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//Jesus trumps Paul
Deal with that!
---Nikki on 7/9/13//
our Lord wrote no book. Meaning His words recorded by Paul are no less inspired or authentic than those recorded by Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, and it is most important to bear in mind that while the four so-called "evangelists" recorded His words spoken while on earth, Paul proclaimed the message of grace which He committed to him later, from His glory in heaven.
---michael_e on 7/9/13


So Kathr, what is Rom_14:11-12 saying to you, if not!
"every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God."

Peace
---TheSeg on 7/9/13


Deal with it Markv.

What you are saying is not one soul was saved before Gid gave Israel the Gospel. Possibly you don't know what the Gospel is Markv.

Tell us, or rather show us that Gospel you say God only gave to Israel.

Can't wait to see what you come up with.

So your saying even Abraham was not shown the Gospel? Remember Abraham was not the Nation Israel.
---kathr4453 on 7/9/13


Markv, I won't waste my time on you anymore. The SEED was promised in Genesis 3:15. Abel being told by Adam re : SEED, which is Christ. Abel's BLOOD sacrifice OFFERING God accepted.

Do you think for no reason Abel just killed a lamb and offered it to God believing this was acceptable , if God first had not established THIS WAS ALL THAT WAS ACCEPTABLE TO GOD.

Hebrews 11 clarify that fact recorded in Genesis re: Abel' s BLOOD SACRIFICE offering. Otherwise we need to get PETA involved for animal cruelty.

To deny these truths just because it doesn't fit your false gospel is beyond blasphemy.

You claim you were rebirthed TO SEE something? You don't see anything. I'm sad for you, but must REJECT you as a reprobate.
---kathr4453 on 7/9/13


Yet Christ only said "this do in remembrance of me!"---TheSeg

Don't argue with me, just believe in Jesus' Words.

He said, not me:
To have eternal life you must drink my blood and eat my body.

Are you saying Jesus isn't speaking in John chapter 6?
How are you going to bring up another Gospel and verse and claim that's all He said???
There are 4 Gospels.
Luke 22:19
"this do in remembrance of me!" Which we do in the Holy Mass daily.

We have Holy Communion daily and repeat Jesus' Words as He commanded us to do.

The question is are you obedient to Luke 22:19?
Because the RCC is obedient to Luke, John, Matthew and Mark.
---Nikki on 7/9/13




shira4368: most Christians know calvanism is so false we can smell it. it goes directly against God's Word

Calvinism is too similar to the views agreed upon by most denominations to be condemned that way.

As far as I can tell, you are picking one or two things Calvin wrote and condemning those.

If you want to talk about Calvinism in total, you would have to read some if his major works before condemning him
---Peter9556 on 7/9/13


Marc - on 7/8/13 - God decrees that only few will do this ,

Matthew 7:14 - Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way which leadeth unto life, few there be that fine it,


Ezekiel 36:27 - And I will put may spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my Statutes, and keep my judgments and do them,

( If God wanted to save all he could )
---RICHARDC on 7/9/13


marc, most Christians know calvanism is so false we can smell it. it goes directly against God's Word. thanks for your post.
---shira4368 on 7/9/13


Kathr, when you give a passage at least interpret it correctly. You give (Rom. 2:14-17) to conclude the Gentiles had the gospel. They did not have the gospel. The passage is talking about the Gentiles who did not have the law, but had it written in their hearts. The Law Kathr not the gospel. All the people women and children died in their sins. There free will meaned nada, zero.
"for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified" (Rom. 2:13) and there was no doers of the Law to save. For no one kept the whole law.
The Law and the Gospel are two different things.
---Mark_V. on 7/9/13


TheSeg, Romans 14 does not say every knee will bow and consess Jesus.
kathr
Rom_14:11-12!Try reading it!

Jesus Himself told us how we are to obtain eternal life.
Baptism Mark_16:16 and Eating and drinking his Body and blood John_6.
Nikki
Luk_22:19 Disciples ate and drank his body, right there with him!
Were they now saved? Yet Christ only said "this do in remembrance of me!"

Act_1:5 Christ told his disciples!
Ye shall be baptized with the (Holy Ghost) not many days hence! (Baptism!)

(It is the spirit that quickeneth),(the flesh profiteth nothing):the words that I speak unto you,they are spirit,and they are life.

