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How To Control Sinning

Some want to know how to control their sins, I am talking about believers. What is your advice? Give Scripture to confirm the advice you are giving comes from God.

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I get many answers from the living author of Scriptures face-to-face....[1] Stay in prayer,[2] Seek His advice, [3] Get to know God, well face-to-face,[4] Fall in love with Him, [5] Study the word of God.
---catherine on 8/1/13


"is the word of God not good enough for you? it is for us SDA." francis

O, the Word of God is most definitely sufficient for me. It's the way you and your SDA interpret the Word that's the issue. For example, "And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD." Isaiah 66:23

You actually believe in God's kingdom of heaven, there's going to be a "new moon... one sabbath to another"? Or is Isaiah simply giving us a glimpse of the total worship of God 100% in heaven? Btw, can "all flesh" inherit the kingdom of God?
---christan on 8/1/13


"But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, for you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men, for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in" (Matt. 23:13). ---MarkV////


This verse can also apply to Calvinists. This verse is not about putting a yoke on those who are already saved, already belong to God. The Pharisees were not saved to begin with, therefore can hardly put a yoke on those who belong to God.

If you're not "IN", you are not saved. AND this verse is not even addressed to the Church Age. WE enter in through the veil, that is to say His Flesh. Hebrews 10

SO those who stand in the way of the CROSS are the enemies of the Cross.
---kathr4453 on 8/1/13


francis strikes me as someone whose heart always wishes to serve the Lord as these REAL people did: (that's noble isn't it?)
2 Chronicles 34:31_33 "And the king stood in his place, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments, and his testimonies, and his statutes, with all his heart, and with all his soul, to perform the words of the covenant which are written in this book."
---Nana on 8/1/13


"A simple yes or no will do.
---Mark_V. on 7/31/13.
How many questions did Jesus answer with yes or no?"
francis on 7/31/13
francis are you trying to put yourself on the level of Jesus. He answered those who questioned Him in the manner that He did because they were trying to trap Him.
He also said, "Let your yea be yea and your nay be nay," Matt 5:37 That's a yes or no.
Does that answer your question, yea or nay?
---Elder on 7/31/13




MarkV. Good scripture you quoted, in referring to the likes of Francis.
//"But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, for you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men, for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in" (Matt. 23:13). That is what you do, put a yoke all those who belong to God.//

Similarly Rom 1:18 speaks likewise against the likes of Francis.
Rom 1:18
"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who SUPPRESS THE TRUTH in unrighteousness"

Francis, for your own sake, repent of your dead works and believe in Jesus
---Haz27 on 7/31/13


francis, you did not answer the question again, are you sinless? A simple yes or no will be great. You talk and talk but you do not do the walk. The Pharisees did the same thing to others, Jesus said to them,
"But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, for you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men, for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in" (Matt. 23:13). That is what you do, put a yoke all those who belong to God.

So now you say,
"How many questions did Jesus answer with yes or no?"

You are not Jesus, so do not compare yourself to Him. You are a sinner.
---Mark_V. on 7/31/13


According to scripture, the only way to control sinning is found in Romans 6...shall we continue to SIN that Grace may abound? God Forbid...DON'T YOU KNOW...here Paul leads into the truth of your salvation expecting everyone who is saved SHOULD KNOW that we died with Christ and in doing so we died to sin.

That is the ONLY way to control sin. If you have not been crucified with Christ, becoming obedient to that truth walking in it, submitting to it reckoning it a fact, then you can never even come close to controlling sin.
---kathr4453 on 7/31/13


A simple yes or no will do.
---Mark_V. on 7/31/13.
How many questions did Jesus answer with yes or no?

