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Biblical Kinds In Bible

The usual biological taxons are Kingdom, Phylum, Class, Order, Family, Genus, Species (with occasional sub- and super- levels). Which of these corresponds to the Biblical "kinds" of Genesis 1-2 and elsewhere in the Bible?

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Trav, of course all Scripture has relevance as it is "God breather." However the Scriptures you gave are not relevant to the topic. That is a totally different matter.

Conversely the Scriptures I quoted show that Adam and Eve were made on day 6, not as a second stream of humans on day 7, as you claim.
---Warwick on 8/26/13


As usual your many Scriptures are not relevant to the issue at hand.
---Warwick on 8/23/13

What you find a mystery....requires being a sheep for relevance.
All verses in this generational book are relevant to the "sheep".
Sheep are shown their, creation heritage, early failures/successes.
1st engagement to GOD, their marriage to GOD, the children and divorce by GOD. Divorced under law the hopelessness of their redemption. GOD cannot die to free them in widowhood. But....he did.

Isa_54:4 Fear not, for thou shalt not be ashamed: neither be thou confounded, for thou shalt not be put to shame: for thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth, and shalt not remember the reproach of thy widowhood any more.
---Trav on 8/26/13


Trav, you are wrong, at Mark 10:6 Jesus says his listeners are descendants of those made on day 6 of creation, namely Adam and Eve. Eve being the "mother of all living" and Adam whose sin brought the curse upon all born after him. And Jesus the last Adam who came to overturn the curse. Do I have to give you chapter and verse to show you the truth? Don't you know His word intimately?

As usual your many Scriptures are not relevant to the issue at hand.
---Warwick on 8/23/13


Trav, in Mark 10:6 Jesus says to the ancestors of Adam and Eve .......
---Warwick on 8/21/13

But you make the point more visible.
Adam and Eve are the lineage beginning. First Adam and first Eve. I'll tie some "descendant" scripture.
Rom_11:26 so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom_9:4 Who are Israelites, to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises,
Exo_19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
---Trav on 8/23/13


Cluny and Jed, thanks for the correction, certainly a slip of the pen. It should have read-Jesus says to the descendants of Adam and Eve...
---Warwick on 8/22/13




Warwick, Adam and Eve had no ancesters. They were created directly from the dust of the earth by God.
---Jed on 8/22/13


\\Trav, in Mark 10:6 Jesus says to the ancestors of Adam and Eve\\

Who were Adam and Eve's ancestors, Warwick?

My ancestors are my parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, etc. So are yours.

Don't you really mean to say "descendants"?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/22/13


Trav, in Mark 10:6 Jesus says to the ancestors of Adam and Eve 'But at the beginning of creation God "made them male and female,"' quoting Genesis 1:27. So when were His listeners first ancestors made? As recorded in Genesis 1:27, on day 6. He continues "for this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife", quoting Genesis 2:27. What does this tell us? That those made on day 6 were the same people as discussed in Chapter two, not different people.

Remember it is the man and woman made on day 6 who were made in the image of God, as recorded in Genesis 1:26,:27 three times. And James (3:9) says it is we who are made in God's image. Therefore our ancestors are Adam and Eve, made on day 6.
---Warwick on 8/21/13


---Warwick on 8/21/13
Okay
---francis on 8/21/13


Francis my point is that Genesis 1:1 says that on day one God created the heavens (shamayim) and the earth. And that which He created on day two, as per verses 6-8, (alternatively called sky or heaven) is something else called by a totally different name, the Hebrew being 'raqia.'

