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With the use of biometrics devises exploding around the world, do you feel that the mark of the beast is just around the corner? Is your faith strong enough to endure for 3-1/2 years to the end? How?

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"the power of God unto salvation to who? to every one that believeth. Hello? Who are those that believeth? The ones with faith. "

That is "Christan". You got your names mixed up, Mark.
---LindaH on 9/3/13


Markv, UNTO salvation. Please learn proper English. You being here for all your life as you say, you have no excuse not to know proper English and how English words work together and what each mean.

Stop changing the subject too. You claim some lighting bolt or some sign and wonder came out of the ears of some statue forcing you to believe.

You don't fool anyone MarkV. you just can't admit you were wrong, and now want to continue with your nonsense.
---kathr4453 on 9/3/13


Kathr, great passage,
"Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for "IT IS THE POWER"of God unto salvation to every one that believeth, to the Jew first, and also to the Greek."

the power of God unto salvation to who? to every one that believeth. Hello? Who are those that believeth? The ones with faith.
read (1 Thess. 1:4,5) it starts
"Knowing beloveth brethren your election by God" This are believers already "beloveth brethren", then says, "For our gospel did not come to you in word only, but also in power and the Holy Spirit" The Word of God came to them in power and the Holy Spirit, to whom, to those who believed, the beloveth brethren.
---Mark_V. on 9/3/13


Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for "IT IS THE POWER"of God unto salvation to every one that believeth, to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
---kathr4453 on 9/2/13


"For I will not dare to speak of any of those things which Christ hath not wrought by me, to make the Gentiles obedient, by word and deed...
Agree, all else was for that. But obedience and allegiance is all the same required of his own, 1 Chronicles 28:7_9.

Matthew 5:16 "Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven."
The light subdues darkness and shines over and on those living in darkness, lost in unbelief.
---Nana on 9/2/13




Romans 15:18-20

18 For I will not dare to speak of any of those things which Christ hath not wrought by me, to make the Gentiles obedient, by word and deed,

19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God, so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.,

20 Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation:

Like I said Markv, I've read the WHOLE Bible.

I have no more to say to you. The Lord rebuke you!
---kathr4453 on 9/2/13


Kathr, you say,
" Any good bible student knows that the early Church," The early church was made up of people who were believers already. The Word had already come to them in power and in the Holy Spirit, that's why they did miracles. Jesus bestowed the Holy Spirit on the Apostles while He was still with them (John 20:22). And in John 14:17) we are told the Holy Spirit was already dwelling among them.
In (1 Thess. 1:4,5) Paul was explaining to the elect that the word came to them in power and in the Holy Spirit with much assurance. He would not have said "to you in word only" if it comes to everyone the same. You deny the Truth again. Why? Read (Rom. 3:11) to get the answer.
---Mark_V. on 9/2/13


MArkv, go back and read Acts where Paul went into Thesselonicia and you will see EXACTLY what Paul meant by the Word and POWER. The POWER he referred to were the miracles that accompanied those at the beginning of the Church age. Yet you claim that that no longer exists today in the Church. Any good bible student knows that the early Church, before the NEW TESTAMENT was written was accompanied with POWER of the Holy Spirit in miracles. Those miracles were to authenticate the truth of the Gospel.

Anti-Christ will come one day with POWER of false signs and wonders. Don't be fooled. Many will be fooled.
Your charismatic roots has distorted your understanding.
---kathr4453 on 9/1/13


markv, you are a strong believer in what you believe but let me ask you one thing. do you think God made us to have choices? to study some things go very deep. Joshua 24:15 is one example.
---shira4368 on 9/1/13


Kathr, now you say,
"Markv,... No where in that verse does it say The word of God , ONLY WITH THE POWER of the Holy Spirit, ....because the Word of God is powerful enough"
If the Word is powerful enough, why doesn't it save all who hear it? Are you saying sinful man have power over God with their free wills? If you had power over God, you would be God.
There is nothing in (1 Thess. 1:4,5) that speaks of gifts, what it does say is, that when the word of God comes to you in power, it also comes to you in the Holy Spirit with much assurance. But you just don't get it. You have no understanding of spiritual things, (Rom. 3:11) "There is none who understand, there is none who seek after God"
---Mark_V. on 9/1/13




Markv, the Word of God is living and powerful and stronger than a two edge sword. No where in that verse does it say The word of God , ONLY WITH THE POWER of the Holy Spirit, ....because the Word of God is powerful enough. We are Born Again by the Word of God, so God wrote through Peter. The Word of God IS JESUS CHRIST. Yet you want to say He is powerless?

