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Believe In God's Existence

Many people who decry Biblical Christianity take refuge in the declaration, "But, I believe in God." James warns against the idea that simply believing in the existence of God is somehow sufficient to guarantee eternal safety. What are your thoughts to James 2:19?

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Warwick, I am disappointed at your answer. Why would you even mention that the election of God is a game of chance? Why? Then to argue you give: "1 John 1:9 says If we confess our sins God is faithful to forgive us." If you read the context, the passage is speaking to the beloved, those who are saved already, who sin after they have been saved. Those who believe are continually been convicted by the Spirit and the reason they go to God with Christ as their Advocate. The cleansing come from God. then give "Isaiah 45:22 "Turn to me and be saved,...."
Thats the universal call of the gospel. Who turns to Him? those who have been born of God already. The lost do not seek after God (Rom. 3:11).
---Mark_V. on 7/14/13


Marc/Kathr, you have given nothing to support you view that man a will that is free by God. You have never been able to accept the Truth and there is a reason why. Jesus said,
" Why do you not understand My speech?" "because you are not able to listen to My word" know why you cannot listen to the words of Christ? (v.44) because
"You are of your father the devil, and his desires you want to do." Did you hear that? Do you have ears to hear? The lost are not able to listen to anything Jesus says. Not able. You say they are able with their own free will. Nonsense. Jesus calls you a liar. You are doing the desires of you other father. "for he is liar and the father of lies"
---Mark_V. on 7/14/13


MarkV,

I don't ignore your biblical quotes. On the contrary, time and time again I have pointed out to you that you take one verse out of context and think it's a slam dunk winner.

It's you who ignore this point. You clearly demonstrate that you have no humility by ignoring the fact that you slice up scripture and ignore the bigger picture your quoted verse is set in.

You're stifled by your hatred and actually blame God for your son's unbelief. That is blasphemy.
---Marc on 7/14/13


James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God, thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Although believe in God is important, That alone is not enough

As a SDA, i do believe that God exist, and that in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Others claims with their lips that God is the creator, but as James is pointing out, the lack they faith that should follow and justify that belief. Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.James 2:17
---francis on 7/14/13


James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God, thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Although believe in God is important, That alone is not enough

As a SDA, i do believe that God exist, and that in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Others claims with their lips that God is the creator, but as James is pointing out, the lack they faith that should follow and justify that belief. Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.James 2:17
---francis on 7/14/13




Christian, you are pitiful in your belief that God chose a few men to save and condemn all the others. for a moment I thought you have served in the marines. you need to be born of the Spirit then you could understand spiritual things.
---shira4368 on 7/14/13


shira4368, if anyone who should keep quiet, it's you and your deadly doctrine. That's because you have no biblical support to your theory.

But here is support that what you teach is nothing but lies from the pits of hell. This is what Scripture declare of those who came to believe in Christ, "and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed"

And this is what Scripture declares of those who are in unbelief, "even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed." 1 Peter 2:8

See anywhere here, it's because of the man's free-will to choose to belief and be in unbelief?
---christan on 7/13/13


Hello," when people say I believe in God" here my vs. Col.3:16,Jas.1:22
Jas.1:22-25,Ro.8:14-17Now if we are children,then we are heirs- heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ,if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.We have to be followers,living our lives led by him,we are no longer our own.In short , creedence,belief is not enough!
---lidia4697 on 7/13/13


us free willers believe God loves every single human and every single human can be saved. we have a choice and this horse is tired. if anyone don't believe we can choose to reject God or accept God then you just need to keep quiet. this subject is over and over and over.
---shira4368 on 7/13/13


