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Whosoever Believeth Saved

JOHN 3:16 says "...GOD so loved the World that HE gave HIS only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish...".

Why do some teach that only "some" are predestinated to be Saved, when the Bible states that "WHOSOEVER believeth on Him" may be Saved?

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The nation of Ysrael split into two nations, Yudah (descendents of Yudah, Benjamin and some Levites) south and Ysrael (other 10 tribes) north.

Jews are Hebrews (descended from Jacob) as well as Jews (from the nation of Yudah).

Ysrael: Turns the Head of God
Yerusalem: "pointing the way to completeness"

Repentance unto remission
Luke 24:47 "And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem."

John 3:16
---char on 7/17/13


God has chosen Ysrael as His witness that He Exist Savior so that Whom so ever believes may have eternal(timeless) existence with/in Him.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Philippians 2:9 "Wherefore God also hath highly exalted Him, and given Him a name which is above every name:"

Philippians 2:10 "That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth,"
John 1:1-5

Jesus/Ysha: "The Word of God" confirmed/testified by God alone-Anointed

He Exist - Savior.

Shalom
---char on 7/17/13


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God has chosen Ysrael as His witness that He Exist Savior so that Whom so ever believes may have eternal(timeless) existence with/in Him.

John 3:16

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Philippians 2:9 "Wherefore God also hath highly exalted Him, and given Him a name which is above every name:"

Philippians 2:10 "That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth,"
John 1:1-5

Jesus/Ysha: "The Word of God" confirmed/testified by God alone-Anointed
---char on 7/17/13


Christan, "willing" (Luke 13:34) is the Greek 'thelo' which means-to will, decide, want to, wish to, desire. This proves those to whom Jesus spoke had free-will to accept or reject Jesus, as they rejected the prophets.

Jesus says vs. 34 "How often I have longed to gather your children" using the same word translated as willing in vs. 35, meaning he has long desired they would turn to Him for salvation but they chose not to. Free-will!

In Deuteronomy 30:19 God says choose (Hebrew bahar) life, that you and your offspring may live. Again free-will. If they had no free-will, then God is talking nonsense, but He is not!
---Warwick on 7/17/13


Christan, man had free-will right from the beginning. Adam and Eve had a walking, talking, intimate relationship with God who commanded they not eat the fruit of one particular tree. But they though created perfect, yet without sin, obviously had free-will as they chose to disobey their God.

You wrote "That is, the man who's born "dead in trespass and sins" most definitely does not have the ability to go to Him whatsoever." Adam and Eve demonstrate the error of your doctrine as they were not born "dead in trespass and sin" were they? Yet they, sinless, chose to sin, exercising free-will, and with such disastrous results.
---Warwick on 7/17/13




well markv, I see what you posted about the Word of God is sent to everyone. that is a far cry from God choosing who he will save. that's what I meant when I said your stance is no always the same. see I have taken all your post and I know you don't believe that God sends any to hell. you just posted that earlier in this blog.
---shira436u on 7/17/13


//Because of this, who does Paul say are the children of Abraham today? (Galatians 3:6-8)//
Sorry David I'm missing your point
---michael_e on 7/17/13


Warwick, "you are not willing" means you have a choice? How does Luke 13:34 teach you that there's free-will in the man to either choose God or not? It's not even the context of the verse you so ridiculously give to support your foolish free-will.

What Christ said "you are not willing" is Truth. That is, the man who's born "dead in trespass and sins" most definitely does not have the ability to go to Him whatsoever.

Didn't Christ also declare, "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day." So where's your free-will in all this if you have to be first drawn by the Father? And you preach?
---christan on 7/16/13


God so love the world. He gave to all the measure of faith. We are saved by Grace though FAITH this is not of yourself this is a gift from God. Let them use their faith how they wish. Just put your in the Gospel an sow away God is not afraid. If he was afraid he would have never set Jesus to the earth or hell. He wants all to be saved but he know some believer will never sow the Gospel so people who should hear the gospel and get saved will not. They will hear about God but not the Gospel. That is sad.
---Bryan on 7/16/13


"Those predestined would need but a call from God, but they did not listen." Warwick

Your understanding of predestination is not only erroneous but rubbish! Where does it say in Jeremiah 35:17 that God was calling the elects? You imagine things that are not written, just like your free-will.