The Bible points to Christ, Christ points to The Father!
Blind Guides
---TheSeg on 7/9/13




\\Hitler killed himself, so do you think he had the right mind to repent and seek the Lord?\\

If you're not in your right mind, you are not morally responsible for your actions.

\\ His actions showed a man demon possessed right up until his death.\\

The same thing applies. In true demonic possession, the individual's will is suspended, and hence is not morally responsible.

Try again.

\\You said, "In Judaism, one is saved and redeemed by being part of the saved, redeemed people," Oh yea? Well how do they get saved and redeemed. \\

You quoted the answer at the beginning here.

\\Both words mean the same thing.\\

No, they don't.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/9/13


The most important piece of wisdom given in the Bible is Jesus saying to us "Love God with all your mind". Yet, according to Calvinists, God decrees that only a very few will do this. So, the most important becomes the least important, demonstrated by the very fact that the Calvinist God wishes only a few will do it when he could have had ALL people do it i.e. Love him.

I would have thought the most important would have the most do it because, well, it's the most important. What a strange "God" the Calvinist one is.
---Marc on 7/8/13


"But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works." (Romans 4:5-6)
Care to explain these verses?
---Marc on 7/5/13

Marc
Your answer is found in (Romans 4:4).
Those who were born under the Law of Moses, were under an obligation to keep the Law.That was the work Paul was speaking of.
If I am wrong, explain (Romans 2:13) & (John 14:21).
---David on 7/9/13


Deal with this! For it is written!
As I live, saith the Lord!
Every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
You guys have no idea!
Peace---TheSeg on 7/8/13

We do, but you keep spinning.

All knees will bow in hell as well. Confess God name as well. Satan knows who God is, but he still wasn't Saved.

Jesus Himself told us how we are to obtain eternal life.
Baptism Mark 16:16 and Eating and drinking his Body and blood John 6.

Jesus trumps Paul
Deal with that!
---Nikki on 7/9/13


TheSeg, Romans 14 does not say" every knee will bow and consess Jesus.


Philippians says, Every knee will bow and confess Jesus Christ IS LORD TO THE GLORY OF THE FATHER. 1/2 quote it is a misquote The Seg, just as taking only 1/2 the truths of scripture and ignoring the others. Some call it a lie. I was being kind.

You are very careless with the Word of God, TheSeg. I don't care for careless people who carelessly manipulate God's Word to say what THEY want it to say. God's Word can stand on it's own, without all your help. Some may understand it better without your help. the Holy Spirit is our help in understanding scripture. we don't need you, or MarkV, or Christan to interpret scripture. We are not RCC here.
---kathr4453 on 7/9/13


The Problem with TheSeg, MarkV, and Christan, is we know most of these, maybe all came out of the RCC where the norm was that someone had to tell them what the Bible said.

They failed and still fail to grasp the fact that part of the overthrow of the RCC during the reformation was that WE NEED NO POPE TO TELL US WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS.

That salvation is PERSONAL, not a GROUP THINGY. They still have this GROUP THINGY going on, that Calvin himself couldn't break from, called the Protestant POPE. For a reason. Just look at his CONTROL OVER Geneva. His control over "His truth" or death.

Know who these people are and where they came from.
---kathr4453 on 7/9/13


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Cluny: "Don't forget that "salvation" means something entirely different in Judaism from what it means among Christians."

Your biblical ignorance is coming out again. OT salvation is identical to NT salvation - by the blood of the Lamb. Judaism pointed forward to the Cross - Christianity points backward to it. If it were not so, why do YOU follow a Savior who continually quotes from the OT?



Mr. Seg: What is this new concept of "forced salvation" against one's will? How is that different from the predestination ruse?



---jerry6593 on 7/9/13


kathr, yes I know, youve made that clear.
But thats just why you can understand that in Romans 14:12
Its clearly saying you will (give account of himself to God!)

and Philippians 2:10-11 is saying:
At the mere mention of the name Jesus Christ, you should bow your knee
and (confess that Jesus Christ is Lord!)

And youre saying these two statements are saying the same thing??
When the words are so clearly written??
And you have the nerve to tell me, Anyone can do that!