The rest of Genesis tells us how He transformed the earth, it being created formless and empty. It wasn't until later (verse 9) that God caused dry ground to appear, giving the earth its finished shape. And it was initially without life of any kind, which he created or made on the days following that.
---Warwick on 8/21/13




Trav, Genesis 2 is not another creation account. There are no pre-Adamic people.
---Warwick on 8/20/13

The only additional formed being was Adam. And Eve from Adam. The Bible is written by for and too the generations of Adam through Israel. Every evidence is provided as one reads. It is those who displace/ignore/misuse/mistreat that object.
Gen_5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him,
Psa_105:8 He hath remembered his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations.
Isa_60:15 Whereas thou hast been forsaken and hated, so that no man went through thee, I will make thee an eternal excellency, a joy of many generations.
---Trav on 8/21/13


---Warwick on 8/21/13
the bible starts like this:

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth

the rest fo the chapter tells us how and in what oprder he created the heavesn and the earth
---francis on 8/21/13


Francis, I agree the 6 days of the creation week are the beginning of the creation, that in which we now live. However I cannot see how you work out that the heavens were created on day two. Verse 1 says the 'heavens' (Hebrew 'shamayim') were created while verse 8 says God made the 'expanse', calling it sky or heaven (Hebrew 'raqia')depending upon the what translation we are reading.
---Warwick on 8/21/13


the six days are the beginning of creation, and man was created on the 6th day. the first marriage took place on the 6th day

Mark 10:6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.

Jesus is talking here about the 6 days of creation, which is the beginning of creation


Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Notice that the heavens itself was created on day two
Genesis 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

yet the bible says Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
---francis on 8/20/13


\\Cluny, Jesus himself said that mankind were created "At the beginning of creation". Are you calling him a liar also?
---Jed on 8/20/13\\

Follow your own advice and get some new lines, Jed.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/20/13


Cluny, Jesus himself said that mankind were created "At the beginning of creation". Are you calling him a liar also?
---Jed on 8/20/13


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Cluny, as Jed says-you argue to avoid the truth. Either you do not read what I write, or read it and choose to misrepresent it-dishonesty either way.

I wrote 'He was not talking about creation week, but the creation we live in as per "the whole creation" Romans 8:22. Jesus said this about 4,000 years after the beginning of creation, c1.4 million days later. Six days in relation to 1.4 million days is 0.00042% which is, I believe, 4/10,000ths of 1% Only a pedant would quibble with Jesus calling this "at the beginning."' But you claim I am saying the 6th day out of 7 days is at the beginning of the creation week. Deceit.

There are some here with whom I disagree but they are honest. You are not one of them.
---Warwick on 8/20/13


Francis if you read what I have written you will see Jesus was not talking about creation week, as it would be absurd and dishonest of him to say day 6 of 7 is at the beginning of creation week. And He obviously knows infinitely more about the beginning, than we do. I have pointed out He was using creation as per Romans 8:22 "The whole of creation groans..." This is the creation in which we live, the created order. I trust you understand this is not speaking of the 6 days of creation, and 7th of rest?
---Warwick on 8/20/13


Cluny, he did not say "first day", those are your words, not his. He said "in the beginning". "Beginning" is a relative term, and in relation to several thousans of years of human/earth existence, yes, the sixth day can be considered in the beginning. The bible tells us that man was created in the same week as the world. That is what he meant, but you know that, you just want to argue to avoid truth.
---Jed on 8/20/13


It is possible that Cluny is saying that the beginning of creation is day 1 when God made light, and Warwick is saying that the beginning of creation are the first 7 days of creation?

So that one is saying that Adam was not created on day one, but on day six, and the other agrees but says that day six is also the beginning of creation?
---francis on 8/20/13


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\\Cluny,Jesus says man was made at the beginning of creation.\\

So, you think mankind being made the sixth day after Creation began is the same as mankind being made on the FIRST day, which is what "beginning", but my beliefs are unbiblical.

Do I understand you properly?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/20/13


-Trav on 8/18/13

Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him, male and female created he them.

Genesis 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

God made man on the 6th day. Not after the seventh

Genesis 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made
---francis on 8/20/13


Cluny,Jesus says man was made at the beginning of creation. However this does not fit with your nonBiblical beliefs. Sadly you pick and choose what parts of Scripture you believe, those parts which don't contradict your nonBiblical views.