My words ARE SPIRIT and LIFE, So said Jesus.

You have so undermined the WORD of God continually it's not even funny.

John said they handled THE WORD OF LIFE. 1St John 1.

When the WORD came to them with POWER, it is referring to signs and wonders that accompanied the beginning church age.
---kathr4453 on 8/31/13


Markv, lying again, saying I had no faith.

So, you believe our faith is believing we are the elect? So your crazy Gospel says, faith is believing you are one of the elect?

MY FAITH IS IN JESUS CHRIST, and His death and resurrection. I don't have to believe anything about MYSELF except that I am a sinner Jesus died for. NOW that I am IN CHRIST, God has revealed to me I am a member of His Body, the ELECT CHURCH, where as at one time past, I was part of His Elect People, by physical birthright. I had no choice then, however I DO NOW. Because not all in Israel are in the ELECT CHURCH today. There will always be a remnant of us JEWS TODAY who will be part of the election of Grace who come THROUGH THE CROSS, not through pride.
---kathr4453 on 8/31/13


Steven, you asked, if our faith is strong enough to endure 3 1/2 years? Can you, since you asked the question, how strong must our faith be to endure 3 1/2 years? Is there some kind of gage to look at where a person can find out if they are there or not?
And why only 3 1/2 years? how about from now till the end?
---Mark_V. on 8/30/13


Kathr, I said,
"---- and if the word comes to him in power and the Holy Spirit, he will believe the gospel by faith and he will be saved. Mark_V. on 8/27/13"
I spoke the Truth and you reject it. I said that because.
"Knowing beloved brethren, your election by God. "For the gospel did not come to you in word only" which means that to some it comes only in word. "but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit with much assurance" Which means, the word comes to us in power and in the Holy Spirit with much assurance and will know we are one of the Elect of God.
(1 Thess. 1:4,5).
With you, the word came to you in word only with no power why? because you had no faith.
---MarkV. on 8/30/13


----the gospel Truth, and if the word comes to him in power and the Holy Spirit, he will believe the gospel by faith and he will be saved.
---Mark_V. on 8/27/13

Interesting, but when the apostles preached on the day of Pentecost, there were no "IF" AND's or BUT's about it, it DID come in the power of the Holy Spirit and man still rejected. Many RESISTED the Holy Spirit, as is recorded in Acts. We also see through out the OT, those prophets anointed by the Holy Spirit were also rejected.

Hebrews 6 also tell us of those who resisted the Holy Spirit. Yes the Holy Spirit CAN BE RESISTED.

No such thing as irresistible Grace. NO SCRIPTURE backs us such false claims.
---kathr4453 on 8/30/13


Markv, and what part OF THE CROSS HERE don't you understand?


Ephesians 2:14-18

14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us,

15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances, for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace,

16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father..

Like I said..THROUGH the Veil, that is to say HIS FLESH.
---kathr4453 on 8/30/13


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Kathr, you reject the Truth again.
Paul wrote to believing Gentiles:
"Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh who are called uncircumcision by what is called circumcision made in the flesh by hands-that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the
blood of Christ. For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken the middle wall of separation to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross"
---Mark_V. on 8/30/13


Char my dear sister in Christ thank you so very much for going to all that trouble to help me stay on the straight and narrow and lean not to man's understanding,I am grateful for it. I must say though Since I was a very young woman I have not taken man's word for the meaning of the Word of God. What I do take is the scriptures and study what they are saying but I always have sought God's meaning for God's Word. Thank you again I will be careful to adhere only to the Word of God and remember the Bible says I need no man to teach me for my teacher is the Holy Ghost as He is for every child of God who will let Him. Even so I love to receive the scriptures on any subject that I may learn them better. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 8/29/13


Marks, the two combined are ONE NEW MAN,the NEW CREATURE.

