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Is faith to belief in Jesus Christ come from God or can sinful man create that faith to believe in Christ from within him?

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"Only last week you [Mark_V] said I was bipolar, concerning which I received no apology...JWs - ...and you...throw in a few ad hominems along the way". Marc

Let's see. Marc has either directly or though inference called me:

A liar, desperate, deliberately dishonest, deceptive, a black-mailer, a paid WT plant, illiterate, a cheat, a slave, a name-dropper, misapprehending the truth, false, a plagiarist, nonsensical, cultic, errant, illogical, unoriginal, heretical, not serious, without academic training, without understanding, authority loving, quote-miner, disingenuous, fallacious and insane.

Whew. Hello pot. Meet kettle.
---scott on 8/4/13


according to the Word of God,

it is His word He confirms,

confirming in Spirit comes after the Word of God --only.

Jn 1:1

In the beginning was the word

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God

There is no changing that - although the adversary may try.
---char on 8/4/13


---Mark_V. on 8/4/13
Wrong every human has a measure fo faith. The reason why people worship god(s) is because they believe in a high power

Psalms 97:6 The heavens declare his righteousness, and all the people see his glory.
Confounded be all they that serve graven images, that boast themselves of idols: worship him, all ye gods.

Psalms 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God, and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
Psalms 19:2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
Psalms 19:3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
Psalms 19:4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world.
---francis on 8/4/13


Mark, the only thing clear here is that you've forgotten how to determine the subject of a clause or sentence.

by grace and through faith are both prepositional phrases

That eliminates grace and faith as the subject of the clause.
So how did we determine the REAL subject back in elementary school? Eliminate the prepositional phrases. Remember?

For are ye saved, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God.

Salvation is the gift of God.

I hope you finally see this.
---LindaH on 8/4/13


Kathr, I do not support anyone other then the Word of God. And Eph. 2:8,9) is a very clear passage. It doesn't need any kind of spiritual interpretation.
"For by grace you were saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast"
It's pretty clear cut. We are saved by Grace, through faith, not by faith, and that faith is a gift of God, so that no free willer can boast how great he was in accepting Christ while lost, dead in trespasses and sins, and a child of wrath. The passage is a reminder that the glory for our salvation belongs to God not us.
---Mark_V. on 8/4/13




francis, God gave the believers a measure of faith. Not all human beings. Read the context. Paul was talking to the brethren in (verse 1) who were saved already. Each one received a measure of faith. This is not a laughing matter. you want to make a joke about the Word, go ahead, you are without sin and pure, your sin must not be call sin, maybe when you sin it is a blessing.
---Mark_V. on 8/4/13


MarkV, again quoting scripture out of context, believes Ephesians 2:8,9 supports his Calvinist heresy.

However, Paul clearly says that it is God's salvation plan that is his work, not our belief in it. As Paul elsewhere argues, "Faith, you see, can only come from hearing the message." (Romans 10:17) And, "[Y]ou only maintain your [salvation] because you do believe." (Romans 11:20)
---Marc on 8/3/13


rancis, you say,
"Romans 12:3 God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith."
That is true, .. You are boasting francis.
---Mark_V. on 8/3/13
To that I just laugh, mostly smirk, no no it's a grin,it looks like a smile, but wait yep a grin.

You call it boasting because I quoted the scripture which say that God gave every man a measure of faith? GRIN

Then you turn around and quote a scripture: SMIRK

Someone, anyone, everyone, is there a function between smirk and grin, which is not smile

I had nothing to do with God giving man faith, what then is my boast about?
---francis on 8/3/13


francis, you say,
"Romans 12:3 God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith."
That is true, a measure of faith to all those brethren paul was speaking to in (v.1). You have to do better then that. Let me help you.
Jesus Christ is the Author and finisher of our faith" (Heb. 12:3) the faith of believers.
"For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is a gift of God not of works lest anyone should boast" (Eph. 2:8,9) You are boasting francis. Read also (Phil. 1:29).
---Mark_V. on 8/3/13


Is faith to belief in Jesus Christ come from God or can sinful man create that faith to believe in Christ from within him?
---Mark_V. on 7/22/13
Romans 12:3 God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

So the answer is: NO !!
Sinful man cannot create that faith to believe in Christ from within him

Faith to believe comes from God.