People, is kathr speaking the truth?
Did I misquote Romans 14:12?
Are these two statements Romans 14:12 and Philippians 2:10-11
Saying the same things?
Peace
---TheSeg on 7/8/13


"Do you think Jews who never asked to be saved will be in heaven," Cluny
Now Cluny, you know that I never said that. Why would you indicate that I did?
Hitler killed himself, so do you think he had the right mind to repent and seek the Lord? His actions showed a man demon possessed right up until his death.
You said, "In Judaism, one is saved and redeemed by being part of the saved, redeemed people," Oh yea? Well how do they get saved and redeemed. Both words mean the same thing.
Paul also had problems with those who were in Judaism in his day.
---Elder on 7/8/13


Philippians 2:9-13
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth, And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.


TheSeg, this verse is in Philippians, not Romans. I like to keep verses together, and not take parts of verses from here and there and piece meal them together to say what I want.

Anyone can do that. I can even make a verse say "the donkey dropped his fig leaves" if I wanted to.
---kathr4453 on 7/8/13


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Christianet!
Kathr said "I misquoted!"
So why not post??

Kathr!
Just in case, let's read the following lines together!

From the top: Romans 14 is talking about the way you judge each other.
In the things you see in each other.

Now you said I, "misquoted that verse!"
The verse right before that says!
But why dost thou judge thy brother?
Or why dost thou set at nought thy brother?
For we shall all stand before (the judgment seat of Christ.)

The one right after that!
So then every one of us (shall give account of himself) to God.

I think your confusing it with, at the very mention of his name, every knee should bow, and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord!
Peace
---TheSeg on 7/8/13


\\So you indicate that Hitler, the Jew murderer, will be in heaven with the Jews even though he never asked to be saved.\\

Do you think Jews who never asked to be saved will be in heaven, Elder?

Don't forget that "salvation" means something entirely different in Judaism from what it means among Christians.

In Judaism, one is saved and redeemed by being part of the saved, redeemed people, not because one asked YHVH to come into one's heart and accepted Him as the personal savior.

OTOH, you don't know what was Hitler's final conscious thought and act of will before his soul left his body, now do you? How do you know it was not, "Jesus, have mercy"?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/8/13


Why Elder
Don't you think I know just how foolish I look in your eyes?

//The concept that you and Seg are pushing really states that we can live any way we want and God is going to force us into salvation anyway.//
I cannot speak about Love.wins to you!
But, Im not telling you to do anything, you have not done already!

What? You don't think I see the way you fall down and pick yourself up again and again? Always asking God to pick you up.
But always trying to stand on your own!

Hitler! Now there a bad man, right!
Certainly! He should never and will never be forgiven by God. Right!
Psa_3:2

Elder your right, as you can clearly see!
Peace
---TheSeg on 7/8/13


When we believed the gospel(1Cor 15:1-4), we became part of the body of Christ. Since we are in His body, we are counted as crucified with our Lord Jesus Christ. We died with Him, were buried with Him, and rose from the dead with Him. We are part of His body, having been baptized into His body(1 Corinthians 12:12-13) We are seated with Him in heaven. Our citizenship is in heaven, and we are ambassadors (2 Cor 5:18-20) on this earth, just as if we were living in a foreign country.
We are a new creature.(2 Cor 5:17).
(Romans 6:3-8)we are baptized not into water, but into Jesus Christ, and thereby into His death, and we are risen from the dead with Him
---michael_e on 7/8/13


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"The Bible says God is the Saviour of all mankind. So all mankind can be assured that God will save them. It's rather glorious, don't you think?"
Love.wins
The concept that you and Seg are pushing really states that we can live any way we want and God is going to force us into salvation anyway.
So you indicate that Hitler, the Jew murderer, will be in heaven with the Jews even though he never asked to be saved.
There is not enough space to explain how much in error you are. We must seek the Lord while He may be found. Read the Bible you will see.
---Elder on 7/8/13


The Seg, you misquoted that verse, it says every tongue will confess Jesus Christ is Lord. Yes even at the great white throne judgement before many are on their way to Hell, they will have to confess Jesus Christ is Lord. But confessing that then will not save them.


Oh here is one I love, Job says, I KNOW that MY REDEEMER liveth and I will see Him in the last days. Job believed in the resurrection. He believed in the ONLY REDEEMER there has ever been. Job, a Gentile lived before the Nation of Israel.

The PROMISE given to Abraham was 400 years before the Law of the Nation of Israel, BY FAITH was NEVER annulled by the Law or anything given to Israel the Nation.

