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Drawing Line On Sin

Where do we draw the line against tolerance of sin? My cousin is gay. Do I not allow her to "hang out" with my family? Do I let her come over, but not her lover? Or let them sleep in separate rooms? I am so confused between not judging, and not "calling evil good"!!!! Please help!

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To Char , blessing to you my Sister up this morning commend you on your post 7-14-13, think it really strikes a good message for both the believer & the sinner. Thankyou, so much, it is power online...strengthen the people of God , you are a Sister not a lot (smile) a words, but your teachings about God always heartfelt, encouraging & it's a joy to have you on here.love of Jesus! Lidia 4796
---lidia4796 on 7/27/13


Mark_V.:

Oh, I'm terribly sorry. I meant Matthew 25:31-46 - the separation of righteous and wicked like sheep from goats (for some reason, I got that confused with Matthew 18).
---StrongAxe on 7/24/13


Stongaxe, you have to make yourself clear, what Judgment are you talking about in Matthew? There is two judgments seats, the one for believers called "The Judgment seat of Christ" or the "Bema Seat" where rewards will be given and the bad things will be burned.
And there is the "Great White Throne of Judgment" Where all unbelievers go for sentencing. They have already been condemned (John 3:18,19). There is no rewards there but degrees of punishments.
---Mark_V. on 7/23/13


Mark_V.:

Jesus described the final judgment in Matthew 18. People were judged for reward or punishment - not based on their faith or doctrine, but based on their actions, i.e. how they treated others. Those saved didn't KNOW why they made the cut (not applicable to Christian with faith, as they KNOW in whom they believe, and are sure of salvation). The same was true of the wicked - they honestly believed they were saved, but were wrong.
---StrongAxe on 7/22/13


Where do we draw the line against tolerance of sin?
---Linda on 7/7/13
"I will not sacrifice the Enterprise. We've made too many compromises already, too many retreats. They invade our space and we fall back. They assimilate entire worlds and we fall back. Not again. The line must be drawn here! This far, no farther! And I will make them pay for what they've done!"
---francis on 7/22/13




"... which teaches that those who are drawn by the Father and only those, will be taught by the Father"
---Mark_V.
That's a twisting of simple scripture.
Only those who have not only heard but learned will come to Christ. Explain how men are taught of the Father and have not leaned? Isn't it just as Christ teaching daily and some were afraid to confess him, other did not believe, others rather kill him and some others not only believed but followed him?
As to Isaiah 7:15, have you not learned that it is not about food but about learning? On that account he said as he taught the multitudes, "Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me, for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls."
---Nana on 7/21/13


Nana gives,
"I meant to say that God does not force man to do good." Those in Christ are "His workmanship created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them"
Then say,
"Also that man is taught and learns to discern between good and evil." from (John 6:45) which teaches that those who are drawn by the Father and only those, will be taught by the Father (John 6:44).
Then give "Isaiah 7:15 "Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good." This passage is talking about the Lord Jesus Christ, not mankind.
Anything without faith in Jesus Christ is sin.
---Mark_V. on 7/21/13


//If man was made in the image of God//
Adam was made in the image of God Gen. 1:27 Sinless
We follow the image of Adam Gen. 5:3 Sinful
---michael_e on 7/21/13


Nana says,
"For someone who harps constantly of God's Sovereignty, you deny his power and his work."
I never deny the power of God. I deny that those who are lost when they do good things, they are sin, because they are not done out of faith in the Lord.
When believers do good things they are good because they do it out of faith in Christ and God gets glorified as God, and the believer gives thanks to God. Unbelievers do not thank God when they do good things the reason they are sin. Anything without faith is sin. In the eyes of man, Mother Theresa did a lot of good things, but if she did them without faith in Jesus Christ, all her works were sin.
---Mark_V. on 7/21/13


Man is taught and learns to do good (maybe), he is not made to do good.
---Nana on 7/20/13

If man was made in the image of God, that he was made to do good. Man not doing good is not a result of how he was made, it is a result of sin
---francis on 7/21/13




"\\Man is taught and learns to do good (maybe), he is not made to do good.\\

I disagree."
---Cluny on 7/20/13

I meant to say that God does not force man to do good. Also that man is taught and learns to discern between good and evil. Isaiah 7:15 "Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good." The (maybe) springs from: "John 6:45 "It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me."
---Nana on 7/20/13


\\Man is taught and learns to do good (maybe), he is not made to do good.\\

I disagree.