Job 1:1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job, and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil

1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteou
---francis on 7/31/13


As long as we breath human air we WILL fall short of God's plan for our lives & we WILL sin. I always beg for forgiveness & depend on Romans 8:26-30. asking God to see my heart & know that the sin I've given in to is not what I want. The 8th chapter of Romans lets us know that all the earth is anticipating the day when sin & death will no longer have a hold on it. Begging for God's forgiveness is the only way I know to respond to sin in our life. Just because we give our hearts to Christ does not mean we no longer sin. It only means you will not live in that sin. As a Christian the quilt from giving in to sin will cause you to repent with a broken heart. Sin requires God's forgiveness.
---Reba on 7/31/13




Adetunji, you say to me,
"Mark_V: To control sin or to triumph over sin, a person must totally live in Jesus Christ John 15:5."
That is not what the passage is teaching at all, how to control sin. That is not even mentioned.
"I am the vine, you are the branches, He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit, for without Me you can do nothing" Nothing in the passage to indicate that we can control sin by what it says. If we abide in Christ we will bear much fruit. Why? Because God, who is the vine helps us produce good fruit. It does not say perfect fruit, but much fruit.
---Mark_V. on 7/31/13


Francis, again you did not answer my question but made more remarks. Are you saying you are without sin? Are you sinless? Have you kept all of the laws perfect? A simple yes or no will do.
---Mark_V. on 7/31/13


"Spirit of the law" is the deeper intent or spiritual meaning behind the law

The commandment to keep the Sabbath says that we must work on the 6 working days, and rest on the Sabbath along with everyone in our household.

Sabath is not just a day off from work.

Here is the spirit of the Sabbath commandment:

Isaiah 66:23 from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me,

Isaiah 58:13 call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable, and shalt honour him,

Matthew 12:12 do well on the sabbath days.

Matthew 12:5 Do the work of priest or pastor, spiritual ministries on sabbath

So Mark_V is deveived, he does not keep the spirit of the law
---francis on 7/31/13


francis, from now on my answer to you will be, that the written law given to Israel is fulfilled in Christ for me. I now follow the Spirit of the Law. So go ahead and put down the written law, as you always do, it will remind you what you have to do."
---Mark_V. on 7/30/13


If you want to put sin under your feet were it belong learn to sow the gospel. Jesus explains how the word is like a seed but when it is sow it will grow over all the other plants in your garden, parable. You have things growing in your life you want out this is had to get rid of them. bible Mark 4 best chapter in the bible
---Bryan on 7/30/13


francis, if the laws of God are so important to you,
---Mark_V. on 7/30/13
And they are not impartant to you why? I know why. To admit that we must keep the law would mean admit that we must also keep the saturday sabbath. On this commandment you would rather not obey God

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
---francis on 7/30/13


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francis, if the laws of God are so important to you, why do you break them? Or are you telling us that all SDA's keep all the laws, including you? Go ahead and lie to us again.
---Mark_V. on 7/30/13


Mark_V: To control sin or to triumph over sin, a person must totally live in Jesus Christ John 15:5.
---Adetunji on 7/30/13


And where did you get this "sabbath" nonsense from? Most definitely not from Jesus Christ or His Father.
---christan on 7/29/13

I have noticed that in many of your post, you tend to ignore what thebile says to start a silly arguement, why is that?

is the word of God not good enough for you?

it is for us SDA

Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.

Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
---francis on 7/29/13


"Don't you see that even in heaven we will be worshiping God on the sabbath?" francis

And where did you get this "sabbath" nonsense from? Most definitely not from Jesus Christ or His Father. Is that what your SDA cooked up and came to this conclusion that there's even a "sabbath day" in the kingdom of God?

Sabbath was a literal day in the OT set aside for worshipping God. We are then told by the Lord Jesus Christ that it was actually pointing and referring to Him. Confirming His deity that He's God in the flesh. "That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath."

Btw, heaven is eternal - timeless or don't you know?
---christan on 7/29/13


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francis, from now on my answer to you will be, that the written law given to Israel is fulfilled in Christ for me. I now follow the Spirit of the law. So go ahead and put down the written law, as you always do, it will remind you what you have to do.
---Mark_V. on 7/29/13


---Mark_V. on 7/28/13

Numbers 15:32 And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day... And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.