Reread Romans 4.
---kathr4453 on 7/8/13


The same thing applies to Salvation. It is a GIFT that I can refuse to accept.
Nice try.
Nikki

Nice try?? You think I'm trying?
See there again, to you it looks like I'm trying.
But I'm not trying!

I'm straight out telling you, you cannot refuse God!
No one, but no one can withstand God.
You only think you can, because you think God is giving you a choice!

Deal with this! For it is written!
As I live, saith the
Lord!
Every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.


For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

You guys have no idea!
Peace
---TheSeg on 7/8/13


well Mark, for Able, Noah Enoch Abraham who by the way was not a Nation or Israel WERE SAVED MarkV, by faith. Hebrews 11 say so, as well as Romans 4. Job was also saved too. So MarkV get off you high horse and stop twisting scripture to meet your false gospel.

Romans 1-2 say those before the flood will be judged by the Gospel. May want to reread it.
---kathr4453 on 7/8/13


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Romans 2:14-17

14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another,)

16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.


Deal with it MarkV.
---kathr4453 on 7/8/13


Christ declared, "For many are called, but few are chosen... that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life". Are these words of the Savior teaching the sinner that it's up to him to decide whether he can go to the Son of God by his imaginary "free-will"?

Far be from it!

For Christ explicitly declares, "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father." John 6:44,65

These are verses that's the heart of the Gospel, denied of by lovers of free-will. Woe be to you!
---christan on 7/8/13


1. Yes, but the moderator is free to decide if my posts reach the blogs (c: I hope this answer does not get this post banned (c: lololololololol

"Don't take anything for granted!!"

"ok, ok, I'll be good "

2. We have assurance, if we have what the Bible says is assurance > I think of 1 John 4:17 > "Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment, because as He is, so are we in this world." (1 John 4:17)

"Bible assurance is not only Bible say-so with verses, but what God has actually done to make us perfect in His love making us 'as He is' 'in this world.'"
---willie_c: on 7/8/13


TheSeg, Believe me Jesus Christ would NEVER tell you anything different than what is in the WORD. He would actually stand by His Word.

We also see in Hebrews 3-4, the PROMISE was already theirs, but they had to get up, stand up WALK over and claim the Land, which they didn't. Just saying "OH I believe", look, there it is, and EXPECT to just put on their red shoes and tap their heal three times............well, even that would include their involvement too.

Abel's Sacrifice, Noah' MOVING WITH FEAR, building that ark, and Israel actually having to enter the Land......all by faith, all by PERSONAL involvement.

TheSeg, HE told me these truths. To ask again would be to DOUBT Him called NO FAITH, and double minded.
---kathr4453 on 7/8/13


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No it wasn't. You took the analogy and added to it!
No where did I say I didn't tell you about the cake.
Nikki on 7/7/13


I beg to differ. There were many places in invitation.
Where you deliberately left out the part about the cake!

Did you not read your own letter??
Or maybe you just don't remember the things you wrote in the invitation.

I mean according as it is written. It's either that!
Or you are not the original author of the invitation!

I'm sorry! But the fact is you are starting to sound more like a fraud to me.
Then the original author of the invitation!

I'm just thank God, I remember him saying.
Many shall come claiming authorship.
Joh_10:5! Peace
---TheSeg on 7/8/13


Kathr, if you just answer the questions and stop talking so much about so many things all at one time, you say,
"Hebrews 11:7
By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house, by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith."

We know that only Israel had the gospel Truth. All the other nations never had the chance to know the gospel. yet when the flood came, they all died. What happen to their own free will? What about the children and babies who died? Did they reject Jesus? God spared no one. God does what He wants, not what you tell Him to do. Get off your high horse Kathr, you are not God.
---Mark_V. on 7/8/13


Now with this in mind, go back to Nikki cake analogy!
You and Nikki should both know the analogy was just wrong and that's the truth of it.---TheSeg on 7/7/13

No it wasn't. You took the analogy and added to it!
No where did I say I didn't tell you about the cake.

So now because you refuse to eat the cake it is because you didn't know about it?

HOW can you REFUSE to eat something what you don't about???

If you refused the cake, then you knew about the cake in order to refuse it.

The same thing applies to Salvation. It is a GIFT that I can refuse to accept.