Mark 1 John 1:9 says If we confess our sins God is faithful to forgive us. This cleansing from all unrighteousness is God's work, But triggered by our confessing our sins. Isaiah 45:22 "Turn to me and be saved,...." You promote a lottery with a preordained result where there is no heart-felt turning or confession on our part, because you say it is only about what God does. Therefore our confession of sins and turning isn't by necessity heart-felt but just some meaningless unnecessary thing we do as puppets. If we have the correct 'lottery' number we are bound for salvation. Others, without the number are bound for eternal damnation. What a horrible unjust gospel!
---Warwick on 7/13/13




markv, you need to get your doctrine correct. how many times must God die for us...the sinner. if you have the nerve to believe you are so special to God and others aren't you are nuts. markv, that don't even make sense. do you honestly believe your son was not born to be saved? gee, I feel bad for him. then that settles it, you don't need to pray for anyone especially the ones condemned by God to spend eternity in hell. you can just relax and let satan destroy your family and you can't do one thing about it....that is your belief right? God chose all before the foundation of the world to be saved.
---shira4368 on 7/13/13


I think that what the " no free will" people mean to say is that is it God who initiates our salvation,and our call to repentance, and that we of our own free will would never come to God except that he loved us first, while we were yet sinners, and died for us.

I do not think they mean that God has determined ahead of time that he will create some people for the sole purpose of sending them to hell to burn, and some to be saved. This would mean that if one who was a sinner, heard the gospel, and accepted Jesus as his saviour, and walk upright before God all his life, he would still be cast into hell, since that is where God created him to go in the first place.
---francis on 7/13/13


Shira, you need to get the story about the elect of God corrected. You keep looking for loopholes to disagree on the Sovereign right of God to do what He chooses to do with His Creation. The election by God of certain individuals in Christ was done before the foundation of the world.
This individuals will be born physically in sin as everyone else, but at some point in time will be born of the Spirit together with Christ and become His children. No one knows who they are. Not even the elect know they were chosen to be saved. All genuine believers are of the elect. God knew which individuals were going to be His children. I just wanted you to understand who they are.
---Mark_V. on 7/13/13


Man's free will to obey or disobey, chose life or chose death, will NOT alter the plans and purpose of God one tiny bit.

Again, God's will from beginning to the end does not depend on YOUR salvation one way or another.

Jesus is still coming back for His Church.

Jesus is still going to reign 1000 years

Satan and death will be done away forever.

There WILL BE a New heaven and earth.

THERE WILL BE those of their own free will who CHOSE LIFE through Jesus Christ, enter into it for all eternity.

Is this God too much for you to grasp and wrap your head around? If you say Yes....GOOD.

My God can't be put in a box, and be told what he can and can't do based on my lowly human understanding.
---kathr4453 on 7/13/13


Kathr, you want to change the words of Jesus Christ, go for it, to your condemnation. As Richard said here earlier, there is two gospels preached on CNet, a gospel of man works (his own free will) to salvation, and his own free will to losing salvation, and a the gospel of God (where God is not only the originator of your salvation, but also the sustainer of your salvation.
One puts the dependency on man, the other put their dependance upon God. One gives the glory to man for doing such a good deed towards Christ, the other gives the glory to God for all things. All of you who reject the Salvation by God good luck, Oh, with God there is no such thing as luck.
---Mark_V. on 7/13/13


Marc or Kathr, I give you Scripture and you clearly reject it. Jesus says,
"This is the Work of God, that you believe in Him who He sent" Jesus does not contradict the Word of God, Here again:
"Moses called all Israel and said to them, You have seen all that the Lord did before your eyes in the land of Egypt, to Pharaoh and to all his servants and to all his land, the great trials which your eyes have seen, the signs, and those great wonders,, "Yet the Lord has not given you a heart to perceive and eyes to see and ears to hear, to this very day" (Deut. 29:2-4). Those people had what you call free will, yet
Without God they could not perceive the things of God, see or hear.
---Mark_V. on 7/13/13


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Mark V, psychologically transferring his own viciousness to God, omits the context of John 6.

'They said to Him, What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?
Jesus answered, This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent....And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life, and I will raise him up at the last day.

If no free will, then Jesus speaks one tautology after another.

