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MarkV --- "you have not answered the passages I have given you, and never provided the 15 passages where you say free will was given to man"


Ill do it for him. Although you will ignore it ...again!

A man's heart deviseth his way: but the LORD directeth his steps (Proverbs 16:9)

adam - man
leb - will, heart, inner man
chashab - to plan
derek - course,road
yahweh - the LORD
kuwn - to direct, prepare, set
tsaad - steps, pace

Now stop being a fool and read what it says!

A man's will plans his course, but the LORD sets his pace.

Free to choose. Thats why there are consequences for choosing poorly.
---LindaH on 8/16/13


Well Trav!!!!
For the very, very, very first time Im going to SHOUT OUT A HIGH FIVE to you on this one not for the acknowledgement of self but for a clear understanding of the context from which I write.
---Carla on 8/14/13

Ha....just seeing the same multiple witnesses. The scripture I post makes most preachers and many indoc'd christians furious. Always a good indicator when scripture makes holy indoc'd mad....that deeper digging will yield treasure unspeakable/unmeasurable.

An interesting mark to seek is written n Heb 8:10/Jer 31:33.
Peak of the most avoided scriptures.

Outlaw before conversion....and outlawed by churches today for the scripture I read/believe.
GOD Bless Carla's search.
---Trav on 8/16/13


Kathr, you now say,
"MarkV, no one that believes in free will believes we save ourselves or change our own heart." Yes you do, in order to come and seek God, you would have to change your own corrupt heart. For no one lost seek after God (Rom. 3:11) The flesh profits nothing. then say,
" People come to Christ is so that GOD CAN CHANGE THEM." People that come to Christ come because God made them willing when He made them spiritually alive. Then say
" if Man could change himself, he wouldn't need God to begin with." That is a fact.
Man cannot change himself, he needs God to change his corrupt heart and give him faith so that he can even see the Kingdom of God and believe it.
---Mark_V. on 8/16/13


Mark let's see who lies. You said, ""2. It's impossible for Him to lie." That's correct, but not impossible for you, because you do everyday. You claim you can change your own heart..."
Show us the post where I made that claim. I dare you.
I'll make a deal with you. You show me where I said that and I'll never post on CN again. If you can't show us then you never post again. Ya got any guts to back up your words or ya need another drink?
Francis already gave you most of the verses and you rejected them, so why have two people casting pearls to swine? Why don't you read one of your little cultic books and see if they are there?
---Elder on 8/16/13


kathr 2, you hate for God to make the choice of salvation for you. You want independance from God, because that is the definition of free will, to make a choice without Divine intervention. Do you even know who wants independance from God? Those who are enmity against God. Each day its,"no, God does not have that right, I have it" The thing is that you guys do not debate and answer the passages given to you, you guys get furious, anger eats at your hearts, how dare I say God has that right. So you throw insults, slander my name, my family, all because you don't want God to make that determination for you, you care more for your rights that you will fight together with devil if possible no matter what.
---Mark_V. on 8/16/13




MarkV, no one that believes in free will believes we save ourselves or change our own heart. People come to Christ is so that GOD CAN CHANGE THEM. if Man could change himself, he wouldn't need God to begin with.

Free will means that ANYONE can come boldly to the throne of GRACE in this age of GRACE, to OBTAIN from God what God and God alone has to offer as a FREE GIFT and THAT IS THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF HIS SON JESUS CHRIST.

Receive MY SON and you receive ME. Reject my Son and you have rejected me.

The very Jews that rejected Jesus before the Cross were told by Peter, the one you Crucified is both Lord and Savior. They then asked, WHAT SHALL WE DO TO BE SAVED? AnS: Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shall be SAVED!
---kathr4453 on 8/16/13


Luke 8:12
Those by the way side are they that hear, then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved..

Now here is a verse that refute everything MarkV and Christan believe. It PROVES NO one is born again first TO believe. It shows that people like MarkV work exclusively for the devil, who don't want the Word OF GOD to go out or be planted in anyone's UNREGENERATE HEART for fear they may believe it and be saved.