God DID make man to do good. Be fruitful and multiply, replenish the earth,....till the garden--these things are good in themselves, especially if God told man to do them.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/20/13


Hello,My dear friend Sis.Shira4368,please receive my most heartfelt condolences for you and your entire family. I will put a prayer for you, somewhere on CNT. It takes me time, but you know I definitely will be put a prayer for you & also, my own everyday prayers.. you, Trish,Darlene1, Mary, Anyone ..keep the prayerRoom a must too! My heart goes to you, I know you going to be moving, also May the Lord keep you & the folks helping you move be under the blood of Jesus!
---lidia4796 on 7/20/13


For someone who harps constantly of God's Sovereignty, you deny his power and his work. God created the heavens and all therein and sat them in their orbit and called it done.
Same thing with man, once he created them he said to them, "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth." He wakes not man at night and says, "multiply". Man naturally multiplies just as the planets follow their orbits.

Man is taught and learns to do good (maybe), he is not made to do good.
Matthew 28:19-20
Isaiah 1:16_20
---Nana on 7/20/13


Shira, you got it from me. Prayers for you and their families. peace
---Mark_V. on 7/20/13


I need prayer for my niece's son. He was found dead in Yellowstone park Thursday. His family needs prayer. I do know what they are feeling now. Please pray for me. I am praying the rest of my move will go smoothly.
---shira4368 on 7/20/13


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Nana, without God first making a person alive together with Christ, he can never confess he is a sinner against God. So when someone seeks God and want to confess his sins, it is because He already believes in the Lord Jesus Christ by faith. He is already born of the Spirit. When a believer does good things, God gets the glory. Any good works an unbeliever does is sin. For anything without faith is sin. For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven on unbelievers,
"For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen..., so they are without excuse because although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful..." (Rom. 1:20,21).
---Mark_V. on 7/20/13


"There is no human merits involve, it is all of grace from beginning to end."
m5

Romans 10:10 "For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."
Hebrews 12:14 "Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:"

You give the ways of the Lord a dirty and bad name, but then, what else can a worm grovelling in the mud do?


Romans 2:5_6 "But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, Who will render to every man according to his deeds: "
God defines what is meritorious in man.
---Nana on 7/19/13


Nana says,
"If the elect will perish unless they confess, election is not true and all this cat denies is the truth."
None of the elect will be lost. Confession, water, or indulgences saves no one. God saves individuals. There is no human merits involve, it is all of grace from beginning to end.
---Mark_V. on 7/19/13


markv, you still misquoted what scripture says. I never said he was talking to sinners.
---shira4368 on 7/18/13


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2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."

If the elect will perish unless they confess, election is not true and all this cat denies is the truth.

We have heard of this happening:

2 Timothy 3:1_6 "This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,..."
---Nana on 7/18/13


Shira, Peter is talking to believers about the elect of God in (2 Peter 3:9). Your missing out on the Truth. If God did not want all sinners to perish why did Peter say in (2 Peter 3:7) "But the heavens and the earth which is now preserved by the same word, "are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men"? If He didn't wish any sinner to perish why would He have something reserve for the ungodly men? All who perished before the flood were ungodly, your saying He doesn't want them to perish. They perished already. Peter was speaking of the elect, the us, the beloveth from (v. 3:8). The "any' refers to those whom the Lord has chosen and will call to complete the redeemed.
---Mark_V. on 7/18/13