Mark V, you're no Paul of Tarsus i.e. get some theological training before you open your mouth.
---Marc on 7/12/13


Salvation is all of God's Grace to bring us into the Kingdom.
But those who have received the Kingdom keep the commandmentsf of God AND havs faith of / in Jesus Christ. Rev. 14:12
Many declare thier faith in Jesus, but have refused to keep the commandments of God. That is not going to cut it.
By refusing to keep some of the laws and commandments of God, they are living in sin,and rather than confessing those sins, they deny that they have sinned. 1 john 1: 5-10
---francis on 7/12/13


"Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass, I have purposed it, I will also do it."
Isaiah 46:10,11

Does this declaration by God sound like the man's freewill is at work? Ya right! Now we know why Titus 1:16 was written, "They profess that they know God, but in works they deny him..." That's right, God Almighty is at the mercy of the man's freewill to choose Him. How absurd can one be!
---christan on 7/12/13


Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God, but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

very interesting
---francis on 7/12/13


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Titus 1: 15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure, but even their mind and conscience is defiled.

16 They profess that they know God, but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.


Christan, this is what James also is talking about. So those who think James is teaching ANOTHER Gospel, any want to take heed that PAUL wrote Titus, showing FAITH without works is DEAD!
---kathr4453 on 7/12/13


Believing in God will never save anyone, however believing that God sent His Son, made flesh, born of a virgin,Jesus Christ to die for our sin and rise again for our justification WILL.

This Paul TOO says is the OBEDIENCE of Faith, stated clearly in Romans 16. For the OBEDIENCE of faith. So even Paul never taught faith was a gift that could not be refused. The Spirit of GRACE, the Holy Spirit is who draws you to CHRIST, and upon OBEDIENCE of Faith, Christ brings you to the Father.

This is NT Salvation. Please don't INSULT the SPIRIT OF GRACE anyone. We see in Hebrews what will happen to those who do. God's warning to those who do.

FREE WILL at work.
---kathr4453 on 7/12/13


francis, you are a heretic, believing in the wrong Jesus. How can you understand? Now say,
"This is CONTRARY to predestination. BOTH the believers and the unbelievers have free will to believe"
Believing in the Lord Jesus Christ is the work of God not man.
The real Jesus said, ""This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent" (John 6:29) It has nothing whatsoever to do with the free will of man. All who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ is because God' makes the sinner believe in His Son.

Shira, Jesus does not save the saved. He saves the sinners, unbelievers. And those unbelievers He saves, are the elect, chosen from the foundation of the world to be save.
---Mark_V. on 7/12/13


"John 12:47-48 these verses prove that someone can reject Christ. The choice is to accept or reject." Elder

Choice? Even rejecting Christ is the man's choice? Hmmm... let's see what Peter has to say to your understanding.

"And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed." 1 Peter 2:8

Peter declares explicitly here that unbelievers were "appointed" just as believers were "elected", both of God Almighty. Like it or hate it, it's the written Word of God on His Sovereignty to do as He pleases.
---christan on 7/12/13


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markv, how can God draw the saved? God is accessible to all. you certainly was not born saved and no one else is either. God draws the unsaved. that is why we must witness to the unsaved. do you ever witness to anyone? is it because you think they are condemned already. we are all condemned at birth. even you.
---shira4368 on 7/11/13


He who believes in Him is not condemned, but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." (John 3:18).
---Mark_V. on 7/11/13
This is CONTRARY to predestination

BOTH the believers and the unbelievers have free will to believe


Acts 26:27 King Agrippa, believest thou the prophets? I know that thou believest

Acts 26:28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.

FREE WILL AT PLAY
---francis on 7/11/13


Heretical francis, you say,
"---Mark_V. on 7/11/13
Oh i see you are saying that those who are not save have already been Judged, and sentensed to death?"

Here let me help you,
"He who believes in Him is not condemned, but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." (John 3:18).

Do you have ears to hear? All who do not believe in the Lord Jesus Christ are condemned already. They will appear at the Great White Throne of Judgment, for sentencing. Before you argue something, at least know what you are arguing about. Heretics do not understand, so I give you a break for not knowing what you are arguing about.