It comes to us even before we believe in Jesus or God
---francis on 8/3/13




Is faith to belief in Jesus Christ come from God or can sinful man create that faith to believe in Christ from within him?
---Mark_V. on 7/22/13

Romans 12:3 God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

It is up to each and every man to use that measure of faith to accept the gospel once preached to him

1 Timothy 1:19 some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:

Acts 26:28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian. And Paul said, I would to God, that not only thou, but also all that hear me this day, were both almost, and altogether such as I am, except these bonds.
---francis on 8/3/13


Linda, you did not break anything to me that I don't already know. Who gave the Truth of the parables to the disciples only? Jesus Christ who is God. yet He didn't give the truth to the others. To keep them in darkness.
"He answered and said to them, 'Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the Kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given, For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance. But whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand" (Matt. 13:11-13).
---Mark_V. on 8/3/13


Mark/RICHARD, I hate to break it to you, but not even the disciples understood what the parables meant until Jesus explained the meaning to them in verse 13!

So, sir, those who are "without" are those who don't follow Christ. If you dont follow him, the meaning of the parable will not be given to you and you will be clueless as to their meaning.

The only blinding that scripture speaks of is in Romans where blindness has come to some of the descendants of Israel. What Romans or any other book does NOT say is that ANY gentile is blinded to the gospel. Find it! I challenge you!
---LindaH on 8/2/13


Linda, if you can hear, here is the word of the Lord,
"And He said to them, "to you it have been given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God, but to those who are outside, all things come in parables, so that Seeing they may see and not perceive, and hearing they may hear and not understand, lest they should turn and their sins be forgiven them" (Mark 4:11). Again,
"you have seen all that the Lord did before your eyes in the land of Egypt, to Pharaoh and to all his servants and to all his land, the great trails which your eyes have seen, the signs and those great wonders. Yet the Lord has not given you a heart to perceive and eyes to see and ears to hear, to this very day" (Deut. 29:2-4).
---Mark_V. on 8/2/13


"This is how I know now that I am one of the elect, because I have true faith in the perfect works of Christ on the cross and His resurrection"---Mark_V. on 8/1/13

Well hey! Congratulations! Me too!

However, I still don't believe God keeps men in unbelief, predestining them to hell.

Just like He says "I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked."

So either God lies or John Calvin lies. Hmmm who to pick...
---LindaH on 8/2/13


My bibe the KJV does not refer to thos ein christ as sinner. Sinners saved by grace is nowhere in my KJV of the bible

My God tells me that i am:
John 1:12 son of God,
Romans 8:17 heir of God, and joint-heir with Christ
Daniel 7:18 saint of the most High
1 John 3:7 righteous, even as he is righteous.

Like my father Abraham, I believe God
---francis on 8/1/13


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Linda, you do not have to wait forever, all you had to do was ask.
This is how I know now that I am one of the elect, because I have true faith in the perfect works of Christ on the cross and His resurrection. I have made my calling and election sure as (2 Peter 1:10) instructs us to do, that is why I do not stumble or doubt my salvation. I have a true love for Christ. Only those who are saved have a true love for Christ. Another way I know is because I seeked my assurance from the Word of God through which the Holy Spirit bears witness to my spirit that I am a child of God.
---Mark_V. on 8/1/13


francis, you have not answered my question at all. Are you without sin? Are you sinless? simple yes or no will do.
---Mark_V. on 7/31/13

Romans 4:7 Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

Romans 4:8 Blessed [is] the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
---francis on 8/1/13


francis, you have not answered my question at all. Are you without sin? Are you sinless? simple yes or no will do.
I will have to wait forever because you are never going to answer my question.
---Mark_V. on 7/31/13

MarkV, you have not answered my question. How do you know you are one of the elect? How do you know you don't believe in vain?
I will have to wait forever because you are never going to answer my question.
---LindaH on 8/1/13


The answer is NO! Only God can make a believer out of you. And have a great day+++
---catherine on 8/1/13


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francis, you have not answered my question at all. Are you without sin? Are you sinless? simple yes or no will do.
I will have to wait forever because you are never going to answer my question.
---Mark_V. on 7/31/13


Marc, I answered all your questions with scripture.
---Mark_V. on 7/31/13
But when I answer you with scripture you say i have not answered

now How would you call someone who does that?
---francis on 7/31/13


Marc, I answered all your questions with scripture. I have tried to stay within the discussion, but you will not with Scripture but complain. I will say again, you have given nothing to contribute concerning the Word of God, all you have done is complain and complain why you do not like what I say. Many don't like what I say, but at least they give Scripture to support their views. I support my views. You don't like the Truth. When those words you say to me stop coming out of your mouth, then maybe we can discuss Scripture.
---Mark_V. on 7/31/13


Spirit of the law" is the deeper intent or spiritual meaning behind the law

The commandment to keep the Sabbath says that we must work on the 6 working days, and rest on the Sabbath along with everyone in our household.