We are BORN AGAIN by the WORD of God so scripture tells us. The WORD, the SPIRIT and the BLOOD all testify to Jesus.
---kathr4453 on 8/16/13


Elder, to this day, you have not answered the passages I have given you, and never provided the 15 passages where you say free will was given to man, so you keep complaining and whining each day because you cannot answer Scripture so the only thing you can do is complain. You say,
"2. It's impossible for Him to lie." That's correct, but not impossible for you, because you do everyday. You claim you can change your own heart, the New Covenant says, God changes your heart. It says salvation is of the Lord. You say only if sinful man gives Him permission. Jesus says, salvation with man is impossible, you say it is possible with all sinful man. You are right, God cannot lie, but you sure do. Your preaching antichrist teachings.
---Mark_V. on 8/16/13


.... but Mark purposely has to leave out certain things to try to make his point. ------

To Elder from Mark,
"The Spirit of God is not talking to you. It's the Spirit of the antichrist."
Mark_V.

---Elder on 8/16/13

Yes this GAME has been going on for years. The more you stand up to Markv the more his hateful reply's back escalate.

And comments like that last one to you, have been hurled at me for years. I've taken the beatings, but continued confronting, and can see that many who did not actually understand markv's false doctrine, are seeing it now and grasping exactly what he teaches. I'm still standing,and will continue to preach the Cross/Christ Crucified they call foolishness.
---kathr4453 on 8/16/13


Kathr, you and Elder can talk bad about me all you want. I don't mind at all. This is not new to me. Why would you want God to save you when you have your own free will to reject or accept him? You are the boss. Not God. So keep the insults coming. Free will is making a choice without Divine intervention, so you make a lot of free will choices, and now you found a partner to hold hands with, who believes just like you. It must be nice for both of you to be indepented from God.
---Mark_V. on 8/16/13




Totally correct Nana and it is not a forced Gospel.
---Elder on 8/16/13


2: "the ability to choose between alternatives so that the choice and action are determined by the conscious subject."
--Elder on 8/14/13

Alternatives:
John 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
In the tradition of at least two witnesess, Jesus posed his own witness side by side his works.

I myself need two witnesses:

John 10:37 "If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him."

The concordance of those verses speaks the same Gospel to all men without ecxeption.
---Nana on 8/15/13


AMEN Elder, but I do believe it went right over MarkV's head. kathr4453
Probably so Kathr, but Mark purposely has to leave out certain things to try to make his point. He does it all the time. Those who know him better catch him at his game.
Now he will whine and cry again because we spoke of him publicly. That is to take the attention off of his misquotes and half information posts.

To Elder from Mark,
"The Spirit of God is not talking to you. It's the Spirit of the antichrist."
Mark_V.
Yea, Mark I noticed that also, every time you post something to me....
---Elder on 8/16/13


2: "the ability to choose between alternatives so that the choice and action are determined by the conscious subject."
You must have left that out to deceive us.

---Elder on 8/14/13


AMEN Elder, but I do believe it went right over MarkV's head.
---kathr4453 on 8/15/13


Carla:// ..you may find Christ did come for a specific people and mixed it up with the Gentiles calling?..// Do not talk negligently about God/Jesus, HE is Perfect. Are you a Christian? Didn't your Bible in the OT tell you that Christ shall be a light to the Gentiles? God's covenant with Abraham, is it a blessing to the whole world or a people-group?
---Adetunji on 8/15/13


Mark is the one that goes to the secular to try to explain the spiritual. Then he butchers that.
A part truth is a total lie. He only gives part truth.
He calls people names then whines about their comments.
He left out part of Webster because it didn't support his twisted view.
Webster is saying that a person is not forced to make a choice. A person who is forced has no personality and is just a pawn in the hands of a dictator. You become a lump of substance with no purpose but to satisfy the next controller that comes along.
God, in His creative ability, makes each person different to be able to worship Him freely without force.
That is why Jesus is a Personal Savior and not an action performance dictator.
---Elder on 8/15/13


