture, they contradict your "interpretation" of scripture!
The creation account allows for long ages (not billions of years)but certainly longer than six thousand!
You're letting superstition overcome reason!
No matter which way you slice it there's not enough time in day six to accomplish it all in 24 hours. God could do it but not Adam (he wasn't superman)
Recorded at a time when there was no written language!
---1st_cliff on 7/5/13


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Cliff you have not answered my questions so I will repeat them again:

"please quote some Hebrew poetry."

I have asked you this question, now three times, to see if you even know what Hebrew poetry is. Apparently you don't. So I ask another very relevant question: Is the account of Behemoth and Leviathan in Job couched in Hebraic poetry?

'While you are at it please explain why absolute truth cannot be conveyed in a "poetic form".'
---Warwick on 7/5/13


Trey, it is understandable that many people (scientist or otherwise) are convinced of the billions of years as they are indoctrinated into this view via school, university, books, and TV. When was the last time you saw a nature documentary on TV which gave glory to God as Creator? Never? Why?

Nonetheless in Creation magazine I read of more and more scientists who are giving up on long-ages/evolution and accepting Jesus as their Saviour. Many of them comment that they had uncritically accepted the naturalistic view.
---Warwick on 7/5/13


We must remember the word dinosaur wasnt invented until 1841, so of course it wont appear in the bible. The word used prior was dragon. There are nearly 30 references in the bible to dragon and fiery flying serpent. Also, leviathan was a fire breather Job 41:19-21. There are many legends around the world that speak of dragons. Are they all false? What about ancient drawings of dinosaurs? These drawings are not just of dinosaurs, but of people chasing them, riding them, killing them, and being eaten by them. There are also many ancient literary references to them. Even Josephus mentions them in his writings, as did Marco Polo.
---jason9835 on 7/5/13


Warwick, I answered your question that the NIV said Job was mixture of prose and poetry, personally I don't read Hebrew!
Where there dinosaurs in the ark? If so they would be still here, a pair of baby ones would be accommodated in the ark as easily as elephants! How about pterodactyls or other Jurassic era creatures?
---1st_cliff on 7/5/13


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Cliff that Behemoth's tail is like a cedar means it is extremely large (far larger than the tail of any extant creature) and possibly held upright hence it sways.

Have you noticed you come up with ideas which you believe contradict the straight forward meaning of Scripture and I answer them. I ask you questions and you rarely answer them. Is that fair?

For a recent example I asked "please quote some Hebrew poetry." You have not done so, why? And: 'while you are at it please explain why absolute truth cannot be conveyed in a "poetic form".'
---Warwick on 7/5/13


Warwick,
My brother who is a scientist also has the same problem as Cliff and chooses to believe the earth is millions of years old in spite of sound scientific evidence that supports creation.
---trey on 7/4/13


Warwick, The NIV says that Job is a mixture of prose and poetry.
BTW trees sway back and forth not up and down!
I have anti sway bars on my car as you do in the circuit. that's not for swaying up and down but fishtailing side to side!
---1st_cliff on 7/4/13


Cliff, swaying is a motion that a vertical item does. Trees sway in the wind. Crocodiles tails do not.

As regards 'coil' Isaiah 27:1 reads "...the LORD will punish with his sword--....Leviathan the gliding serpent, Leviathan the coiling serpent, he will slay the monster of the sea." This supports the Bible believers case. How does it help your view?

As already pointed out dinosaur refers to land-dwelling creatures. Therefore Leviathan isn't a dinosaur but a sea going reptile.

A hippo's tail is like a cedar tree? "He ranks first among the works of God." Really? Can anyone trap him, and pierce his nose? Yes. But can anyone capture a dinosaur whose tail is so large it is likened to a cedar tree?
---Warwick on 7/3/13


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Cliff it is not that I hate to be wrong but that you need for the Bible to be wrong. I defend what it says and that annoys you.
---Warwick on 7/3/13


Cliff, I notice you have played the 'poetry' card. Now just to see if you know what you are talking about, and remembering Job was written in Hebrew please quote some Hebrew poetry.