---Mark_V. on 7/11/13


Christ meant nothing to me until I realized that my life was only a short privilege and my sin guaranteed everlasting punishment. I am a Christian because of what Christ did for me. Now, it is the only way to live.

We are surrounded by people who want to live life to the fullest, but are destined to die in their sin without the gospel. What brought you to Christ will bring them as well if they believe
---michael_e on 7/11/13


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"do you actually believe God doesn't draw all to Himself." That's correct. Because not all are saved. The passage in (John 12:32) "I will draw all peoples to Myself" is not to be understood of all human beings, when on the cross, but rather the gathering of those in Christ, believers, the elect as their Head and Representative when He was crucified for them, or of the collection of them, through the ministry of the Apostles.

Mark_V.

I agree no universal salvation. But your stand that predestination is true then makes you say this verse does not mean what it says. Your Theology rewrites the verse. Our Theology must follow the Bible not bend it to our wishes.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/11/13


---Mark_V. on 7/11/13
Oh i see you are saying that those who are not save have already been Judged, and sentensed to death?

When did God judge them?
Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

If Judgment happen only AFTER we are dead, and if judgment STARTS with those in the house of God, when were these unsaved judged?
---francis on 7/11/13


Shira, you asked,
"do you actually believe God doesn't draw all to Himself." That's correct. Because not all are saved. The passage in (John 12:32) "I will draw all peoples to Myself" is not to be understood of all human beings, when on the cross, but rather the gathering of those in Christ, believers, the elect as their Head and Representative when He was crucified for them, or of the collection of them, through the ministry of the Apostles. (v. 31) speaks of the judgment of this world, meaning many are already judged and will be sentence at the Great White Throne of judgment. If they had been drawn to God, there would be no judgment for them. The Bible does not contradict. There is no Universal salvation.
---Mark_V. on 7/11/13


"We can just agree to disagree on that."
Love.wins
Please explain your thoughts to me. Do you believe that no matter how a person responds to the Lord or lives God will still save him against his will? Can I think and make choices in all things except my position with God? Would God save me even though I wouldn't want to be saved?
Would God break my door down after He knocked and I didn't answer?
---Elder on 7/11/13


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Elder, the question is, are you for real? You deny the words of the Bible because there is no way you can accept it. Because if you do believe it, then your whole concept of free will goes out the door. And you fight for your believe even when you are wrong.
(Romans chapter one, does not say everyone receives the gospel of Jesus Christ. Nowhere does it say that. What it does say is that what may be known about God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world, His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse." That is not the gospel Elder.
---Mark_V. on 7/11/13


aka, thanks for explaining about Bible belt. I didn't realize they were a source for such doctrine. ---Haz27 on 7/9/13

Haz27. what i mean is there are a lot of "believers " but they continue to do exactly what they want to do.
---aka on 7/10/13


Nana, all those are great scripture passages. Thank you and God bless.
---Love.wins on 7/10/13


"The determinig factor lays in the heart of the individual."
Elder on 7/10/13
Yes indeed. That is how God set it up.

Love.wins,

Isaiah 1:1-20
"... Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet..."

John 6:66_68 "From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life."

2 Peter 1:10 "Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:"
---Nana on 7/10/13


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Paul even concurred by writing, "for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth" Romans 1:16, and again in 1 Corinthians 1:18 "but unto us which are saved it is the power of God." Only free-willers will deny this doctrine vehemently.

Thank God, scripture confirms scripture. christan

I am a free willer and I believe that this verse is correct. We are saved by the power of GOD. You deny what JESUS said. Jhn 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all [men] unto me.

So which one of us is not following all scripture?
---Samuelbb7 on 7/10/13


Pharisee, God's love is indeed inescapable and He is indeed Lord over all. God bless you.
---Love.wins on 7/10/13


Elder, you are telling me, then, that although it is God's will that all be saved, his will is thwarted by human choice and thus will not be carried out. Okay then, that answered my question. We can just agree to disagree on that. Thanks.
---Love.wins on 7/10/13


who can thwart His will?
---Love.wins on 7/10/13

I love this way of thinking, it describes God as Lording his will over all creation inescapably. Either God is not doing that or he is.

