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Genders In The Bible

Father is masculine, and Son is masculine. Does the Holy Spirit have a Gender distinction?

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Char, that was a wonderful explanation you gave.
---Mark_V. on 1/20/14


Trav and Gordan - my thoughts...

I see their origin as one - with restoration being - In Christ .Jer3(all),Ez37(all)

Gen 1:27 "So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him, male and female created He them."

Gen 2:21 "And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof,"
22 "And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made He a woman, and brought her unto the man."
23 "And Adam said, "This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man."[...]

Blessings brothers
---char on 1/14/14


trav, I wasn't making fun of you please I was just making light of things because womens libbers have almost ruined what women are designed to do. now there is a debate if women can go on the battle field and fight along side of the man. God did not design a woman to do that.
---shira4368 on 1/6/14


trav,
God made the family structure .... we do things men can't do and men do things women shouldn't do.
---shira4368 on 12/26/13

I agree with ya.
My mother & my wife decsribed..
Pro 31:26 She openeth her mouth with wisdom, in her tongue is the law of kindness.
Pro 31:27 She looketh well to the ways of her household, and eateth not the bread of idleness.
Pro 31:28 Her children arise up, and call her blessed, her husband also praiseth her.
Pro 31:29 .... virtuously, but thou excellest them all.
Pro 31:30 Favour is deceitful, beauty is vain: but a woman that feareth the LORD, she shall be praised.
Pro 31:31 Give her of the fruit of her hands, let her own works praise her in the gates.
---Trav on 1/6/14


Cluny: //Eternal does not have a beginning. Angels are created, and thus have a beginning. .. they cannot have "eternal bodies," and we will not either.// Human spirit or celestial body is from the being of God Himself Gen.2:7, it will never die like the human body dies. The death of the spirit/celestial body is its incarceration in hell.
---Adetunji on 1/1/14




trav, you sound like an expert on women. I know men and women who run their mouths about things that is none of their business. God made the family structure and that does not mean women are below men. we do things men can't do and men do things women shouldn't do. it was a sad day when the womens libbers were raising cain. I resent what they did. I liked staying home and raising kids while my husband worked. I worked just as hard as he did but in a different way.
---shira4368 on 12/26/13


In Jesus worship, there is "neither male nor female". If you live spiritually in Jesus (as a spirit), then you have no gender (as a "worshiper"). Jesus always acknowledged people as human being having a gender, but as a spirit living inside His body you are not distinguished either as a male spirit or a female spirit (since there is no gender for spirits inside if Him).

Genesis specifies that human beings were made "male and female He made them".
---faithforfaith on 12/26/13


Trav,
Also, women, in general, are more eager to talk more openly than men.

But, women, by their nature, are quicker to the tongue than men, in general.

And, therefore, have to guard themselves and their tongues a bit more.
---Gordon on 7/14/13

None of the above was a necessary or a measurable generalization. You may be reaching or opinionated in this area.

Men and women generalize about their sexes. I do as well. It doesn't fit what we are discussing. Order is number 1 and number 2.
Which while your heart is good, you research needs re -searched.
Isa_54:6 For the LORD hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.
---Trav on 7/19/13


Trav, The word "women" is also translated as "wives". Wives are to submit to the authority of their husbands while the husbands are submitting themselves to the Christ's Authority.

Also, women, in general, are more eager to talk more openly than men.

NOT saying that men don't talk, they do. But, women, by their nature, are quicker to the tongue than men, in general. And, therefore, have to guard themselves and their tongues a bit more.

Church Services are to be ruled under order, not chaos. Not everybody speaking aloud when ever they feel like it.

This does not change the fact that men and women are equal in value and importance.

It, instead, points out their DIFFERENCES.
---Gordon on 7/14/13


But, they are EQUAL in value and in importance.

Did you get that?
---Gordon on 7/10/13

I get from your doctrines that you are politically correct gender bender.

Value an importance?
There are no values being measured here between the sexes. Each has their functions to preform. Men should not try to be women or women men as you present.
It's called order. Your order seems to be out of order.
1Co_14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak, but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1Co_14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
---Trav on 7/11/13




Trav, Men and women are equal in importance and in value. This has nothing to do with "rank".