Nice try.
---Nikki on 7/7/13


Like it or not, TheSeg, this Is GOD's WORDS and GOD's way.
Faith without works IS DEAD.
kathr
You should try stand-up, you're pretty good.

Wow! What shall we say now? Faith without works IS DEAD!
I know, I won't say anything!

Why don't you take a walk with me and we'll go ask Christ the Lord, together!
Then said they(us) unto him(Christ), What shall we do, that we might work the (works of God?)

Jesus answered and said unto them, (This is the work of God),
(that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.)

But you like many don't understand what's really being said by:
This is the work of God, do you??

Maybe one day we'll even talk about Noah too!
Peace
---TheSeg on 7/8/13


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Hebrews 11:7
By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house, by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith..

Like it or not, TheSeg, this Is GOD's WORDS and GOD's way.

Faith without works IS DEAD.

Hebrews 11 makes that point OVER AND OVER AND OVER. And James re-iterates this IN THE NEW TESTAMENT.
---kathr4453 on 7/7/13


You know that verse I just posted in Hebrews 11 concerning Noah goes far deeper than anyone here can imaging. May want to meditate on EVERY WORD OF THST VERSE, in the exact order it was stated by God.

Remember Jesus warned too that before the end, it will be just like in the days of Noah.

Noah didn't sit around bragging he was the elect, or beating Calvinism over anyone's head did he?

So, taking that que again from Noah, also knowing The Lord is coming, and those who have not yet been saved from the wrath to come need to be warned...I prefer to warn, and let the braggarts answer for their lack of concern to God on Judgement day.
---kathr4453 on 7/7/13


BrotherSeg, there are some here which are awesome prove of what God has said that He does and He will do, for He's still working today.

For example, Christ declared, "For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned," even worse still for these hypocrites, the Lord declared "It is the spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."

Yet, they tell us they can hear the Word without even being first "quickeneth by the Spirit", that it was they chose to hear by their free-will, which Scripture doesn't even support nor teach.
---christan on 7/7/13


kathr, I must agree with seg. it really boils down to one thing. God sent His Son to die for our sin. that is the bottom line and nothing else matters. we are new testiment believers and the old testiment is rituals and history. it does show the bloodline of Jesus that satan tried to destroy all thru the old testiment and into the new testiment. all this minut stuff is silly and I mean silly.
---shira4368 on 7/7/13


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You want to know what really stick in my throat!
You talk about Hebrews_11 the very first line says.

Now faith is the (substance!)
of things (hoped for!)
the evidence of things (not seen!)
Even this is not clear to you!

Then (not just you) go on to try to establish righteousness by works! Something you do??
//It seem that Abel's sacrifice was why he became an HEIR of RIGHTEOUSNESS.//

Not even trying to understand it was (by faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice) than Cain!
Everything in that chapter talks about faith. (BY FAITH!)

Then you go on to believe Abel's sacrifice pointed to Christ's.
As if it's from man to God?? The sacrifice is only from God to man, Gen_3:21!
Peace
---TheSeg on 7/7/13


Yea just like all who talk and talk and talk never ending, talk!
You are more than welcome (to try to understand what God is telling you.)

All things were ordained by God, (BEFORE!) THE VERY FOUNDATION of THE WORLD!
This is why you should stop your nonsense!

You somehow think you're glorifying God with the way you talk.
Just like many here, who think they are the voice of God.
But you have neither heard is voice nor seen him shape at any time.

And yet I can stand here and tell you, neither you nor anyone else has anything to worry about!
God has seen to that, Mat_12:7! But, you don't see it nor understand it!
Yet, it's right in your face!
Peace
---TheSeg on 7/7/13


No kathr I don't
TheSeg

-------------------------------------------------

Ok TheSeg, thanks for letting us know where you stand here. So Hebrews 11 is just a farce to you?

It seem that Abel's sacrifice was why he became an HEIR of RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Abel's sacrifice pointed to Christ's sacrifice, as all OT sacrifice pointed to Christ's sacrifice.

Thanks for letting all know YOU climbed over some OTHER WAY.

I don't know what you think you climbed over to, but it's not eternal life TheSeg.

Thanks again for letting all know here you claim to have established your own righteousness apart from the Righteousness God established and rewarded Abel with.
---kathr4453 on 7/7/13


Romans 3:25
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God,


What TheSeg is testifying to is called APOSTASY.
Apostates deny redemption through the Blood.