Sabath is not just a day off from work.

Here is the spirit of the Sabbath commandment:

Isaiah 66:23 from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me,

Isaiah 58:13 call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable, and shalt honour him,

Matthew 12:12 do well on the sabbath days.

Matthew 12:5 Do the work of priest or pastor, spiritual ministries on sabbath

So Mark_V is deveived, he does not keep the spirit of the law
---francis on 7/31/13


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Thr Father, The Son, and the Spirit are one. Which means that they do noy oppose each other. The law of God says keep the Ssbbath on the seventh day, which is Saturday. The spirit that says do not keep the Sabbath on the seventh day is an evil spirit because it is not one with the Father.

Second the spirit of the law is never in opposition to the written Law of God. It takes the written law to a deep level to where you do not physically commit adultery, you do not even think about it.

Next spirit of the law and sabbath
---francis on 7/31/13


Francis said: //we are also made righteous by: IMPARTATION of the DIVINE NATURE, CHRIST IN US//

francis, your false doctrine contradicts you because you yourself FAIL to perfectly obey the law.

Other SDA's like Jerry and Samualbb7 admit they FAIL to obey the law. They FAIL to do righteousness through the law.
But you always avoid any questions about your own FAILURE to obey the law.

You can't hide your head in the sand forever and deny the fact that your false doctrine contradicts your FAILURE to obey the law.
---Haz27 on 7/30/13


francis, you did not answer my question, so here is my answer for you again,

"from now on my answer to you will be, that the written law given to Israel is fulfilled in Christ for me. I now follow the Spirit of the Law. So go ahead and put down the written law, as you always do, it will remind you what you have to do."
---Mark_V. on 7/30/13


We are righteous through the imputation of Christ righteousness."
---Mark_V. on 7/30/13

Not only that but we are also made righteous by: IMPARTATION of the DIVINE NATURE, CHRIST IN US

Ephesians 3:16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man,
That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith


2 Peter 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness,.. by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature,

Romans 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
---francis on 7/30/13


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Francis said: //each and every Christian must have that said about him or her. Put your name and address in the blank spaces//

OK. Blank spaces filled in below.

There was a man in the land of Israel, who was referred to as the THIEF on the cross, and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.

How was that THIEF perfect?
Was it perfect obedience to the law?
No, as even legalists like francis and EG White FAILED to obey the law perfectly.

Or is it because the believers life is hid with Christ in God (Col 3:3)?
---Haz27 on 7/30/13


francis, you did not answer my question just like you could not answer Christan with his question to you. Now you give:
"1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous." We are righteous through the imputation of Christ righteousness." You then say:".. I answer you with scripture" You did not answer my question with Scripture that declares you are sinless now, because if you declare "that you are without sin, you are deceived, and the Truth is not in you" futhermore, you would be calling God a liar. That's why you won't answer the question.
---Mark_V. on 7/30/13


Job 1:1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job, and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.

each and every Christian must have that said about him or her. Put your name and address in the blank spaces

Job 1:1 There was a man in the land of ________, whose name was _________, and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.
---francis on 7/29/13


Francis, you quoted 1 John 3:7 "Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous."

But the fact is you FAIL to obey the law perfectly, just as Jerry FAILS. You both FAIL to do righteousness, in spite of your demands that we should obey the law perfectly or else we're lost.

Instead we see (as described in Rev 17:1,2) that you're drunk with the wine of fornication (with Hagar/righteousness by works of the law, Gal 4:24). You're a spiritual drunkard and fornicator, and by your works you deny God.