In the family household, man is head over the woman, and the Lord Yahushua is Head over the man. I CORINTHIANS 11:3

Men and women....HAVE DIFFERENT ROLES....within the human family structure, and to a degree, in society in general.

But, they are EQUAL in value and in importance.

Did you get that?

Men are not "better" or "greater" than women. That thinking stems from male arrogance.

This is why GOD said that, in Christ, there is "neither male nor female", GALATIANS 3:21. Because both are equal and are one in Yahushua.
---Gordon on 7/10/13


To say that God the Father and God the Son are "Masculine" is not to attribute the limited version of masculinity we are ascribed to as human men.

It is saying that men's masculine attributes were created in the Image of God the Father's.

God the Father's are unlimited.

Men were created masculine in a limited degree.

God the Father is Masculine. He just IS Who He IS.
---Gordon on 7/10/13


Gordon,

Forgive me, I forgot the chapter. 2Peter 2

\\What are you trying to say?\\-Gordon

Exactly what it says
---A_servant on 7/9/13


A_servant, What are you trying to say?

And, what Verse did you quote? You didn't complete the entire Chapter number and Verse number of II PETER.



Peter9556, Maybe it's because God the Father and God the Son ARE of a Masculine nature.

Just maybe??
---Gordon on 7/9/13


A_servant, Btw, "little green men", or, what are better known as "Space Aliens" are demonic spirits.


Little green men from Mars?

They are DEMONIC SPIRITS.


And, I was not "making fun" of demonic spirits.

I know better than to do that.

I was mocking the belief, by some, that there are real "Space Aliens" and "little green men from Outer Space.

There are no such things.
---Gordon on 7/9/13


Just as Eve is equal to Adam.

Just as men and women are equal though different.
---Gordon on 7/3/13

While I understand what you are trying to accomplish....where it is going does not equal truth.
Eve came from Adam. She is second and always will be. It is an order of things. GOD is first. Man is second. Understanding GOD's marriage with Israel helps understand the order.
Jer_3:14 Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD, for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion:

Isa_54:6 For the LORD hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.
---Trav on 7/9/13


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Gordon,

2Peter:

10 This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the flesh[c] and despise authority.

Bold and arrogant, they are not afraid to heap abuse on celestial beings, 11 yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not heap abuse on such beings when bringing judgment on them from[d] the Lord.
---A_servant on 7/8/13


Back to the gender question.....

We have no idea why, but for some reason, God has decided, and clearly, since it is God who decided it, that we should call God and His Son masculine.

We of course have no idea as to whether the masculine there is the same idea as what we take 'masculine' means, but that is more because we are not sure when masculine means if the two are different
---Peter9556 on 7/8/13


Gordon, I know you were joking!

Don't you think the elders listed might be another type? Though the elders in Rev 5 are also surrounding God, not coming to meet us.

I just mean we do not actually know how many any other types God has made.

The term 'angel' literally means something like a 'messenger' - which supports your point as any unfallen creature could do the bearing messages
---Peter9556 on 7/8/13


\\There are no other kinds of celestial living beings floating around out there other than angels.\\

Keep in mind that "angel" is as generic term, including the cherubim, seraphim, and others.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/8/13


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Peter9556, I was only joking about the little green men.

It would not be one of the Four Living Beings because they are forever stationary around GOD's Throne to continually worship HIM.

A_servant, Again, I ask you, What would a "female celestial being" be, if not a feminine angel?

There are no other kinds of celestial living beings floating around out there other than angels. Certainly none that we know of. None that's even mentioned in Scripture.

So, we're back to angels being masculine or feminine.
---Gordon on 7/8/13


It seems to me that most of our Bible translations refer to the Holy Spirit as "He" or "he".