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Kathr, definition of 'free will' is,
"freedom of humans to make a choice that are not determined by prior causes or by Divine intervention"
When the lost make a choice, it is always caused by some kind of desire or motive. Free will is to make a choice that is not determined by any prior causes. Everyone in this world makes choices by some desire or motive, no one has free will. Salvation is by God's intervention. If you a person teaches salvation by free will he is teaching autonomy from God, a law unto themselves. God is the only One who is Autonomous.
If you made a choice for no reason or cause, then you would have free will. God would not be able to judge you right or wrong. He judges us by our motives and desires.
---Mark_V. on 8/15/13


Elder 2: The one deceiving people is you. You pretend to be a godly man, but you finally found one who opposes your views, and all you can do is slander the messenger. And like most free willers, use satan to defend your false teachings. You keep saying sinful man can, and God says, you can do nothing without Me. Jesus says, no one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him," you again oppose the words of Jesus. He says, with man salvation is impossible, you say Jesus is lying again. The Spirit of God is not talking to you. It's the Spirit of the antichrist. The antichrist spirit speaks opposite of what Jesus says. That is what you do. Before you try to pick the speck from my eye, remove the logs in your eyes.
---Mark_V. on 8/15/13


Mark the Holy Spirit didn't tell me you were promoting God's will for two reasons.
1. You don't
2. It's impossible for Him to lie.
You said, "Rejecting God's will does not indicate you have free will. You made a choice."
Look at your definition.
"freedom of humans to make a choice that are not determined by prior causes or by Divine intervention"
Did you notice, "Not determined by prior causes or Divine intervention? God would have to intervene for man to NOT have a freewill.
What happened to remainder of the definition?
2: "the ability to choose between alternatives so that the choice and action are determined by the conscious subject."
You must have left that out to deceive us.
---Elder on 8/14/13


Elder 2: If the Spirit of the Lord had told you something about me, it would have been that I was promoting God's will for man,

---Mark_V. on 8/14/13

Really? So Paul spent his entire Christian life PROMOTING God's will for man...

So exactly what is God's WILL you are promoting?
---kathr4453 on 8/14/13


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Elder, you set a trap? You have to set traps? All you need to do is give the 15 passages where God gave man a free will, instead of an answer you slander me again. You say as your trap,
"Mark, you are so lame and confused you can't even carry on a good debate.
You claim there is no freewill then you post
"The fools who reject God's will"
How can they reject without a freewill to do so?"

Rejecting God's will does not indicate you have free will. It indicates you rejected God's will. You made a choice. Making a choice is not having free will. All fallen man reject God's will. Look for the definition of free will. Then you can insult me as you do each day.
---Mark_V. on 8/14/13


Well Trav!!!!

For the very, very, very first time Im going to SHOUT OUT A HIGH FIVE to you on this one not for the acknowledgement of self but for a clear understanding of the context from which I write.

I know my God and I know he knows me that's why my soul as was Paul is so afflicted but I serve a RISEN KING and don't I know it lol!
---Carla on 8/14/13


Elder 2: If the Spirit of the Lord had told you something about me, it would have been that I was promoting God's will for man, but you got the wrong signals from the wrong spirit. you see what you promote is independance from God. The opposite of our Christian faith, dependance on God. You teach that sinful man has freedom from God to choose what he wants.
here is the definition of free will,
freedom of humans to make a choice that are not determined by prior causes or by Divine intervention"
Freedom from Divine intervention, that is what you teach. So it was not the spirit of God who spoke to you, it was another spirit.
---Mark_V. on 8/14/13


He showed favorism in the Old Testament
---Mark_V. on 8/13/13
GARBAGE

Isaiah 56:3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people:

Isaiah 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant,

Isaiah 56:7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices [shall be] accepted upon mine altar, for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.
---francis on 8/14/13