Those predestined for salvation WILL BE SAVED. That's a promise from God.

"All that the Father giveth me shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand."
---christan on 7/16/13




Do you not believe Matt. 10:5, 15:24, Rom 15:8 etc ?
---michael_e on 7/16/13

Michael
You do present a very good argument which it is clearly backed by the Bible.
But as you said, the Children of Abraham rejected Jesus.
Because of this, who does Paul say are the children of Abraham today?
(Galatians 3:6-8)
Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him as righteousness. Know ye therefore that those who are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached beforehand the Gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
---David on 7/17/13


Gordon, to answer your question, you must look at all who have limited God here. We also have the JW's who say God only elected 144,000.

Cults see the word "elect", then they find isolated scripture here and there to lay for their core beliefs, then they brainwash those with very low self esteem to become one of the ELECT.

This has been going on from the beginning of time. What is telling with ALL cults, is showing them "other scriptures" they CAN'T SEE. This shows for a fact it's SATAN who has blinded their eyes, not God. Oh, even scripture says SATAN has blinded their eyes. Yet they keep using a verse that applies to Israel alone that God has blinded the eyes.
---kathr4453 on 7/17/13


Warwick, I don't have any idea why you said'
" Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord! Jesus takes upon Himself the words of the Lord recorded in Psalm 118:26."
You do know that the words spoken of in Psalms 118:26) are the words of the Psalmist, not the words of Jesus. While they are in the Word of God, they are the words of the Psalmist. Then give, (Jer. 35:17) as proof. yes, the calling of God has gone out to all mankind, starting with Israel. They were disobedient from the beginning and to this very day, God has not given them a heart to perceive and eyes to see and ears to hear. That comes from God, read (Deut. 29:1-4). The Word has to come to them in power and in the Holy Spirit, (1 Thess. 1:4,5).
---Mark_V. on 7/17/13


David
//One other thing you must consider.If the Gospels of Jesus Christ were only for the nation of Israel// IF??
Do you not believe Matt. 10:5, 15:24, Rom 15:8 etc ?
Peter preached to Israel, with one exception Acts 10.
Ck Acts 2:22, 3:12, 4:8, 4:10, 5:35 10:36, 11:19







,,35
---michael_e on 7/16/13


Mark, Jesus is fully God and fully man, and while servant on earth, said and did as the Father commanded. He concludes "Behold, your house is forsaken. And I tell you, you will not see me until you say, Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord! Jesus takes upon Himself the words of the Lord recorded in Psalm 118:26. Versus 34-35 are not the emotional words of a man but of God with us, as the Psalm shows.

See Jeremiah 35:17 The Lord says "I have spoken to them and they have not listened, I have called to them and they have not answered." Those predestined would need but a call from God, but they did not listen. Note it does not say "I have called to some of them, but to "them (all)."
---Warwick on 7/16/13


Warwick, when answering concerning Jesus like you did in Luke (13:34) you need to take into account that Jesus was speaking from His humanity. He was showing one of His human emotions concerning Jerusalem and what they had done to the prophets. Just like one of us when we give the gospel and none want to hear it. He also felt abandoned by the Father at the cross, yet God was always there. He cried for Lazuras yet God cries for no one, He is Spirit. When He speaks things get done. What you did is answer like a Jehovah witness would answer by speaking on the humanity of Jesus to contradict His divine nature. I'm sorry to say that but it is true. They will bring a human act of Jesus to discredit His divine nature.
---Mark_V. on 7/16/13