But I understand that the Holy Spirit prepares us, the Bride, for our Groom Jesus. "Usually", to my knowledge, bridal preparation is a female function (c:

But God created both male and female . . . from His own character of love. The best of being a female comes from who God is in love, Himself, I consider. So, I can see that God is the best of everything, male and female (c: He's already perfectly one, like Adam and Eve needed to become with one another.
---willie_c: on 7/8/13


\\Cluny, I have to disagree with you concerning Immortal and eternal life. The two do not mean the same thing. \\

But that's EXACTLY what I've been saying!

Have you not understood what I actually wrote?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/8/13


Gordon,

I'm sorry but Revelation is full of celestial beings other than angels. Again, I'm sorry, but there is no proof that there are female angels.
---A_servant on 7/8/13


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Gordon on 7/7/13 '...a little green man from Mars?'

Probably not!

But what about either one of the four creatures from Rev 4 or one of the twenty-four elders from Rev 5? The four creatures certainly had wings, and while we are not told about the elders, they COULD have had wings!

We just don't know about that creature in Zech 5:9 - though I suspect it is probably an angel, as you say - but we just can't be sure

And an angel is just a messenger - so they may not be all of the same type.
---Peter9556 on 7/7/13


A_servant, And what would a celestial being be if not an angel of some sort?

...a little green man from Mars?
---Gordon on 7/7/13


Cluny, I have to disagree with you concerning Immortal and eternal life. The two do not mean the same thing. Immortal is not having a mortal body, living forever. Mortal means have a body that will die, either physical or spiritual as in a human being.
(1 Cor. 15:37-55) speaks of people as they were born, first in the flesh, Mortal, then at the Second coming, those who alive to Christ will receive new bodies prepared for eternal life with Christ. The lost will also receive bodies prepared for hell. The bodies of both, believers and unbelievers will live forever, incorruptable and immortal, those saved with the Lord, those lost in hell. For there will be no more sin.
---Mark_V. on 7/7/13


my Spirit will never die, I will live forever in heaven because I am a born again christian. our bodies are corrupt just like God made them. God is always referred to He or Him or My. they are the same He.
---shira4368 on 7/7/13


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\\ I've always said we would be given eternal life and become eternal. \\

But that's the point. We can NOT "become eternal". "Becoming something" means to be changed. Eternal implies being changeless, among other things, whereas in the next world, we advance from glory to glory.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/6/13


Cluny, Everyone who has Salvation and Eternal Life will be "eternal" and "immortal" in Heaven.

Likewise, everyone who dies in their sin, without Salvation, will be "alive ETERNALLY" and will be "immortal" while they are in Hell and in the eternally burning Lake of Fire.

Again, "eternal" and "immortal" go hand-in-hand.
---Gordon on 7/6/13


Gordon,

who or what are these women? "They had wings like storks,"

Stork - chaciydah (Female Noun) from the word chaciyd

Chaciyd -


1) faithful, kind, godly, holy one, saint, pious

a) kind

b) pious, godly

c) faithful ones (subst)

Just as a spiritual serpent is a practicer of divination, and an enchanter, a spiritual stork is a holy, Godly, faithful being. Therefore as Satan the spiritual serpent was, and is always evil, it would only make sense that these women are holy ones of God doing the will of the LORD.

But does that mean then that there are indeed female angels? No it doesn't. However, this does show that there are female celestial beings.
---A_servant on 7/6/13


Cluny,

I never said we would be eternal as God is, I've always said we would be given eternal life and become eternal. You've argued with me from day one and have never researched or backed up your idea of the origin of words or scripture, but have only attacked me and others from your perspective, criticizing people's churches and characters, then ending with Glory to Jesus Christ! I can tell you that you speak nothing in love and Jesus Christ does not approve of your "taking up the sword." You defile His holy name every time you slander someone and for that you have no foundation to stand upon. In the name of Jesus Christ, you are as the leaders of Israel, and professing to be wise you have become a fool.
---A_servant on 7/6/13


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A_servant, Angels do not marry. But they ARE either masculine or feminine.

They may not have reproductive parts, but it's not the sexual parts that MAKE one masculine or feminine. Those parts are a "sign" or "mark" of one's gender, which are now used for reproduction and marital pleasure, but for a TEMPORARY TIME. They are only PARTS of the gender make-up. Not the root of it.