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Elder 3: I will never say to you that Satan has you in his pocket or that you are lame, misguides, don't know how to comprehend, and that you don't know what you are talking about. Because you do know what you are talking, it comes right out of your mouth. That's why God finds man guilty, they know what they say and you do too.
I do not have your salvation that comes from free will. You have freedom from God so you can say what you want.
I don't have that freedom from God as you do. I am a slave to Christ. So keep the insults coming.
---Mark_V. on 8/14/13


Mark the Spirit of the Lord let me know your purpose before you even posted.
I set a little trap for you and you fell right in.
I, in humility, tried to answer your questions. The Lord let me know in my spirit that all you wanted to do is condemn and try to corrupt the written Word as you have all along.
Your ungodly attitude has been shown again. There is no reason to try to "teach" the ones enjoying their cultic life style. You are one of the unteachable unreachables that refuses the facts.
You fell into my trap so easy. I can understand how Satan has you so confused in your darkened mind. He has known you longer than I have.
(You must be one of those chosen for Hell according to your own belief.)
---Elder on 8/13/13


Mark, you are so lame and confused you can't even carry on a good debate.
You claim there is no freewill then you post
"The fools who reject God's will"
How can they reject without a freewill to do so? Your own misconceptions tell on your confused misguided mind.
"The Lord looks down from heaven upon the children of men to see if there are any who understand, who seek God."
Are you trying to state that God has limited knowledge? Or, is this verse leading elsewhere?
Why did you leave out v 21-31?
Do you see the words "justified by faith?"
If even half of what you push were true no one could be saved.
But why would you listen to me you dont listen to what Gods Word says?
---Elder on 8/13/13


Jesus repplied to some very antagonistic Jews, "But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved." and "Search the scriptures, for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life."
---Nana on 8/13/13


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More on the condition of lost man.
"But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned" (1 Cor. 2:14)
The fools who reject God's will
"The fool has said in his heart, there is no God, they are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none who does good. The Lord looks down from heaven upon the children of men to see if there are any who understand, who seek God. They have all turned aside. They have altogether become corrupt, there is none who does good, no not one" (Psa. 14:1-3). The same is said in (Rom. 3:10-14).
---Mark_V. on 8/13/13


All that talk about free will, and nothing,
Before one can see the Kingdom, before one can have everlasting Life in any sense, one must be born from above.
"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise him up on the last day" (John 6:44)
Why? "Because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God, for it does not subject itself to the law of God, "for it is not able" to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God." (Rom. 8:7,8). If a lost person had the ability to receive Christ while lost, he would have one thing that would please God, your acceptance.
---Mark_V on 8/13/13


Elder, God showed no favorism in the New Testament between Jews and gentiles because the Gentiles were now included in the Covenant. He showed favorism in the Old Testament in that only Israel had the laws and the gospel. That's why the passages do not contridict. God only saves those He wishes to save. He is not obligated to save everyone. That He saves some is the miracle. You are so blind with your free will, that you will never accept the Truth.
"Because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God: for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God" A hostile mind is unable to subject itself to the law of God. And you want to teach me?
---Mark_V. on 8/13/13


"Peter came to understand that God did not show favoritism. God will save people from all nations, not just the Jews."
Mark_V.
Basically this is what I was saying. So, how can you say that God chooses/respects some for salvation and refuses others?
To pick just some and not others would certainly be favoritism.
If you want to discuss the freewill verses write me at elder2291. I will even pay for phone conversations if you want.
Or, if you want I will post them on the blogs with restrictions.
Man has a freewill in everything he does, physical and spiritual. You can choose to reply or not.
If you are willing and seeking I will help you in your quest.
If you want to fight let me know that too.
---Elder on 8/12/13


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"Elder, on two other blogs, you spoke about me to others, why are you not a honest righteous Christian and speak to me?"
Mark
Everything or anything I have said about you was done where you could read and comment about it. I hide nothing. I've have not said anything that wasn't correct.
Your conflict is that you have no defence.
I have never seen anyone butcher and misapply Scripture like you do/have either.
---Elder on 8/12/13


markv, bro elder does not go behind someone else's back and talk either. if he can't say it to your face, he won't say it. I would pray you would listen to him concerning biblical things.
---shira4368 on 8/12/13