Then what you are saying is Mary was overpowered with Abraham's seed and not God's seed. Then we have the seed of David....what will you do with that SEED.

genesis 3:15....HER SEED, will crush the head of Satan...but Satan's head was CRUSHED the day Jesus died and Rose Again.

Unless a seed fall to the ground and die it abides alone, but when it dies, it brings forth fruit.

That FRUIT comes out of death.

You have NO UNDERSTANDING of truth. Your's is based on Mormon doctrine. Please know the difference. WE are NOT Israel. If the Messiah was promised to come through the Chinese, that would not make us CHINA or Chinese.
---kathr4453 on 8/29/13


Kathr, I understand the cross, and I understand why you are on line. That is why I thank God you are on line to oppose the Word of God so the Truth can come out.
According to the New Testament believing Jews and believing Gentiles are now one. The two combined are "Abrahams seed" (Gal. 3:29). This is the Israel of God (Gal. 6:15,16). The "mystery" has been accomplished by our Messiah's painful passion. When He died He demonlished the wall.
"For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation.. to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross" (Eph. 2:11-16).
---Mark_V. on 8/29/13


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Greetings sister Darlene,
I encourage you not to believe my words or any mans word. God [Elohyim] confirms/testifies only of His Word. Given by speaking it out (Isa55:11,45:23) and designed (each letter) by His own finger(Ex31:18,Dt 9:10) for accuracy when written - aleph to tav.Not to be tampered.(Mt15:1-6,23:16-23,Mk7:13)
Hebrew is concrete which means it can be understood by concrete things (function).

This is why we see words such as, tree, stone, vine,water etc...What we witness in words are the pictures that describe the journey of the nomadic lifestyle the Israelites walked through the wilderness- the desert. Each letter of the Words have pictographs that define them.

Continue'
Elect[bhr] stgs972 Isa42:1
---char on 8/28/13


Continued'

Greetings sister Darlene,

Elect[bhr] stgs972 Isa42:1
Hebrew thought is concrete (function) where the Western thought is abstract. This is no accident.(Babel Gen11:9)

Hebrew letter - a word.
Example:
Elect: Hebrew letters [bet-hhet-resh]

pictograph: [resh]head-[hhet]tent wall-[bet]tent floor

This could be understood by there function:
*[resh]Head meaning (top summit, first choice)
*[hhet]tent wall meaning (divide, outside, half, set apart)
*[bet]tent floor meaning (family, house, in)

Elohyim chose to 'set apart' His 'house', that His Word 'seed' would come through from within Him etc...

Continued'

He 'set apart' Israel
---char on 8/28/13


Markv, we are not PART of the seed. HIS SEED is in us.

Your doctrine here is false. Unless a seed fall to the ground and DIE....

So that is what happened to THE SEED. Christ, the SEED died, and then rose again. The NEW CREATION is not Israel, of the old world order or earthly flesh.

You still just don't understand what happened at the cross.

The CHURCH, HIS BODY is NOT Israel, past present or future. We are a NEW CREATION, no longer Jew or Gentile.
---kathr4453 on 8/28/13


Shira thank you for going to the trouble to look up the verse for me. Since surgery my pain level is such that I am limited in time I can do anything. Bro.Mark V thank you for all the scriptures I love seeing how the NT and OT entwine leading us from NT to OT and OT to the New Testament. It reminds me of how God through Jesus entwines us as different people but all one family in Christ. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 8/28/13


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sis. Darline 2, My point with the passages I gave you is to show that in the Old Testament the name Israel was not only given to one man Jacob, to to His descentants who became Israel. The same principle is revealed in the New Testament. Right after calling Jesus the Seed Paul tells the Gentile converts, "And if you are Christ, then you are Abraham seed" (Gal. 3:29). Thus in the New Testament that name Israel not only applies to the One Victorious Man, Jesus, the True Seed, but also to those who belong to Christ. Believers in Jesus are infused into the Seed, in other words, true Christians are part of God's spiritual Israel Jesus Christ. So the elect of Israel, and the true believers in Christ are part of Jesus Christ, the Seed.
---Mark_V. on 8/28/13