The angels Michael and Gabriel are MASCULINE. They have MASCULINE NAMES. Maybe no male sexual parts, but they are still MASCULINE ANGELS.

ZECHARIAH 5:9 shows two FEMALE ANGELS.

The angels have masculine and feminine identity. So, then, shall we.

And, just as those angels in Heaven don't marry, neither will we.
---Gordon on 7/6/13


\\Eternal and immortal go hand-in-hand.\\

But they are not the same, Gordon.

That's the point you're missing and Warwick seems to be getting.

Eternal life is qualitatively different from simply not dying.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/6/13


Clune, If one does not die, or is "deathless", that means they will be alive forever.

When GOD gives someone Eternal Life, they become "eternal" and "immortal".

Eternal and immortal go hand-in-hand.
---Gordon on 7/5/13


---Cluny on 7/4/13

If I understand you correctly, to be eternal, someone or something had to be there from the very begging, and never have died, nor can die

I agree that eternal is different from immortal, but is that different from having eternal life?
---francis on 7/5/13


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In reality only God is immortal (1 Timothy 6:16) as He is so by nature. God gave Adam and Eve immortality, as a gift, one which can be lost, as Adam and Eve found. So as to God immortal is the same as eternal, but not for mankind.
---Warwick on 7/5/13


Gordon, "immortality" is not the same thing as "eternity."

I'm so sorry you don't know the meaning of words.

But you are not the only one who does not, apparently.

"Eternal" means "outside of time." It's a quality of God Himself, and "eternal life" is what is His life by nature--it's something offered to us as a free gift through Christ.

"Immortal" simply means "undying" or "deathless." Adam and Eve were originally created to be immortal, but they did NOT have eternal life, at least not at that point.

It is to be regretted that your worldly denominational church doesn't teach you this.

Glory to Jsus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/5/13


Gordon,

As scripture says, "we shall be like the angels in heaven," which I already addressed in an earlier post. It does not say, "we shall be like the angels in heaven, except for our 'genders in essence' and possible reproductive organs and our complacent sexual drive, negated by the power of God."

Cluny,

To make your argument invalid, I researched the origin of the word eternal. It means literally, to continue forever, or to endure eternally, you're idea of eternal comes from a very young language.
---A_servant on 7/5/13


Cluny, The bodies of the Saints in Heaven won't be eternal?

Honestly, where do you get this c**p from??

The Satanic bible?

"Eternal" in this case means the bodies of the Saints will never know death again.

Have you not read I CORINTHIANS 15:54 and I JOHN 3:2?

"So when this corruptible (body able to die and decay) shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on IMMORTALITY, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is Written, 'Death is swallowed up in Victory.'"

and,

"Beloved, now are we the sons of GOD, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is."
---Gordon on 7/5/13


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\\An eternal body means a body that lasts eternally, not one that was never created and always existed,\\

I'm letting you know what "eternal" means. You obviously do not know.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/5/13


A_servant, MATTHEW 22:30 says "For in the Resurrection, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of GOD in Heaven."

That Verse addresses the issue of MARRIAGE IN HEAVEN, not whether or not we'll have reproductive organs in Heaven.

Yahushua said that there will be no marriage for people in Heaven. That they will be like the heavenly angels which do not marry.

We may not have reproductive organs at all in Heaven. Or if we do, they won't be used for reproduction, but may serve only as "gender markers" of sorts. For GOD can take away the sex-drive and make us as "little innocent children" regarding sexuality.

Regardless,we shall maintain our gender in essence.
---Gordon on 7/5/13


Cluny,

An eternal body means a body that lasts eternally, not one that was never created and always existed, and I never claimed so, you twist my words for no purpose. I said we shall have eternal bodies, not that we have bodies that were always and forever eternal, you do me injustice sir.
---A_servant on 7/4/13


Cluny,
Mt25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Christ said this:Mt22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

I believe both these scriptures teach that God's children have life eternal.
---trey on 7/4/13


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\\In other words, when we go to Heaven we will be in an eternal body as are the Angels now in an eternal body\\

Wrong.