Mark 10:6 "But at the beginning of creation God 'made them male and female.'"

Matthew 19:4 "Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,'

Both Mark and Matthew have Jesus quoting Genesis 1:27 which concerns the making of man and woman on the 6th day. You have it backwards, Jesus bases Christian marriage on the reality of their creation on day 6, at the beginning of this creation in which we live.
---Warwick on 8/19/13


Trav, Genesis 2 is not another creation account as it doesn't mention the creation of the earth, sun, moon, stars, seas, land, sky, sea creatures, creeping creatures etc. It is man-centered, recapping the creation of the man and woman, providing details not provided in Ch.1. Adam and Eve were made on the 6th day of creation. There are no pre-Adamic people.
---Warwick on 8/20/13


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\\Cluny,unless you have short-term memory problems you know I have given chapter and verse where in discussing the basis of marriage Jesus says man was made at the beginning of creation. \\

Jesus doesn't say that Man was made at the beginning of creation.

"Beginning" in this case refers to the beginning of the relationship we call marriage.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/19/13


Are you saying there were pre-Adamic humans, trav?
Please clarify.
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/17/13

Signpost:
Note that the Gen 1 man subdues the whole earth and everything on it.
Adam is differentiated in that he has GOD's spirit breathed into him. Adam is placed in a specific garden to keep.

Another to Adam/Israel.
Deu_32:8 When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.

Eze_37:3 And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord GOD, thou knowest.

Heb 8:8. The rest of the story pending....
---Trav on 8/18/13


Cluny,unless you have short-term memory problems you know I have given chapter and verse where in discussing the basis of marriage Jesus says man was made at the beginning of creation. He does not say, man was made at the beginning of creation week. He is talking of the creation, in which Adam and Abraham lived and in which, Jesus and we now live. This is the same sense in which Romans 8:22 says "We know the whole of creation has been groaning..."

If Jesus said man was made at the beginning of creation week you would have a point, but He didn't and you don't.

It all comes down to whether you are prepared to trust Jesus. He says man was made at the beginning of creation-do you say he is correct, yes or no?
---Warwick on 8/18/13


With Adam and Eve being created after the 7th day of rest.
---Trav on 8/17/13

from what bible did you get that God created anything after the sixth day?

---francis on 8/17/13

OK, you got me. KJV. Formed would be the correct term in
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

Isa_43:21 This people have I formed for myself, they shall shew forth my praise.

Isa_54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper, and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.
---Trav on 8/18/13


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\\Cluny, Jesus has clearly said that man was made at the beginning of Creation. I ask you was He wrong? Yes or no?

Glory to Jesus Christ you say. I wonder what that means?
---Warwick on 8/17/13\\

Can you quote where Jesus actually said that man was created at the BEGINNING of Creation?

Especially when Genesis says that mankind was the LAST thing God created.

Or are you saying that Jesus disagreed with Moses on this matter? Moses said that LIGHT was made at the beginning of Creation.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/18/13


StrongAxe, I now trust you can see that if Adam and Eve were created 6 million years after the beginning (as you proposed) that places them as appearing almost at the end of creation, when Jesus who made them says they were created at the beginning?
---Warwick on 8/18/13


\\With Adam and Eve being created after the 7th day of rest.\\

Are you saying there were pre-Adamic humans, trav?

Please clarify.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/17/13


Trav:

You wrote: With Adam and Eve being created after the 7th day of rest.


Gen: 1:27,31
"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him, male and female created he them.
...
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day."

So they were both created BEFORE the 7th day, rather than after.
---StrongAxe on 8/17/13


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Cluny, Jesus has clearly said that man was made at the beginning of Creation. I ask you was He wrong? Yes or no?

Glory to Jesus Christ you say. I wonder what that means?
---Warwick on 8/17/13


With Adam and Eve being created after the 7th day of rest.
---Trav on 8/17/13

from what bible did you get that God created anything after the sixth day?