Romans 3:5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance?
God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?
For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory, why yet am I also judged as a sinner?

francis is right in line with the unchanging God
---francis on 7/28/13


---Mark_V. on 7/28/13


Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.

Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD

when are you going to tell him that I told you to keep the sabbath,and you did not: when you come to worship him on the sabbath?

Don't you see that even in heaven we will be worshiping God on the sabbath?
---francis on 7/28/13


francis, you say to me,
"what are you going to tell God, you did not keep his law because francis asked you to keep it?"
I am going to give Him thanks for sending His Son to atone for my sins for I could not keep the law perfect, everytime I tried, I failed. I will give Him all the honor and glory that only belongs to Him alone. I will tell Him, I will try to be obedient to His law the rest of my life.

I will also tell Him, that I met a guy named francis on CN, who always tried to put others under the law by writings the law down for them. That he judged them as sinners for not keeping Saturday Sabbath. And ask Him to give you a break and let you in. What happens after that, is up to God.
---Mark_V. on 7/28/13


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---Peter on 7/28/13
4 Things baned:
So christians no longer needd to be circumcised. They are not to eat animals strangled, not to eat blood, abstain from idolatry, and fornication

They are not told not to keep the sabbath, in fact the chapter encourages all believers to keep the sabbath:
Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

If the intent was to ban the sabbath, then they should have offered an alternative to the converts as to when to hear the word of God ( moses of old) which teaches against eating animals that die by themselves, idoltry, fornication and eating blood.

is that your understanding?
---francis on 7/28/13


Francis: There is one letter written in the new testament, of about 150 words - you can read it yourself, it is in Acts 15:23-29. Itonly bans 4 things in total, and the sabbath is not mentioned.

It was written by the church to prevent too many laws being given by people who just wanted to add regulations
---Peter on 7/28/13


francis, James 2:10-13 is your answer to my question, "And if they do not keep the whole law of God, what then happens to them?" Are you serious?

James 2:10-13 is simply telling us the severity of the law and it's consequences it come with (remember, "the wages of sin is death!"). IT DOESN'T in any ways advocate to us Christians that we have to obey the law as a way to God's kingdom, because it's impossible!

If that's the way to God's kingdom, I hereby declare to you that the Lord Jesus Christ DIDN'T DIE FOR YOUR SINS! And neither has the grace of God come upon your guilty soul. You're advocating justification by the works of the law. You're what Christ calls, "a worker of iniquity".
---christan on 7/27/13


Jerry and Samualbb7 have admitted they FAIL to KEEP the commandments. They do NOT obey the law PERFECTLY. By their own definition, they do NOT do righteousness.

Francis always avoids such questions about himself, but he has acknowledged that SDA's FAIL to obey the law perfectly.

SDA's such as Francis/Jerry/Samualbb7 contradict themselves. They preach righteousness proved by PERFECT obedience to the law, yet they themselves FAIL to obey the law perfectly.

SDA doctrine of contradictions and condemnation lacks any credibility and consistency with scripture.
---Haz27 on 7/27/13


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---Mark_V. on 7/27/13
Put francis aside. Does God ask you to keep His commandments? Does God ask us to keep the Sabbath?

You try to make it sound as it if it francis who is asking you to do something that God says don't do.

Lev 22:31 Therefore shall ye keep my commandments, and do them: I am the LORD


Ezekiel 44:24 they shall keep my laws and my statutes in all mine assemblies, and they shall hallow my sabbaths.

Romans 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law,

what are you going to tell God, you did not keep his law because francis asked you to keep it?
---francis on 7/27/13


There is a very simple answer to this question.
Phil 2:5 Let this mind be in you, that was also in Christ Jesus.
Read this entire book. You will see how even your converstaion should be that which brings honor and glory to Christ, ch 1:27. You will find that some christians will have to stop cursing and learn to treat their mates and others right.
The book of Philippians was written by Paul. Its purpose was to give proper insight to people about special/key areas of the Christian life. It also shows us how to identify with Christ in many different circumstances
---Elder on 7/27/13


Amazing how some take a part of a verse and try to make it say what they believe.