Sis. Darline, your correct.
God called Israel "My vine" (Psa. 80:8) Yet Jesus Christ declared "I Am the true vine" (John 15:1). God called the nation of Israel (My son, My firstborn") (Exo. 4:22) yet Paul later called our Messiah "The firstborn over all creation" (Col. 1:15). The prophet Isaiah clearly called Israel "the seed of Abraham" (Isaiah 41:8) Yet Paul wrote, "Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made." He does not say, "And to seeds, as of many, but as of one, " your Seed," who is Christ (Gal. 3:16) When Paul looked back at the nation of Israel, he saw them as inherently foreshadowing the coming Messiah, Jesus Christ the Seed, the perfect Israel.
---Mark_V. on 8/28/13


Thank you all for your input concerning God's Elect. It has really made me think and helped me understand better who is the Elect. To begin with God's Elect were the Jews/Israel who obeyed Him. Gentiles who accept Christ as Lord are also the Elect which makes perfect sense because in Romans it speaks of the Gentiles who serve Christ as grafted into Israel's place meant for Jews who obey God. Therefore those who turned from God were cast aside and those Gentiles who obey God through Christ are grafted into their place,therefore they become the Elect of God also.
---Darlene_1 on 8/27/13


//Isa_45:4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
---Trav on 8/27/13// ---Nice..

Eloyhim established it 'in stone' Ex 28

Is 43:1 "But now thus saith the Lord That created thee, O Jacob, and He that formed thee, O Israel, "Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name, thou art Mine."

Is 42:1 "Behold My Servant, Whom I uphold, Mine elect, in Whom My soul delighteth, I have put My spirit upon Him: He shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles."

Shalom
---char on 8/27/13


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The only problem you have is that you believe only Jews can be saved.
---Mark_V. on 8/27/13

Then your saying the Prophets and Apostles had the problem. As I only point to what they write.
If there were such a thing as "gentile"...i'd fit the term.

While the jews were offered first it is the divorced Northern House of ten that accepted.
Rom_11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written,.....
Zec_10:8 I will hiss for them, and gather them, for I have redeemed them: and they shall increase as they have increased.
Luk_1:68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel, for he hath visited and redeemed his people,
Luk_24:21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: ...
---Trav on 8/27/13


Hebraism:scattered/shadows/hidden
Israel: Elect Called "Mine"
Is 42:1,Is 43:1

Jeremiah 31(all)
3 "The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness...
(have I drawn thee.")

["No man can come to Me, except the Father Which hath sent Me...

(draw him:) and I will raise him up at the last day."Jn6(all)vs44]

Jer31:4 "Again I will build thee, and thou shalt be built, (O virgin of Israel): thou shalt again be adorned with thy tabrets, and shalt go forth in the dances of them that make merry."

Israel: "Turns the Head" of Elohyim
repentance unto remission

Shalom
---char on 8/27/13


Trav, only God knows who the elect are before they are saved. The elect are all those that were saved by Grace through faith in the Old Testament. And the elect are all those who are been saved by Grace through faith in the New Testament. The only problem you have is that you believe only Jews can be saved. Just like those in the Bible who opposed the Gentiles from receiving salvation.
"...I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal. Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. And if by grace, then it is no longer of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.." (Rom. 11:4-6)
---Mark_V. on 8/27/13


....show me the scripture about who is God's Elect I would be grateful." No one knows who the elect are....
---Mark_V. on 8/27/13

Not exactly so. GOD does. Apostles did. We can too.

Israel is the elect. Problem we face is most think that jews constitute all Israel. It is taught, I was taught this. Just because they say they are judah or Israel we buy it without proof or evidence. We should consider by scriptural mark and sign who is who.