Just as OT saints were saved BY FAITH in the Blood, pointing to Christ, we today have faith in the BLOOD OF CHRIST, who once and for all did away with sin.

For without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sin.

So exactly what did you put your faith in?
Only those who eat His flesh and drink His blood HAVE ETERNAL LIFE.

Tell us TheSeg, how have YOU done this claiming eternal life?
---kathr4453 on 7/7/13


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Assured salvation if you are truly saved.
The question, What must I do to be saved? Paul's answer, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ..., (Acts 16:31). the gospel of grace is clear, we are saved by grace through faith, without works. (Rom. 4:5). For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast (Eph. 2:8,9).

FAITH IN WHAT?

What does it mean to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ? It's true Christ must be the object of our faith (Acts 16:31), Paul makes it clear we must believe something ABOUT Christ, to be saved. Faith in Christ includes believing correctly about His PERSON and His WORK.

I Cor 15:1-4 defines the gospel in its simplest form
---michael_e on 7/7/13


So Seg, you don't believe that salvation was first established in Genesis showing sacrifice through blood?
kathr4453

No kathr I dont!

Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am, that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Gen_3:11 Who told thee that thou wast naked?
No one is ever naked before God.
His Glory, is your covering!
Peace
---TheSeg on 7/7/13


So Seg, you don't believe that salvation was first established in Genesis showing sacrifice through blood?

Here then lies your problem in your whole understanding of salvation and faith.

If you fail to understand the basics, then you fail to understand anything about God.
---kathr4453 on 7/7/13


kathr4453

The analogy, was not mine, but Nikki. I simply responded in (kind.)
See you guys are looking at God as if (well I don't know what your look at)
God gave the world his Word, Christ! Bow your heads!

Now try to understand this!
For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Now with this in mind, go back to Nikki cake analogy!
You and Nikki should both know the analogy was just wrong and that's the truth of it. Try reading in and round Rom_1:23!

Analogies are good only for fool.
Peace
---TheSeg on 7/7/13


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Servant: "I know where I'm going."

1Co 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.



---jerry6593 on 7/7/13


Grandma, you asked,
"1. Are we here on ChristiaNet free to reply to any post in any thread here?"
Yes,
Then asked,
"2. Does the Bible gives us assurance of salvation here and now?"
The Bible, the Word of God. God in His word is always faithful.
"...so that you are not lacking in any spiritual gift, as you wait for the revealing of our Lord Jesus Christ, who will sustain you to the end, guiltless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. "God is faithful, by whom you were called into the fellowship of His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord"
God is faithful, He provides us with any spiritual gift we need, as we wait on the Lord Jesus Christ who will sustain us.
---Mark_V. on 7/7/13


kathr4453 whether you believe or don't believe make no difference to me!
Mat_5:36, you or I cannot change anything.

Now you want me to prove God gave Abel some "magical something"(faith!)
He did not give Cain? Cain and Abel both brought offerings to the lord, didnt they?

You know Cain believed the lord would take his offering. But he didn't.
Gen 4:4-5
Instead of being wroth, Cain should have also had respect to Abel offering!

Being grateful, that the lord would even have respect to any man offering!
This would mean you would have to put your brother first!
If you could understand this, you also would put your brother first.
You know, Joh_13:34,15:9,15:12!
Gal_4:16? Peace
---TheSeg on 7/7/13


TheSeg, cute analogy, however it does not apply to salvation.

If eating the cake is what gives life, and Nikki knew you must partake in the eating of the cake to have life eternal, certainly she would not have baked the cake and not told you about the importance of EATING THE CAKE. So I say she TOLD YOU about the cake, but you failed to show up, presuming she saved you a piece SUPPOSING the cake was specifically made for YOU.

I say the cake was made for ALL, and ALL that came to EAT the cake giving life received that life. You simply missed out.

But again, according to your doctrine, if you didn't know about the cake to begin with, YOU were never one of the elect.
---kathr4453 on 7/7/13


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Nikki, I'm sorry I wasn't there for the cake, you said you made for me!
But as you can clearly see, I didn't know:
It is a gift.
You decided to bake it for me.
You paid for ingredients.
You paid for the oven and gas used to bake the cake.
You took the time to decorate the cake.
But aside from all this, I believe!

