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The Spirit Of Poverty

I have been searching (in vain) - via concordances - the term 'Spirit of Poverty' because someone I know uses this regularly when speaking to people who are discussing being short of money. He always says that they are possessed by this spirit. Is this scriptural, demonic or home made theology?

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Sister Rita, you may have heard the term Spirit Of Prophecy mentioned in Rev 19:10. Spirit Of Poverty is not scriptural ly

God is good all the time
---Jasper on 9/16/14


RitaH, I'm glad you are happier. God does work in mysterious ways. It's awesome to have a Church you love. They are so hard to find these days. There is always a reason things happen in our lives, always for the better.

God Bless.
---kathr4453 on 9/14/14


Thanks Kathr, yes I am in a good church and I believe that God chose it specially for me when I had to move house in a rather dramatic way some time ago. I've never been happier.
---Rita_H on 9/13/14


RitaH, I know, most charismatic churches are into prosperity teaching.

It sounds like this stuff is playing all over the world. There is if I remember a spirit of deception, and that is what they have.

We today have the riches that are in Christ Jesus, but you never hear them talk about that. Sounds like your in a good church.
---kathr4453 on 9/12/14


No Kathr I don't hear that from actual prosperity teachers but I hear it from people who attend charismatic churches - some of which are very similar to those in the prosperity movement. Quite a number of these people watch Christian T.V. which is saturated by people like the Copelands, Benny Hinn etc.

I attend a Baptist church in the U.K. where we have good scriptural teaching.
---Rita_H on 9/12/14




RitaH, it's homemade, and no doubt you hear this from Prosperity teachers. Only they use terms like this. Today most everyone is short of money, and will probably come up even shorter in years to come. But God will provide. Money is of this world and a worldly possession. It's more important to lay up treasures in Heaven and not here.

Jesus had no place to lay his head. And we see the Apostles did not live in McMansions driving BMW's. The whole concept is really false teaching.

Some people are not wise with money, and spend it on things they don't need, and then can't pay their bills. That is selfishness and self indulgence that can't be blamed on a spirit.
---kathr4453 on 9/12/14


1 Corinthians 13:3 - And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor,and though give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing,

( You can give a person clothes , housing , food , etc , That's good and all , but with out the gospel It's nothing, ( The word Charity - as I recall - in this verse has to do with bring the gospel ! ) all else is just temporary relief,
---RichardC on 9/11/14


Wow Jeanin "brings out many characteristics of evil like lust, envy, bitterness, anger, resentment, and often those in poverty rationalize their need for things they cannot buy through stealing and deceit," You must move in very different circles from mine. The poorest people I know are the most generous people on earth. The rich are 'often' the greedy ones who don't wish to share or help.

Some people 'see' spirits where none exist I feel and talking that way makes them feel 'spiritual and Godly' i.m.o.

The term Spirit of Poverty is never used by a poor person, it is always an accusation from a 'Christian' about another person.
---Rita_H on 9/11/14


There is no "spirit" of poverty as in some evil presence. Being in the spirit of poverty most likely means the mindset of the person living in that type of squalor. Being short of money and unable to meet daily needs is stressful, shameful, and brings out many characteristics of evil like lust, envy, bitterness, anger, resentment, and often those in poverty rationalize their need for things they cannot buy through stealing and deceit, too often poverty becomes a way of life rather than a temporary set back.
---JeaninBoston on 9/10/14


Rita,
The spirit of poverty is just one term most charismatics use. The spirit of lies, the spirit of pride, the spirit of hunger and so on. Many use those terms when talking to others. I was a charismatic once and heard many of those terms.
When people use the spirit of poverty it is almost like saying that all who are in poverty are been in poverty because of Satan.
But God brings many into this world and they wind up in poverty as soon as they are born. Some wind up rich and happy with a Bible in their hands while others are born in poverty never hearing the gospel. Nevertheless God is in Control of all things. Agape
---Luke on 9/5/14




Great points.

This get rich teaching seems more geared to making the pastor rich and fleecing the flock.


