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Ellen White A Prophet

Was not Ellen G. White a legitimate holy Prophet of GOD?

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 ---Gordon on 7/31/13
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I challenge any christian to read either The Desire of Ages, or Christ's Object Lessons, by Ellen White,both available free online, and declare this author was not inspired. BTW she never called herself a prophet.
---therese on 8/7/13
let me include STEPS TO CHRIST in there
---francis on 8/7/13


'She believed just as Jesus did in the triune Godhead.'- jerry6593.

Jesus never said he was God, but as an Israelite, he directed worship to Almighty God Jehovah (YHWH)- Matt.4:10. Thus the apostate nonsense promoted by jerry that Jesus worshipped a 'triune Godhead' is thankfully without scriptural basis.

EGW did not hold the same belief as Jesus. Jesus did not speak of a triune Godhead. Jesus did not say the holy spirit is 'God' neither did he say they are co-equal or co-eternal. Trinitarians (EGW included) worship a false triune god- a god not worshipped by Jesus. Thus, trinitarians like EGW do not worship the same God Jesus worshipped.

Jerry6593, Ellen G White and Cluny are united in worship of a false, pagan triune god.
---David8318 on 8/7/13


\\Cluny, If GOD, as it appears you think, would not say more, or be more urgent with people, within and without the Church, than what HE's already expressed in the Canon, then, what would be the point of even raising up Prophets at all?\\

But that's not what I said, is it? Or do you actually understand what I said? Did you even read it, or merely react?

Of course, following your logic, you wind up with mormonoidism.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/7/13


Cluny, If GOD, as it appears you think, would not say more, or be more urgent with people, within and without the Church, than what HE's already expressed in the Canon, then, what would be the point of even raising up Prophets at all?

You mean to simply parrot and repeat the exact Words, the exact same wording, no more words and no less, than what is in the Canonical Scriptures?

Teachers and Laymen can do that much.

No,

GOD has a Mouth, and HE can use it to express HIMSELF more extensively than what we have in the Written Canon.

GOD revealed through HIS Prophet EGW things HE meant to only say at that time for the remaining generations to come before YAHUSHUA's Return.
---Gordon on 8/7/13


\\But, I present GOD's WRITTEN WORD to show HE does have modern-Prophets.\\

Unlike Trey, I have never denied that there are prophets in the Church today.

i just deny that EGW was ever one.

Can you grasp the difference?

I have also said elsewhere that the ministry of a TRUE prophet today is much more limited than that of the Biblical prophets.

But again, I doubt you have the discernment to understand this, either. You seem to chase after every "lo here, lo there," such as Elizabeth Elijah.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/7/13




\\Infusion is not immersion. Which is what the Didache and the Bible describe and teach. \\

But I didn't say "infusion." That's what you do with tea leaves and hot water. I said "AFfusion," which is a fancy word for pouring.

And actually, the Didache DOES allow for pouring if immersion is impossible or impractical. **3 But if thou hast neither [cold or warm water to immerse], pour water three times on the head "in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit." **

It doesn't take much thought to understand how there are times when Christian Baptism simply cannot be administered by immersion.

But Orthodox don't take the exception and make it the new rule.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/7/13


Axey:

Are you a JW? What do you do with:

Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.



---jerry6593 on 8/7/13


There are many Christian books available today of which I would say the author was inspired. I challenge any christian to read either The Desire of Ages, or Christ's Object Lessons, by Ellen White,both available free online, and declare this author was not inspired. BTW she never called herself a prophet.
---therese on 8/7/13


That's an easy question for anyone with biblical understanding.

1Cor13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail, whether there be tongues, they shall cease, whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

Tongues and prophecies ceased after the time of the apostles.

If Ellen G. White were still alive I would like to say to her:
1Cor14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak, but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
---trey on 8/7/13


Cluny, That's a "reason"??

Okay. whatever. But, I present GOD's WRITTEN WORD to show HE does have modern-Prophets.

Where??

In EPHESIANS 4:11-12
I CORINTHIANS 12
And, I CORINTHIANS 14
Now, GOD doesn't say "who" the Prophets "will be".