If you were really making it for me, and you love me as much as you say you do!
You would have saved a (peace) for me or at the least made sure I was there!
Before you started baking it!

Because you see I have something for you too!
And don't worry, you won't miss it!
God's Peace
---TheSeg on 7/6/13


The English term faith is a translation of the Greek noun "pistis". However, an interpretive problem arises from the fact that the English language doesn't include a verb form of faith.

As a result, the Greek verb "pisteuo" is rendered believe in the Bible. "Pistis", or faith, signifies a firm conviction based on hearing and is in reference to faith in God, Christ, or things that are spiritual in nature.

However, our English word believe encompasses a wide variety of definitions. Simply acknowledging that something exists has become synonymous with belief. It is in that vein that people will admit that they believe in God, without necessarily embracing any doctrine about Him.
---christan on 7/6/13


And the Word was made flesh(Christ), and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God(Christ), so that things which are seen(everything!) were not made of things which do appear(Christ).

No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

kathr4453, if I were to ask you whether or not you have seen Christ.
No matter how you answer it, you are a liar!

He that hath seen me hath seen the Father,
and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Peace
---TheSeg on 7/6/13


\\TheSeg, exactly what do you believe? And you say what ever that is, you believe, because God gave you some magical something to be able to believe God? \\

I cannot say with certainty what God gave or withheld from Cain.

I DO know that the Bible says that faith is a gift of God. "To everyone is given a measure of faith."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/6/13


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TheSeg, exactly what do you believe? And you say what ever that is, you believe, because God gave you some magical something to be able to believe God?

So now prove God gave Abel some "magical something" He did not give Cain. It all starts here FAITH IN THE COMING REDEEMER, being obedient to that belief stated in Genesis 3:15, that kept Cain from believing and obeying too? So why then did God give Cain a second chance TO DO what was right? How Could Cain have done what was right if he was refused the knowledge of what was right?

Are you saying you have some other kind of faith than Abel? Prove it? prove you have something ABOVE those in Hebrews 11.
---kathr4453 on 7/6/13


3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Ok TheSeg, use this verse. HOW EXACTLY was the Worlds framed by the Word of God?

You say you have some magical POWER to believe and understand this. demonstrate that magical power here and now, and tell us HOW "you understand" this. You claim to see things NOONE else can see or understand.


Rule #1 YOU CANNOT use any scripture to tell us how you UNDERSTAND or Believe God Created the worlds by the Word of God. Why, because ANY ONE CAN READ. So you must own something beyond simple reading and believing what you read.

Or else you're ALL TALK.

.
---kathr4453 on 7/6/13


This is what youre saying!---TheSeg on 7/6/13

No. Salvation is 100% from God.

If I mix a cake, bake and decorated it to your taste.
Who did all the work, you or I?
The work is 100% mine. You didn't do anything!

But just because you refuse to eat the cake it doesn't mean the work wasn't 100% mine.

It is a gift.
I decided to bake it for you.
I paid for ingredients.
I paid for the oven and gas used to bake the cake.
I took the time to decorate the cake.

You didn't do anything.
Including eating it!
---Nikki on 7/6/13


No kathr4453 I believe (Him) who justifies the ungodly!

He said he would! Even my faith was given to me!
That is why I believe it, not because I believe it first.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, (while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.)
Rom 5:9 Much more then, being (now justified by his blood), (we shall be saved from wrath through him.)
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, (we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son), (much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.)
Peace
---TheSeg on 7/6/13


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"Does the Bible gives us assurance of salvation here and now?" Yes.
"The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are saved it is the power of God." 1Cr 1:18
Jesus Himself said "All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out." Jhn 6:37
Jesus is salvation for "by his own blood entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us." Hbr 9:12
"And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us an understanding, that we may know Him who is true, and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life." 1Jo 5:20

---josef on 7/6/13


Marc, great verse..

To him that WORKETH NOT, but believes on Him who Justifies the ungodly.

1: it says belief is NOT A WORKETH THINGY.

2: but believes on Him who JUSTIFIES THE UNGODLY.

This says you must admit you are ungodly to be justified. So you can't be saved first, making you a righteous person and THEN believe. And it sure doesn't say, believes on Him who Justified the ELECT already made righteous by the sovereign right of God.