And while you are at it please explain why absolute truth cannot be conveyed in a "poetic form". That's your homework!
---Warwick on 7/3/13


/Remember that In Job the description was in poetic form. (poetic licence?)/-1st_cliff on 7/3/13
--I disagree--Job is historical writings. All the other animals God described in Job, people have no problem with--side-by-side.
BTW Holman's books may be informative, but are not withoiut error.
---micha9344 on 7/3/13


//Quote my exact words where I said this.//

No need to because youve implied it several times including your last comment. To set the record straight, just say whether you believe they co-existed or not then there is no doubt where you stand.

//Of course, there are no humanoid fossils below the K/T boundary, and no dinosaur fossils above it.//

They find all sorts of things above and below the KT boundary including human remains and objects, but those dont get widely reported because they dont fit with evolution. Or, as with the KBS Tuff they just keep re-dating it until they get the date they like. As Marc said, its circular reasoning: the rocks date the fossils and the fossils date the rocks. Trust Gods word not mans.
---jason9835 on 7/3/13


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Warwick, I know how much you hate to be wrong, but.. my dictionary says sway is "side to side" not up and down!
Also Holman's dictionary says Leviathan (coiled one) can a dinosaur "coil"?
Holman's does not list "dinosaurs" as a biblical creature!
BTW Holman's says Behemoth-most likely Hippo. Remember that In Job the description was in poetic form. (poetic licence?)
---1st_cliff on 7/3/13


Cluny,

You wrote that no dinosaur fossils have been found above the KT boundary.

Sorry, but palaeontologists have found them in Tertiary deposits. However, what they do then is to reclassify the stratum as Cretaceous, thus preserving their model from being falsified.

The many examples like this that I've read about clearly demonstrates the circular reasoning of evolutionists.
---Marc on 7/3/13


Cliff as usual you demonstrate you do not read Scripture. You have confused Leviathan (Job 41) with Behemoth (Job 42).

It is Behemoth which has a tail like a cedar, not Leviathan. Note also that swaying is a vertical motion while the movement of a crocodiles tail is horizontal. You got it wrong again Cliff.

I know of no evidence (written or fossil) which places crocodiles in Israel.

God says man cannot catch and control Leviathan. If as you say Leviathan was a crocodile then you have God getting it wrong again. Even the largest crocodiles are prey to man, (very tasty) even those with primitive weapons. Your god seems to get lots wrong.

Poor try!
---Warwick on 7/2/13


StrongAxe where does Scripture say that any animals existed before those created as per the account in Genesis 1?

You wrote: It's dangerous to build doctrines on one verse that the Bible says, and even more dangerous to build doctrines based on something the Bible doesn't even mention! Isn't that exactly what you have done?
---Warwick on 7/2/13


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\\Not sure what your problem is with man and dinosaurs living at the same time.\\

Quote my exact words where I said this.

Of course, there are no humanoid fossils below the K/T boundary, and no dinosaur fossils above it.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/2/13


Willie, it is about what Scripture says, and the unwillingness of some to accept it. The Bible believer knows all land dwelling animals were created along with man on day 6. Therefore as what we today call dinosaurs (one described in Job 40) were land creatures they co-existed with man.

Others have a belief, a blend of worldly ideas such as long-ages, and Scripture. They insist the gospel is absolute historical truth but reject Genesis as truth. They hold 2 contradictory ideas in tension in their minds. What they believe undermines that which the NT says is the only foundation for the gospel.

They reject the truth of any Scripture which does not agree with their man-made views. Who is their ultimate authority? God or Man?
---Warwick on 7/2/13


Catherine, Job 40 begins with God saying "Look at the Behemoth, which I made along with you." Surely Biblical reality is not about what man knows but what God knows. Wouldn't you agree?

Secondly God's words show that Behemoth was there for Job to see. First hand experience.