Genesis 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, [it was] very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Genesis 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

Genesis 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
---francis on 8/17/13


Even a literal reading of Genesis 1-2 has humans NOT present at the beginning of creation, but six days after it started.
---Cluny on 8/17/13

With Adam and Eve being created after the 7th day of rest.
Adam was and will be a governmental type it seems as were his lineage which is Noah-Abraham-Jacob-Israel.
Other than Cain going to a city of Gen 1 humans. There is another verse that shows the sons of GOD...Adamites and the Gen 1 peoples.
Gen_6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair, and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Noah....kept from these as written.
Gen 6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
---Trav on 8/17/13


\\StrongAxe, Jesus, who was there says man was made at the beginning of creation but your nonBiblical philosophy has man made almost at the end of creation, about 6,000 years ago, c 6 million years after the beginning.\\

Even a literal reading of Genesis 1-2 has humans NOT present at the beginning of creation, but six days after it started.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/17/13


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What you write is often meaningless, and irrelevant to the issue. And your words expose envy. I am not "chafed" at all.
---Warwick on 8/16/13

My post exhibit what and where you fear to tread with Israel. Meaningless and irrelevant to anyone but sheep. As you self admit not being.
That fact you think everyone is envious of you is a sign of just how introverted your inner man is buried. I've peace and treasure you haven't experienced. Peace of seeing scriptural mystery unfold. The treasure is the value unmeasurable. I've bought the field with the pearl in it.
Psa_109:4 For my love they are my adversaries: but I give myself unto prayer.
Psa_109:5 they have rewarded me evil for good, and hatred for my love.
---Trav on 8/17/13


jerry6593:

clearly, you didn't pay attention to what I wrote. I always point out that nowhere does the Bible say HOW LONG the Genesis 1 days were. The scriptures you quoted mention how many days, but NONE say how long the days were.

Now God Himself told you that He created in six literal days

God mentions "days". never "literal days" (as you say), or "24 hour days" (as warwick says). Why not take him at his word, and use "days" (in whatever context that means), rather than inserting your own pre-conceptions that are not in the scriptures?

They may have been 24 hours, but to ASSUME they MUST NECESSARILY HAVE BEEN is to read something between the lines that is not there.
---StrongAxe on 8/17/13


StrongAxe, Jesus, who was there says man was made at the beginning of creation but your nonBiblical philosophy has man made almost at the end of creation, about 6,000 years ago, c 6 million years after the beginning.

God's word does say the earth was created in 6 24hrs days-see Exodus 20:8-11. If the days of creation are not 24hr days then the Israelites 6 work days are likewise 24hrs. Are you claiming their days were millions of years each! Surely not as they would not yet have had even one Sabbath. What a mess your philosophies cause.
---Warwick on 8/17/13


Trav, again I say as usual your reasoning is wrong. The Scriptures which talk of two or three witnesses speak of human witnesses. If you misuse Scripture anyone who respects Scripture will know your error.

What you write is often meaningless, and irrelevant to the issue. And your words expose envy. I am not "chafed" at all.
---Warwick on 8/16/13


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Trav, as usual your reasoning is wrong. The Scriptures which talk of two or three witnesses speak of human witnesses.
---Warwick on 8/12/13

Prophets, Apostles, Jesus.... human witnesses of GOD. Sheep of Israel recognize them as such.
Your authority/testimony, is null scripturally.
What chafes u the most is when, carefully avoided scripture eats your theories,logic and supposed expert friends lunch. Loving the sound of your own logic over the prophets.
Joh_8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
Luk_16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
---Trav on 8/16/13


Cluny, the bad news began with Adam's sin precipitating the curse of death, disease and suffering upon all creation-Romans 8:22. corrupting even the soil-Genesis 3:17. The Gospel (Good News) first appears at Genesis 3:15. Without the bad news there can be no good news. Noahs flood also demonstrates sins universal consequences-the whole earth was destroyed, including plants, animals, and man. Sin does not simply affect man, but everything.