HE just simply lets us know, by these Verses, that HE's set up the Office of the Prophets IN HIS CHURCH, to help minister to the Church, and to carry out GOD's Will within and without the Church.

And, there are no time-limitations on this Office of the Prophet given in Scripture.

That means, as long as there are Pastors, Teachers, and Evangelists, there will also be Prophets, etc.
---Gordon on 8/6/13




Infusion is not immersion. Which is what the Didache and the Bible describe and teach.

The RCC actually does not follow all of the Church Fathers and teach many doctrines contrary to their teachings. I am not as familiar with the Orthodox teachings so in my ignorance I prefer not to speculate.

As for false prophesies of EGW. I do not remember what you listed Cluny. But I have seen a number of lists and none have proven to be accurate for they change context to make them untrue.

EGW predicted the SDA church would become world wide which has happened.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/6/13


There was never a time when God instructed his people more earnestly than he instructs them now concerning his will, and the course he would have them pursue.Testimonies, vol. 4, p. 148.
---Cluny on 8/6/13
That is very true
Both Peter and Paul say the same thing:
2 Peter 1:12 ... be established in the present
truth.

Hebrews 10:25 and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching

The fierce urgency of NOW
---francis on 8/6/13


\\Cluny, Would you tell us all, plainly, in short enough words, why you believe that E.G.W. was a "false" Prophet?

I thought I had quoted enough of her false prophecies already, but for you, here's one mere.

In ancient times God spoke to men by the mouth of the prophets and apostles. In these days he speaks to them by the Testimonies of his Spirit. There was never a time when God instructed his people more earnestly than he instructs them now concerning his will, and the course he would have them pursue.Testimonies, vol. 4, p. 148.

Here, EGW is clearly saying that God instructs people "more earnestly" through her own writings than in the pages of the Bible.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/6/13


\\On quoting the church fathers with icon. I just do not want to, not that I am unabel to, i just do not wish to.\\

If you could have, you would have.

Actually, the SDA, like all Protestants and the Resotration Movement (which grew out of Protesantism) is a child of the RCC.

And if it weren't for those nasty old church fathers whom you despise so much, how would you know which books would belong in the NT? God didn't send down a list of heaven, after all.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/6/13


Cluny, Would you tell us all, plainly, in short enough words, why you believe that E.G.W. was a "false" Prophet?
---Gordon on 8/6/13


jerry6593:

You asked David: Which person(s) of the Godhead do you not believe exists - Father, Son, or Holy Spirit?

Jehovah's Witnesses don't deny the existence of Jesus, nor that he is the Son - just that he is God.

And how can you call yourself a Christian if you deny the teachings of Christ?

Jesus never actually said "I am God". John 1:1 and 1 John 5:7 were John's words, not Jesus's.

In John 10:30, Jesus said "I and my Father are one." but John 17:21 says "That they all may be one, as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.", so "being one" speaks of unity, not identity.
---StrongAxe on 8/6/13


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---Cluny on 8/5/13
Lutherans are offsprins of the RCC, just as Orthodox, so iw ould expect simularities in many doctrines, Luther was a roman catholic once

On quoting the church fathers with icon. I just do not want to, not that I am unabel to, i just do not wish to.

the fact they icons are in the churches, and nothing has been done in all these years speak volumes in itself to the heathanistic proactices of catholism as a whole including orthodoxy, and you are just as responsible as anyoen in the church for saying nothing
---francis on 8/6/13


\\ I also pointed out that the Diadache supports Baptism by immersion which the Early Apostolic churches used to practice but then quit and switched to sprinkling. \\

The Orthodox church and other Eastern Churches baptize by triple immersion under normal circumstances and have never stopped.

And the Roman Catholic Church has NEVER baptized by merely sprinkling, but by triple affusion, or pouring.

Liberal Protestants, OTOH, have sprinkled for decades, if not centuries.

I'm glad that you have read the Ante-Nicene Fathers, Samuel. That is clearly more than either jerry or francis have done.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/6/13


David: Thanks for showing that EGW taught the biblical concept of the Trinity. She believed just as Jesus did in the triune Godhead. Which person(s) of the Godhead do you not believe exists - Father, Son, or Holy Spirit? And how can you call yourself a Christian if you deny the teachings of Christ?