Repent and believe in Jesus.
---Haz27 on 7/29/13


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Are you perfect as Jesus is perfect? ---Mark_V. on 7/29/13

1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

Jesus answered satan with scripture, same way I answer you with scripture
---francis on 7/29/13


Mark V said "I will not call you any names".

But Mark, only last week you said I was bipolar, concerning which I received no apology.

Your attitude reminds me of the JWs - they, and you, never grapple with someone's argument but evade it, and throw in a few ad hominems along the way.

Your sanctimony reaches new levels everytime you dismiss my arguments.
---Marc on 7/29/13


francis, you did not answer the question. You gave another passage. Are you perfect as Jesus is perfect? If you answer yes, then the Truth is not in you. Here is John again,
"If we say we have not sin, we deceive ourselves and the Truth is not in us" (1 John 1:18) So the Truth is not in you francis. Furthermore,
" If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us" ( 1 John 1:10). You are not only deceived, but you do not have the Truth and also call God a liar. That is why you cannot answer the question put to you.
---Mark_V. on 7/29/13


Genesis 2:8 - And the Lord planted a garden eastward in Eden: and there he put man whom he had formed.
Genesis 2:9 - And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every Tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good food, the Tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the Tree of knowledge of Good and Evil.
---RICHARDC on 7/28/13


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Marc, I will not call you any names, but say that your knowledge of Hebrew and Greek, and your 35 years of being a Christian are a waste because your mouth is still speaking evil from the heart. All that study for nothing. No change in your heart at all.
When you begin to understand God, and when He discides to change your heart, then maybe we can have a discussion about God.
---Mark_V. on 7/28/13


MarkV,

What is the 'eternal covenant'?

Despite your quoting [out of context] "from the foundation of the world", you have still made God the author of sin. That is blasphemous. You are unsaved.

I have been a Christian for 35 years. I read Greek and Hebrew. I have relevant university degrees. Please don't lecture me by claiming I don't know the Bible. What I can see from your dismal attempt at exegesis is that you can't even understand that God is NOT the author of sin, as you maintain. To do is to draw upon pagan beliefs and early heresies.
---Marc on 7/27/13


Marc, you say,
"Furthermore, MarkV wrote, "Sin was in the plan of God." Scripture declares that man was made in God's image."
If you had read the Bible, believed in God you would know that we are told that Christ was,
"Foreknown indeed as a sacrifice for sin before the foundation of the world" ( 1 Peter 1:20).
The writer of Hebrews refers to "the blood of an eternal covenant" (Heb. 13:20). And since the plan of redemption is thus traced back into eternity, the plan to permit man to fall into the sin from which he was thus to be redeemed must also extend back to eternity. Otherwise there would have been no occasion for redemption.
A study of God brings out the Truth.
---Mark_V. on 7/27/13


---shira4368 on 7/26/13
WHY?

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away, behold, all things are become new.

Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are...

Philippians 3:12 Not as though I had already attained, ...I am apprehended of Christ Jesus....forgetting those things which are behind,...I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
---francis on 7/26/13


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Mark V wrote: "Sin was going to enter the world, the reason the tree of good and evil was planted by God." That is, according to Mark, God wanted Adam and Eve to eat. Alternatively, Scripture says God told them not to eat from the tree. Whom to believe?

Furthermore, MarkV wrote, "Sin was in the plan of God." Scripture declares that man was made in God's image. Mark has that image of God containing sin. If God had made Adam to sin, man's image contains sin and thus sin is found in God. What? Monism or even Manichaeism, both pagan attacks on God and early heresies in which God becomes the author of evil.
---Marc on 7/26/13


francis, God did grant me His righteousness but here we go back to the old flesh. when God sees me, He sees His Blood. my sins are covered. my flesh can sin. your knowledge should tell you we war against principalities and evil every single day. we must run the race, finish the fight and that is what I try to do. now, what did you expect me to say?
---shira4368 on 7/26/13


---shira4368 on 7/26/13

QUESTIONS
If God grants to you the righteousness of jesus what does that make you, righteous or unrrighteous?

If you are a partaker of the Divine Nature, what nature can you exibute?