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Michael
One other thing you must consider.
If the Gospels of Jesus Christ were only for the nation of Israel, why did the disciples continue to teach those Gospels long after Jesus ascended into Heaven?
---David on 7/16/13


Christian when I read Luke 13:34 I see no predestination, no compulsion, but the heart of God longing for as stiff-necked people who will not come to Him, and be saved. "Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing." It is patently clear Jesus longs for those who will not come to Him. If He had actually pre-chosen who would come then He would not write this, because they would, by compulsion, come at the sound of His voice.
---Warwick on 7/16/13


Warwick, you said"As recorded in Isaiah 45:22 "Turn to me and be saved,..." Who turns to be saved? Anyone aware of their sinfulness and their need of a Saviour." And who are those who become aware of their sins and their need for a Savior? Those who are born of God. Unbelievers do not seek after God Romans 3:11. Then say,
" It seems you believe saving faith is only given to the select, the rest pre-consigned to hell."
Saving faith is a gift of God, and comes when God makes someone alive together with Christ Eph. 2:4-10. Why? Because salvation with man is impossible, with God all things are possible Matthew 19:26.
"This is the work of God, that you believe in Him who He sent."
---Mark_V. on 7/16/13


But that is not my point which was in reply to Mark, that I am happy to speak in churches where I do not share in all they believe. And as I asked Mark "Do you imagine Jesus and the apostles only preached to those whose theology was correct?" ---Warwick on 7/15/13

Okay, I miss understood your post. Thanks for clarifing.

You are correct as well as Jesus said, the sick need a physican, not the well.
---Nikki on 7/15/13


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Nikki, you are of course correct. I have never been invited to speak during Sunday AM Mass but in Sunday night and Saturday meetings. But that is not my point which was in reply to Mark, that I am happy to speak in churches where I do not share in all they believe. And as I asked Mark "Do you imagine Jesus and the apostles only preached to those whose theology was correct?"
---Warwick on 7/15/13


Francis, I believe every single word the bible says.
---shira4368 on 7/15/13
Then you have answered your own question as to why I use the OT. However if you read my post i use both OT and NT because God is unchanging in his word

what do you think the NT writers used as they were writing letters to the churches?

What have you found new in the writing of the NT writers except for some of the book of revelation?

what do you think the word scripture means in John 5:39 Acts 17:11 and 2 Timothy 3:16
---francis on 7/15/13


"It seems you believe saving faith is only given to the select, the rest pre-consigned to hell." Warwick

Well, doesn't it say so in the Holy Scriptures? Here, take a look at the verses and tell us that it isn't true that those who believed were because they were ordained,

"And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed." Acts 13:48

even the unbelievers were appointed, "even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed" 1 Peter 2:8

Man has freewill? Ya right!
---christan on 7/15/13


I have preached in many different denominations, including Roman Catholic congregations..---Warwick on 7/14/13

Impossible!

Are you are saying you were a Roman Catholic Priest or Catholic Deacon?

If not, then you didn't preach in the a Catholic Church.
Only Priests and Deacons can give Homilies.
---Nikki on 7/15/13


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Warwick, you quote Isaiah 45:22 to justify free-will. Yes, that's precisely what God commanded.

BUT here's the kicker, does it imply the man who's "born dead in trespass and sin" has the ability? That you must ask. Scripture doesn't contradict Scripture. When Isaiah wrote 45:22, did he at any point imply the man can turn to God by their own sinful will? Did anywhere in the Scripture imply this was even possible?

Jesus will contradict your understanding in free-will and that's because He declared, "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day." And I believe that "No man" is without exception, period.
---christan on 7/15/13


francis, I believe every single word the bible says. I surely don't live by the old testament but I can use it as it was before Christ. Jesus came to fulfill the law. all the law rest of the love of Jesus Christ. my focus is now on the grace of God. God gave us the old testament and its chocked full of salvation and prophecy. the reason some believe Christ died for a single few, they are taking the whole thing out of context. the whole bible tells us how to be saved.
---shira4368 on 7/15/13


--shira4368 on 7/14/13
Do you not believe that the entire bible is the word of God?