---jerry6593 on 8/6/13


Cluny David agrees with you EGW is false. He does it because she supported the Trinity.

On 8/3 I asked what you thought of 3 EGW quotes. You asked me to say what I thought of the quotes you had already given. Of the quotes by her that you posted I had already answered on three of them at least and I think four. So I asked you for some new ones. Which you have not posted for me to comment on. I also pointed out that the Diadache supports Baptism by immersion which the Early Apostolic churches used to practice but then quit and switched to sprinkling.

I read a book Called Early Church Fathers Ante Nicene I had no problems with their teaching. But the orthodox churches have problems with all Protestant churches not just SDA.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/5/13


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\\the teachings of these church fathers are far removed from what the apostles taught. I think the work of reformer such as martin show that to be a fact.\\

Actually. Martin Luther QUOTED the fathers.

\\I do not have to name the exact fathers, the very fact that any of the fathers saw this, and allowed it, even embraced it is endorsment of it\\

In other words, you have NO idea what the fathers actually wrote, and are just slandering them and repeating hearsay.

I thought as much.

I, OTOH, quoted EXACTLY what EGW said and gave references to her writings where it could be verified.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/5/13


Ellen G White wrote:

'Sin could be resisted and overcome only through the mighty agency of the Third Person of the Godhead, who would come with no modified energy, but in the fullness of divine power'- The Desire of Ages- p.671.

'The Holy Spirit is a person, for He beareth witness with our spirits that we are the children of God'- Evangelism Manuscript 20, 1906, p. 9.

EGW believed what many today perceive as the trinity. EGW believed the HS to be a 'person' and that the Godhead consists of 'three persons'. These false trinitarian teachings make EGW a false prophet.

The EGW/trinitarian concept is a false pagan theory promoted by non-Christian, Un-orthodox churches.
---David8318 on 8/5/13


Mark V, What EPHESIANS 4:11-12 says is that GOD "...gave some Apostles, and some, Prophets, and some, Evangelists, and some, Pastors and Teachers."

Yes, it says HE "gave", as in that one-time, past-tense, but, that was for the STARTING OF something GOD intended very much to continue on throughout the Church Age.

A hint for knowing that also comes by the fact that, along with this Office of Prophet, are EVANGELISTS, PASTORS and TEACHERS, and those three Offices STILL EXIST.

All five Offices of EPHESIANS 4:11 are listed together, at the same time, with no time limitations on any of them.

So, just as surely as Pastors and Teachers exist in the Church, we can know that Prophets do, as well.
---Gordon on 8/5/13


More slander, jerry. The only one you mentioned before is #2, and as I've said, while Orthodoxy believes in the change of the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ, she has never committed herself to HOW this change occurs, which is what transubstantiation does.

Properly Orthodox should have services DAILY. Since I cannot attend them personally, I pray them at home.

I've never said I believe in theistic evolution as a matter of faith.

And you are wrong about what you call the "essence of purgatory and reincarnation." But then, you're wrong about so many other things.

Glory to JEsus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/5/13


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--StrongAxe on 8/5/13
that is a lie
the teachings of these church fathers are far removed from what the apostles taught. I think the work of reformer such as martin show that to be a fact.

If you honestly believe that these were disciples of tehapostles, and taught what the apostles taught then you shoule be a Roman Catholic

---Cluny on 8/5/13
I do not have to name the exact fathers, the very fact that any of the fathers saw this, and allowed it, even embraced it is endorsment of it
---francis on 8/5/13


francis:

The term "church fathers" refers specifically to the direct disciples of the Apostles, as the Apostles were direct disciples of Jesus. Long before any institution calling itself the "Roman Catholic Church" was in existence.
---StrongAxe on 8/5/13


==The same one who led the church indulgences... Who led the church into bowing before statues of Zeus, Isis and Adonis calling them Peter, Mary and Jesus. ==

Please name the exact fathers who did this, and give the exact quotes from their writings encouraging this behavior.