If he is you need to ask yourself why it's his will that someone become a serial rapist, or start false religions or any other heinous thing in the world and pick which of these is true.

Either

a) God forces his will

or

b) He isn't

or still yet

c) He isn't except in matters of his immediate sovereignty.

(Hint: only one of the three is correct)
---Pharisee on 7/10/13


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Love.wins, God/Jesus was/is the sin offering for all mankind.
Salvation is available to all. In Genesis Abel offered the correct offering, his brother, Cain did not. Cain's offering was rejected by God.
It is God's will that all be Saved. Christ loved and died for the whole world but no where in Scripture does God force someone to be Saved.
The determinig factor lays in the heart of the individual.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved, but, v16, all have not obeyed.
Notice the list in Rev 21:8. Those who refuse to believe are listed there.
Jesus came to save not to judge. His words shall judge mankind and they shall receive accordingly as they desired/lived in this world John 12:47-48.
---Elder on 7/10/13


wow wow markv, you lost me here. you are still on this free will thingy. do you actually believe God doesn't draw all to Himself. He calls all but a few go. you don't get that do you? bro elder's wife is like a magnet and it ain't with food either. she is brilliant in bible as is her husband. you honestly don't know what you are talking about. sorry sis jareldeen you cook but this goes further than food.
---shira4368 on 7/10/13


I'll repeat my questions which were not answered. The Bible says that God is the Saviour of all mankind. So wouldn't this mean that all mankind will be saved? I don't see how it could not. And the Bible says it is God's will that everyone be saved. If this is the case, who can thwart His will?
---Love.wins on 7/10/13


"in your story, those who didn't come was because they never heard your wife was giving food."
Mark_V.
Mark are you for real or do you always post things you know nothing about?
Every member of our church knew about this dinner. This was a true story not something made up.
The Bible also states that every person has had the Gospel of Christ revealed to them. Romans 1 proves this. As I've all ready explained some accept, some reject.
---Elder on 7/10/13


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Elder, you give:
"John 12:47-48 these verses prove that someone can reject Christ. The choice is to accept or reject."
We know those lost reject Christ. We know those who make a choice for Christ is because God is their Father. Those that refuse or reject Christ, is because the devil is their father. They don't hear Jesus.
"Jesus said to them, "If God were you Father, you would love Me,.." (John 8:42). Why do they not hear the words of Jesus? "because you are not able to listen to My word. You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do." (John 8:43,44). in your story, those who didn't come was because they never heard your wife was giving food.
---Mark_V. on 7/10/13


Haz27, your understanding of John 6:28,29 is completely erroneous. MarkV rightly explained what it meant. Verse 28 was a question the Jews put to Christ for they wanted to be justified by the works of the law. But Christ knew their hearts and went straight to the point about faith in verse 29 and established that believing is the work of God unto salvation.

Paul even concurred by writing, "for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth" Romans 1:16, and again in 1 Corinthians 1:18 "but unto us which are saved it is the power of God." Only free-willers will deny this doctrine vehemently.

Thank God, scripture confirms scripture.
---christan on 7/10/13


Cluny correct, it is a beginning
he that comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him.
God makes known/reveals the Son when and how He chooses
---Chria9396 on 7/10/13


love wins, I went back and read your and elders post and he did answer your question. point being all people will not be saved because they chose to reject God.
---shira4368 on 7/10/13


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Elder. I agree but it does not answer my two questions.
---Love.wins on 7/10/13


Love wins, my wife prepaired a meal for an entire church in Maryland. About 3/4 of the people showed up. The meal was there for them all. Yet, the only ones that were fed had to come to the table. Some chose not to come.
John 12:47-48 these verses prove that someone can reject Christ. The choice is to accept or reject. The words that Jesus spoke will condemn those who fail to come unto the Lord.
Christ died for all but all will not come to Him.
Rev 22:17, come whosoever will. The defilers will not come Rev 21:27. Why do you think they are not written in the Book of Life?
Notice the two classes of people in Rev 22:11-17 The "whosoever" will come and the "unjust" will not come.
---Elder on 7/9/13


thanks bro. elder. I'm glad you see my good side. I don't want anyone seeing my bad side. lol
---shira4368 on 7/9/13


aka, thanks for explaining about Bible belt. I didn't realize they were a source for such doctrine.