---Elder on 7/14/13
Jesus died, because we did not keep the law. He lived a righteous life, and He is willing to both credit us with his righteous life, and strengthen us to keep the laws of God

There are only TWO options available: SIN( breaking the law) unto death, or of obedience ( keeping the law) unto righteousness? Romans 6:16

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
---francis on 7/14/13


Mark, in 1 John ch 1 John proclaims the truth to those yet without fellowship "with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ," whose salvation begins when they decide to confess their sins. If no personal decision salvation is a lottery with the lucky winners pre-selected: the selector well aware all others have wasted their money.

As recorded in Isaiah 45:22 "Turn to me and be saved,..." Who turns to be saved? Anyone aware of their sinfulness and their need of a Saviour. It seems you believe saving faith is only given to the select, the rest pre-consigned to hell.

This is unjust while God is absolutely just, beyond even our fallible concept of just.
---Warwick on 7/14/13


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Mark I have preached in many different denominations, including Roman Catholic congregations who believe Mary is literally the mother of eternal God. Also in churches where they believe God used evolution over billions of years with its inherent death, disease and suffering. Beliefs contrary to God's word, and His nature. And I have preached in many SDA churches and I do not believe Jesus is any angel. I was never challenged on this.

We must preach the truth anywhere we can. Do you imagine Jesus and the apostles only preached to those whose theology was correct?

I believe the hyper-Calvinism promoted here is wrong and defames God but would preach in their churches if invited. And have done so.
---Warwick on 7/14/13


Rom 9:11-13 "(for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her,The older shall serve the younger.[a] 13 As it is written, Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.

There is both pre-destination AND our personal choices, the Bible shows there is both, so there is. The bible also shows us that God's ways and mind are not our own. Our finite minds cannot comprehend the infinite so rather than accept the working of both in God's plan, we try to decide which one is true and explain away the other. We need to have faith that we can't explain everything and concern ourselves with more important things.
---A_servant on 7/14/13


//when the Bible states that "WHOSOEVER believeth on Him" may be Saved?//

Because people don't like the vagueness of the word.

They don't like it when Jesus gives anyone any power, or is merciful to anyone or everyone. (You would think they died on the cross not Him)

Just like they don't like the word "Whatsoever" in Matthew 16:19

They refuse to take Jesus at His Words.
---Nikki on 7/14/13


wow francis, I search the scriptures time and time again. I have my king james bible on my laptop and my ipad. I also have other related things on the same. I have come to a decision that you just need prayer.we all need prayer but I am praying for you much.
---shira4368 on 7/14/13


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//Why do some teach that only "some" are predestinated to be Saved,// They say so because of their level of understanding of God's word. But we should not condemn them as they may grow in the knowledge of the word today & tomorrow and come into the knowledge of the truth. Uncountable multitudes who believe will be saved.
---Adetunji on 7/14/13


Warwick, you can answer me here on this blog if you want. I always admire your stand for the Truth when you speak concerning Genesis, but what about the Truth in the whole of Scripture? Doesn't that mean anything to you? I was disappointed you mentioned the lottery concerning God. I never would have thought you would say that. You want to discuss salvation, I am willing.
I understand you preach at the SDA churches, so I ask you a question,
Do you believe Jesus Christ is Michael the archangel? A simple yes or no will do. Thanks
---Mark_V. on 7/14/13


Francis since you like to talk about keeping the law so much and you want folks to trust your knowledge, I have a few simple questions for you.
1. Why did God give the law?
2. What is the purpose of the book of James?
3. Why and to whom was I John written?
4. Can a soul saving doctrine be built with just one verse as you continually try to do?
5. Is keeping the law (your works) going to assure you of a place in Heaven? (Check out Cain on this issue.)
6. Have you ever considered that you are going the way of Cain or are in the error of Balaam?
---Elder on 7/14/13


---shira4368 on 7/14/13
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Acts 17:11...searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Were they searching OT or NT?