Isa_45:4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
---Trav on 8/27/13


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Darlene, I will look it up tomorrow. I know what it says but don't remember were it is.
---shira4368 on 8/27/13


Shira, all who are born of God by God should know they are one of the elect of God. They don't become elect when they are born of God by God. The are born again by God because they are one of the elect.
"Knowing, beloved brethren, your election by God. For the gospel did not come to you in Word only, but also with power, and in the Holy Spirit and with much assurance." God's
Word doesn't say we become elect when we hear the gospel with power and the Holy Spirit. It says we should know our election by God. And you know it when you become saved. You see and hear the word and yet reject it, because if there is an election of God, your whole theory about the free will of man would have been wrong. And it is.
---Mark_V. on 8/27/13


Hi sis. Darline, you asked,
"If you or Mark V or anyone can show me the scripture about who is God's Elect I would be grateful." No one knows who the elect are before they are saved. They were chosen by God before the foundation of the world (Eph. 1:4). We preach the Gospel and sent missionaries because we don't know who they are. The elect are born condemned already just like all the others. When it is time for God to save one of them, He prepares the persons heart and guides that person to a place where he will spiritually hear the gospel Truth, and if the word comes to him in power and the Holy Spirit, he will believe the gospel by faith and he will be saved. The elect come from the Jews and also the Gentiles.
---Mark_V. on 8/27/13


Shira You are welcome. I know you knew that. If you or Mark V or anyone can show me the scripture about who is God's Elect I would be grateful. You see I have always considered the Jew's God's Elect since Christ actually came to save the Jews but they refused Him therefore the Gentiles were grafted in and thank God we were allowed to receive what the Jews wouldn't Jesus as Savior.
---Darlene_1 on 8/26/13


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Darlene, thanks for your post. I know Christ died for everyone's sin. God is no respector of persons. God does not have an elect. all who are born again are the "elect". markv still didn't tell me how he got saved. markv, do you honestly believe no one knows if they are saved or not? I can tell you I can take you to the place where the Lord saved me. I have no doubt whatsoever. I do not have to wait to know that I am saved. I know now.
---shira4368 on 8/26/13


Shira My view God predestined that His son would die for the sins of humankind making a way for humankind to accept God through His son without all the rituals,ordinances,etc which God had given the Jews. Jesus is the better way to God because every year Jews had to be forgiven but God made His Son a one time sacrifice for man's sins. It is then up to each person when they have heard the Gospel of Christ to either accept or reject the forgiveness of sins and follow Jesus. The parables of the seeds show us how it is with man. Some seed fell on good ground,put down roots and grew,some fell among tares,they were chocked by the cares of life and didn't grow,some fell on bad ground and didn't grow at all. Thats like man.
---Darlene_1 on 8/26/13


Shira, you keep asking the same questions over and over. I give you Scripture, and you keep denying it. Answer to question
1. God saved me while I was lost.
2. By reading the Word of God and believing it and not rejecting it.
3. Of course. If everyone was the same, He would save all, He is God after all.
4. Of course Not. Only the elect.
5. I'm on CN because I love to bring the Truth to those who have ears to hear.
6. Not true. All descendants of Adam are born fallen, even the elect. They need the gospel.
7. We have missionaries because the elect are all over the world and we do not know who they are. God is waiting patiently while they are been born until He collect the complete number of the elect.
---Mark_V. on 8/26/13


markv, how did you get saved? I'm still trying to figure you out. how do you arrive to the point where you think God chooses some and not others? do you actually think God thinks some are special and some are not? do you think God predestined all people to be saved? let me also ask you why are you on christianet? if people are already been chosen then there is no reason for you even to go to church or witness to someone. why do we have missionaries?
---shira4368 on 8/26/13


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I was hearing about this back in the 60's.
When SS numbers were introduced, this was supposedly the MotB.
---Cluny on 8/19/13

I'd add that they were not inserting these objects into their arms and foreheads either. One of the converted inventors believes they are MOB. The RFID's are inserted into the body as an information and tracking device in limited use now.
There is nothing unchristian being aware and warning the uninformed "Sheep" of a realistic possibility. Except to you it seems. Being all knowing we should run all warnings by your sarcastic wagging first for verification/authentication.

Mat_27:39 And they that passed by reviled him, wagging their heads,
---Trav on 8/26/13


The little horn is the Vatican. Read the history of how it came into power along side of Daniel. 1260 years of killing saints (3 1/2 "times")

They rule the world still by secret societies even though their DIRECT rule received a "deadly wound" which they survived in 1798. Secret rule is "diverse" from all other kingdoms/beasts before it.