I cannot imagine how anyone could believe the description in Job describes an elephant or hippo. Just for one of the points: would you describe their tails as having any likeness to the large cedar tree?
---Warwick on 7/2/13


To all who question my use of Genesis, if you would read older translations and research the original Hebrew meanings, you would see that Adam named ALL creatures, and that none were created and not named by Adam (except for micro-evolutions changing the properties within species over time, micro-evolutions do not create new dinosaurs by the way).
---A_servant on 7/2/13


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We still have dinosaurs today. They are just smaller because of Jennie Craig and her system...
---Elder on 7/2/13


So, you need a beast with a tail like a cedar? How about a Nile crocodile? I understand these are quite large.

But even if God were speaking of a Nile crocodile, this does not mean there were no dinosaurs, also.

Also, the truth is . . . we are in an evil world. I can not prove to God that what I have seen in books or museums is really true. I don't know the people involved, personally. Those "bones" could be carved wood, and reports and photos rigged, for all I know.

But I find it "interesting" that there is enough oil and coal deep down, to keep civilization going for "a while". That stuff is supposed to come from vegetation. That's a lot of vegetation needed to make all that coal and oil.
---willie_c: on 7/2/13


God created all life for His enjoyment and glory [some are working to take that glory away from God], including the dinosaurs [Ps. 148:7]. However, difficulties in interpretation preclude us from knowing to what extent the biblical writers knew about dinosaurs....The description in Job suggests a hippopotamus or elephant [Job 40:15-24]. Yes, man did at one time co-existed with the dinosaurs.. They had to.
---Catherine on 7/2/13


Warwick, if any one knows about crocodials it should be you.
Their tail sways like a cedar breaking legs! Where do you find them? in the water so it's natural to say "the Jordan should surge against his mouth" .
Nice try though!
---1st_cliff on 7/2/13


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A_servant:

Genesis said Adam named all the animals. This implies all the animals that existed there, at that time. It doesn't say anything about animals that weren't there - e.g. ones that may have lived before before but no longer existed, or didn't exist yet. In other words, one can't dogmatically assert existence or non-existence of other species from this one verse.

It's dangerous to build doctrines on one verse that the Bible says, and even more dangerous to build doctrines based on something the Bible doesn't even mention!
---StrongAxe on 7/2/13


Cliff, read the whole description of Behemoth (Job 40:14-24) and honestly tell us why it is not that of a dinosaur. For example "His tail sways like a cedar","He ranks first among the works of God", "He is secure though the Jordan should surge against his mouth", "can anyone trap him and pierce his nose?"

Someone suggested this may describe an elephant or hippo. Have you seen their puny tails? Would anyone seriously say their tails sway like a cedar?
---Warwick on 7/2/13


Cluny,
Have you seen a hippos tail? Its not even close to the size of a cedar. Not sure what your problem is with man and dinosaurs living at the same time. ALL of the animals and mankind were created on the sixth day. Why is that so hard to accept? The reason why we have fossil evidence is because of the flood, which occurred long after the creation. If people cant accept Genesis as fact then why should they accept the rest? Christ and the new testament writers quoted Genesis numerous times. Did they not believe it to be fact? If you believe dinosaurs died millions of years ago then youre at odds with the bible because man brought death into the world and Adam didnt live millions of years ago.
---jason9835 on 7/2/13


\\(for non-biblical proof, there is cave drawings of dinosaurs in color before we had the technology to excavate them).
---A_servant on 7/1/13\\

Is there some way you can point us in the direction of this within the rules of these blogs?

Of course, I suppose there is no way these color drawing could be based simply on fossils.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/1/13


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In the Paluxy River area of Glen Rose Texas dinosaur tracks were observed in the strata with what looked like human tracks. This has now been shown to be wrong, the smaller tracks are that of the 3 toed dinosaur, some tracks were actually carved to look like human!
Another desperate attempt to support dinosaur and humans co-existing!
Much like the "guessing" that behemoth and leviathan were dinosaurs!
---1st_cliff on 7/1/13


Before dinosaur fossils were discovered people could be forgiven for imagining the descriptions fit with known living creatures. They don't but do fit with a large herbivorous dinosaur and large sea-going reptile.