John 5:39 Search the scriptures,
PAUL Romans 4:3 what saith the scripture?
James 4:5 Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain,
1 Peter 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture,

Which of these writers uses the word " scripture" to refer to anything in the NT?

Romans 6:15 What then? shall we transgress the law, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
---francis on 7/14/13


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\\Romans 10:10 - For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness , and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

( Key word is the "Heart", ...\\
---RICHARDC on 7/13/13

Actually, the key word is context, which you've missed.

Romans 10 is six chapters removed from Paul presenting the gospel.

this "confession" is not a one-time deal that at conversion.

John 12:4-43
Many even of the rulers believed in Him, but...were not confessing Him...

Matt 10:22 endure to the end to be saved

Matt 10:31
Confess Me before men

2Tim 2:12
If we endure, we will reign with Him

Rom 8:17
joint-heirs IF we suffer with Him

THAT is the context of Rom 10
---James_L on 7/14/13


francis, the bible contains much about the law but when it comes down to salvation, it does not save us. the law was given as a guide for man to live by. what you are leaving out is the part about grace. we are living under grace but grace makes us want to obey the law. your problem is you have never mentioned grace. all you talk about is the law. Jesus and the new testament is all about grace. new testament.....all the law is based on our love for Christ. you have got the law is above grace and that is not so. why don't you post the scriptures that speak of grace??
---shira4368 on 7/14/13


shira4368 on 7/13/13
Does your bible contain these verses:

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

1 John 3:4 for sin is the transgression of the law.

Romans 3:20 for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Proverbs 28:9 He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.

You are in your mid sixties, you are not too old to be converted
Psalms 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul:
---francis on 7/14/13


His earthly ministry was to national Israel to bring them eternal life. ---michael_e on 7/13/13

Michael
If the teachings of Jesus Christ were only for national Israel, why did Jesus say this?
(Matthew 28:19-20)
Go ye therefore and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost,teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you. And lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world.
---David on 7/14/13


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francis, why do you refer to the old testament in every one of your post? we are not under the law now. of course you don't know the difference.
---shira4368 on 7/14/13


--shira4368 on 7/13/13
Stop deceiving yourself

Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make any graven image,
Exodus 20:7 Thou shalt not take God's name in vain,
Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exodus 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother:
Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
Exodus 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Exodus 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.
Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness
Exodus 20:17 Thou shalt not covet

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
---francis on 7/13/13


Gordon, sorry I didn't mean to put your name in my answer. it was for francis. again sorry.
---shira4368 on 7/13/13


francis, you don't have a clue what you are talking about. I never never said I didn't believe in the law. I said I did not get saved obeying the law. if that is how you got saved...SURPRISE...you don't have a clue of my understanding. The Holy Spirit guides my path, gives me peace, gives me all I have and guess what? I listen but again, I am still in the flesh just like you are. you will sin in your flesh. you are not by any means sinless. you cannot possibly live by the commandments, its impossible for your flesh to be perfect. if you ever get saved you will understand the Spirit also.
---shira4368 on 7/13/13


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David, Jesus was born, lived and died under law(Gal4:4,5) His earthly ministry was to national Israel(matt.10:5, 15:24, Rom 15:8)to bring them eternal life. At that time gentiles were without Christ(Eph 2:12)Israel rejected Him, He sent Paul to us with the gospel of the grace of God
---michael_e on 7/13/13


Whosoever Believe on him

Romans 10:10 - For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness , and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

( Key word is the "Heart", If the condition of man heart is deceitful - desperately, wicked, as it say's in Jeremiah 17:9 - Genesis 8:21 - Or we could say that there are none that are righteous,Then how can it be trusted, when someone say's I believe ? There is a verse that say's the heart is so deceitful it can fool the man, So unless God changes the man heart, - Born again, The washing of regeneration - Titus 3:5- Then at that point , and only at that point, One could truly believeth unto righteousness )
---RICHARDC on 7/13/13