Jude 1:11

Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/3/14


I've heard such expressions in charismatic churches and it often leads to people beginning to doubt if they were truly saved. It has also resulted in some churches seeing a big 'walk-out' after being mocked by pastors not willing to be challenged or asked to show scriptures to prove why they say these things.
---Andreea on 9/3/14


God does not care about us having money or things{Ps.84 & 11)as long as they do not have us. we are living in a time where the gospel must not only be heard but seen in the Christian's life.Back in the day "The poorer,the holier worked"but not today. God help us to get more understanding of Your Word. Bless you Rita.
---Barbara on 8/31/14


amen, Lidia, amen
---shira4368 on 9/15/13


Hello,Shira4368 you are right about that! We are NOT going to be RICH cause we serve God. I think about christians for example in muslim countries, other places their lives at risk NO RICHES there! These radio & TV land preachers make it sound like a "fantasy game show" If you serve God you going to have tests, trials, you may be tested .. loose your home, your job even your family! Many on here a good example .
---Lidia4796 on 9/14/13


Catherine, you line up with all the prosperity preachers that are seen by millions via television. God is in the business of salvation and not things you want. it rains on the just and unjust. how to you explain the widows mite? she gave all she had. God is not going to make you rich just because you are a Christian
---shira4368 on 9/13/13


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No, it's not Scriptural! God wants His people to prosper as there soul prospers!
---catherine on 9/13/13


Darlene, I remember talking to you about. I was there in October. Im suppose to go back this November for a show. my daughter is getting a booth and Im bringing my jewelry and art. I hope I am able to go.
---shira4368 on 9/10/13


Shira thank you . No the rings were taken to a gold buyer/Pawn Shop in Temple the man said he got two ladies rings and a mans. That was the end of November,the man's was probably my Grandson's that was his Grandfather's ring he had given to my husband when the grandson was a year old, to give to him when he got old enough. Remember when you were in Texas I talked about the relative who has taken the wrong road,probably that one. I don't want to specify who it is. Take care of yourself.
---Darlene_1 on 9/10/13


Darlene, Im so sorry your house was robbed. I can't imagine that happening to me. I hope you can get your rings back.
---shira4368 on 9/9/13


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Mark V you're welcome. Amen to we are all in this together. Thank you for being always so kind and generous to me,I'm afraid all the work I can do is to pray. I thank God I can do that and remind those around how good God is,pray, and then agree when they say God did it. You really called it right I was robbed Thanksgiving last year,it had to be a relative who knew where I kept my rings and knew where the key in the house to the front bars was,since they got the key and broke it off in the bars lock after using a crowbar type tool to break in my front door. Only one couple wasn't there for Thanksgiving with us. It was them,I think,they were arrested for another robbery.Woman got 5 years probation,no contact with her children and parents,
---Darlene_1 on 9/9/13


Sister Darline, thank you so much for what you said and your love for me and others. There is just so much hate around here.
We are all in this together with the Lord.
Really together. keep the good work you are doing, even if there are many things going on around you. I'm here if you ever need me, I will do my best to help you in some way or another, peace and blessings to you and family.
---Mark_V. on 8/31/13


Mark V dear brother,you are welcome but it my privilege and blessing to be given by God you and the others on here you mentioned that I may pray for you and love you all. I cannot begin to tell you how humble and honored I feel to receive such a precious gift from you I feel close to you too,and telling me I remind you of your sister-in-law and you feel close to me the way you do her is so special. Thanks for the blessings and peace on my family. May God Bless you and yours also in every way. Love in Christ Darlene
---Darlene_1 on 8/30/13


Sis. Darline, again, thanks so much for your love for me and others and for all the prayers you and many others give to God. You are right, no genuine believer can be possessed by a demon or satan. That temple belongs to the Lord forever. When I think of you, I think of my sister in law in San Benito Texas. I feel close to you as I do to her, she is a wonderful caring person as you are. Peace and blessings to you and your family.
---Mark_V. on 8/29/13


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Rita H you're so welcome. I think some who do that forget they have to answer to God for every false word they give. Rita sometimes I wonder if people just don't fear God like they use to and you're right God's wrath will fall on those who are really in the flesh, What they do is like trying to come in the back door to salvation,when there is only one door for all of our walk with God and anything He calls us to do for Him,that door is Jesus. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 8/28/13


Darlene, thank you so much for your response to my question. That is exactly how it is, people trying to sound 'super spiritual' whilst, sadly, misleading others or causing some Christians to doubt their own salvation.

