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Living In Sin

What will happen to a person who, years ago, was saved, lived for many years as a born again Christian, brought his children up as Christians (and they were personally saved) but fell into dreadful sin himself yet continues to live as if no-one knows about this? He lives a life of denial and deceit.

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Jerry, you did quote Jesus words, but when quoting them you had a log in your eye. you then say,
"Somehow, you've come to believe that you are "chosen" and can sin with impunity."
I do not believe a believer wants to sin with impunity. You are the one who believes that if others do not do Saturday, they sin with impunity, that's the reason you quoted what you did."
No, believers do not want to sin. No believer enjoys sinning against God. Those are all things in your own mind because people do not want to be under the Law like you, but under grace and you get angry. So you throw stones and pick on the eyes of others. Remove the log from your eye first.
---Mark_V. on 7/28/13


--Mark_V. on 7/28/13
Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid.

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid:

Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Romans 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid.

Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
---francis on 7/28/13


MarkV: "Jerry, your the hypocrite"

First of all Markie, it's "you're" - not "your".

Secondly, I quoted Jesus own words, so you are calling Him a hypocrite. Blasphemous!

Somehow, you've come to believe that you are "chosen" and can sin with impunity. Do you really think that argument will fly in the judgment? You and other lawless types have got it backwards. You think that obedience is sin, and disobedience is righteousness. Good luck with that one also in the judgment!



---jerry6593 on 7/28/13


francis, here it is again,
""Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. And why do you look at the speak in your brothers eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? Let me remove the speak from your eye, and look, a plank is in your eye.
"Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly" to remove the speck from your brothers eye"
(Matt. 7:1-5).
You judge others by what they do, and what they eat, and for not when to worship, which is not commanded by God under the New Covenant of grace.
---Mark_V. on 7/28/13


1 Cor 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

1 Cor 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
---francis on 7/27/13

Francis 1Cor 5 speaks against the likes of you. It's speaks of those who call themselves a brother (Christian) but are in to fornication with Hagar/righteousness by works of the law (Gal 4:24).

Christians are to put out such wicked people/fornicators who try to deceive Christians into denying God by being perfected by the flesh through works of the law instead.
---Haz27 on 7/27/13




--Mark_V. on 7/27/13
Based on all you post, the plank in my eye is my keeping all ten commandments, more so me keeping the sabbath.

You claimed to be a christian, and we are christians, we keep the commandments of God and have faith in Jesus

once you made a claim to be a christian this following verse comes into effect:

1 Corinthians 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

1 Corinthians 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
---francis on 7/27/13


Haz and mark_V they speak great swelling words of vanity,they promise you liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption

That is true, because the freedom the promise you is not the freedom you get from keeping the law.
Psalms 119:44 So shall I keep thy law continually for ever and ever. And I will walk at liberty.

If you follow them you will be a like a dog going back to it's vomit

2 Peter 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again, and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
---francis on 7/27/13


Jerry, your the hypocrite, you condemn others for breaking the law when you yourself are law breakers. This passage is for people like you and francis:
"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. And why do you look at the speak in your brothers eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? Let me remove the speak from your eye, and look, a plank is in your eye.
"Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly" to remove the speck from your brothers eye"
(Matt. 7:1-5).
This passage is dedicated to you and francis.
---Mark_V. on 7/27/13


MarkV: You sound just like the Pharisees - demanding that you have the right to ignore God's Law and follow your own, man-made religion. Jesus called the Pharisees hypocrites and vipers because they followed their own man-made laws rather God's Law, just as you do.

In fact, Jesus has something to say of you:

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

---jerry6593 on 7/27/13


francis, are are sounding just like the Pharisees who followed Jesus, accusing Him of breaking the Sabbath and the law when you say,
"Then along comes Haz and mark_V they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. While they promise you liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption"
Just about the same words the Pharisees used against Jesus. And what did Jesus call them? Vipers, and hypocrites. Legalist who tried to find fault with others for breaking the law. You are a common Pharisees, and a hypocrite.
---Mark_V. on 7/26/13




---StrongAxe on 7/24/13
Genesis 1:5 And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Leviticus 23:32 from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.