I've given exact quotes from EGW and where they can be verified. You do likewise for your accusations.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/5/13


Clunity: "I believe in NONE of the propositions you mentioned"

Oh, but you do! You have defended several of these pagan concepts right here on CN:

1) Theistic Evolution - with its attendant denial of the literal Creation - account in Genesis is one of your stated beliefs.

2) Transubstantiation has been one of your pet beliefs, albeit so wrapped in circumlocutive Catholic phraseology that no one (including you) understands it.

3) You believe in the non-corporeal existence (spooks) of people in death - the essence of reincarnation and purgatory - the same as the pagans.

4) You also worship on the day dedicated to Mithra - the same as the Gnostics.


---jerry6593 on 8/5/13


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//We have heard EGW, and she has been judged by all of the pre-reformation Churches ... They have 2000 years of proof that they are right,...
Who are you going to listen to? //

---Monk_Brendan on 8/3/13


What pre-reformation churches, Catholic and Greek Orthodox? The RC Papacy has been judged by the Bible and all the protestant reformers to be the Antichrist, whose reign was 1260 (not 2000) years and then suffered a deadly wound in 1798.

The Bible says:

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

EGW spoke according to the Law - the RC Church thinks to change times and laws.



---jerry6593 on 8/5/13


francis, like I said no Muslim has ever died for God. They may have died for a god but not God.
I would have thought you would have known that.
You gotta get your own sausage or either keep on with that bologna
---Elder on 8/4/13


---Elder on 8/4/13
In the age of Google!

Khalid al-Mihdhar, Nawaf al-Hazmi, Mohamed Atta, Marwan al-Shehhi, Ziad Jarrah Hani Hanjour,

My point is this: Just as these muslim give their lives thinking they are serving God, so did many of the so called church fathers

ironically none of the apostles are church fathers. These are founding fathers of the RCC. The same one who led the church indulgences rather than Just shall live by faith. Who led the church into bowing before statues of Zeus, Isis and Adonis calling them Peter, Mary and Jesus.

The reason why no apostle is a church father is that these RCC fathers moved far away from the truth and into heathenism
---francis on 8/4/13


BTW, jerry, I don't know WHERE you got the idea that Cerinthus was considered a father. He's ALWAYS been condemned as a heretic.

Many propositions of Origen have been condemned, such as the pre-existence of souls--PREincarnation, if you will, not REincarnation. (The mormonoid mutants from Kolob believe this, btw.) Also, Origen never taught purgatory, but rather the apocatastasis or universal salvation.

Clement of Alexandria was right in some things and wrong in others, but has not no major influence in Orthodox theology.

Other than these major errors, you were right.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/4/13


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"I will name you seven Muslims who gave their lives for God"
francis
Name one! Bettcha a polish sausage, from a dedicated Jew friend of mine, that you can't name one.
francis, I thought it would take longer than this but you have really reached the bottom of the barrel.
---Elder on 8/4/13


\\Cerinthus, Origen, and Clement of Alexandria for starters.... \\

But the the three you mentioned are NOT considered saints of the church,

\\1) The Holy Spirit was a feminine force.
2) That Jesus was only a created being.
3) They believed in the doctrine of Purgatory
4) They believed in transubstantiation
5) They believed in reincarnation of the soul.
6)They believed Genesis 1-3 was a myth, not historical or literal, as there was no actual person named "Adam."

Come to think of it, they sound just like you.\\

I believe in NONE of the propositions you mentioned, How could they sound just like me?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/4/13


francis:

Polycarp comes to mind - and I know very little about post-Apostolic Christianity. anyone who has studied it could name more.

Many modern Protestants assume Christianity virtually ended after the Apostles until "rediscovered" in recent centuries - which does a great disservice to all Christians who lived in the almost two thousand years inbetween.

(Also, lack of martyrdom is not evidence of pagan belief - otherwise ALL on these blogs are pagans because we are still alive!)

Also, many Muslims who sacrifice lives for God sacrifice ones other than their own (like Timothy McVeigh - an aberration among Christians rather than the norm).
---StrongAxe on 8/3/13


\\HUH?? which church father gave their lives for Christ, name ONE, and I will name you seven Muslims who gave their lives for God\\

First, the Allah of mahometanism is not the God of Christianity.