When we add our own doctrine we will bring down God's wrath upon us, I am sure of that.
---Rita_H on 8/28/13


Thanks Bro. Mark V I love you and all my CNet family too and feel a special bond between all you prayer warriors who are so faithful and care so much. Now to the Topic, Christians should never be taken in by that foolish doctrine which is quick to declare another Christian is demon possessed. The fact is the Holy Spirit/God will not dwell where there is a Demon/spirit and a Demon/spirit cannot dwell where the Holy Spirit/God does. It is a false doctrine which comes from people who are trying to appear as a very "Spiritual" person when in fact they better get concerned about their own salvation and service to God and let every one else do the same.
---Darlene_1 on 8/28/13


Sis. Lidia, I love you too as I love all the sisters who pray together and lift each other up. Many are going through a whole lot as I read on here. Some of us are getting older and things are starting to go bad in each one of us. Some struggling more then others. I am glad we have this post for each one to put up their needs. Blessings to you Darline, Mary, Shira, Trish, and so many others for posting. Peace I leave all of you.
---Mark_V. on 8/28/13


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All respect to you Bro.MarkV.. thankyou very much.

I have alot of respect for you also,you been thru alot, lost 1 st wife, and a wonderfull love story how you got the wonderfull wife you have now.

It is a great testimony not alot of people have that & you strive on here,everyday.
Bless you brother in Jesus name. Lidia4796
---Lidia4796 on 8/27/13


Thankyou, Grandma, I put you online prayerRoom a few days ago too! I am try now to get on Christian Mingle to connect with my friends... I put my profile name as CubanLidia
Since the machine kept kick me off ha!ha! As Lidia4796
Hey, I am trying still I want all my sisters to communicate.. it said "women look for guys" we not really looking but if they want to talk bible stuff,like here.ok! I hope it gets through .. we can communicate.
Love agape! For sure. Smiles!
---Lidia4796 on 8/25/13


Lydia, your story is indeed too sad. There are many homeless thru no fault of their own. You have many life experiences and God brought you as gold. You are gold for sure. You are special to me and others in your life.
---shira4368 on 8/25/13


To Grandma, actually being homeless, it's many years but it humble me alot.

all things work together for those who love the Lord, called according to his purpose.

Yes! I was kind "snooty" before moving,living inN.Y.C. I miss it so much, it changed my out look forever!
It took away my obcession with fancy clothes,fast cars, expensive things..
I feel much more comfortable. Thank God a roof over my head, basic needs met, I am gratefull. Ps.18:49,Ps.37:25,Ps.15:16,
---Lidia4796 on 8/25/13


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Sister Lidia, every story and every experience you tell us about you is very heart breaking. Your testimony is so amazing. It seems you have experience so many things others will never go through. I am sorry you have been dealt that hand, but it has made you so strong in the Lord. Many are suffering in life that we just never hear of. We should all thank God for everything we have. May the Lord Jesus Christ keep blessing you sister.
---Mark_V. on 8/25/13


Lidia: That story about your homelessness breaks my heart. Just goes to show people that blame the poor that sometimes it's not the fault of the poor person. I'm still praying for you.
---Grandma on 8/24/13


To Bro.Strongaxe, all respect to you,it very true your post, In N.Y.C. while working, I would give my husband $ pay the rent .... did NOT know he out playing the horses! daily,while I
worked 16 hr.days,nites he quit his job,never told me.

long story short,we end up homeless, I wash my clothes in a public restroom .

Nobody knew I was homeless at work till one day,my clothes didn't dry good.

My boss did not get angry but help me get into a safe shelter for women. I thank God never been homeless,again!

hard time find where to wash my hair,no phone, food was scarce..

---Lidia4796 on 8/24/13


I've never heard of the spirit of poverty. there is much misery in the world and with all the resources, no one should ever be hungry. many people feel hopeless and it has become a way of life. that is so sad.
---shira4368 on 8/19/13


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Rita, that was a very good answer you gave Jed. Peace sister.
---Mark_V. on 8/18/13


Jed, thanks for your response. The person to whom I refer is not a pastor but a Christian I know who attends a different type of church from the one I attend and some of their teaching is a little 'whacky'. He IS a Christian but would grow in faith better if he worshipped in a different place I think. That phrase comes from his church as do many others about "the spirit of......" There are some Christians who see evil spirits in absolutely everything and, whilst we should not ignore evil, I think we must be more careful about branding people as being possessed with spirits which possibly don't exist. We should also be careful not to 'add to scripture'.
---Rita_H on 8/18/13


Rita H, there is nothing wrong with keeping things that are important to you. And it sounds like those people in your church have good reason to hold on to their things. I think your pastor is making up things that are not biblical in order to criticize and control them.
---Jed on 8/17/13


Jed:

When people fall into pits, theose are frequently hard to climbe out of.