Eternal does not have a beginning. Angels are created, and thus have a beginning. Therefore they cannot have "eternal bodies," and we will not either.

Only God is eternal.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/4/13


in Heaven we shall be "as the Angels," having no reproductive gender as we do today:

In other words, when we go to Heaven we will be in an eternal body as are the Angels now in an eternal body

You will notice that whenever an Angel is described in the Bible, it (he) is always described as a young male, always in the masculine gender. The idea of female angels or heavenly hosts is purely a Pagan perversion of the truth.

the reason that Angels in the Bible are referred to in the masculine gender is done for our (frail human) understanding, in reality the gender of these Angels is not as we would understand gender today.
---A_servant on 7/3/13


A_servant, The very essence of the human soul is marked by gender, whether male or female.

One's personality is masculine or feminine.

It goes beyond just the fleshly body being male or female.


Not marrying in Heaven means just that,

No marriage for human beings in Heaven.

No need to read more into that then what is really there.

And, the Verse of GALATIANS 3:28 that speaks of there being "...neither male nor female...in Christ Yahushua..." means that one gender is not more favoured than the other in GOD's Eyes. Both men and women are equally valuable and important to GOD.

That Verse was added, no doubt, because old culture valued men above women. But, Yahushua set 'em straight.
---Gordon on 7/3/13


The problem here is that so many try to put GOD into a physical realm instead of a spiritual realm. Jesus said that GOD was a spirit and that we worship HIM in spirit.
---KarenD on 7/3/13


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\Jesus taught that when we die and received our new bodies, that we would have no gender...\-A_servant on 7/2/13
How does "neither marry, nor are given in marriage" imply "no gender"?
---micha9344 on 7/3/13


Yes, the Holy Spirit is equal to God the Father and God the Son.

Just as Eve is equal to Adam.


All the Trinity of the GOD-Head are equal but different in Role and Function in some ways, with the same Will, Desire and Goals.

Just as men and women are equal though different.
---Gordon on 7/3/13


\\The Person of the Holy Spirit the third person of the trinity, is equal in essence to God the Father and God the Son\\

Quite right, Catherine!

To say otherwise is to follow the heretical Pnevmatomachs. This issue was settled right after the Council of Nicea at the Constantinople 1.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/2/13


Here is an interesting look at this:

Jesus taught that when we die and received our new bodies, that we would have no gender, and be like the angels in heaven, neither marrying nor being given in marriage. I would now pose this question:

If such creations as angels and us will/do not have genders, then why would even one part or the Trinity have genders that were surpassed by His creation, Holy Spirit, Father, or Son?
---A_servant on 7/2/13


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Does the Holy Spirit have a Gender distinction?
---Gordon on 7/2/13
YES HE DOES

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, HE shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 16:13 Howbeit when HE, the Spirit of truth, is come, HE will guide you into all truth: for HE shall not speak of himself, but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and HE will shew you things to come.

John 16:14 HE shall glorify me: for HE shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Last time i checked HE was masculine

and the NT Greek writers do use the feminine pronoun:
---francis on 7/2/13


Clune, Why did I ask the same question twice?

To get you to respond twice.
---Gordon on 7/2/13


Since we are the Bride of Christ, we must be female as well.
Or, only Yehashua has a true gender distinction, Jevovah only identifies Himself as a certain gender, and any gender identification alluded to for the Holy Spirit is much like my first statment, secondary and misrepresentative at best.
---micha9344 on 7/2/13


Why did you ask the same basic question twice, Gordon?

"To Agio Pnevmati" in Greek is Neuter--and Greek HAS both female pronouns and feminine grammatical gender, despite the misinformation you spread elsewhere.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/2/13


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Spirit (ruach Heb) is feminine in Greek it is neutral ,and rightfully called "it"! God's Holy power!
---1st_cliff on 7/2/13


Oh my goodness what a question! NO! The Person of the Holy Spirit the third person of the trinity, is equal in essence to God the Father and God the Son....The Person of the Holy Spirit was present when the world was created [Gen.1-2].
---Catherine on 7/2/13


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