What was revealed to Paul was the finished work of the Cross(1Cor. 15:1-4) not revealed to the 12.(Luke 18:34) ---michael_e on 7/13/13

Michael
Eternal life was not offered under Law of Moses.
Why was Jesus asked so many questions about Eternal life, if he did not bring us this covenant in his earthly sojourn?
As in (Matthew 19:16) & (Luke 10:25).
And why did he teach about Eternal Life?
---David on 7/13/13


in john chapter 3 and 6,

All = pas in Greek
whosoever = pas in Greek

All = whosoever

therefore,

"Whosoever that the Father giveth me shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. ...John 6:37,39

"GOD so loved the World that HE gave HIS only begotten Son that all [who] believeth in Him should not perish...

work hard. rest easy.
---aka on 7/13/13


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David, when Paul speaks of
//the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.//
He doesn't refer to the Lord's ministry to national Israel in His earthly sojourn.
What was revealed to Paul was the finished work of the Cross(1Cor. 15:1-4) not revealed to the 12.(luke 18:34)
---michael_e on 7/13/13


Christan, again, how does man's free will to chose life through Jesus Christ handcuff God?


Maybe if God were a man like you, who couldn't get his way unless everyone did exactly as they were told.

But GOD is not a man like you Christan. Stop bringing God down to your understanding. It appears you think very little of who God is.

Having to control everything by making everyone robots is not the God of Scripture......only the god of your limited understanding..
---kathr4453 on 7/13/13


what is 2nd ci,6,17? that is not in my bible.
---shira4368 on 7/13/13


---shira4368 on 7/12/13
I have NEVER offered to change you
But God has:
Psalms 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul:

Psalms 119:1 Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.

Romans 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

You may fight and turn against the law of God, but as for me:
I delight in the law of God after the inward man: Romans 7:22
---francis on 7/13/13


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Most churches, today are predominately gentile, and Jesus in the 4 gospels, was not dealing with gentiles(matt. 10:5, 15:24)---michael_e on 7/12/13

Michael
You present a good argument, but if what you say is true, why did Paul say this?
(2 Thessalonians 1:7-9)
And to you who are troubled, rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from Heaven with His mighty angels,in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who know not God, and who obey not the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
---David on 7/13/13


Gordon, you do not even know what you are asking for and why. Here you say,
"Why do some teach that only "some" are predestinated to be Saved, when the Bible states that "WHOSOEVER believeth on Him" may be Saved?"
Here is why, because whosoever does not believe will perish. Bottom line, some perish and some don't.
Lets write the passage another in reverse,
"For God so loved the World that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever does not believe will perish" you either believe and not perish, or not believe and perish. Or do you think the word "whosoever" will change anything? Whoseover does, or whosoever doesn't.
---Mark_V. on 7/13/13


francis, you have kicked against the grain long enough. you don't impress me, you can't change me, you can't hurt me. you are the worst kind of bigot I ever had contact with. you know absolutely nothing about God or His Word. you are the kind in the new testament that thinks they are so wise but you are absolutely stupid. I tried to tolerate you but when you make fun of seniors you are a dog. I already told you I will give you a run with the bible, ipad, ipod, iphone, dell convertible notebook and desktop. I can and will show you how seniors operate. disgusting.
---shira4368 on 7/12/13


Yes, you have to believe, then Mark 16 v 16, Acts 2 v 38. The Only Salvation Plan From God.
---Lawrence on 7/12/13


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The law of God is perfect, converting the soul Psalms 19:7


Shira knows that one who is born again keeps the law of God. Shira knows that i believe and teach that those who love God keeps His commandments, 1 John 5,3-4, John 14:15,

Shira knows that the bible says that we for sure that know God if we keep His commandments 1 John 2 3-4

Shira knows that christians are those who both keep thebcommandments of God AND have faith in Jesus

Shria read 2 Cir 6:17
---francis on 7/12/13


It's incomprehensible that God who spoke the universe into existence, sitting established on His throne in Heaven, who declares the end from the beginning and calls things which are not as though they were, has been "handcuffed by the will" of creatures whose lives are like vapors, who return to the dust and who cannot even draw a breath without God they supposedly control.