For example, if one becomes homeless, it becomes difficult to shower or do laundry, or even get a good night's sleep, which makes it difficult to appear presentable at a job interview. If one loses one's car (or the ability to insure it), it may be difficult to get a job that requires transportation - that would provide the money to rectify that situation. If one cannot afford one's phone bill, it's hard to apply for most jobs, because interviewers usually call you back if they want you. The list goes on and on.

While some people remain poor by choice, it can be unfair to characterize the majority of being in that situation.
---StrongAxe on 8/17/13


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Thanks for all these answers. Allow me to explain. This man was discussing a couple of families who would not discard anything from their homes (because these things might be needed in the future). He said this showed that they were possessed with the spirit of poverty by hanging on to possessions indifinitely. They claimed that they would not be able to replace these things later so did not want to part with them now.

I found that a sensible reason to keep things but he insisted it was the spirit of poverty within them making them feel that way.

I've heard him use that phrase on a few occasions but disagree with him. God expects us to be wise and handle things carefully I believe.
---Rita_H on 8/17/13


Hello,Sis.Rita, bless you,the 1st
time heard "the spirit of poverty" was a shock to me,met a woman she actually TOOK IT as "gospel" her own,she was a rich woman she quit her good job,sold her house,got rid of everything, a group of this "cult like" but ,she stayed honest,

she helped out at homeless shelters,but herself sleeping in the streets!
She would not even take herself to the doctor!

sadly she came up missing.. her body was never found.

Claim "what she called saving people" yes,she would talk about Jesus..

Now, I believe we can be Sincere but ALSO Sincerely wrong! Out of the WILL of God!
---Lidia4796 on 8/16/13


Is this scriptural, demonic or home made theology?
---Rita_H on 8/13/13
Home made garbage
---francis on 8/15/13


the "spirit of poverty" can be demonic in the sense that some people incorrectly view money as being evil and not as a tool.

However, in this situation it does present itself from the short decription to be from poor choices. However, God will allow incidents to negatively effect our monetary situation (car breakdown, house burndown, etc) but should not be regular so that we rely on Him more and not on our understanding.
---Scott1 on 8/15/13


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StrongAxe, I can agree with what you said about people becoming poor through circumstances they have little or no control over. But staying poor is a choice. Failure to act in order to change the circumstances, or to adapt their lifestyles to the circumstances, is the choice that causes people to remain in poverty. When I say people are poor because of choices they make, I do not mean that they directly caused every bad circumstance they have found themselves in, NOBODY is free of circumstances they didn't cause. It's the choices they make in those circumstances that I am talking about. People can temporarily find themselves in need of help by little fault of their own, but perpetual poverty is their fault.
---Jed on 8/15/13


Cluny, you gave a great answer when you said,
"And the way St. Paul learned how to deal with poverty (suffering need) is because the Lord allowed him to be in those positions."
Sometimes people are in a mess because God allowed them to be in a mess for a greater purpose or for God's glory. And since God is Spirit, you could say the Spirit of poverty in certain individuals is God. It all depends on who we are talking about. If it's the people in Africa in poverty it is sin that has caused much of the poverty. Sin from individuals or sin from the goverments, or sins of rebels who keep many in poverty. So to say the spirit of poverty is demonic is not correct. But people find ways of talking that are not correct.
---Mark_V. on 8/15/13


1 Cornthians 13:3 - And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burn , and have not charity , it profiteth me nothing.

( The Bible is a Spiritual book dealing with Spiritual things - as I recall the word here - Charity - has to do with bring the gospel, Salvation - No am not saying helping the poor is a bad thing - But if a person has housing - food - etc , But are Not saved are they not Still Poor ? )
---RICHARDC on 8/15/13


Philippians 4 12 I know both how to be abased, and I know how to abound: every where and in all things I am instructed both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need.

13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

And the way St. Paul learned how to deal with poverty (suffering need) is because the Lord allowed him to be in those positions.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/14/13


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The Savior said in so many words that He had nowhere to lay His head.