Among the Church Fathers who gave their lives for Christ are St. Justin Martyr (whom I mentioned elsewhere and jerry dismissed as pagan), St. Polycarp of Smyrna, and St. Ignatius of Antioch.

There is also St. Telemachus, who singlehandedly and by his death stopped the gladitorial games in in the Collusseum. For that matter, St. Gaudentius, who died there, was its architect.

But the question was NOT which of the fathers gave their lives for Christ, but to quote any that taught paganism.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/3/13


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Clunity: "Please give the name of ONE "paganesque" church father and what he taught that was paganesque. Be specific. (Bet you can't.)"

Cerinthus, Origen, and Clement of Alexandria for starters. They were Gnostic pagans and taught (among other heresies) that:

1) The Holy Spirit was a feminine force.
2) That Jesus was only a created being.
3) They believed in the doctrine of Purgatory
4) They believed in transubstantiation
5) They believed in reincarnation of the soul.
6)They believed Genesis 1-3 was a myth, not historical or literal, as there was no actual person named "Adam."

Come to think of it, they sound just like you.
---jerry6593 on 8/4/13


I have read the Early church Fathers and the Didache. I see Christian works that I have no problem with them generally. So I may have read as much of the Early Church Fathers as you have.

Latter ones who advocated that the leaders did not have to live as Christians to be the leaders were wrong.

In the Didache Baptism is by immersion. Not the way the Orthodox practice it. So the Seventh day Adventist do follow true Baptism.

What books by EGW have you read?
---Samuelbb7 on 8/4/13


Let's see. You call the church fathers, many of whom gave their lives for Christ, "paganesque," but I use hate speech?
---Cluny on 8/3/13
HUH?? which church father gave their lives for Christ, name ONE, and I will name you seven Muslims who gave their lives for God
---francis on 8/3/13


\\Oh, that's right, you pseudo-Orthodox types don't believe the Bible - you only believe you paganesque church fathers.\\

Let's see. You call the church fathers, many of whom gave their lives for Christ, "paganesque," but I use hate speech?

I'll bet I've read more of EGW than you have of the Fathers.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/3/13


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1 Cor 14:29 says that Christians have the right, if not duty, to judge purported prophecies.

But EGW denied this divine Scripture when she said, When I sent you a testimony of warning and reproof, many of you declare it to be merely the opinion of Sister White. You have thereby insulted theSpirit of God.1 Selected Messages, 27.

Discern for yourselves, Christian believers.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/3/13


If Ellen G. White is a prophet, then while she spoke, we were to remain silent, but afterwords, we were to judge whether this prophecy is right or wrong.

We have heard EGW, and she has been judged by all of the pre-reformation Churches that she is a false prophet. They have 2000 years of proof that they are right, and EGW has not even been dead one century.

Who are you going to listen to?
---Monk_Brendan on 8/3/13


\\Oh, that's right, you pseudo-Orthodox types don't believe the Bible - you only believe you paganesque church fathers.\\

Please give the name of ONE "paganesque" church father and what he taught that was paganesque. Be specific. (Bet you can't.)

\\When are you going to learn that you will not achieve salvation by bashing fellow Christians with continual hate speech? \\

The question is whether SDA and similar sects are indeed Christian to start with. I'll give you a hint, when an SDA becomes an Orthodox Christian, s/he is received by Orthodox baptism, just as a JW, LDS, or other non-Christian. (The Saturday Sabbath issue is the LEAST of the SDAs deviations from Christianity.)

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/3/13


Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles, and some, prophets, and some, evangelists, and some, pastors and teachers,

Ephesians 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

If there are no more prophets today can we conclude that the perfecting of the saints, the work of the ministry, the edifying of the body of Christ has been completed and thus we do not need all these gifts anymore?
---francis on 8/3/13


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Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles, and some, prophets, and some, evangelists, and some, pastors and teachers,

Ephesians 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

If there are no more prophets today can we conclude that we have all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ?
---francis on 8/3/13


Gordon you say,

"Mark V, The Holy Bible says in EPHESIANS 4:11-12 and in I CORINTHIANS 12 and 14 that GOD does have Prophets alive and well in the Church today."