2 Cor 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth
know we him no more.
Paul is speaking of knowing Christ's earthly ministry. Paul teaches what the ascended Christ is doing, not what He did in the flesh.
---michael_e on 7/27/13


Too many are still the people they used to be before they met Christ

2 Cor 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away, behold, all things are become new.

Phil 3:12 Not as though I had already attained, ... but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.


1 Peter 1:13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, .. As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:... so be ye holy in all manner of conversation,
---francis on 7/27/13


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francis, you ask us to follow the law for one reason only, not because you keep it yourself but because you want everyone to do Saturday Sabbath like SDA's do. No other reason you are here everyday pushing for Saturday. You promote the law, we promote the Lord Jesus Christ and the Spirit of the Law. Big difference. Obedience is not an option. It comes when a person is born of God. He does not need you francis to do what God through the Spirit to us each day. You are a sinner, you cannot demand anything from anyone, maybe your family but that is it.
---Mark_V. on 7/27/13


reba, you bring a good point but Jesus tells us to forgive 70X70X70. if we don't forgive, God don't forgive. all that means is God forgives over and over and over.
---shira4368 on 7/27/13


Francis was asked: "Have you kept the whole law of God?"

As always, francis avoids answering such questions.
But most know the answer is "No", francis has NOT perfectly obeyed the law. He has NOT even kept the Sabbath properly.

Jerry6593 and Samualbb7 are more honest than Francis as they have admitted they FAIL to obey the law perfectly. They FAIL to do righteousness. They're guilty of ALL the law (James 2:10).

Francis may profess to know God, but by his works of the law for righteousness he denies God, being abominable, disobedient, and disqualified for every good work (Tit 1:16). Francis seeks to be perfected by the flesh. His mind has been corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ (2Cor 11:3).
---Haz27 on 7/27/13


And if they do not keep the whole law of God, what then happens to them?
---christan on 7/26/13
Here is what God says, not Francis but God:

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
James 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
James 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
James 2:13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy, and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.

do you believe that?
---francis on 7/27/13


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"My posts encourage everyone to keep the whole law of God (all ten commandments, and the dietary laws)." francis

And if they do not keep the whole law of God, what then happens to them? Are they going to lose their salvation that God promised to them? A simple yes or no would suffice. No long speeches please.

Have you kept the whole law of God?
---christan on 7/26/13


I am very grateful for the comments of Mark_V and HAZ.

If you watch closely, you will notice a sharp contrast between their post and mine: My posts encourage everyone to keep the whole law of God ( all ten commandments, and the dietary laws). My post remind everyone that God has placed the spirit of God in us, that God has given us his divine nature, and that Christ dwells in our hearts by faith to strength the inner man, the man who desires to obey God

Mark_V and HAZ on the other hand scoff at the idea of obedience to the laws of God, and even denies the power of God to keep us from falling into sin

1 Corinthians 11:19 There must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
---francis on 7/26/13


Legalists like Francis, all FAIL to obey the law perfectly. They DON'T do righteousness. And as they're under the law they're guilty of ALL of it (James 2:10).

Yet, in spite of their own FAILURE to do righteousness, they preach we have to do righteousness by PERFECT obedience to the law.
Francis says "No, No, No" to salvation for anyone who does not do righteousness through deeds of the law.

Jude 4 warns about such legalists. Ungodly people who turn the grace of God into lasciviousness/lust (to fornicate with Hagar/righteousness by works of the law), denying the Lord Jesus.
---Haz27 on 7/26/13


every christian has the law of God in their heart. They know that they are to obey the law of God

then from out of nowhere comes Mark_V and HAZ and say that if you obey the law you are a sinner, and that you have fallen from grace, or that you are in bondage. So what do some do being afraid to be labeled, they stop keeping some of the laws.