That was because He was a traveling evangelist by choice. This was a chosen lifestyle for Jesus.

Women and followers took care of His needs.

Again, because He was a traveling evangelist by choice. Even today's traveling evangelists have their needs taken care of by their host, though they are far from being poor.

After His life-giving and saving death, He was buried in a borrowed tomb.

Perhaps this was because He had foretold ahead of time that he would rise from the grave on the third day.
---Jed on 8/14/13


\\No, poverty is not a spirit. It's a chosen lifestyle that is achieved through poor choices, poor stewardship, and/or poor work ethic.
---Jed on 8/13/13\\

The Savior said in so many words that He had nowhere to lay His head. Women and followers took care of His needs. After His life-giving and saving death, He was buried in a borrowed tomb.

Was His voluntary poverty the result of His "poor choices, poor stewardship, and poor work ethic"? That's not what the Bible says.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/14/13


The spirit of poverty teaching is not of God (my opinion) based on personal experience and others! You are basically told'what sort of witness are you if you don't own a flash car etc...Jesus hung with the poor, was poor himself, to me its unbiblical and wrong! I even had non existing demons taken out of me for having the spirit of poverty,, dangerous!
---Theresa on 8/14/13


It's funny how all these so call religious teachers come up with some of the goofiest saying. And they push it off as gospel. Putting people against one another. That is not the Gospel of Jesus Christ, if they would just do what they say they are called for. Mark 16,15 no crap just the Gospel it sets people free.
---Bryan on 8/14/13


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Grandma
Yes poverty is a problem and the main reason is single parent homes, but why are there single parent homes. Unfortunatly, mostly due to horrible choices made by the parents, except for war and accidental death. Proverbs 13: 4, 8, 11, 14, 16, 18, 20, 22, 25 just in one chapter. Actually two married high school graduates with no futher education cut the chance of being in poverty in half.
---Scott1 on 8/14/13


In the Bible we find many a "Spirit of".
Spirit of:
God, Jacob, wisdom, jealousy, the LORD, Elijah, man, judgment, burning, deep sleep, heaviness, etc.

Based on that, if someone brings up such a thing as a Spirit of Poverty it is not surpising.

Yes, there are some people as Jed mentioned: Proverbs 19:15 "Slothfulness casteth into a deep sleep, and an idle soul shall suffer hunger."

There are however some who have been led, even forced into error:
Jeremiah 50:6 "My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray,..."
Psalms 14:4 "Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread, and call not upon the LORD."
---Nana on 8/14/13


Hi, Rita . . . just because an expression is not in a concordance, this does not make it automatically not Biblical.

There is a point to saying God wants us to prosper. I was in a religion which could have people worshiping poverty as a means to salvation. And ones could feel guilt about having marital enjoyment and material goods. But our Father "gives us richly all things to enjoy." (in 1 Timothy 6:17)

However, I can enjoy how others are blessed, though I have nothing, if I care for them as much as I care for myself (c:

A spirit of poverty would have it getting the better of me, not content.
---willie_c: on 8/14/13


Rita, Not true at all. Some people say so many things they make up. They have spirits for everything. If you cannot go to the bathroom for a couple of days, it is the spirit of constipation. They have a spirit for everything.
There is many evils spirits, most known is the spirit of the Antichrist which is already in the world.
---Mark_V. on 8/14/13


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Jed: 25% of American children live in poverty today. Many of them are in single parent homes, attending poor schools, not in the best neighborhoods. I'm sure they would disagree with you.
---Grandma on 8/13/13


Jed: "[Poverty] is a chosen lifestyle that is achieved through poor choices, poor stewardship, and/or poor work ethic."

Many times this is not true. Government policies, with the help of Satan, are forcing people to become poor. This is the agenda of Satan so that the soul of the people will be broken and, in turn, turn their backs on God for not providing for them. They will blame God. It will even be worse when the mark of the beast becomes a reality. Many christians will not survive and then turn their backs on God.
---Steveng on 8/13/13


No, poverty is not a spirit. It's a chosen lifestyle that is achieved through poor choices, poor stewardship, and/or poor work ethic.
---Jed on 8/13/13


This sounds like home made theology to me, or more likely superstition.

Actually, Jesus said, "Blessed are the poor in spirit."

St. Paul said, "Having food and raiment let us therewith be content."

I run "short of money," too, but God gets me through with what I actually need.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/13/13


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