God said He didn't want ANY to perish and you came in with something you made up. you said God didn't want any of the ELECT to perish. God is talking about all sinners and not the "elect".
---shira4368 on 7/17/13


Shira, you say concerning election,
". you will lead many away because if God already has made His mind up there is no need to spread the gospel."
Do you not understand no one lost can be led more away then he already is? What do you do? Put them in the back of the line? Further back?
God already made up His mind. He does not live in time. He knows who will be saved and who will not be saved. He ordained that way. But here on earth no one knows who the elect are. No one knew you were one of them. So before you could be save someone had to bring the gospel to you. That's why God is patient not willing that any of His elect perish. Before its all over, all of the elect will one day be made alive together with Christ.
---Mark_V. on 7/17/13


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Holy Spirit 1Cor 2
Lk 5:32"I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."
Jms 3 (all)Prov 24, Prov26,Prov26 (all)
Jms 3:10-17 "Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessings and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be."[...] "But the wisdom that is from above is first pure and then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be entreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy."
Acts 5:31-32"Him hath God exalted with His right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins."
"And we are His witnesses of these things, and so is also the Holy Ghost, Whom God hath given to them that obey Him."
---char on 7/16/13


All I know is the Gospel message. If It is sow in love. Is you cousin born again? Is the other person born again? You ask for things you already have in you. When you invite them over don't be judgmentally to them just ask them both are you born again. If they say yes, ask them how? If the say I believe in God that is not born again. Don't say that to them Your goal is to convent not condemn. share the Gospel message not judgment "Jesus die for us" God so loved the world he gave us Jesus, works fine. What we could not do he gave to us. works fine. These are Gospel things. You have sow the Gospel let it convict. The Holy Spirit is alot better at that than we could very dream of being.
---Bryan on 7/15/13


John 6:39 - And this is the father will which hath sent me, That all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, But should raise it up again on the last day,

Romans 10:14 - How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believe? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard ? and how shall they hear without a preacher,

Romans 10:17 - So faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God,
---RICHARDC on 7/14/13


We are to stand on truth. This day in age should not be a surpise to us.
The instructions are set - In Stone.
Teach and bring up your children in the The path/way.
We know of this day spoken/written of/by the prophets of/in the Word of God.
We love the sinner - hate the sin - stand - do not allow it within our home/gates.

God Has chosen His witnesses so that "Who so ever" believes...

He alone knows the heart, He will bring them to you if need be.
Y'sha- His Word - delivers,saves,rescues.
---char on 7/14/13


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I'm talking about unbelievers. Big difference.
---Grandma on 7/14/13
Acts 17:23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.


Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at, but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Specific sin: IDOLATRY
GOOD NEWS REPENT

Also see, Jonah in ninevah,
---francis on 7/14/13


markv, you are correct saying that many sugar coat the gospel. you wouldn't be talking again about predestination would you? I can agree with you on many points but one of yours is sugar coated. you will lead many away because if God already has made His mind up there is no need to spread the gospel.
---shira4368 on 7/14/13


Francis: David was already a believer. I'm talking about unbelievers. Big difference. I don't think you know how to read a question, and answer it to the point.
---Grandma on 7/14/13


as you can see, it is possible, and sometimes necessary to point out the specific sin of an individual, and then ask then to repent.
---francis on 7/14/13


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Grandma, when we teach the gospel to others, we need to tell them the whole gospel Truth. Why Jesus had to come to save many. And that can only be said, when people that you are witnessing to understand the condition they are in. If they don't understand their condition, why would they feel they even need Christ?
You are right, the Holy Spirit does the convicting, and the word of God brings hearing, and once a person hears, faith comes.
Many here sugar code the gospel. Whatever we feel is not right to say from the gospel is not our decision to make. We are to give them the gospel, and allow God to work in a persons heart. The Work of God is:
"For this is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent"
---Mark_V. on 7/14/13