How can the Bible say what you said? I could not find it. It said there was prophets then, but it did not talk about today's prophets who are out there now. Not one of them is mentioned in the Bible. The prophets talked about were the ones who together with the apostles with the Chief cornerstone who is Christ Jesus together build the household of God, the Church (Eph. 2:19,20). These were not ordinary believers who had the gift of prophecy but specially commissioned men in the early Church.
---Mark_V. on 8/3/13


\\1Th 5:20 Despise not prophesyings. \\

But EGW gave false prophecies.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/3/13


Cluny: "But CHRISTIANS believe Spirit of Prophecy means the Holy Spirit." Not REAL Christians - they believe the Bible.

Rev 19:10 .... the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Oh, that's right, you pseudo-Orthodox types don't believe the Bible - you only believe you paganesque church fathers.

When are you going to learn that you will not achieve salvation by bashing fellow Christians with continual hate speech? You follow after your mentor - "The Accuser of the Brethren".


---jerry6593 on 8/3/13


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Cluny: "I have prayed about EGW and EE, and God has answered that they are not and never have been holy prophets sent by Him."

This is interesting. Just exactly how did God answer you? Was it a voice in your head. Was it a vague impression that your preconceived hatred for SDA's was right all along? Was it from one of those "spirit-filled" anti-SDA websites? It certainly was not from His Word:

1Th 5:20 Despise not prophesyings.

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your DAUGHTERS SHALL PROPHESY, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:



---jerry6593 on 8/3/13


\\1Jo4:2,3 Cluny of the three statements by EGW I posted which do you disagree with?
---Samuelbb7 on 8/2/13\\

I'll answer that if you first tell me with which of the false statements of EGW you agree.

(I've noticed that attempts in the past were made to deny what she said, but not since I've given the location of her absurd statements.)

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/2/13


"God With Us" By E. G. White
"His name shall be called Immanuel, God with us." "The light of the knowledge of the glory of God" is seen "in the face of Jesus Christ." From the days of eternity the Lord Jesus Christ was one with the Father, He was "the image of God," the image of His greatness and majesty, "the outshining of His glory." It was to manifest this glory that He came to our world. To this sin-darkened earth He came to reveal the light of God's love,--to be "God with us." Therefore it was prophesied of Him, "His name shall be called Immanuel."

1Jo4:2,3 Cluny of the three statements by EGW I posted which do you disagree with?
---Samuelbb7 on 8/2/13


\\And, how much easier it is to listen to and believe the false accusations aimed at GOD's holy Prophets when it comes from the mouths of others like-minded, than it is to take up said Prophet before the LORD and to ask HIM directly if so-and-so-Prophet is of HIM or not.\\

I have prayed about EGW and EE, and God has answered that they are not and never have been holy prophets sent by Him.

Furthermore, all quotes I've given from EGW's writings are either from the White Estate site or from other SDA sites, such as Andrews University. They have NOT been hearsay. I have said NOTHING about EGW that is not true.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/2/13


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"Muhammah"- Mark_V

Really?
---scott on 8/2/13


And, how much easier it is to listen to and believe the false accusations aimed at GOD's holy Prophets when it comes from the mouths of others like-minded, than it is to take up said Prophet before the LORD and to ask HIM directly if so-and-so-Prophet is of HIM or not.

Ya gotta DIG, DIG, DIG for the Truth that has been covered by the slimy vomit of slanderers who really don't bother to personally seek GOD's Guidance and Counsel.
---Gordon on 8/2/13


Heavenly Places pg138
It is not enough to study the Bible as other books are studied.... the Holy Spirit must move on the heart of the searcher. The same Spirit that inspired the Word must inspire the reader of the Word.
The mere reading of the Word will not accomplish the result designed of heaven, it must be studied and cherished in the heart. The knowledge of God is not gained without mental effort. We should diligently study the Bible, asking God for the aid of the Holy Spirit, that we may understand His Word. We should take one verse and concentrate the mind on the task of ascertaining the thought which God has put in that verse for us. We should dwell on the thought till it becomes our own, and we know what saith the Lord.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/2/13


That there are prophets today I am not denying. However, their ministries are much more limited in both area and temporal significance than the Hebrew prophets of the OT or St. John the Baptist, who was the summit of the prophets.