So friday when the sun set to Saturday when the sun sets is sabbath

In Alaska, I am told that they do it from six PM to six PM since they do not have regular sun sets

Romans 14:23 whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

1: If you know that the sabbath is sunset to sunset, and you do it sunrise to sunset that is sin

2: If you know the sabbath is 7th day, and you do it 1st day that is sin

3: More to your question: If you believe that the sun has set on friday, regardless of what the clock says it is sabbath. To do otherwise is sin
---francis on 7/25/13


Axester:

How can you know if you are breaking the Sabbath? Like you would really care about offending God. One way to avoid your silly sunset conundrum is to start early and finish late. Millions of people for thousands of years have been able to successfully keep the Sabbath, but it's apparently too hard for you. I'll make it easy for you. Stop working on Saturday and start working on Sunday. That's a start. But, if you don't care what God has commanded, then ....



---jerry6593 on 7/25/13


Rita_H: Please go and humbly tell the person his/her fault personally Gal. 6:1, Matt.18:15-18. If you have followed all the steps listed in those verses and the person refused to change, then you are allowed to broadcast it.
---Adetunji on 7/25/13


---StrongAxe on 7/24/13
I do not know that this is my favourite law.
I think these are my favourite laws: PROTECT YOURSELF AT ALL TIMES
Deuteronomy 25:11 When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her.

we can calculate sunset because it is consistant, I think there is a 2-3 minute difference every week, but I use the sun. when sun set that is sabbath. See Romans 14:23
---francis on 7/25/13


francis:

Let's take your personal favorite law, keeping the Sabbath.

When does the Sabbath actually start? At sunset, an hour before, an hour? How does one define sunset? Look out the window to see if the sun is down? It varies depending on altitude, surrounding obstacles, etc. Or rely on an impartial source, like an almanac? But then it varies by time zone. Use time zones that change abruptly every 1000 miles, or change continuously as one moves east or west?

These are all trivial questions, but one CANNOT KNOW if one breaches the law without knowing the answers to them - and since the Bible does not address them, they must be interpreted by someone. To which authority do we rely on for such interpretation?
---StrongAxe on 7/24/13


StrongAxe on 7/23/13
Lets examine this further from a biblical point of view:

1 Peter 2:13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme, Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.

It is not merely a question of interpretation of the law, it is a question of application.

Most christians do not think that the law applies to them.

Personally i do not see any law of God that requires interpretation. do you?
---francis on 7/23/13


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francis:

The problem with civil authorities enforcing God's laws is, who interprets just what those laws mean? Many people have different interpretations. Would YOU trust someone from a different church (let alone some government bureaucrat) to interpret God's laws the same ways you do?

I'm sure God is just in his interpretations of his laws, but I wouldn't have the same assurance about finite imperfect men attempting to do the same.
---StrongAxe on 7/23/13


2 Peter 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

2 Peter 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

2 Peter 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog [is] turned to his own vomit again, and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
---francis on 7/23/13


Sister Lidia, your right. A person is either saved or he is not. Christians are not backsliders. No Christian is ever lost, yet all human beings sin even Christians. The difference is that when a Christian sins, God chastens them. We don't know what God is going to do, He could let a person go very deep in sin, to bring that person to a greater faith. Those things are in the hands of God. Adultery has consequences, a person could lose their family. Many suffer for the sin of one person. Aids is another problem that causes death. Unbelievers go to church, know about the Truth, act great among believers, but at home they beat their wives or Children, get drunk and do what the world does. They never committed their hearts to Christ.
---Mark_V. on 7/23/13


To bro.Mark, and Shira4368, you sure are right! I used to attend a church that constant about over & over " to put all kinds of say this one or that one was now backslidden"... in the most of these churches, I am being honest here, not talking about people on here, most times more than people will admit- like my late husband ( who got a lady pregnant in our congregation,So I do not belirve in that phrase " back slide"! How many times you going to get saved? Either you are or are not!??
Shira' you right! I got a neighbor next door, 3 yrs. Ago her poor daughter got AIDS from her husband! She died, suffered terribly. He left her alone.I rather be by myself. Sin has repercussions/ consequences! Thanks! God bless all.
---lidia4796 on 7/22/13


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There have been times in the past when civil government has made laws such as adultery a crime

Laws such as witchcraft was a crime

There were ( are) many blue laws that made certain violation of biblical laws crimes

But to God, many of these laws are crimes punishable by death
---francis on 7/21/13


\\To GOD, all sins are as crimes. \\

Are they?