---Grandma on 7/13/13
In relation to David's adultery with Bathsheba
2 Samuel 12:7 And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man.
2 Samuel 12:9 Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife [to be] thy wife,

The good news:
2 Samuel 12:13 ... And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin, thou shalt not die

In the NT it would be John the baptist and Herod
Jesus and the woman caught in adultery
Jesus and the woman at the well

Any comments grandma?
---francis on 7/13/13


I have always believed, and have seen, that the Holy Spirit and God's Word is enough to convict a Christian that their behavior is sin.
---Grandma on 7/13/13

that's beautiful.

actually, just that part.

sin is sin. but, knowing that there is an answer to comfort us right now is more drawing than a play, now pay later message.
---aka on 7/13/13


Grandma is dead on, the terrible holiness of God is oft all that is needed, I say terrible because to a sinner in his flesh it is that. All personal works apart from God are filthy rags so mostly there is no particular work we have to address, again the greater thing is to expound the essence of God's personality, from there the stone will either fall on them or they on it, one leading to salvation and the other to a grinding into powder.

The foreknowledge of God is the best tool on what to say, God knows what they need, some he will lead you to express the inherent wickedness of mankind, others as I said only need to see God. Sensitivity to God's voice is the greatest of things to have as men shall not live by bread alone.
---Pharisee on 7/13/13


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Hello,Shira4368 it's right on,your post 7/10/2013 it does undermine your integrity , you the kids grandmother. I will say in short,my son-in- law does not permit my daugher to see or have any contact. I too,tried many times talk to my daughter do not forget about God, christian principles,she went to church.The devil comes subtle in her case but, venomous all the same. I pray she still may be touched,persuaded by the Holy Spirit prick her heart,don't forget how Jesus been mercifull in her life,like when I was pregnant & had cancer, a pastor here prayed her be born healthy! God honored that prayer! Thank God.amen.
---lidia4796 on 7/13/13


I don't believe it is necessary, or helpful, to say to an unbeliever, their particular behavior is a sin and that sin separates them from God and heaven. That approach turned me off, before and after I was saved. I have always believed, and have seen, that the Holy Spirit and God's Word is enough to convict a Christian that their behavior is sin.
---Grandma on 7/13/13

that's beautiful.
---aka on 7/13/13


---Grandma on 7/13/13
In relation to David's adultery with Bathsheba
2 Samuel 12:7 And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man.
2 Samuel 12:9 Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife [to be] thy wife,

The good news:
2 Samuel 12:13 ... And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin, thou shalt not die

In the NT it would be John the baptist and Herod
Jesus and the woman caught in adultery
Jesus and the woman at the well
---francis on 7/13/13


Grandma, Shira is speaking the Truth concering francis. And you are correct, (1 Cor. 5:1) is speaking to a group of believers in the Corinthian Church. This sin of sexual immorality was so vile that even the church's pagan neighbors were doubtless scandalized by it. The Corinthians had rationalized or minimized this sin which was common knowledge, even though Paul had written them before about it (v.9). They were so arrogant and carnal as to excuse even that extreme wickedness. Paul had a lot of trouble with the Corinthian Church, many also abused the gifts of the Spirit like the gift of tongues, instead of different languages their tongue speaking was gibberish to sound very religious.
---Mark_V. on 7/13/13


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Thanks Shira. I wasn't really responding as much as clarifying my previous post. I'm very familiar with Francis' posts, and religious delusions.