Having clarified that, EGW and Elizabeth Elijah are not and never were true prophets of God.

And to correct something I said earlier:

The Father IS Lord God Almighty. Jesus Christ (incarnate Logos) IS Lord God Almighty. The Holy Spirit--aka Spirit of Prophecy-- IS Lord God Almighty, despite the peeping and muttering of EGW.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/2/13


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Mark V, The Holy Bible says in EPHESIANS 4:11-12 and in I CORINTHIANS 12 and 14 that GOD does have Prophets alive and well in the Church today.

Open up your Bible, read those Verses and just believe them. They are GOD's own Written Words.
---Gordon on 8/2/13


EGW. quote

After His resurrection, Christ ascended to heaven, and He is today presenting our needs to the Father. "I have graven thee upon the palms of My hands," He says. Isaiah 49:16. It cost something to engrave them there. It cost untold agony. If we would humble ourselves before God, and be kind and courteous and tenderhearted and pitiful, there would be one hundred conversions to the truth where now there is only one. But, though professing to be converted, we carry around with us a bundle of self that we regard as altogether too precious to be given up. It is our privilege to lay this burden at the feet of Christ and in its place take the character and similitude of Christ. The Saviour is waiting for us to do this.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/2/13


Gordon, there is no more prophets with new information. All we need is in Scripture. God never said He was going to make E.G. White a prophet. Or Charles Russell, or John Smith, or Jim Jones, or Muhammah. Their words are not God's Word. There is no way anyone can proof their words come from God. Unless when you are arguing for her, God suddenly speaks from heaven and says, "yes she is my prophet" and we all hear Him. God spoke already and we have His Word now.
---Mark_V. on 8/2/13


Gordon your answer is in your question. All you gotta do is rearrange the words.
You asked, "Was not Ellen G. White a legitimate holy Prophet of GOD?"
Change the words to, "Ellen G. White was not a legitimate holy Prophet of GOD?"
There ya got it!!
---Elder on 8/1/13


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Cluny . . . it does not directly say the woman's character is transmitted by her milk. But I consider that since she is so intimately involved with the child, she can spiritually minister how she is to the child.
---willie_c: on 8/1/13


\\Yes SOP does not mean HOLY SPIRIT. So what?\\

But CHRISTIANS believe Spirit of Prophecy means the Holy Spirit.

And contrary to what both EGW and Gordon said, Christ Jesus IS Almighty God, just as the Father is Almighty God, and the Holy Spirit is Almighty God.

1 x 1 x 1 = 1

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/1/13


Andrews University, an SDA institution, attributes these words to EGW:

''A wet-nurse, substituting for the mother, imparts her temper and temperament to nursing child. Also imparts her moral or immoral character. Same coarse quality of blood in nursing woman is transmitted to child.''

Following this reasoning, giving an infant cow's milk will make the baby want to run across meadows, eat grass, and moo.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/1/13


It will be difficult but I will try to answer some of the false charges here.


EGW was a wizardress who peeped and muttered.
It is well known that by "Spirit of Prophecy," SDAs do not mean the Holy Spirit, but EGW's.

Cluny

First she had no visions as a child but was a devout Christian who was baptized into the Methodist church after declaring JESUS as her savior. Your use of derogatory words and terms does not prove anything. Walter Martin spoke of her Christian words even though he did not believe her to be a prophetess.

You do not have to believe in Sister White to be saved.

Yes SOP does not mean HOLY SPIRIT. So what?

Demons do not declare JESUS is GOD and our only savior.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/1/13


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"It is a sin to be sick, for all sickness is the result of transgression. Health Reformer, Aug. 1, 1866"

Cluny on 8/1/13

Yes JESUS is not GOD the Father. Do you believe that he is?