Many Christians have been duped into believing the long-ages myth and therefore are forced to dismiss Genesis as history. Their attitude towards Behemoth and Leviathan comes from this long-ages view which maintain dinosaurs died out c65 MYA.

This has everything to do with the gospel because it is inextricably connected to Biblical history. Paul says the only reason Jesus came to die and rise again was to overcome the curse (death disease and misery) brought upon mankind by Adam's sin. No Adamic sin, no need of a Saviour.
---Warwick on 7/1/13


In Genesis, it states that Adam gave names to ALL of the animals. If you believe in the Bible, then you will see that micro-evolution can occur, but not macro-evolution, and when this is taken into account, man must have co-existed with dinosaurs (for non-biblical proof, there is cave drawings of dinosaurs in color before we had the technology to excavate them).
---A_servant on 7/1/13


According to palentologists, most dinosaurs were between the size of a turkey and a cow. Obviously, the really big and/or dangerous ones have captured the public imagination, thanks to movies.

Some have said that Job's leviathan and behemoth are alligators and hippopotami, and the Psalter's leviathan is a whale.

In any case, how does this affect our salvation in Christ?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/1/13


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James I do not remember writing of a kangaroos large tail. However if I have it has obviously upset you. Why it would upset anyone I cannot understand.

As to whether God was describing a kangaroo, calling it Behemoth, is so idiotic I will say no more. Maybe you were joking.
---Warwick on 7/1/13


\There were small as well as large dinasaurs.\-James on 7/1/13
Would this include alligators, crocodiles, and Komodo dragons?
Dinosaurs live with us today, but most people
"are only picking the very large dinosaurs."
Regarding the leviathan and behemoth, God pointed them out to Job as "None [is so] fierce that dare stir him up" and "trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth.", respectively.
These descriptions in Job are of huge animals, especially compared to the human, Job.
Kangaroo, indeed.
---micha9344 on 7/1/13


Warwick, Behemoth could just as well be a kangaroo, with its large tail that you always go on about.

And before you try to say that a kangaroo is too small, remember that most dinosaurs were too - you are only picking the very large dinosaurs. There were small as well as large dinasaurs

But I doubt there is anything to change your mind
---James on 7/1/13


Rita, many Christians believe many things. However the vital point is, does their belief fit with what Scripture says? No it doesn't. They therefore hold a belief which is not supported by Scripture, in fact is contradicted by Scripture. Their belief shows a lack of faith in God's word and as Scripture says it is impossible to please God without faith-Hebrews 11:6.

If people are not prepared to believe what Genesis clearly says why should they believe any of the Bible?
---Warwick on 7/1/13


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Sure:

Gen 7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth, and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
Gen 7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail, and the mountains were covered.
Gen 7:21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
Gen 7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.

Dinosaurs were beasts that moved on the earth. They, like all but eight humans died together in the flood. Therefore, they lived together just before the flood.

---jerry6593 on 7/1/13


This is not a difficult question to answer.

Is Genesis to be taken at face value, just as written? Linguist Dr Charles Taylor is adamant Genesis was written as historical narrative.

Genesis is quoted from or alluded to throughout the NT: Jesus and the apostles did so 107 times, always as historical reality. That should settle the matter for any follower of Jesus.

On the 6th day God made both ground dwelling animals, and man. Dinosaurs were land dwelling animals therefore made on day 6, therefore coexisting with man.

The description of Behemoth in Job fits with what we today call a dinosaur, not with any other known creature. Leviathan would not correctly be called a dinosaur as it was a sea dwelling creature.
---Warwick on 6/30/13


We are told in Genesis what God created on each specific day. Those who believe the narrative to be literal believe that humans and dinosaurs were on earth at the same time.

Those who do not accept 'day' means 24 hours but could mean 'millions of years' will say that they did not co-exist.

I believe that 'day' meant 24 hours then just as it does now but I know many people, who call themselves Christians, who do not believe that.
---Rita_H on 6/30/13


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