That God would choose to save some men and then their ultimate fate would be left in their sinful, ignorant, rebellious hands is to call God both powerless and foolish. If God decrees the salvation of a man, that man WILL INDEED BE SAVED. Like Jonah, He will confess, "Salvation is of the Lord!" (Jonah 2:9). And that's ALL 100% of God.
---christan on 7/12/13


Gordon,
Let us study what the verse really says:
Joh3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
"that whosover believeth in him" Note the "eth" ending.
John 11:11 Christ tells his disciples that Lararus sleepeth. In other words, Lazarus body is sleeping in the grave. He didn't say Lazarus needs to sleep.
In John 3:16 he is telling us that belief in Christ is an evidence of salvation. He is not saying it is a prerequisite. Again, our belief in Christ is an evidence that we are saved.
Some of those predesinated to salvation will believe in Christ.
---trey on 7/12/13


Gordon,
you're guilty of the same thing you're accusing your opponents of.

You emphasize the word whosoever, and accuse Calvinists of trashing it in favor of their view of Predestination

Yet, when the word believe is emphasized, you trash it in favor of your view of all the works you include

Either scripture is at odds with scripture, or you're taking verses out of context to support you view.

I'm convinced it's the latter.

And that's what your opponents are doing.

Did Jesus not mean believe ?
---James_L on 7/12/13


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Agreed Gordon. What sort of evil "genius" would bring people into existence who, by their very created nature, can't turn to him but who would be able to love him if he would by simple fiat turn their hearts and minds to him, yet he refuses to do so.

The Calvinists' complete lack of logic has the lost made by God to deny God and yet still are blamed by God because they can't. Scripture says that this is both pagan and, according to God, unfair and man's thoughts, not God's. After all, his ways are not our ways!
---Marc on 7/12/13


Gordon, maybe I said something wrong but I also believe everyone can be saved. I know God gave us the ability to accept Christ or deny Christ. yes, we do have free will but when we are saved we belong to God. I don't want to ever sound like francis. francis is not grounded in whatever belief he has.
---shira4368 on 7/12/13


Gordon:

While the Bible says "whosoever will" may be saved (in theory), it also says that few will find the path (in practice).

You are also right about "Repent!". This English word comes from Latin meaning "Think again". Sadly, most Christians read or hear about something once, make up their minds, then never think about it ever again, believing it has been settled. This works fine if what one believes is correct, but not if it isn't (and people frequently believe at least SOME things that aren't true).

kathr4453:

Jesus's death and resurrection is the key to the Gospel that Paul preached. But what Jesus himself preached was the key to the Gospel that Jesus preached.
---StrongAxe on 7/12/13


Shira, You don't seem to be reading some people's comments very well. I know you totally misunderstood what I said in the "Who Made Demons" Blog. For, I am of the camp that believes that GOD created mankind WITH free-will to personally choose or reject GOD's Salvation, and you talked to me as if I didn't.

Now, you talk the same way to francis.

There is not one thing he said, just now, that denies that anyone can be saved.

Part of his issue is the denial, that some others have here, that Salvation is for "whosoever will"..

Some espouse that only certain people can be saved, and that is a lie.

JOHN 3:16 says that "...WHOSOEVER WILL..." can believe on Yahushua and be saved.
---Gordon on 7/12/13


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James L, Because it's true that we must repent of and turn away from our sins to enter Life Eternal.



What message did the Prophet John the Baptist continually repeat?

"Repent, ye!", MATTHEW 3:1-2


What did Yahushua first preach?