If so, does this mean you should be prosecuted in an earthly criminal court for your sins?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/21/13


Gordon, I didn't understand what I said when I first answered. You said,
"He might have had a false-conversion, that is possible.
But, his conversion could've been genuine and he BACK-SLID into sin, away from the LORD.
You don't believe someone can become back-slidden?"
Your points are not valid. Everyone sins. At what point do you judge someone backsliden? What kind of crime or sin makes a person backslidden? Do you have some kind of list of standards?
Just stop to think Gordon. Who stopped David from sinning for what he did? God. Since God can make someone stop, why didn't He prevent him from sinning in the first place? He could have if He so wanted, but let him go as deep as he did for a purpose.
---Mark_V. on 7/22/13


---Gordon on 7/21/13
you are 100% correct
In the law of God adultery is a crime, punishment by death of the civil government ( elders)

Leviticus 20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
---francis on 7/21/13


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Gordon, adultery is a moral wrong and examples are in the bible. when people commit adultery it is a sin against their whole body. it don't matter what man says, God says.....the whole world is corrupt and its no wonder adultery is the normal thing. everyone is doing it so they say. well, everyone is not doing it. those who do are risking std's. then they carry it back to their spouse. don't make any sense to me.
---shira4368 on 7/21/13


Cluny, I said that TO GOD Adultery is a crime. I did not say that to all men or unto some men, or in all of man's laws, or even some of them, Adultery is a crime.

It doesn't matter one bit if not one individual human being considered Adultery to be a breach of law.

All that matters, at the end of the day, is what GOD thinks! To GOD, all sins are as crimes.

Now, I'll repeat this, yet again, if you didn't get it this second time around either.

Okay?
---Gordon on 7/21/13


Cluny, very good point you made concerning sin and crime. Two very different things. But I believe Gordon's way of expressing crime is not such a big issue unless we define crime and sin. What can be a crime against man's law, might not be a sin in God's law. We are to follow man's laws but only when they don't go against God's laws.
---Mark_V. on 7/20/13


\\To GOD, Adultery is a CRIME.\\

Gordon, you would have a difficult time prosecuting adultery in any US criminal court on that ground.

I'm sorry you cannot grasp the difference between "crime" and "sin."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/19/13


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Gordon and Shira, thank you both for your kind and very discerning answers which have certainly been helpful.

I am bowing out of this one now so as to give no more fuel to the fire brewing in another user.
---Rita_H on 7/19/13


I'd say that this man has fallen far and has far to climb, with much prayer and repentence to offer (to both God and any individual affected).

Pray for him, discuss with only those who need to know and love him through this. Not easy sometimes but necessary.

Hope you cope with God's help as I know what you are talking about. So sad.
---andreea on 7/19/13


Gordon, what you say fall means is sin. If that is what you call fall, then every single person falls everyday. For everyone sins. That is not the fall I was talking about. The fall I was speaking of is someone losing salvation once they have been saved. The Bible speaks of David sinning yet has no room to speak about every single person in the world who sin everyday, for there is not enough room in the Bible to speak of those others. So fall's doesn't mean sin, for all sin and come short of the glory of God. Fallen from God is to lose salvation, and no one who belongs to God perishes.
David sinned, and God granted him repentance to make him right with God.
---Mark_V. on 7/18/13


...but adultery is not a crime anywhere in the USA, believe it or not.---Cluny on 7/17/13

Oh but you are wrong. In Georgia there is law against Adultery that hasn't been appealed.
Several years ago, (I believe 5 years ago) A lady called the police on her husband demanding his arrest using the law statue.
The police told her they had to catch him in the act before they could arrest him.