If Christ is in you, what should people see on the outside of you?
---francis on 7/26/13


Are you able to be perfect like Jesus? I mean the real Jesus who is God?
---Mark_V. on 7/26/13
I would rather answer that with a scripture, that way I am able to answer both you and shira4368 with one verse

1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

That not only answers for me, but for every single believer
---francis on 7/26/13


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francis, I honestly don't know how to take you. you perceive yourself to be perfect. not one single person is perfect. we are as filthy rags and if you have trouble believing that look at your shirt collar at the end of the day. smell yourself after a day at work. I never accused you of coveting I was simply making a point. like I said, you do sin but the difference in me and you is I know I sin and you don't think you sin.
---shira4368 on 7/26/13


---shira4368 on 7/25/13
I grew up as a youth in the RCC, the priest were a great example to me. I wanted to be Father Francis when I grew up.
Maybe even Pope Francis some day. ( i see someone has beaten me to it)

The priest I grew up with had no material wealth, my Parish priest Father Reginald Lefleur, drove an orange 1973 VW beetle 1300, It was not his own, he had to share it with other priest and nuns.

In my eyes, these men were the Levites, having only God as their portion.

That is all I have every wanted my entire life. never wanted other peoples' things, just wanted God as my portion and to serve him


---francis on 7/26/13


Francis, you did not answer the simple question I put to you. Are you sinless? Are you without sin? Are you able to be perfect like Jesus? I mean the real Jesus who is God?

SIMPLE YES OR NO?
---Mark_V. on 7/26/13


francis, I have not had a chance to talk with my pastor. I know what his beliefs are. I know the doctrine of my church and its all biblical. you put too much emphasis on works, law, Sabbath. I already told you I worship 7 days a week and on sunday, my day is spent in church and rest. the scripture you quote always have context and is intertwined in the whole bible. no one can take scripture and believe just certain parts. that is why we are told to rightly divide the Word of God. please hear me when I say you as a person will never change my beliefs. I am grounded in my faith and have been for many years.
---shira4368 on 7/26/13


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Here is the issue:
Not keeping the sabbath is nothing new.

Ezekiel 22:26 Her priests have violated my law, and have ... hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them...to get dishonest gain... seeing vanity, and divining lies unto them, saying, Thus saith the Lord GOD, when the LORD hath not spoken.

Mark 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men,

The Sunday thing is not a commandment of God, it is a tradition of men, it is ( to those who know the ten commandments) vain worship, because it is not done in faith
---francis on 7/25/13


I know you do not ketep the Sabbath as God commanded, I think that you and I agreed that you would have a private talk with your pastor, You were going to ask him which day is the sabbath according to the bible.
But let me ssk: does it matter to you what day God says is thr Sabbath?
---francis on 7/25/13


francis, I live by faith and I have never killed anyone. I hate to even kill insects. I have never committed adultery because my standards are high. I always honored my dad and mom. they raised me the right way. I don't worship idols but I can say at one time my idol was the tv. I am a born again believer and my trust is in a Holy God. I can't say I have never coveted and I doubt if you have either. I still was saved by grace and not of myself it was a gift of God. I go to church sunday and that is my Sabbath. no one is going to hell for worship on sunday. God wants His children to worship everyday. I know you are a good man and I am happy for you, but I still live by faith.
---shira4368 on 7/25/13


shira4368 Who would you say has received the God's grace and is living by faith:

1: One who has no other gods before Jehovah, or one who has more than one god?

2: One who makes graven image to worship, or one who does not?

3: One who does not take the name of the God in vain, or one who does?

4: One who keeps the sabbath day,or one who does not?

5: One who honours his father and mother, or one who does not?

6: One who murders, or one who does not?

7: One who does not commit adultery, or one who does?

8: One who does not steal, or one who does steal?

9: One who does not bear false witness, or a liar?

10: One who does not covet, or one who does?

Honest answer please?
---francis on 7/25/13


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shira4368 on 7/25/13
1: the ONLY righteousness available to human beings is righteousness by FAITH, there is no righteousness by law or works, ALL BY FAITH. either by justification ( believe that God is, can, does, and will do for our salvation, God thus imputing to us his righteous) Or Sanctification (Christ in our hearts by faith, working in us to strengthening the inner man, causing us to obey his laws, God thus imparting to us his righteousness)

2: Every single human being Jew or non-Jew, Hebrew or shebrew is saved by ONE MEANS: GRACE. Not a single soul is saved by any other means
---francis on 7/9/13

Then James adds:
James 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
---francis on 7/25/13


francis, you didn't say "I got saved by the law". what you keep saying is the law, the law, the law and not a word about grace, faith or born again. you whole basis of faith is works...keeping the 10 commandments. it isn't hard to not kill, its not hard not to commit adultery, its not hard to not worship false idols but it is hard for me not to covet. sometimes I want what someone else has. see, I don't keep them and you don't keep them because we are still in the flesh. do you not ever have a spiritual battle against your flesh? well, I'm sorry to say I do.
---shira4368 on 7/25/13


Why are you suprised that people are submissive to Jehovah? No. We are to live by EVERY WORD out of themouth of God

Does God make a way out of every tempation?