What people like mark_V and HAZ do is this: While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. So now the dog has returned to it's vomit you are back in the sin you did not want to be in 2 peter 2
---francis on 7/26/13


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I have a question to go with Mark's question: Many believe that all sins committed BEFORE Salvation are forgiven & never remembered by God. However, all sins committed AFTER Salvation, even though forgiven when you repent, you will be held accountable for at the judgment. Some even believe all will see your sin.(That's a reason to not sin, for sure:-/) What are your thoughts to this?
---Reba on 7/26/13


"Then along comes Haz and mark_V they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. While they promise you liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning"
---francis on 7/25/13

Yes indeed!
---Nana on 7/26/13


francis, are are sounding just like the Pharises who followed Jesus, accusing Him of breaking the Sabbath and the law when you say,
"Then along comes Haz and mark_V they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. While they promise you liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption"
That is what the Pharises told Jesus. And what did Jesus call them? Vipers, and hypocrites. Legalist who tried to find fault with others for breaking the law. You are a common Pharises, and a hypocrite.
---Mark_V. on 7/26/13


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---Mary on 7/25/13


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Hello, when I awake "goodmorning Jesus" Joy comes in the morning,sometimes I cry tears of joy,we laugh,too.I tell him,ok water bill,paid!ha!ha! here my vs.Ps.143:10,Pro.8:13,16:18 to control sin,helps if you avoid "triggers" -get you in trouble..#1.not go visit friends will need $ knowing not going to pay you back,.Be carefull, alot of temptations/ I do not talk to old boyfriends, if they see me, "hi" & goodby! Tell them " I got Jesus!" that's it! keep my hobbies,I have alot to do & not easy, Jesus, I talk to him,through my day,night,too! Works for me.
---lidia4796 on 7/25/13


When you first accepted Jesus, your hearts desire was that you would NEVER sin again.

Then along comes Haz and mark_V they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. While they promise you liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning
---francis on 7/25/13


"Whoever is without sin throw the first stone"

Jesus very words, guess what? No one threw the first stone, because everyone is a sinner, the Bible tells us so, for all come short of the glory of God. No descendant of Adam is perfect, not one, including SDA's and including francis. Yet he claims sinlessness, that he is able to keep the whole law. He always mentions the Ten Commandments, because the Sabbath is there, but the Bible speaks of the whole law.
He is a sinner, and will always, while alive, be a sinner. When he finally dies, he will stop sinning.
While he is alive he will continue to preach the written law, and follow a different Jesus, could be that is what He was predestined for.
---Mark_V. on 7/25/13


--shira4368 on 7/24/13
1: God's law is not a yoke 1 John 5:3 His commandments are not grievous. it is called the law of liberty: James 1:25 the perfect law of liberty,

2: the ONLY people in bondage are those who do not keep Gods laws: Psalms 119:44 So shall I keep thy law continually for ever and ever, and I will walk at liberty:

IMPORTANT
3: be careful of anyone who tells you "liberty is not keeping the law" 2 Peter 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them
---francis on 7/25/13


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francis, I do believe you are saved but you yoke yourself with heavy laws. Jesus yoke is easy. you don't have to work to stay saved. I am eternally a child of God. no one can take that away from me. I don't burden myself with the same things as you. your flesh will never obey all the law. all the law rest on our love of God and the brethren.
---shira4368 on 7/24/13


"But 1John 3:22,23 tells us what are His commandments that we keep. They are:
1: BELIEVE IN JESUS.
2: Love one another. "
Haz27


For once, I agree with you, though I would add one other important point, "repentance to God". There are many who would agree with just your two points but see no necessity in repentance until death do they part from this world.

Simply believing in Christ without repentance to God is unscriptural. "Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ." That is, repentance is not a one-off process in the salvation of the sinner, it's on-going till we depart from this body of sin.
---christan on 7/24/13


Francis, you quote 1John 2:4 and incorrectly presume it speaks of the law of sin and death.

But 1John 3:22,23 tells us what are His commandments that we keep. They are:
1: BELIEVE IN JESUS.
2: Love one another.

Sadly, for you francis, you are in unbelief as you judge righteousness by deeds of the law. You say "No, No, No" to salvation for anyone who does not have deeds of the law for righteousness.