Scripture clearly says the wages of sin is death with Adam's sin being the foundational reason for why Jesus came to die and rise again. Throughout the NT when expounding upon the gospel the writers link it inextricably with Adams sin. If death already existed before Adam's sin then the NT is wrong.
---Warwick on 8/15/13


Axster: "It is not stated anywhere"

You are indeed slow to learn. I'm sure you've been shown this before, but here goes again.

Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: ....
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Now God Himself told you that He created in six literal days because you are to count the six days of work and rest the seventh. Do you really believe that He meant for you to count 6 thousand years of work before resting?



---jerry6593 on 8/15/13


Warwick:

You said: ...exact opposite of what the Creator says!

No, it doesn't. It is the opposite of how you interpret what the Creator says. There are several precedencts for a "day" not ALWAYS being 24 hours. One is "for the Lord, a thousand years is like a day" and vice versa - for most of the creation days, he was the ONLY one around. Plus there was Joshua's Long Day. So while YOU may happen to assume that the six creation days were 24 hours long, that is merely YOUR assumption. It is not stated anywhere, and I have asked you many times to show chapter and verse where it says so, but instead you keep giving arguments that assume it is implied - because it is NEVER STATED.
---StrongAxe on 8/14/13


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\\I believe Cluny holds a long-ages/evolutionary view of origins. This view places death before sin, the opposite of what Scripture says about the only foundation for the gospel.\\

Are you saying that animals didn't die before the fall of Adam and Eve?

The foundation of the Gospel is Jesus Christ, not an interpretation of the opening chapters of Genesis.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/14/13


StrongAxe, Jesus was there, and says man was made at the beginning of creation- I believe Him. He was not talking about creation week, but the creation we live in as per "the whole creation" Romans 8:22. Jesus said this about 4,000 years after the beginning of creation, c1.4 million days later. Six days in relation to 1.4 million days is 0.00042% which is, I believe, 4/10,000ths of 1% Only a pedant would quibble with Jesus calling this "at the beginning."

You say it doesnt matter if man was made 6 million years after the beginning of creation but this places mans creation at the very end of creation the exact opposite of what the Creator says!
---Warwick on 8/14/13


Perhaps the Biblical "kinds" would correspond with Linnean "families"--just my guess.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/13/13

That is my guess also, but I would like to hear different opinions
---francis on 8/14/13


StrongAxe, I believe Cluny holds a long-ages/evolutionary view of origins. This view places death before sin, the opposite of what Scripture says about the only foundation for the gospel. This nonBiblical view of the origin of sin and death undermines the only gospel.

When Jesus or the apostles spoke about salvation it was with an acceptance that the early chapters of Genesis were a sober historical account. You are a Biblically literate man and should know this.

As regards origins Jesus (who was there) says man was made at the beginning of this creation in which we live Mark 10:6-9. In fact He there says the real events of Genesis ch's 1 and 2 are the foundation for Christian marriage. Do you believe this?
---Warwick on 8/13/13


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Warwick:

Regardless of whether Man was created on hour 144 or on year 6 million, it still wasn't strictly "at the beginning", because there were either days or millenia before man. So clearly "beginning" doesn't mean "very first thing", just "relatively early (compared to now)". The only difference is how large the initial gap was. Jesus frequently used language, that if interpreted literally, would be contradictory (e.g. those who believed in him would never die - yet ALL Christians born before 1890 have died.)
---StrongAxe on 8/13/13


Housecats (Felis catus) and bobcats (Lynx rufus) will hybridize and produce fertile offspring, yet are not even in the same genus.

Perhaps the Biblical "kinds" would correspond with Linnean "families"--just my guess.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/13/13


Cluny as you know our salvation is in Jesus Christ, alone. He tells us "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

Jesus has also told us "But from the beginning of creation, God made them male and female." (Mark 10:6) * But some Christians reject His words claiming the world was already millions/billions of years old when man appeared. If they are right, then Jesus is wrong. And if he is wrong about this why should we believe He is right about our salvation?