Shira, I know you like Elder very much and know him and the family. I want to thank you for answering my comments and responding. I don't want to speak about him here. It is not right. Thank you for your answer. peace I leave you.
---Mark_V. on 8/12/13



Who are sheep and who are goats?
who are the lost sheep of Isreal .....?

me thinks you all need to go read the bible, you may find Christ did come for a specific people and mixed it up with the Gentiles calling? Two seperate callings? two seperate ranks!
---Carla on 8/11/13

Your's is the only post that seeks or advises seeking here.
Most will not seek or see if found. They are not intended to see as per the Lords own words.

Mar_4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
---Trav on 8/12/13


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If God is the potter and we are the clay who are the vessels of honour and who are the vessels of Dishonor? Who are beautiful vases and who are chamber pots? put politely. Who are sheep and who are goats? Who was Judas and who are called by his name and who are not called by his name? who are the lost sheep of Isreal and who are not the lost tribe of Isreal? me thinks you all need to go read the bible, you may find Christ did come for a specific people and mixed it up with the Gentiles calling? Two seperate callings? two seperate ranks!
---Carla on 8/11/13


markv, elder is not an elder as you may think, but his name is elder. He is a man of God called to preach the gospel. His mind is brilliant with the knowledge of the bible and Holy Spirit. I have watched him and his wife and how they serve. they are truly servants of God and have dedicated their life, money and health to their ministry.
---shira4368 on 8/11/13


Elder, it's good that you are getting it all out of your heart. At least you are telling me, you don't have to go behind my back and tell everyone how bad I am without addressing me. I suppose you are exercising your free will.
Then when it comes to Scripture you say,
". I can show over 15 passages that state freewill."
You don't have to show me 15 passages, just show me two, make it easier on you. I want to see that free will that I must have missed. I will be waiting, not for more complaining from you, but for the passages.
You are connected some how to CN. You must have the passages.
---Mark_V. on 8/12/13


Elder 2, you also say,
"The Bible states that God is no respecter of persons so how can you say He chooses some and rejects others as you mistakenly claim? What makes the difference?" You forgot to read the context of Acts:
When meeting with the gentile centurion Cornelius, the apostle Peter explained what God had revealed to him:
"of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons, but in every nation he that feareth Him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with Him" (Acts 10:34,35). Here many of Peters fellow Jews thought that God loved them more than the Gentiles, but Peter came to understand that God did not show favoritism. God will save people from all nations, not just the Jews.
---Mark_V. on 8/12/13


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Diane: The gates of Hell(as it looks to me) are the instruments of Satan (demons, human beings) that are used to derail other human beings from the way of God and righteousness.
---Adetunji on 8/12/13


Mark your respect is only for your misguided self, no one else. Your posts prove that. Anyone who disagrees with you is called a name by you.
People are known by those that flock around them. I am impressed that you don't respect me. That means I am not part of your cultic world.
Show us one passage that uses the word Sovereign or Bible. I can show over 15 passages that state freewill. Your misunderstanding of election, God hating people and how to become a Christian proves how biblically ignorant you really are. The Bible states that God is no respecter of persons so how can you say He chooses some and rejects others as you mistakenly claim? What makes the difference?
---Elder on 8/11/13


Really MarkV, the publican and taxpayer is a perfect example you are wrong.....which one WENT AWAY JUSTIFIED? Nothing about already being justified, or already being born again.....

If you really understood JUSTIFICATION you wouldn't be so lost.