It hit the news because it shows how some laws placed into existence over a century ago had not been address by the state congress.
As I understand it, they still haven't to this day. So it is still a crime in Georgia if the person can prove it according to the law books.
This goes for not showering as well.
---Nikki on 7/17/13


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Cluny, Funny that you should say that "Adultery is not a crime in America, nor anywhere else", for America and other countries have TURNED AWAY FROM GOD.

And, it matters not one whit that all have not considered Adultery as a crime, for, what only matters is WHAT GOD THINKS OF ADULTERY.

As ROMANS 3:4 says, "...let GOD be True, but every man a liar..."

And, what does GOD think of Adultery?

Do you know?

To GOD, Adultery is a CRIME.

King David committed a crime against GOD when he committed Adultery.
---Gordon on 7/17/13


\\he surely fell and it took many prayers from the heart of david before God would restore him.\\

Did it?

\\ I don't think he ever got to where he was with God before he sinned. \\

You don't? The old "bird with a broken wing will never fly has high again?"

\\now david did a serious sin. adultery, murder of mistress husband. those are serious. one would be in prison for that today.\\

Possibly for murder, but adultery is not a crime anywhere in the USA, believe it or not.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/17/13


Shira, As you said, is what happened to king David.

GOD said to David, through the Prophet Nathan, in II SAMUEL 12:10, as a response to David's sins of Coveting (the wife of Uriah), Adultery (with Uriah's wife), and for Murder (of Uriah), "Now, therefore, the sword (murder, death and unholy division) shall never depart from thine house, because thou hast despised ME, and hast taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be thy wife."



Mark V, Was not king David one of GOD's chosen?

Was he or wasn't he?

And, nevertheless, DID DAVID STILL SIN?

Did king David FALL INTO SIN AND REBELLION against GOD, or not?

Is not ALL sin "rebellion against GOD"? (rhetorical question!)
---Gordon on 7/17/13


Mark_V. on 7/17/13
man you are an idiot

Proverbs 24:16 For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief.

Ezekiel 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
---francis on 7/17/13


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if believers can't fall, what happened to King david? he surely fell and it took many prayers from the heart of david before God would restore him. I don't think he ever got to where he was with God before he sinned. now david did a serious sin. adultery, murder of mistress husband. those are serious. one would be in prison for that today.
---shira4368 on 7/17/13


Heretic francis, when I said,
"Gordon, for your information no genuine believer falls. God will make you stand.
---Mark_V. on 7/16/13"

You then answered with,
"Proverbs 24:16 For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again:" to oppose my view. But again you are wrong. The passage is not saying that righteous man fall seven times. It teaches,
may fall seven times" It doesn't mean they have already fallen seven times.
The writer of Proverbs is saying that if the plots of wicked against the righteous temporarly were successful in bringing a righteous man down, ultimately the wicked will fall under God's judgment and find no help for deliverance, that is a sure thing.
---Mark_V. on 7/17/13


Beyond belief:

2 peter 1:5_10 "And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, and to virtue knowledge, And to knowledge temperance, and to temperance patience, and to patience godliness, And to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:..."
---Nana on 7/16/13


Gordon, for your information no genuine believer falls. God will make you stand.
---Mark_V. on 7/16/13
Proverbs 24:16 For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again:
---francis on 7/16/13


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Rita, I hope that, in some way, you received the answer you needed. Hope it will help in some way. GOD still loves this man, of whom you're referring to here. HE is willing that none perish. Pray that GOD's Spirit will, in loving Patience, convict his heart and soul to repent and return to the LORD, and make restitution with others. YAH Bless.
---Gordon on 7/16/13


Gordon, for your information no genuine believer falls. God will make you stand. Jesus will sustain you to the end guiltless in the Day of the Lord (1 Cor. 1:7-9).
So no, I do not believe anyone can be lost and don't believe they can come back. They are either saved, or they are not saved, period. God loses no one. Here is what Jesus said,
\" The works that I do in My Fathers name, they bear witness of Me. But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep" Do you have ears to hear that? "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish, neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand" ( John 10:25-28). Do you not believe that?
---Mark_V. on 7/16/13


\\Cluny, You are the tale-bearer, because you are accusing Rita, and wrongly so, of being a "gossip, a tale-bearer, and a busy-body".\\

I talked about Rita to her face, and said things to her face, cyberly speaking.