"Repent...!", MATTHEW 4:17



GOD is not mocked, we will reap what we sow. GALATIANS 6:7

And, if we sow according to the Holy Spirit's Guidance, we'll reap Life Everlasting. But, if we sow to the flesh and it's sinful lusts and desires, we'll reap all kinds of death along with the Second Death. GALATIANS 6:8
---Gordon on 7/12/13


//In most churches, Jesus would be thrown out if he taught what he did in his Gospels.//
1. most churches, today are predominately gentile, and Jesus in the 4 gospels, was not dealing with gentiles(matt. 10:5, 15:24)
2.He sent the Apostle Paul to the gentiles(Acts 9)
The Lord gave us a man we can follow.
1 Cor 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
This is where we are living today, not in the OT.
---michael_e on 7/12/13


Some concentrate on the fact that GOD knows everything and is all powerful. So they lose sight of his love for all in thinking only of his power.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/11/13

Best comment I have heard in a long time
---Scott1 on 7/12/13


For Christ explicitly declares, "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father." John 6:44,65


---christan on 7/8/13

WOW Christan, that is NOT the HEART of the Gospel. Jesus death and resurrection IS THE HEART OF THE GOSPEL.

YOU and YOUR personal election again is not the heart of the Gospel.
---kathr4453 on 7/12/13


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There are many who believe in false doctrines.
I find some truth in most of them, but find most to be incomplete. By incomplete, I mean they are not completely supported by the Bible as a whole.

Men have taken a verse here and a verse there, and have customized those verses into a doctrine that fits their lifestyles. And that is how most people in church choose which doctrine they will follow.

In most churches, Jesus would be thrown out if he taught what he did in his Gospels.
I challenge each one of you to see if your teachings of Salvation are supported by the Gospels of Jesus Christ.
If you are honest with yourself, I think you will discover they are not.
---David on 7/12/13


Gordon, I know of no one predestined to be saved. Those given to believe are predestined "to be conformed to the image of His Son, having [been] predestined to adoption as sons by Jesus [the] Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will. In whom [they] also have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will" Rom 8:29>Eph 1:5,11
---Josef on 7/12/13


"All that the Father giveth me shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day." John 6:37,39

"And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed." Acts 13:48

Good try, but election is explicitly taught by Christ and His apostles. Go take your argument with God Almighty if you hate the idea that He has chosen some for salvation only, while the rest is "fitted for destruction".
---christan on 7/12/13


JOHN 3:16 says "...whosoever believeth..."

Why do some teach that one must also turn from sin, make a confession of faith, repent, confess sins, and endure to the end ???
---James_L on 7/12/13


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Frances you are in a fantasy. We are suppose to lead sinners to church so they can be under bible preaching. That is what missionaries do when they are on the mission field. The way you describe sinners is not the way it is in Real life. ALL can come to Christ.
---shira4368 on 7/11/13


On any given subject, there ae any given number fo people who have any given number fo views

only one can be right

WHOSOEVER believes will be saved

If you are in a false church, like many are, in order to keep you in the many lies that they teach, they tell you that you are special, more so than the drunk who has never been to church. That way you will feel priveledged and not leave

Now when the drunk finaly stumbles into the church, and falls into the baptism pool, they will assure him that he was predestined to be saved, while a woman in the city, which is a sinner is predestined to be lost


---francis on 7/11/13


Whoever "believes" will be saved. Paul speaks of us "who first trusted in Christ" (in Ephesians 2:12). Believing, then, includes trusting in and obeying Jesus, as He calls "all" to do > Matthew 11:28-30.

Also > "He who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him." (in 1 Corinthians 6:17) We have been actually joined to Jesus so each of us is "one spirit with Him."

I would say many are arguing between free will and predestination, while they have not become "one spirit with" Jesus in His "rest for your souls."

Just believing correct doctrine is not trusting and obeying, in His rest.
---willie_c: on 7/11/13


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