* this verse and that which follows are quotes from Genesis 1:27 and 2:24 upon which Jesus bases the reality of Christian marriage. Does He base marriage upon something which never occurred, as written?
---Warwick on 8/13/13


Warwick:

Ultimately it is a salvation issue as long-ages/evolutionary views totally undermine the foundation for the gospel.

When Jesus spoke about salvation, he never mentioned cosmology, species origins, or other of choking-on-gnats issues legalists love to debate. He discussed sin, repentance, atonement, etc. THESE things determine the foundation of the gospel. All those other things are secondary.

Focusing on these other issues is like going to a feast, and instead of enjoying it, whining about what brand of salt is in the shakers.

And are contrary with what Jesus, our Creator, has said.

Where? Who inspired Moses to write Genesis? Father, Son, or Holy Spirit? Give scripture.
---StrongAxe on 8/13/13


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\\Cluny, this question calls for a lot of speculations from different points of view. Why did you post it? Does it have a point somewhere? I was looking for the point.
---Mark_V. on 8/13/13\\

Just getting opinions on something I've been pondering.

**Ultimately it is a salvation issue**

Is it?

** as long-ages/evolutionary views totally undermine the foundation for the gospel.**

Does it?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/13/13


I just spoke with a biologist friend who confirmed my thinking. The taxons on the blog question are somewhat arbitrary and the Biblical kind does not correspond with any of them. Nowhere near it. But it is irrelevant anyway because we, as Christians, should be content with what God's word says and ignore changing human beliefs.

God says He created all things living to reproduce after their own kind. And as anyone knows living things still reproduce after their own kind, the cat kind have cats, the dog kind have dogs and the human kind has humans. As always.

Ultimately it is a salvation issue as long-ages/evolutionary views totally undermine the foundation for the gospel. And are contrary with what Jesus, our Creator, has said.
---Warwick on 8/13/13


Cluny, this question calls for a lot of speculations from different points of view. Why did you post it? Does it have a point somewhere? I was looking for the point.
---Mark_V. on 8/13/13


I do not think the idea of whether Kinds is Kingdom, Phylum, Class, Order, Family, Genus, Species (with occasional sub- and super- levels) is a doctrinal issue much less a salvation issue


but My opinion is that Kind is family. Other have different opinion and reason why

I would rather hear some different opinion that what is now going on
---francis on 8/12/13


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good blog going bad
---francis on 8/12/13


Trav, as usual your reasoning is wrong. The Scriptures which talk of two or three witnesses speak of human witnesses. See Deuteronomy 17:6, Matthew 18:16, 2 Corinthians 13:1, and Revelation 11:32 Wow look at that Trav 4 Scriptural reference! I must he holier than you.

Gods word needs no fallible human witnesses as it speaks for itself with the Truth as its witness. Colossians 2:8 needs no human witness.

In calling some dogs mongrels you are calling yourself a mongrel. Even I would not go that far.
---Warwick on 8/12/13


Confusion arises when people attempt to impose worldly philosophies upon God's word-see Colossians 2:8. Happily such confusion disappears when we hold to God's word.
---Warwick on 8/11/13

While your lips smooze eloquently....the content is vaporous confusion, with never the two+ scriptural witnesses to support the little testi-ments.
By avoidance or blindness a more important testimony is shown. An accepted by me for what it is.

2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness, whose end shall be according to their works.
---Trav on 8/12/13


Preachers can be dogs and are frequently.
Christ called them Wolves. They can also be mixed Mongrel Wolves.
I agree they are a species of Dog. Most Wolves pack with their own, like many preachers having the same agenda. Eating the innocents. Scripturally and metaphorically Israel as "Sheep".

Isa_56:11 Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.