I also answered him, to repost my question. I don't believe it is necessary, or helpful, to say to an unbeliever, their particular behavior is a sin and that sin separates them from God and heaven. That approach turned me off, before and after I was saved. I have always believed, and have seen, that the Holy Spirit and God's Word is enough to convict a Christian that their behavior is sin.
---Grandma on 7/13/13


grandmother, don't ask francis anything. he does not know how to answer anyone except with insults and lies. he does not know the bible and all he "preaches" is the law. the worst thing is he thinks our senior citizens are below him because they have to take their shoes off to count to 18. he has declared war on many here. he will LOOSE.
---shira4368 on 7/12/13


Francis: That verse does NOT answer my question. That verse was part of a letter written to a group of believers. My question is asking for a verse that supports speaking to one UNBELIEVER, and telling that one person's sin of x, y, or z is a sin against God, then giving them the Good News.
---Grandma on 7/13/13


Please give Scripture supporting telling any person that their specific sin, naming that sin to be the bad news first.
---Grandma on 7/11/13
1 Corinthians 5:1 It is reported commonly [that there is] fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
---francis on 7/12/13


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Christan, you are a special man.
---aka on 7/12/13


Please give Scripture supporting telling any person that their specific sin, naming that sin to be the bad news first. Romans says ALL have sinned.... That's enough bad news.
---Grandma on 7/11/13


"the fact that we can repent is good news" aka

Oh, how you contradict yourself. Even the Jews and the Muslims will tell you they repent to God, is that good news for them? Talk about "their own understanding, traditions, and pride." Your theology wreaks of it.

"If God didn't tolerate sin... He puts up with our sin, because he has greater plans for us." StrongAxe

Yeah right, God tolerated our sin that His Son had to die on behalf of His people. Does the death of Christ at Calvary sound like God tolerated sin? You know not what you are even speaking of.
---christan on 7/12/13


Christan is correct. God does not tolerate sin. He permits it to go on in His plan, because through time, Jesus was going to die for the sins of many. We are to teach the bad news first, otherwise why would a lost person have any need for Christ?
Every descendant of Adam is heading to hell, for their rebellion against God. For none can keep the law perfect. Only Jesus Christ was able to keep the law perfect for those who receive faith from God. God has always hated sin for He is holy that no one without Christ can come before the Lord. Everyone needs an Advocate and Mediator to come before God.
---Mark_V. on 7/11/13


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When the sin hurts another person we dry the line. I would ask them treat your house with respect but show them love.

But we cannot tolerate stealing, murder, and rape.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/10/13


shira,

i never accused you of tradition. i said that your beliefs are out of tradition. there is a difference.

i believe the Godhead is a family and you believe that the Godhead is three male persons.

that is traditional.
---aka on 7/10/13


aka, you did accuse me of tradition so I took your comment personally. I have no pride but I love my Savior and my bible and what I know and do I try to do it the right way. yes I am a sinner and whoever says they are not are liars. I am a sinner saved by grace. I still have my flesh that fights me everyday. as a matter of fact satan tried to start trouble with me monday night. I had 2 teens at my house and their mother didn't want them here because my son was here. so they don't get to come anymore. I was hurt that someone would question my integrity and didn't trust them to be with me. the truth is my son has never bothered anyone. just shows you how the devil works.
---shira4368 on 7/10/13


christan:

Jesus died to redeem us from sin. If God didn't tolerate sin, he woldn't have done that - he would just vaporize us instantly where we stand the moment we sin. But he doesn't do that. He puts up with our sin, because he has greater plans for us.

You should also lighten up a bit. You should differentiate between people who have different understandings of something than you do, and try to convince them that they're wrong - not scream at them and call them blasphemers. You're more likely to get people to listen to you that way.
---StrongAxe on 7/10/13


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Christian, the fact that we can repent is good news.

Bad news was for those who assume salvation based on their own understanding, traditions, and pride.
---aka on 7/10/13


Enough of controversy. God hates sin(what Satan created). God loves (is tolerant to) the sinner that HE created. HE gives many good opportunities for the sinner to repent(so that s/he will not end up in hell). You can check Exodus 34:5-7, in verse 7 God says of Himself, "..and that will by no means clear the guilty,.."
---Adetunji on 7/10/13


Romans 10:15 "And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!"