Would you please STOP with your ignorance here MarkV, and stop embarrassing yourself all over these blogs with your ridiculous comments.
---kathr4453 on 8/11/13


Elder, you say,
"Mark, You claim God saves who He will and that man has no freewill of his own. Then why would humbling yourself do anything for you"
Elder, only Christians humble themselves before God. I thought you were a Christian. When a person humbles himself, it is because he is a child of God and holds on to nothing of himself. You won't find free will in the Bible because if you did, then all the passages that speak on the condition of the lost, would be false, all the words Jesus spoke concerning who could come to Christ would also be false.
I have presented the real God of Scripture, but everyday you fight so hard against the will of God. Your free will is more important. That concept is a lie against God.
---Mark_V. on 8/11/13


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Elder 2: I am not telling you not to speak to others. Never have, so please do not lie. I said you spoke to others about me, which is in itself wrong, instead of speaking directly to me. You are an Elder, a righteous man, so you know you should not be speaking bad about someone to others. That is spreading sin. Of course you can do that if that is what is in your heart. You have not stopped complaining since you begin. I am here, be a man and ask me. You do not have to hide like some others do. Your resistance against the will of God is getting worse. You accuse me of not dividing the Word of God, of not comprehending, of being prideful. I respected you, but that went out the window.
---Mark_V. on 8/11/13


Mark, You claim God saves who He will and that man has no freewill of his own. Then why would humbling yourself do anything for you. You are preaching FREEWILL!
You claim you humbled yourself. Why? That is FREEWILL!
You should begin to speak for God with truth and not foolishness. Dont be so self-conscious. Now you try to tell us who we can speak to on CN, and you have not answered any of my questions with Scripture. Why do you say you will? You really do have a complex don't you?
These last two post of yours do contain some truth. It is a shame that you don't understand it yet. But.... use your freewill and learn of God. It'll do you good.
---Elder on 8/10/13


Elder, you should stop speaking against God by giving the glory to man. The glory goes to God. Only those who humble themselves will be saved, it's about time to humble yourself. There was nothing good in you that deserve saving. Yet God had mercy on you a sinner. You did not have mercy on Christ. You had no hope and without God, but now you are saved because of the love God had for you. No other reason. You deserved hell just like I did. Give the glory and thanks to God, don't be like those mentioned in (Rom. 1:18-22)
"Because although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts and their foolish hearts were darkened"
---Mark_V. on 8/10/13


Elder, on two other blogs, you spoke about me to others, why are you not a honest righteous Christian and speak to me? I will not bit you. I will answer with Scripture. You said,
"Without Christ, of course, we were exactlly what Eph. 2:1-10 says.
I was lost but I didn't stay that way."
Of course not, God made you alive together with Christ. If He had not quickened you alive you would still be dead in trespasses and sins, walking according to the course of this world according to the prince of the power of the air the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience.
That's who you and I were. No free will of man mentioned anywhere. It is the Work of God.
---Mark_V. on 8/10/13


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there is no way that the gates of hell can survive the attack from God, Satan was totally defeated at the cross and then

in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
---francis on 8/5/13


No one who is in the flesh can please God, not one person.Not one person who is in the flesh (lost) understands the word of God. Not one person who is in the flesh (lost) seeks after God.
""Because the carnal mind is enmity against God, for it is not subject to the law of God., nor indeed can be. "So that those who are in the flesh cannot please God" (Rom. 8:7,8).
"As it is written,
There is none righteous, no, not one.
There is none who understands,
There is none who seeks after God"
(Rom. 10,11).
And when a person is saved, not even the gates of hell can prevail against him.
---Mark_V. on 8/5/13


Pharisee, if you are out there and can read this, I wanted to apologize for asking you if you got what you said from a commentary, I thought it was beautiful for it sounded like something the great writers of God write, like Charles Spurgeon, Arthur Pink, R.C. Sproul. If it came from you it was beautiful. Elder complained it was terrible for me to ask you that, and how terrible I am to others, and since he is such a righteous man, how could he be wrong, so I though this morning maybe he was right, so please forgive me if it offended you, it was super great what you wrote down, and that is the Truth. Peace
---Mark_V. on 8/4/13


Mark, I posted what I did because it is you who is whining all of the time about how people treat you. You seem to think that you can say anything to people and it's OK.
If everyone is saying this you might want to examine yourself.
You say I am getting like "all the rest." Is there some kind of rule that says you can't be questioned and no one can comment on your statements?
You, sir, have an interior problem that is affecting your exterior actions and making you look foolish. And, that aint coming from no commentary!!
---Elder on 8/3/13