Mat_15:26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
---Trav on 8/11/13
---Trav on 8/12/13


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God created His creatures to reproduce after their own kind, as Genesis repeatedly says. And that is what we see today. And He created them with the ability for broad genetic variation as we can see. To describe the offspring of any of God's creatures as "mongrels" is worldly thinking, and an insult to our Creator God.

All dogs are both the one kind, and the one species as they can all breed with one another.

Confusion arises when people attempt to impose worldly philosophies upon God's word-see Colossians 2:8. Happily such confusion disappears when we hold to God's word.
---Warwick on 8/11/13


The other thing I would consider is the possibility of Noah taking all kinds into the ark.

very possible if Kinds refers to family, but if it refers to species: Oy vey
---francis on 8/11/13


......dogs have traits in common, but they are hardly the same species, now are they?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/10/13

Same species are classed. Even in scripture. Dogs crossed with others not in their line are "mongrels".
Preachers can be dogs and are frequently.
Isa_56:11 Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.

Mat_15:26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
---Trav on 8/11/13


I misread this as A cow is a KIND of raven

and much hilarity ensued (especially at the thought of flying cows, and the hazards to those below them)!
---StrongAxe on 8/10/13

Well then we must change the express from " when pigs fly" to " when cows fly"
---francis on 8/11/13


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Axey: "I misread this as A cow is a KIND of raven"

That's no more ridiculous than some of Crazy Uncle Charlie Darwin's "Just So Stories". One of my favorites is his revelation that bears evolved from whales because he once saw a bear swimming on the surface of a pond and eating bugs.


---jerry6593 on 8/11/13


Cluny I simply quoted the dictionary's definition of species.
---Josef on 8/10/13


francis:

You said: A crow is a KIND of raven

I misread this as A cow is a KIND of raven

and much hilarity ensued (especially at the thought of flying cows, and the hazards to those below them)!
---StrongAxe on 8/10/13


Family, is the answer
Animals in the same family can breed with each other
Lion and tiger
horse and donkey
( offspring may be sterile)

So a buffalo is a kind of cattle. and so is a sheep

Genesis 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

here is the thing
A buffalo and a sheep can be made to breed, but the offspring is sterile

Only a sheep and a sheep can breed to have viable offspring
so some may claim that the answer is species ( i have no issues with that)

Leviticus 11:15 Every raven after his kind,

A crow is a KIND of raven
---francis on 8/10/13


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Family, is the answer
---francis on 8/10/13


God creates according to his own will and design, not according to man's. These biological taxons are a man-made categorizing system. They have no relevance to God.
---Jed on 8/10/13


Cluny, I believe the taxons you have listed are an arbitrary system created to categorize creatures. And what is included in each classification changes periodically.

Genesis tells us plants and animals were created to reproduce after their own kind (e.g. Genesis 1:11-13) and that is what we still see today e.g.the dog kind produces only dogs. As all dogs can breed with one another they are therefore 1 kind and 1 species. Creation scientists have coined the term 'baramin' (bara-created and min-kind) which denotes a family of plants or animals which God says reproduce after their own kind.

Individuals within some kinds have lost the ability to breed so are therefore the same kind, but different species. This is not evolution.
---Warwick on 8/10/13


\\classified together because they have traits in common,"\\

Josef, cats and dogs have traits in common, but they are hardly the same species, now are they?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/10/13


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Cluny: Who cares? None of these man-made classifications rises to the level of the Creator's ability. Man invents millions of species - one for every bug it seems - just to make himself feel important.

Isa 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Why must you continually try to force God into a man-sized mold? One more time ... God did not use Evolution - or millions of years to create. He did it just as He said in Genesis. Deal with it!



---jerry6593 on 8/10/13


Is "biological taxons" the way to the Kingdom of God or the Lord Jesus Christ is?
---christan on 8/10/13


"Which of these corresponds to the Biblical "kinds" of Genesis 1-2?" Species. "A class or group of individual objects, people, animals, etc., of the same nature or character, or classified together because they have traits in common,"
---Josef on 8/9/13


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