MarkV. Regarding John 6:29 the "works of God" note the verse before for context. They asked Jesus "WHAT SHALL WE DO, that we might work the works of God"

And regarding Matt 6:33 I made a separate, but related point about seeking God's righteousness (instead of seeking righteousness by works of the law as some, even today, do in rebellion against God).

Regarding Rom 3:11 where you were separating the lost from the saved, that verse is actually referring to ALL mankind being guilty before God. We were ALL sinners needing Christ.
---Haz27 on 7/9/13


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Elder, my only questions would be, how can God be the Saviour of all mankind if all mankind are not saved? And since it is God's will that all be saved, then who can thwart His will?
---Love.wins on 7/9/13


Haz27, I believe you misinterpreted (John 6:29 and Matt. 6:33). You said "Our works" but the Bible says, "God's Work" You put man in His place.
"Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom I sent" Did you hear that? It is the work of God that we believe in Him.
Then you give (Matt. 6:33) Which is speaking of those who seek God. Only believers seek God. The lost do not seek God (Rom. 3:11). You took two passages, combined them together to teach about man's works.
The reason believers do God's work is because the Spirit of God is guiding them, they were appointed for good works (Eph. 2:10) we are His workmenship.
---Mark_V. on 7/9/13


Love.wins, I love interacting with folks like you. You answer without thinking someone has attacked you. Attacking (anyone) on CN is not my purpose, explaining the Gospel is. Some do not understand that.
The great "restortation" that takes place has nothing to do with someone getting Saved in "the end." The earth shall be restored to its original position before sin entered. The earth has a curse on it because of Adams sin.
We can not build a concept based on a few words here and there but on the whole of the biblical doctrine presented in the Word of God.
Your statement did imply just what I said, the freedom to pratice sin and the accept Christ at a second chance. That is not possible according to the Word.
---Elder on 7/9/13


Dear Shira, God has given us great comfort in friends like you, here on ChristiaNet and in real life.
You are and have been an inspiration to us. Your desire to serve the Lord is impressive and positive. There will always be a home for you at the Campground ministry if you ever need it. God bless and keep you and all those you love and hold dear to your heart. May He also bless our enemies, even those that may appear for a short season on CN.
To know you is to love you and your stand. Those who love Christ will love and respect you.
---Elder on 7/9/13


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Elder, I did not say that or imply it. I am only saying what the apostle Paul wrote, that God is the Saviour of all mankind, and that he is reconciling the world to himself. There will be grave punishments, but in the end a great restoration. God bless you!
---Love.wins on 7/8/13


amen bro. elder: hell doesn't enlarge itself for no reason. that just means the more the people the bigger the habitation. plus that means the gate to heaven is straight and narrow. that should tell us a few things. elder I appreciate your knowledge. that is what drew me to your and ms Jareldeen. God brought us together for a reason.
---shira4368 on 7/8/13


"God will bring everyone into His love somehow, now or later."
Love.wins
So, according to you we can live any ol' way we want to. It makes no difference because somehow some day God is going to save us.
That is pure satantic lies. The Bible testifies of no such thing. If you believe this then you are lost. This concept is not trusting Christ for Salvation for there is no trust involved. Also, there are no second chances after death.
---Elder on 7/8/13


"Since the Bible says it is God's will to save everyone, and that God is the Saviour of all mankind, God will save everyone eventually." Love.wins

Really? Then He be failing miserably, His Son said "for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat". Does this sound like "God will save everyone eventually"? What kind of gospel are you teaching?

And Peter must have been wrong when He wrote, "And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed."