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The lost believe they have free will, a license to do what they want, say what they want, and never have to answer for it because God is not a part of their lives.
Some Christains believe they also have free will, to do what they want and say what they want. No body can stop them. They believe that while they were lost they used that free will to accept Christ while others didn't. They were able to somehow please God while in the flesh. But the Word of God says,
"Because the carnal mind is enmity against God, for it is not subject to the law of God., nor indeed can be. "So that those who are in the flesh cannot please God" (Rom. 8:7,8).
---Mark_V. on 8/4/13


Elder, now you are sounding just like all the others, I thought you were different, just like I thought Warwick was different. I had heard so much about you.
What is disrespectful asking Pharisee if he got what he said from a commentary? It was beautiful and I was wondering if what he said did come from a commentary. I would like to know which one, because it was said beautiful and everything he said was right on the money.
I don't disrespect Pharisee or you. I just disagree, but you guys take it to another level. Great Christians all of you guys are, who hold on to free will.
---Mark_V. on 8/3/13


Cluny, it seems you cannot understand nor comprehend my statement. I'm establishing that everyone born into this world is a prisoner and slave to the devil and you keep denying it. I'll keep my question simple:

"Are all man (without exception) born into this world "dead in sins and trespass"?"

A simple yes or no will do. Be reminded, "But let your communication be, Yea, yea, Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil."
---christan on 8/3/13


Is the lost in hell eternal? YES! [Isa. 66:24, Matt. 25:46, Rev. 14:11, Mark 9:44, 46, 48. The assertion that God would be unfair to punish eternally a temporal sin underestimates the seriousness of sin, the spiritual nature of sin, and the supreme holiness of God...The valley of Hinnom: garbage dump of Jerusalem: into it were thrown all the filth and garbage, including dead bodies of animals and executed criminals. fires burned constantly. Maggots worked in the filth. wild dogs, too. Jesus used this awful scene as a symbol of hell...Degrees of judgment, [Matt. 10:15, Mark 6:11, Luke 10:12,14]..Including emotional and physical, spiritual suffering. "It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God" [Heb. 10:31].
---catherine on 8/3/13


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\\Here, I'll help you again. I said, "And aren't all mankind considered by God to be "prisoners and slaves of the devil"?
\\

Assuming you are a member of Homo sapiens, christan, you are therefore part of mankind, and by your own words are a prisoner and slave of the devil.

There's NOTHING in your original posting in which you except yourself.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/2/13


The short answer: All the power and force of the enemies of God.
---Pharisee on 7/30/13
Good post

Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life

Colossians 1:21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in [your] mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

and that is how we win this war
---francis on 8/2/13


"Pharisee, Very good answer. Did you get that from a commentary? Because it was good.
Mark_V.
Wow! What a disrespectful thing to ask.
Surprize... some people study and dig out what the Scripture says and means. Can't this guy have a thought of his own?
I've known Pharisee since he came on CN. This is his style of commenting and writing. He is one of the best on CN... maybe the best.
Where, Mark, do you come up with your statements, remarks and questions, the trash can?

---Elder on 8/2/13


"The short answer: All the power and force of the enemies of God." Pharisee

Sounds like you've been watching to much of Star Wars from the way you described your "gates of hell". Why not use what the Word has already provided for our understanding?

"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." Ephesians 6:12

You see, when the Gospel is preached, Christ declared, "the gates of hell shall not prevail against it", which was similar to Moses telling Pharaoh, "let my people go"! Did Pharaoh resist? Only for a while.
---christan on 8/2/13


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"If you're a prisoner and slave of the devil, as you are calling yourself here, why should I listen to YOU, christan?" Cluny

You should learn to read carefully of what I was writing. Here, I'll help you again. I said, "And aren't all mankind considered by God to be "prisoners and slaves of the devil"?

You give the impression that you're the exception to the rule before God saves the sinner (notice I wasn't referring to you) that you're not a "prisoner and slave to the devil" as written in Ephesians 2:1-7.