Jesuits/ Freemasons/ Illuminati setting up the world to be controlled by ONE ruler just as it was with Nimrod.

God has chosen his King already. Any allegiance we swear to any king other than Christ is the mark of the beast. The number of the beast is the number of a MAN.

This world is much farther into the book of Revelation than we realize.
---Jasheradan on 8/26/13


Steven, I said,
"Mark_V." "I would have loved to meet with you." and all you could muster up was'

"Your words betray your thoughts."
Thanks for letting me know it is better for me never to meet you. There is nothing brotherly about you.
I thought there for a minute there was another side of you, then the one who I answer to here on line, but there is no other side. Most free willers speak the same language, you are no different.
---Mark_V. on 8/26/13


Mark_V." "I would have loved to meet with you."

Your words betray your thoughts.
---Steveng on 8/25/13


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Fitting biometric devices and other technological doohickeys into Revelation is a favorite party game of dispensationalists, second only to Pin the Horn on the Beast.

We are not called upon to fill in the blanks of our apocalyptic charts, but to "occupy", that is be faithful, until Christ returns.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/25/13


3 & half years: Please check Rev.13:5. This may not be the only place where it is mentioned.
---Adetunji on 8/23/13


Steven, I wanted to thank you for the invitation to Sourthern California. I do not drive much this days, so I don't drive to S. Cal anymore. If I have to go south as I have a few times to Westminster Theological Seminary in Escondido, I normally fly into San Diego. I would have loved to meet with you. Again, I thought you got your feelings hurt. As I see, you didn't, that is good. Peace
---Mark_V. on 8/23/13


\\My offer still stands: the next time you're in the Pasadena, CA area look me up.\\

Why?

In any case, I don't have a car and never leave the city.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/22/13


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Mark V and Cluny, you two assume way too much about who I am.

Offend me? Hogwash. Hurt my feelings? I'm beyond that. Fear? I have no fear of what man can do to me. I've been through a lot in my lifetime, a whole lot more than ten thousand people put together.

My offer still stands: the next time you're in the Pasadena, CA area look me up. Or if you know anyone in this area, I'll be more than glad to meet with them for the day.

Wish I could say more, but gotta go.
---Steveng on 8/22/13


It must be terrible to live with the kind of fear that Steveng is showing here.

God's got everything under control. If I die as a martyr before the Savior returns, this is not the worse thing that can happen to me.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/22/13


Steven 2: The persecution of Christians has been going on for thousands of years. Millions have died all through history. They are dying today all over the world. Concerning 3 1/2 years in end time prophecy I have not found in the Bible.
---Mark_V. on 8/22/13


The persecution of christians in Egypt, Syria, and Nigeria is growing beyond their borders
---Steveng on 8/21/13
So true, but are they using biometrics to do that?
---francis on 8/21/13


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Steven, I did not mean to offend you. I was thinking about how many believe the left behind movies or teachings. They are pre-trib teachings. I don't make fun or believe Scripture is a joke. In fact before I believe something to be true, I study it very carefully. I could not find anywhere in end times where 3 1/2 years is mentioned. So if I hurt your feelings, I am sorry. I sure don't want to do that. I do love you but you seem like you don't believe that either just because I disagree with you in many subjects. You are here for a purpose just like me.
---Mark_V. on 8/22/13


Go ahead, you so-called christians, scoff all you want. That is what you are doing. You are part of the prophesy which says "this has always happened."

The persecution of christians in Egypt, Syria, and Nigeria is growing beyond their borders and, like wildfire, will envelope the entire Earth. Soon, your comfort in your little corner of the world will turn into dispair. Your love will wax cold blaming God for what is happening in your life because of your weak faith.

Mark V, you still continue to spread rumors. I have not, nor ever will, read such books save the bible only. The instructions in the bible to a christian lifestyle is easy - to love. Something you have disregarded since your first post to me.
---Steveng on 8/21/13



Steven, there is no 3 1/2 years. You have been reading the left behind movies.