RITA talked about a man behind his back.

THIS is gossip and tale bearing, not what I did.

\\When anyone who has true discernment can see that she is not all that.\\

But you don't have true discernment, Gordon.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/16/13


Mark V, Rita only put in the "details" that she did so that the people here could understand the dilemma as it really is.

The man professed Christianity, did well for awhile but later, fell into some grave sinfulness.

She gave no ultra-personal details about what kind of sin it was, or what his name is.

He might have had a false-conversion, that is possible.

But, his conversion could've been genuine and he BACK-SLID into sin, away from the LORD.

You don't believe someone can become back-slidden?

What...?

The Bible is RIFE with examples of people of GOD who became back-slidden, and some came back to HIM.

King David is a prime example!
---Gordon on 7/16/13


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Cluny, You are the tale-bearer, because you are accusing Rita, and wrongly so, of being a "gossip, a tale-bearer, and a busy-body".

When anyone who has true discernment can see that she is not all that.

She did not name the man's name, nor did she even name his sins!

She gave only just enough info for us to get the picture of what's happening so we can know how to respond to the situation.

She is seeking Godly Counsel here. That's her reason for bringing this up.


Sometimes when some people find the kinds of things she said as "provocatively revealing", (when it really isn't), actually have issues of their own that need dealt with and are feeling convicted about them from deep inside.
---Gordon on 7/16/13


Cluny, I have been following your answers and for the past two months or so, your answers have changed so much. You are doing great answering. I believe things changed when you repented on one of your answers. I like that. Here, I believe you are correct. I know what Rita is looking for, for us to assume the person she is talking about is saved already. But we do not know if he is or not so how can anyone answer? If he is save already, he should not be practicing sin. Yet all believers are sinners saved by the grace of God. And all believers are chasten by God for sinning. One Person that knows what he is doing is God. He will take care of him and everyone else, we should just follow Christ instead of telling everyone what he is doing.
---Mark_V. on 7/16/13


Rita, the Bible says, "Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment, because as He is, so are we in this world." (1 John 4:17)

My opinion is that if he became perfected in God's love, his character would be incapable of doing as you describe.

People can copy-cat how ones tell them to be saved, then copy-cat even leading others to Christ, and they can then put on the act that is considered to be "fruit" of salvation, charming each other with their verses of salvation . . . but while deeply their character is not in Jesus Christ's "rest for your souls." (in Matthew 11:28-30)

So, I need to examine my own self!
---willie_c: on 7/16/13


They will be lost. See First John.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/15/13


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\\rita, cluny doesn't have any tact and he never answers without being sarcastic.\\

Wrong again, shira.

See my answers to Geraldine.

See my answer to your question about how Satan works.

And was Jesus being sarcastic and tactless to St. Peter when asked, "What should this man do? What about him?" and Jesus relied, "What business is that of yours? You just follow ME!"

Glory to Jesus Christ!

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/15/13


Mark 4: 30,31,32. when the word of God is sown like a seed it will grow larger than any sin in your life. That is what Jesus said So sow away the sin in you life by sowing the Gospel. If you can sow good news Jesus calls you perfect. I did not call you perfect Jesus will call you perfect.
---Bryan on 7/15/13


rita, cluny doesn't have any tact and he never answers without being sarcastic. I don't see you as a tale bearer but I see you as concerned about someone you probably know. if one is truly saved and they keep living in sin, God will bring great wrath on him. we don't know what too far means and how Christ makes that decision. we know there is a sin unto death. I would be afraid I would cross that line. we never know. you can pray for him.
---shira4368 on 7/15/13


\\You're the only one tale-bearing here.\\

Please quote exactly WHAT tales I am bearing, Gordon. It's a relatively simply thing to do a cut and paste of my exact words that will prove your charge I'm tale bearing.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/15/13


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Cluny,

Enough.

You're the only one tale-bearing here.