Yes he does,

Does Christ in us not strengthen our inner man?
yes he does, he strengthens our will to do according to His will, even our will not to sin against Him

Does God not write His law in our heart?
So that we can walk in righteousness, uprightness before Him


Can we do all things through Christ who strengthens us?
YES WE CAN!!

The spirit in us, Christ strenghtening us, the law in our hearts, what do you think those are for if not to keep us from sin? keep us from falling, keep us from the snare of the evil one
---francis on 7/25/13


---Mark_V. on 7/25/13
Why don't try to answer the question I posed to shira, and see what you come up with?

Why are you suprised that people are submissive to Jehovah?
Does God make a way out of every tempation?
Does Christ in us not strengthen our inner man?
Does God not write His law in our heart?
Can we do all things through Christ who strengthens us?
The spirit in us, Christ strenghtening us, the law in our hearts, what do you think those are for if not to keep us from sin?
---francis on 7/25/13


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H. francis, with your answer to Shira, you are really saying is that you have no sin, you are able to keep the whole law, that it is possible because you do. So again, are you sinless now? Yes or no will do. We do not need more laws for an answer, only a yes or no.
I don't know if you are saved or not, what I do know is what you say, you belief Jesus is an archangel, so you have the wrong Jesus. You promote the law when you promote Saturday Sabbath, You never promote or speak about our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Every answer you give is from the Mosaic law given to Israel, never the New Covenant. So are you sinless now?
---Mark_V. on 7/25/13


Shera tell the truth: have i ever said that anyone is saved by keeping the law?

No Shira i do not covet other peoples things.
No Shira i have never skipped church to do my own pleasure.

Why are you suprised that people are submissive to Jehovah?
Does God make a way out of every tempation?
Does Christ in us not strengthen our inner man?
Does God not write His law in our heart?
Can we do all things through Christ who strengthens us?
The spirit in us, Christ strenghtening us, the law in our hearts, what do you think those are for if not to keep us from sin?
---francis on 7/24/13


francis, markv didn't say he didn't believe the law. he said he wasn't saved by the law and neither was I. Jesus said my yoke is easy and my burden light. anyone who thinks he can always keep the law is fooling themselves. you are not super man. tell me the truth..have you ever coveted anyone's things? be truthful please. have you ever skipped church to go to a race or baseball game. that is called idol worhip. I know men who skip church to watch a braves game or nascar. that is their idol. have you ever told a lie? about someone? I did and I had to go to that person and say I'm sorry. that was years ago but it sticks with me. examine your life and heart.
---shira4368 on 7/24/13


how do you know markv doesn't keep the commandments? do you know him personally?
---shira4368 on 7/24/13
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But ask him if he keeps all ten commandments as commanded by God
---francis on 7/24/13


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francis, how do you know markv doesn't keep the commandments? do you know him personally?
---shira4368 on 7/24/13


We don't promote the curse, because we are now under Grace.
---Mark_V. on 7/24/
People wonder why i call mark_V and idiot

well here is why
Mark_V says that I am CURSED if I:

1: have no other gods before Jehovah.
2: Do not make any graven image, to worship
3: Do not take the name of the LORD God in vain,
4: Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
5: Honour my father and thy mother:
6: Do not kill.
7: Do not commit adultery.
8: Do not steal.
9: Do not bear false witness
10: Do not covet

Do not eat anything God says not to eat.
Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
---francis on 7/24/13