And for anyone to say belief/ is "a work" where one saves themself has failed to read the countless scriptures where God CLEARLY defines faith VS WORKS as two entirely different things. Works is works of the LAW, and no one can be saved by keeping the LAW.
---kathr4453 on 7/6/13


Salvation according to the Holy Bible is all 100% of God! The sinner contributes nothing but is merely the beneficiary of God's mercy and grace, period.---christan on 7/5/13

As long as I accept the gift of Salvation.
Nikki on 7/5/13

As long as I accept the gift of Salvation?
So its not 100% of God!
Because you have to accept it!
So it really 100% up to up isnt it.
This is what youre saying!

Peace
---TheSeg on 7/6/13


The Bible says God is the Saviour of all mankind. So all mankind can be assured that God will save them. It's rather glorious, don't you think?
---Love.wins on 7/5/13


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David says: "By Good, Paul means to walk in the way of the Lord, to walk in a way that pleases God." I think you've taken Paul's words out of a very long and complex context.

In any case, Paul later on states unequivocally, "But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works." (Romans 4:5-6)

Care to explain these verses?
---Marc on 7/5/13


Salvation according to the Holy Bible is all 100% of God! The sinner contributes nothing but is merely the beneficiary of God's mercy and grace, period.---christan on 7/5/13
Amen to that
---francis on 7/5/13


Salvation according to the Holy Bible is all 100% of God! The sinner contributes nothing but is merely the beneficiary of God's mercy and grace, period.---christan on 7/5/13

AMEN!
As long as I accept the gift of Salvation
---Nikki on 7/5/13


If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself."---christan on 7/5/13


So it is Christian and MarkV who testify one can be saved apart from faith or belief in Christ.

Yet if I recall, that verse says nothing about "Justification" through faith.

NO ONE let me repeat NO ONE can be Justified except through FAITH period. anything else is BLASPHEMY and scripture taken totally out of context. Abraham's lapse re: the promised child to them, Isaac, bringing in Ishmael, in no way thwarted God's promise, the Seed God promised in Genesis 3:15.

The Majority of Israel did not enter the PROMISED LAND, yet God remained faithful and their children did enter.

---kathr4453 on 7/5/13


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Salvation according to the Holy Bible is all 100% of God! The sinner contributes nothing but is merely the beneficiary of God's mercy and grace, period.

"God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord. Faithful is He that calleth you, who also will do it. But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil. If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself." 1 Corinthians 1:9, 1 Thessalonians 5:24, 2 Thessalonians 3:3, 2 Timothy 2:13

The Arminian god is nothing but a joke and useless god. That's because their salvation depends wholly on the sinner 100%. Their god is powerless in saving them if they don't agree to be saved.
---christan on 7/5/13


But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church, and let him speak to himself, and to God.


If there be therefore any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies,

Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report, if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.


For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God!

Freedom from doubt is his gift to you!
Praise ye the LORD
Peace
---TheSeg on 7/3/13


1 John 5:13 - These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God, that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

John 5:24 - Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation, but is passed from death unto life.

It is a dangerous condition to believe that you do not know whether or not you are truly saved until you die. I can tell you with unfaltering confidence that I will enter heaven laughing and smiling with joy beyond measure, I know where I'm going.
---A_servant on 7/3/13


2 Peter 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:


Colossians 1:22 .. to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

Colossians 1:23 IF IF IF ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and [be] not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, [and] which was preached to every creature which is under heaven, whereof I Paul am made a minister,
---francis on 7/3/13


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Grandma
If you mean, can you be saved today by being baptized or through saying the sinners prayer, the answer is no.
Paul clearly tells us in Romans 2:6-7 that Eternal Life is a reward for those who continually do good.
By Good, Paul means to walk in the way of the Lord, to walk in a way that pleases God.
How do we know what pleases God?
This is why the Jews were given the Law of Abraham, and we were given the Law of Christ.
---David on 7/3/13


Does the Bible gives us assurance of salvation here and now?

Yes, because of Jesus' death and resurrection.

The problem is our part. We can deny Jesus minutes before death, just as we can accept Him minutes before death and are saved.

We have assurance, but not total assurance until we are in Heaven.
We are sinners until our last breath.
---Nikki on 7/2/13


Grandma,

1. Yes

2. If we continue to follow GOD's Spirit, and not the flesh, until the End, yes.
---Gordon on 7/2/13


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