Thank you, Rita. YAH Bless. :-)
---Gordon on 7/15/13


Gordon - thank you very much. I am saddened to read that you are going through something similar and will pray that this situation will ease for you in the very near future.
---Rita_H on 7/14/13


What will happen to a person who claims to be a Christian, yet is a gossip, tale-bearer, busy body, and broadcasts what she things are other people's sins abroad? She lives a life of denial and deceit.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/14/13


If you living in sin, you are a believe who is using the power of God for your on selfish gain. and you will not produce what God want from you. The parable of the sower. God wants more from you than what you can produce for yourself. Use his word to produce what he wants and the man of sin in your life will leave you.That is the GOSPEL truth
---Bryan on 7/14/13


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Rita H, If this man continues in his sin, without repenting, he will perish if he dies in sin and unrepentance, I believe.

Living for the LORD is serious Business.

Pray that the LORD's Holy Spirit will soften his heart, as only GOD can, to see his rebellion and sin, and that he may be encouraged to repent.

If he's sincere, the LORD will forgive him. But, it won't be without consequences that he, and loved ones around him, will have to be borne. (I know, 'cause it's happening to me, now.)

For, GOD is not mocked, we do reap what we sow.

King David had to pay that price for his sin, and so do we.

GOD can curb or buffer the consequences if HE chooses to, in HIS Wisdom. But, it's not to be presumed upon.
---Gordon on 7/14/13


\\I actually asked a question. What will happen to..........?\\

Why are you asking people on these blogs, Rita?

You have given the very strong impression that God tells you the secrets of other people's hearts and whose prayers He hears.

Why shouldn't you think He has told you His judgments, that you should have to ask US poor mortals?

And if you are really seeking information, in my own opinion, your question about what will happen to other people is not worth answering.

Remember when the only Messiah was asked, "What about this man? What will happen to him", Jesus replied, "What is that to you? You follow ME."

Glory to Jesus (not Rita) Christ!
---Cluny on 7/13/13


It seems to not have been understood or noticed by most of you here that (apart from the last 8 words) I actually asked a question. What will happen to..........? Most have chosen to condemn me for bringing up a touchy subject but have not actually given an answer. You are more content in answering each others' entries than sticking to the question asked. Thank you to those who actually did ANSWER what I asked.
---Rita_H on 7/13/13


Geraldine, I will try to answer your question. it sounds as tho your friend could have gotten saved but people need discipleship to grow. that is one important ministry to be in. help people grow. some grow on their own and some don't. maybe he is the one that will face rejection by God. God will tell some matt 7:23,,"and then I will profess unto them, I never knew you, depart from me, he that work iniquity." when one is saved they cannot keep sinning. God's punishment will visit them and God will win. we are Gods and not our own.
---shira4368 on 7/13/13


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\\You accuse me of knowing nothing of what goes on between him and God - wrong again. Some people pray 'amiss'.
I DO know God will not listen to someone continuing in sin and repenting all within the same hour and then going back to the sinful acts.\\

How do you possibly bear the dreadful knowledge of what goes on between an individual and God?

How do you stand knowing which prayers God listens to and which He does not? And how did you merit the awesome gift of knowing who prays "amiss" and who does not?

Such knowledge would totally crush my own poor soul and heart.

Glory to Jesus Christ! (Perhaps I should start saying "Glory to Rita Christ!")
---Cluny on 7/13/13


Rita and Gordon, read the prayer I quoted and take it to heart.

And as far as what you claim to know, Rita, St. Paul said, "Knowledge puffs up."

You would do better to pray for this person.

And, as they say at Oral Roberts University, go pray for yourself.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/13/13


Cluny - did you miss the words in my question "He continues to live as if no-one knows"? He continues in the sin which brought about the question.

Yes, Jesus said "He who is without sin cast the first stone" and He also said "Where are those who condemn you?" and "Go and sin no more."

Continuing the sin is not "Sinning no more." You accuse me of knowing nothing of what goes on between him and God - wrong again. Some people pray 'amiss'.
I DO know God will not listen to someone continuing in sin and repenting all within the same hour and then going back to the sinful acts. That would be a mockery of God and the meaning of forgiveness and repentance.
---Rita_H on 7/13/13


2 Timothy 2:25 - In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves , if God peradventure will will give them repentance to acknowledging the truth,

( God grants a person repentance - The word here - Peradventure - means maybe )
---RICHARDC on 7/13/13


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Cluny, I knew that I would receive at least one response like yours.