Out of context. When a person lives so as to make themselves sick by their actions then it is a sin. Such as taking illegal drugs or drinking alcohol to you kill yourself.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/1/13


\\My work for the past thirty years bears the stamp of God or the stamp of the enemy. There is no halfway work in the matter. The Testimonies are of the Spirit of God, or of the devil. & #8232, Testimonies, Vol. 4, p. 230. E.G. White\\

On the basis of EGW's false prophecies and heretical statements, what do YOU think?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/1/13


Cluny, The writings of Ellen G. White are full of her expressing how Yahushua/Jesus Christ is God. That He is God the Son.

The quote you presented of her, here, meant something other than what you are claiming it does.

Like, she was saying that God the Son was not God the Father, though they are, nevertheless, ONE with each Other.

And, why do SDA have doctors and hospitals?

To serve the LORD, and help the sick get well, and testify of the Salvation of GOD and HIS Forgiveness of sins.
---Gordon on 8/1/13


I've been quoting EGW's writings as found on her official site run by the White Estate.

Here's another one. The Apostles taught that Jesus Christ is God Incarnate. But EGW says:

''Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty" (Letter 32, 1899, quoted in the Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary, vol. 5, p. 1129).'

Jesus said about the blind man that nobody's sins were responsible for his blindness, but EGW said:

"It is a sin to be sick, for all sickness is the result of transgression. Health Reformer, Aug. 1, 1866"

BTW, if it's a sin to be sick, why are there SDA physicians and hospitals?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/1/13


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Who was she?
---catherine on 8/1/13


Well, I don't know her personally so that I could know her example (1 Peter 5:3). People knew Paul and his example, personally > 1 Thessalonians 2:1-12.

And there is nothing reportedly from her, that is obviously better than what the Bible already seems to say.

Are there people actually calling more attention to her, than to Jesus??? There is no more coming from her, than there is from Jesus and the Bible. So, why so much attention to her and her name? If she were a prophet, she "might" not appreciate this.
---willie_c: on 8/1/13


The answer to the question is NO. She got hit on the head and begin to have visions some time later. Many things she said were words already in the Bible, the rest she added to it. But she is a legitimate prophet for the SDA's. Just ask francis and jerry.
---Mark_V. on 8/1/13


To answer your question aka, "Jezebel spirit" is one of these buzz phrases like "accept Christ" and "personal Savior" or even "spare the rod and spoil the child" that people assume are in the Bible, but are not.

"Walk-in spirit" is an expression I use (and it's not limited to myself, nor did I coin it) that best describes what happened to White and Cayce (among others) and how they got afflicted with the entity that spoke through them. I certainly do not pretend its Biblical.

"Jezebel spirit" generally means no more than "I don't like the way this person is acting."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/31/13


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What number EGW's name adds up to, or the source of her revelations, or when they started, or how they started, are are totally irrelevant with respect to the truth of what she said.

If she made any statements while exercising the office of prophet (whether or not such office was ever legitimately acquired), and such statements were false, she is, ipso facto, a false prophet.

There are several things she has claimed that have been shown to be demonstrably false. So either she said them (which makes her a false prophet), or the official source of her writings is lying about what she said (so one can't rely on anything else she supposedly said either). So which is it?
---StrongAxe on 7/31/13


yes she was
The same questions has been asked about almost every prophet, even of Jesus,

Her accuser say foolish things like "GW (whose name adds up to 666) " Why is that foolish.

Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man, and his number [is] Six hundred threescore [and] six.

She was not a man, and 666 is the number of a man

So if we are going to talk about the prophetess E G White
rule number 1: original writing ONLY, no hear sar
---francis on 7/31/13


Cluny, I hardly think this topic needs addressed again. I think it is clear to anyone who is not sea.

However, I am confused about something that you say. Whenever anybody mentions a Jezebel spirit, you immediately make fun. I will grant you that many have taken this notion too far. Nevertheless, if someone can be entered by a walk-in spirit, then that spirit has attributes. Can't a spirit have the attributes of a woman like Jezebel and be a walk- in demon?

Please this question is in sincerity.
---aka on 7/31/13


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