Ever considered how one becomes a "slave of Christ"? Or what was he before he became a "slave of Christ"?
---christan on 8/1/13


Pharisee, I believe you hit the nail on the head. You covered all phases of the gates of hell. Very good answer. Did you get that from a commentary? Because it was good.
---Mark_V. on 7/31/13


The gates of Hell.

Clearly it's a force in opposition to the rule of Heaven on earth. It's to include (but not be limited to) the agents of the enemies of God, the evil ways of the world, and anything that Christ would seek to emancipate in the work of his cross. i.e. the hearts and thoughts of men.

The short answer: All the power and force of the enemies of God.
---Pharisee on 7/30/13


Why be concerned with where they are or what they are. Rather, spend your time on finding the gates of Heaven!

Praise to Jesus Christ!
---Monk_Brendan on 7/29/13


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\\And aren't all mankind considered by God to be "prisoners and slaves of the devil"? \\

If you're a prisoner and slave of the devil, as you are calling yourself here, why should I listen to YOU, christan?

I'm Christ's slave, myself. Wouldn't you like a new master?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/29/13


The gates of hell is located in Caesara Phillipi just north of Israel. Where Peter declared Jesus to be the Christ, messiah. Specifically there is a natural water spring that fills this large deep pool and creates a natural whirlpool which sucks items down the shoot. Pagan legend says spirits from the underworld would travel between the earth and underworld through this whirlpool. Pagan people would throw valuable items including children into this whirlpool to appease the gods.
---Scott1 on 7/29/13


Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

This puts the church in an offensive posture. We are fighting, and winning against the forces of evil, we are on the offensive


2 Corinthians 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds,)

2 Corinthians 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ,

2 Corinthians 10:6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
---francis on 7/29/13


"The phrase "gates of hell" is used by Christ only ONE time, and never to refer to people." Cluny

What are "gates" used for? Isn't it either used for keeping people from coming out or going in? Well, it depends on the location isn't it? If you're in prison, it's to keep prisoners from coming out, right?

And aren't all mankind considered by God to be "prisoners and slaves of the devil"? Let Scripture help you, "Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience"

You like to try explaining?
---christan on 7/28/13


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What does the gates of hell consist of?
---Diane on 7/27/13
SIN
---francis on 7/28/13


\\The "gates of hell" is a metaphor used by Christ to declare to us all who's born into this world that we are slaves to "the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience". \\

Wrong.

The phrase "gates of hell" is used by Christ only ONE time, and never to refer to people.

Try again.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/28/13


"What does the gates of hell consist of?"
Diane the "gates of hell", metaphorically, is the entrance into any state of mental, emotional, and/or physical, trauma or torment.
---Josef on 7/28/13


The "gates of hell" is a metaphor used by Christ to declare to us all who's born into this world that we are slaves to "the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience". Hence Paul tells us we are all born "dead in trespasses and sins".

It's a picture of Israel being enslaved by the Egyptians (who were symbolic of satan and his cohorts) for four hundred and thirty years. They were all behind "gates of hell", so to speak until God delivered them from this evil bondage.

That's why when the Gospel of Christ is preach, we are told by our Savior "and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it"
---christan on 7/27/13


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In ancient times, the 'gates of the city' were where the leaders would meet.

So, "gates of hell" could be a metaphorical way of saying the plans of Satan.

It could also mean that the Church will break down the doors of Satan's strongholds.

And, of course, both meanings could be true at the same time.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/27/13


Matt. 16 v 18.
All that is Not of God. 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14 - 15 with the trinity in Rev. 17 v's 4 - 6, also those that worship the god's buddha, allah, hindu etc, the lovers of pleasure & Not God, fornicaters, smokers, adulterers, alcohol party goers, Other sin aspects. The gates of hell shall not prevail against, or over the Acts 2 v 38 Church of The Living God, on the day of Pentecost.
---Lawrence on 7/27/13


"What does the gates of hell consist of?"

???!!! The gates of hell are made of 100% UNBELIEF.
---Leon on 7/27/13


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