I know far more about this person's sin and his LACK OF REPENTANCE than you can possibly imagine. He thinks that no-one but his wife and children know what he has done and is still doing and continues to 'fool' all others. It would seem that he has even forgotten that GOD knows. Jesus did not just say 'repent', He also said 'go and sin no more'. The two go together like a hand in a glove.

How sad it is that, here, certain people cannot just answer a question as it is asked.
---Rita_H on 7/13/13


Ritah, first of all, you really have no proof that person was saved to begin with. No way of telling. Many look and act very religious or very Christian, but they are far from been one. I can tell you that on line, of people answering, many are not Christian either, but many times sound very religious by making religious comments or putting passages together. I say many are not saved, because of their answers concerning the gospel. Many have the wrong gospel. The wrong gospel saves no one.
A person has to examine himself, if he has a true love for Christ or not. If they do, they would be guided by the Spirit unto good works because they are God's workmanship created in Christ Jesus unto good works.
---Mark_V. on 7/13/13


Galatians 5:16 - This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not be fill the lust of the flesh
Galatians 5:17 - For the flesh lusteth against the spirit, and the spirit against the flesh,and these things are contrary the one to the other, so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Galatians 5:18 - But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the Law,
---RICHARDC on 7/12/13


If you go back into sin, and do not repent, you will not be saved
Ezekiel 18:24
Hebrews 10:26
Hebrews 6:4-6
2 Peter 2: 20-22
Luke 9:62
---francis on 7/12/13


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Cluny, Now who's judging someone else's heart?

How do you know that Rita's heart intention's are to slander and gossip?

Did she drop anybody's name, specifically?

Perhap's this involves a real scenario in her life in which she needs someone else's more mature counsel on.

You seem to have HER all figured out, but can't seem to be able to answer her initial question.

So, who's really the one missing the point, Cluny?
---Gordon on 7/12/13


Meditate upon this prayer, everybody.

O Lord and Master of my life, give me not the spirit of sloth, meddling, lust for power and idle talk.
But grant unto Thy servant, a spirit of chastity (integrity), humility, patience and love.
Yea, O Lord and King, grant me to see mine own faults and not to judge my brother. For blessed art Thou unto the ages of ages. Amen
---Cluny on 7/12/13


\\Cluny, Did Rita say that the man repented at all?\\

My point, which both you and Rita are missing, is that she has NO IDEA what's going on in his heart between him and God.

She has NO IDEA if he actually repented.

All she wants to do is gossip about someone else and ask for affirmation of her judging him ("He lives a life of denial and deceit.") and feel somehow morally superior to him.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/12/13


Rita "Who are you to condemn someone else's servant? Their own master will judge whether they stand or fall. And with the Lord's help, they will stand and receive his approval." Rom 14:4 NLT
"So don't make judgments about anyone ahead of time---before the Lord returns. For he will bring our darkest secrets to light and will reveal our private motives. Then God will give to each one whatever praise is due." 1Cr 4:5
"Do not speak evil of one another. He who speaks evil of a brother and judges his brother, speaks evil of the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge." Jam 4:11 NKJV
---josef on 7/11/13


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"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye, and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."
Matthew 7:1-5

"...He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." John 8:7
---christan on 7/12/13


Rita, NUMBERS 32:23b says "...behold, ye have sinned against the LORD: and be sure your sin will find you out."

This saying applies to all sins, not just the one directly referred to in this Verse.

I know someone who lived in "hidden" sin, and this person didn't have to tell anyone else about it directly, and it still brought this person DOWN. Worse than ever anticipated.

Sins need to be exposed to Godly Counsel and repented of or they will destroy the sinner and wound others all around.



Cluny, Did Rita say that the man repented at all?

If he didn't, perhaps someone else is being hurt by the man's sin. And, perhaps he HASN'T repented of nor acknowledged his wrongdoing, and needs to.
---Gordon on 7/12/13


Rita_H, you apparently think you know about his sin, but do you know his repentance?

Let's talk about YOUR sins, instead, Rita, just as judging him and gossip.

Consider, rather, what will happen to YOU.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/11/13


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