Isaiah 52:7 "How beautiful on the mountains are the feet of him that brings good tidings, that publishes peace, that brings good tidings of good, that publishes salvation, that said to Zion, Your God reigns!"

Luke 8:1 "And it came to pass afterward, that he went throughout every city and village, preaching and shewing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him,"
---Nana on 7/10/13


"this was not Jesus model" aka

Really? Let's see, "From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matthew 4:17 - now why would supposed Jesus would command the people to "repent" since it's not "his model" according to you to preach the bad news?

Here's another, "And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things? I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish." Luke 13:2,3

"...for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." Matthew 9:13
---christan on 7/10/13


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if females were called to preach I could preach one more good sermon. of course we know God did not ever call a woman to preach. he called them to minister to people but that isn't the same as preaching and pastoring. tell the bad first then tell the good news. hell is a real literal place whether anyone believes it or not but there is only one way to avoid hell. ye must be born again. when we are born into the family of God, we are His and satan can't do one single thing about it.
---shira4368 on 7/10/13


//Before you jump on me, read carefully// christan

i was not piling on, i was actually amplifying.

however,

You want to preach? Preach the bad news first then the good news. ---christan on 7/8/13

this was not Jesus model. for the sinners, the hunger and tiredness was treated with food. Their spiritual hunger was treated with good news.

for the saved (or those who assume salvation) was the bad news. result...Mat 7:21-23.
---aka on 7/10/13


CONEXT IS IMPORTANT
Matthew 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

Matthew 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

In this context Judge means to determine who goes to heaven or hell

1 Corinthians 5:3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, [concerning] him that hath so done this deed,

1 Corinthians 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

Here it means something else. It means to take action on a descision as to whether it is right or wrong
---francis on 7/9/13


"Therefore, if God was not tolerant of sin... Thus, he tolerates it." StrongAxe

O really? Then the death of His Son Jesus Christ must have been a big mistake! After all, you declared "he tolerates it", so why did Christ had to die?

If God seriously tolerated sin according to your blasphemy, Jesus Christ needn't had to come to this world and give Himself up at Calvary and bleed to death. The very reason Christ came was because "He shall save his people from their sins". He took His people's sins upon Himself because God demanded "For the wages of sin is death"!

The very fact that Christ had to die at Calvary demonstrated that God was intolerant to sin 100%!
---christan on 7/9/13


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christan:

The Bible says we are ALL sinners. Therefore, if God was not tolerant of sin, ALL of us would be smoking lumps of charcoal, smelling faintly of ozone, where lightning bolts hit us out of the blue.

But we're not. in fact, sin has been going on for thousands of years, but before Jesus, and afterwards, and God is LETTING IT HAPPEN. He may have a plan to deal with it eventually, but for now, it's going on without his doing anything to intervene against it. Thus, he tolerates it.
---StrongAxe on 7/9/13


Is she claiming to be Christian?

If she is openly of this world, and if your children are capable of understanding what she is doing, then I would think your children also are able to understand how we spend time with evil people in order to reach them for Jesus.

And by means of prayer find out how to reach these two, and possibly explain to your children how you have trusted God in prayer to guide you.
---willie_c: on 7/8/13


"Just because you engage the sinner, does not mean you tolerate the sin." aka

Before you jump on me, read carefully to what I wrote - "Know for certain that God is not tolerant to sin". Did I say wrongly? Did I say you are not to engage and preach the Gospel to a sinner? After all you and I are sinners too, right? Wasn't God gracious and merciful when the Gospel was preached to us?

I judge no one and that's because Christ admonished, "For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again." And that's because I'm a sinner just like everyone.

You want to preach? Preach the bad news first then the good news.
---christan on 7/8/13


People who say God is tolerant to sin, does not know the God of the Holy Bible. ---christan on 7/8/13

God is not tolerant of sin. Nevertheless, God sent His Son to be among the sinners to be saved.

Just because you engage the sinner, does not mean you tolerate the sin.