Please show me someone. I will be waiting for anyone who can show that in the passages francis gave, faith or free will is mentioned. What he does not understand is that salvation is all the work of God through the perfect works of Christ.
Same talk everyday, he wants works of man to have something to do with man's salvation, this way his own works, keeping the Saturday Sabbath, can save him, and not others because they don't keep Saturday Sabbath. Only those under the law, which means, under the curse of the law, promote the curse. We don't promote the curse, because we are now under Grace.
---Mark_V. on 7/24/13


ok, markv, you were not saved by faith? how were you saved? that is one of the differences in you and me. I was saved by grace thru faith and at the time I was saved, I could have rejected my Savior but I chose to accept Him. best day ever in my life.
---shira4368 on 7/24/13


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Do explain, where you find free will or faith in what francis posted:
".. how the unbelievers hear the gospel and respond in faith" faith comes from hearing, "and hearing by the Word of God" Hearing the gospel comes by God's grace.
Then say,
".. how we were all being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses, Colossians 2:13" All by God's Grace.
Then say:
"..God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:8" while you were yet a sinner, Jesus died for you, not because of your free will or faith.
---Mark_V. on 7/24/13


---Nana on 7/23/13
I am feeling our post nana
good post
---francis on 7/23/13


1 Timothy 1:18_20 "This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare, Holding faith, and a good conscience, which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck: Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme."

Paul tells Timothy, 'hold faith and a good conscience'. Of others he said, that they 'shipwrecked' their faith by putting away their conscience.
Jesus was certain that the miracles he openly showed should have brought on repentance leading to salvation of the multidudes:

"Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida!"
---Nana on 7/23/13


If unbelievers had faith, they would be save.
---Mark_V. on 7/23/13
someone correct this
explain to him how the unbelievers hear the gospel and respond in faith

explain to him how we were all being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses, Colossians 2:13

explain to mark_V that God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:8

we all have been given a measure of faith, that is why we respond Jesus and the gospel, and others place that same faith in something else

---francis on 7/23/13


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Another misinterpretation by francis,

"Romans 12:3 God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith."
Indicating everyone has faith, which is false. That is not what the passage is teaching. Paul is not saying God has given every single person a measure of faith. Far from that. Paul was speaking to the believers "the brethren" in (v. 1) and the grace given to everyone he was speaking to (v. 3) God gave to each of of them a measure of faith.
If unbelievers had faith, they would be save. But they are unbelievers because they do not have faith. More false teachings.
---Mark_V. on 7/23/13


Romans 12:3 God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Every human being, sinner and saint are given a measure of faith. It is then up to each person to exercise that gift of faith. When we hear the gospel, we already have the faith to believe
---francis on 7/23/13


---Mark_V. on 7/22/13
Through Love God gives us the faith to love him back.

What about Luke 14. The King (God) invites many people (us)but they decide to go do other things and makes excuses not to come to the banquet (salvation). Or Judas, He was choosen by God into the ministry but then turned to follow his own ways.
---Scott1 on 7/23/13


Mar 10:21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

I guess this young man is saved for JESUS loved him. So he had to be saved. But the Bible says JESUS loved all for JESUS is love. But you say GOD hates people cause he made them for himself to hate. But I do not read those words in the bible.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/22/13


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Scott 1, What does the Bible say in (1 John 4:19)?
"We love Him because He first loved us"
There is no choice involve in that passage. When He loved us we begin to love Him. We didn't decide, "should we love him or not." And only those who truely love Him are saved.
But my question had to do with faith. If faith comes from God, and we know it does, how can you decide if you want it or not? How is that possible? He gives you something, so what do you do with it? Do you say, here is back your faith, I do not want it, I want to stay dead in sin?
---Mark_V. on 7/22/13


Hello,We come by faith,Not even the ex- aethiest came until God open his eyes!He had 3surgery/ b.cancer,heart, then he was losing His sight-He asked me to pray! He was even healed of breastCancer not thankfull,God restored his complete vision- change! Ps.103:17a18b,Ja.4:8.Pr.2:4b.5.Pr.8:17,Heb.11:6,
---lidia4796 on 7/22/13


from Lidia4796, pt.2-God is a rewarder of those who seek him, faith is the key that unlocks the door...we cannot do nothing of ourselves.In the OT they kill goats,etc. But since Jesus became the sacrifice for all sinners at Calvary.It's not by nothing we could do nor imagine, it's by His mercy.Faithcome by hearing,believe the word of God.My vs.parable of The Doeer, the word fell & at last good soil, the sower take it and understood it.
---lidia4796 on 7/22/13


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