The doctrine you follow turns the grace of God into lasciviousness/lust (to fornicate with Hagar/righteousness by works of the law), Jude 4.
---Haz27 on 7/24/13


---Mark_V. on 7/24/13
look at what HAZ doctrine closely.

HAZ doctrine is what John is fighting against.
People who believe that once they are christians they can do anything and it is not a sin.

So John writes this: He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4

They taught exactly what HAZ taught.

Here it how this applies to you. You do not keep the sabbath, and yet you claim that even if you do not keep that commmandment you have not sinned
1 John 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

---francis on 7/24/13


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H. francis, you now say,
"Do you think that John is wrong is what he wrote? (concerning 1 John 3:9)
In other words do you believe that what John said is true?
No I don't, I believe you are wrong, becuase the same John wrote before 1 John 3:9)
"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the Truth is not in us" (1 John 1:8). I am not deceived, it seems you are, why? Because the Truth is not in you. Do you believe John lied? Or do you believe you just got it wrong? Take your pick. I believe he is right. You are a sinner if the Truth is in you, even keeping Saturdays as your day of worship will not help you, you need the right Jesus Christ.
---Mark_V. on 7/24/13


---shira4368 on 7/23/13
If I lived n Texas i would say YEE HAA to that post

If I lived in California I would say DUDE

If I lived in Georgia I wold say you know that's right

good post, because we have the spirit of God in us, a Christian cannot live in sin
---francis on 7/23/13


"I believe this with all my heart. I also believe that it is through God that we are able to resist sin, and obey God." francis

And you have resisted sin since you were "saved"? Not even committing a single sin at all? Can you really say you have been sinless ever since? O wow!

Maybe that's why you trust so much in yourself that you hardly even mention nor talk about grace abounding in the Lord Jesus Christ. Maybe that's why your understanding of 1 John 3:9 is erroneous and that's because you don't seem to know which part of the sinner the apostle was writing with regards to this.

And if you really believe you can resist sin, why do you even need to believe in Jesus Christ for? For insurance?
---christan on 7/24/13


//by the spirit of God is US sin is under control//
--francis

Francis, your statement above refers to righteousness by the law. Thus, you have made yourself a sinner as you bring yourself under the law for righteousness by works.

Gal 2:18
"if I build again those things which I destroyed (righteousness by works of the law), I make myself a transgressor"(Sinner)

Whatever the law says it says to those under it, Rom 3:19.

Francis is under the law and failed to keep it perfectly.

BUT Christians are NOT under the law (Rom 8:2, Rom 10:4, Gal 5:18, 1Tim 1:9). Hence we cannot be charged with sin/transgression.
Who shall lay ANYTHING to the charge of those God has justified, Rom 8:33
---Haz27 on 7/23/13


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francis, my sins are covered by the blood of the Lamb. we still get punishment in the flesh. a Christian cannot sin and survive the flesh. just because we are born of the Spirit of God, we still war with our flesh.
---shira4368 on 7/23/13


1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God

I believe this with all my heart. I also believe that it is through God that we are able to resist sin, and obey God.

God allows us to be partakers of the divine nature, 2 Peter 1:4

God grants that Christ may dwell in our hearts by faith Ephesians 3:17

we are led by the Spirit of God Romans 8:14

And it is by this spirit of God in us,Christ in our hearts by faith, this divine nature that we are allowed topartake of that we are able to overcome sin in our mortal bodies

If Christ were not in us, we would be reprobates 2 Corinthians 13:5
---francis on 7/23/13


---christan on 7/23/13
Mark 7:6 This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.

Mark 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Mark 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

Mark 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition

when have you ever known francis to substitute a commandment of men, like sunday for the commandmentof God: Sabbath?
---francis on 7/23/13


francis, I was answering you to the passage you had given. You gave,

"1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."
---Mark_V. on 7/23/13

Do you think that John is wrong is what he wrote?
In other words do you believe that what John said is true?
---francis on 7/23/13


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Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Romans 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Romans 8:10 And if Christ [be] in you, the body [is] dead because of sin, but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness.

Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Again by the spirit of God is US sin is under control
---francis on 7/23/13


francis, you actually have the audacity to say "You seem to have a form of Godliness, but you deny the power of God." Such is your deep hypocrisy that even your cohort, satan would be ashamed to be associated to you.

You have no idea what you're even talking about! Such is the contradiction between freewill and the power of God that you speak like a fool. If God has the power to save, do you think the man's freewill or his will is going to get in His way of wanting to save a sinner?

Christ has this to say to you, "This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me."
---christan on 7/23/13


francis, I was answering you to the passage you had given. You gave,

"1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."
So I ask you if you were without sin. I waited for your answer but got another name calling, idiot.
No one is without sin. Not you or any SDA in the planet and never will be, even if they go to church on Saturdays because
"But if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors, For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all"
That is you francis you show partiality so the law convicts you. You are a transgressor.
---Mark_V. on 7/23/13


Christan see Grandma's post and see my posr. You are the only one who does not believe in the power of God through His spirit to keep us from sin.

You seem to have a form of Godliness, but you deny the power of God.
---francis on 7/22/13


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francis, you may quote all the verses from the Holy Bible you want, even satan knows the Scriptures. But for your kind the Scriptures have contradicted your erroneous understandings. Let the Word remind you of the law,

"Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin." Romans 3:20 - understand?

"For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth." Romans 10:3,4 - comprehend?
---christan on 7/22/13


People cannot control their sins. Only the Holy Spirit can do that for us. I look at Romans 7 to see the battle a believer has with sin.
---Grandma on 7/22/13


---christan on 7/22/13
You missed a very important verse

1 Cor 15:57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

and all the others

Ephesians 3:16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man,
That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith

Romans 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2 Peter 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness,
..that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature,..
---francis on 7/22/13


"Put on the whole armour of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil..." (Ephesians 6:11-18)
---Leon on 7/22/13


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H. Francis, by the passages you gave are you telling us you are sinless? Without sin? A simple yes or no will do.
---Mark_V. on 7/22/13
That is your view because you are an idiot
The passage says that we do not LIVE IN SIN
you know like not keeping the sabbath and not asking forgiveness for that sin
or eating the abomination and saying that it is no sin

you know LIVING in SIN
---francis on 7/22/13


Controlling sin in our life is a matter of accepting the only righteousness available to us: RIGHTEOUSNESS BY FAITH- both justification, and sanctification

Jesus came to earth and lived a sin free life. God credits us with that sin free life: Justification. But God does also grants us His Spirit( Christ in us) to enable us to meed the righteous requirement of the law in our mortal bodies.

Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. ( Justification)
---francis on 7/21/13


"For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me, but how to perform that which is good I find not. For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man."
Romans 7:18-22

Can the flesh really stop sinning? If you can, you shouldn't die in the flesh, right?

"The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law."
---christan on 7/22/13


H. Francis, by the passages you gave are you telling us you are sinless? Without sin? A simple yes or no will do.
---Mark_V. on 7/22/13


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1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

So those who are of God do not commit themselves to living in sin. They are obedient to the law of God, which tells us what sin is, and how to live a righteous life
In the unlikely event that they should fail to keep one of the laws of God, they repent, seek and accept God's forgiveness for that sin, and continue obeying the law of God as if that sin had never occurred.
---francis on 7/21/13


1 John 3:4 sin is the transgression of the law.
Romans 3:20 by the law is the knowledge of sin

First you have to KNOW what the law says, to know what sin is.

James 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

Second: You have to look at the law and do what the law says

Ephesians 3:16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man, That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith,

THIRD: The spirit of God in you, strengths you to keep all the laws of God
---francis on 7/21/13


He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
John 14:21

Personal experience tells me that you simply chose to follow Jesus and don't keep on doing the same sins you used to do when you are born again. The problem is that so many people calling themselves Christians do not want to give up their sins. Are you a Christian if you chose to keep sinning? This verse says NO.
---KarenD on 7/21/13


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