Anybody who does not believe this does not know the Living God.
---aka on 7/8/13


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Linda...Most likely when you talk to your cousin about her lifestyle, she will not want to come to your home anyway. Make sure that she knows she is welcome to visit with her friend, but that you do not want any types of romantic displays at your home and that they cannot spend the night at your home. Forget the separate rooms. Make sure that you explain that what she is doing is SIN. Jesus did not tell the woman caught in adultery to go and keep sinning. He said, "Go and sin no more!"
---KarenD on 7/8/13


Josef://"I am so confused between not judging, and not "calling evil good"!// Please do not be confused. The Lord visited sinners to bring them up spiritually. Linda can also go out of her house, interact with her cousin to influence her +vely, but bringing her to her house may teach Linda's children that her(ungodly) way is acceptable.
---Adetunji on 7/8/13


Does she define herself as a christian? That has to be settled first, if not.
There definitely has to be boundaries - for example inviting her for dinner but not sleeping over, maybe going out to dinner with just her is a better way and not bring in the entire family.
Just because you hang out with a person does not mean you accept lifestyle or judging them. Jesus was able to judge "go and sin no more" and show mercy "I do not condemn" at the same time to the woman caught in adultery. View it as building a relationship on other topics, activities, etc and if God convicts her because only he can, she will then come to you for help. If you judge it can be viewed as condesinding.
---Scott1 on 7/8/13


That line can only be drawn if the person claims to be a christian

1 Corinthians 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner, with such an one no not to eat.


1 Corinthians 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

1 Corinthians 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
---francis on 7/8/13


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Linda,

My heart burns for you as I know how hard it is to find the line at times, but it is a very bold line. We are to love others, but to never support their actions if they be evil. Basically, always seek to spend time with her to love her, but never condone what she is doing. It is different to judge the sin than it is to judge the sinner. Despise what she does, but always speak to her in love (hard as that can be), but never stand by her actions or support them in any way (ex: do not let them sleep together under your roof). It is hard to find the right way to say and do things at first, but Christ will show you how to love her and hate the one in her as He does.
---A_servant on 7/8/13


"I am so confused between not judging, and not "calling evil good"!!!! Please help!" Linda "Now it happened, as Jesus sat at the table in the house, that behold, many tax collectors and sinners came and sat down with Him and His disciples. And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to His disciples, Why does your Teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners? When Jesus heard [that], He said to them, Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy and not sacrifice. For I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance. Judge not, that you be not judged."
---Josef on 7/8/13


Is it really up to the sinner (man) to draw the line on sin? Bad news, that line was drawn at the garden when God told our fore-father Adam, "for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die". The rest as they say is history.

Today, we are simply told, "for by the law is the knowledge of sin... and the wages of sin is death", period.

Know for certain that God is not tolerant to sin, He never was and He never will be, or His Son wouldn't have come and died for the sins of His people. People who say God is tolerant to sin, does not know the God of the Holy Bible.
---christan on 7/8/13


Of course you should welcome your cousin and her friend into your home. Prior to their visit, tell your cousin privately, that you love her, and wish to meet her friend, but they won't be able to sleep together in your home. If it causes a problem, remind her you love her, but most importantly God loves her no matter what.
---Grandma on 7/8/13


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This may sound harsh but true, do not allow your cousin close to your children who are yet to form their own opinions about certain things. Children learn from what they observe. You cannot even predict what your children & your cousin will discuss. Your cousin is an un-godly example.
---Adetunji on 7/8/13


Lev_19:34 You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

this is a question for the great i am.
---aka on 7/7/13


Here's a situation where you love the sinner but hate the sin. I would allow her to "hang out" with my family, and allow the lover to come over, but I would NOT allow them to sleep together. While I would explain to them that you do not condone such practice, you tolerate it because you love them, but firmly draw the line at letting them sleep together or show intimate actions in front of others, (kissing, etc.)
---wivv on 7/7/13


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