There's nothing worse then calling God a liar.
---christan on 7/8/13


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My thoughts are that James and Paul agree that a person who follows GOD changes. They love GOD not self. If we say love GOD and do not love others then we are lying. See first john.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/8/13


"Leon, not exactly. God will bring everyone into His love somehow, now or later. He must, for his plan is to reconcile the whole world to himself."
---Love.wins on 7/8/13


Your "somehow" obviously shows you don't know & you're making it up as you go. You would do well to stick with God's Script (the Bible) & lean not on your own understanding (imagination).
---Leon on 7/8/13


//Our works are to BELIEVE IN JESUS, John 6:29.//

you must not live in the bible belt of the USA.

none of OUR works matter.

if works do not follow... that is, if the spirit cannot do God's works through you, your belief will burn like straw.

if there are works of you and not of the spirit, your works will burn like dry twigs.
---aka on 7/8/13


Our works are to BELIEVE IN JESUS, John 6:29.

In so doing we show that we seek the kingdom of God and His righteousness, Matt 6:33.
We submit to God's righteousness, Rom 10:3, Phil 3:9.

The thief on the cross did this and was told by Jesus that "today you will be with me in paradise"

Demons may believe in God but they will NEVER submit to His righteousness.
---Haz27 on 7/8/13


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Leon, not exactly. God will bring everyone into His love somehow, now or later. He must, for his plan is to reconcile the whole world to himself.
---Love.wins on 7/8/13


Christian, everyone will talk a out God but try talking about Jesus Christ and see what your reception will be. It won't get off the ground. God is not the man upstairs, HE is not Daddy, HE is not papa, HE is God. Satan believed God because he use to be in heaven, but his belief isn't for salvation. His belief is because he knows God is real.
---shira4368 on 7/8/13


"Since the Bible says it is God's will to save everyone, and that God is the Saviour of all mankind, God will save everyone eventually."
---Love.wins on 7/8/13


So "you're saying" God will save even people who don't want (aren't willing, choose not) to be saved or perhaps think they don't need to be saved? After all, humanity has no choice in the matter? Regardless of your best arguments, Scripture doesn't come remotely close to saying anything resembling that L.w!
---Leon on 7/8/13


Since the Bible says it is God's will to save everyone, and that God is the Saviour of all mankind, God will save everyone eventually.
---Love.wins on 7/8/13


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//What are your thoughts to James 2:19?//

James is an obvious extension to the Lords earthly ministry. There is not a verse in the book that is written to a Gentile saved by the gospel of the grace of God in this dispensation. Instead, it is written to the remnant twelve tribes who need to be exhorted to continue in good works to enter into life.

The book of James will once more be applicable to the future remnant of Israel that will participate in the earthly kingdom the Lord promised to them.
---michael_e on 7/8/13


"God has caused them to believe, since people don't have free will to believe what they want to. So you can't hold their beliefs against them." Love.wins

And the apostle Paul has this to say to you: "What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

Therefore hath He mercy on whom He will have mercy, and whom He will He hardeneth. Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth He yet find fault? For who hath resisted His will?

Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to Him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?"
---christan on 7/8/13


love wins, we do have a choice but I have come to believe when a person is saved they don't have a choice anymore. we are children of God. Go God directs our paths. we obey God or face the consquences.
---shira4368 on 7/8/13


Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
Mar 12:31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

Jas 2:17 So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
Jas 2:18 But someone will say, "You have faith and I have works." Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works...

Jas 2:22 You see that faith was active along with [Abraham's] works, and faith was completed by his works,
---aka on 7/7/13


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It would appear that whatever people believe, God has caused them to believe, since people don't have free will to believe what they want to. So you can't hold their beliefs against them.
---Love.wins on 7/7/13


Chris: Many intellectually believe in god(s), but don't believe (hear & adhere to) the One True & Living God. It's all about putting one's faith in action. James instructs us not to be hearers only, but doers of what we profess by faith to believe.
---Leon on 7/7/13


Belief in some sort a deity could be a beginning for some people.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/6/13


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