---Mark_V. on 8/21/13


I thought he was talking about the amount of time until that puppet of Satan, Barack Obama, is out of office?
---Jed on 8/21/13


Steven, there is no 3 1/2 years. You have been reading the left behind movies. If our faith comes from God, we will endure to the end, whatever comes first, the Second Coming, or our physical death.
---Mark_V. on 8/21/13


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people talk about the mark of the beast. be ye careful, for first you should receive the sign of God in your head

Revelation 22:4 And they shall see his face, and his name shall be in their foreheads.

Exodus 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it [is] a sign between me and you throughout your generations, that [ye] may know that I [am] the LORD that doth sanctify you
---francis on 8/20/13


Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall ...think to change times and laws:

The mark of the beast is the laws which the beast passed which are possessed to the laws of God. namely the laws that make Sunday the Lord's say.

It is received in two ways:
1: IN THE HEAD: because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

they are deceived to believe that Sunday is the Lord's say

2: IN THE HANDS: the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work,

Those who know in their head / mind that the 7th day is the Sabbath, yet with their hands they do work on the sabbath
---francis on 8/20/13


Did God even promise that this world will continue forever? But know for sure as Christ prophesied,

"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."
Matthew 24:35-39
---christan on 8/19/13


//Many of you who say that this has always happened are now part of endtime prophesy who scoff at end time//

No we do not scoff at end time events but choose to live life based on Jer. 29 and Thess. mindset of daily obedience and not see evil under every form of ID. Yes it will come and with the help of God we will be ready.
---Scott1 on 8/19/13


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---Steveng on 8/18/13
Look atw hat happened in christian history in 321 AD

Look at what happen in 364 AD in the history of Christainiyt: There ws no ID, No chip, no RF devices

Look at what happened in 70 AD
Look at what happened to the hebrews in 1933

Look at the amount on ethnic cleansing that has happened reently again NO ID, NO RF, NO chip required
---francis on 8/19/13


\\Open your eyes to what is happening in the world. No time in history has man been able to ID every person in the world until now using the computer and internet.\\

There were ways of giving everyone an individual ID even before computers and the internet that apocalyptoids were worrying about.

I was hearing about this back in the 60's.

When SS numbers were introduced, this was supposedly the MotB.

Some students are refusing to wear their campus ID cards for the same reason.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/19/13


Open your eyes to what is happening in the world. No time in history has man been able to ID every person in the world until now using the computer and internet.

The Mark of the Beast is a system that you cannot buy or sell without this mark. Buying and selling is a worldly function, not a spiritual function.

Many of you who say that this has always happened are now part of endtime prophesy who scoff at end time events saying earthquakes (for instance) has always happened.
---Steveng on 8/18/13


Hello,saw this..as a fact now when I go to the clinic, I have to place my eyes into a small camera, since I have half vision,they pose me a different way, very uncomfortable. It for indentification, sounds good to me.They know it's me not someone else!
Ps91:1
---Lidia4796 on 8/18/13


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And what about those who say that Jesus Christ was the archangel Michael? Interesting that these same people accuse some of lacking the spiritual understanding that they can bring forth the message that Christ was the archangel Michael when Scriptures explicitly says otherwise,

"Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind" Colossians 2:18.
---christan on 8/19/13


People raise alarms all the time.
Was not Y2K supposed to be the event to spark the entrance of the antichrist?
Was not 9/11 supposed to be the crash of the financial market and the open door to the antichrist?
Was not Obama supposed to be the antichrist?

The Bible is a spirit book, the sign of God ( the Sabbath) is a spirit sign Ezekiel 20:20
The mark of the beast is also a spiritual sign Daniel 7:25

If you are not spiritually aware, you will think that a tattoo or a microchip is the mark of the beast

Many thought that christ first coming was for a physical kingdom, the missed the spiritual aspect
---francis on 8/18/13


"These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world." John 16:33

"What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?" Romans 8:31
---christan on 8/17/13


"Is your faith strong enough to endure for 3-1/2 years to the end?" Yes. However it is not my faith, but rather The Faith of Jesus granted me to abide in as well as to exercise, in Christ Jesus. That faith is more than sufficient. How? Faithful is He that has called me. He will keep me.
Rev 14:12 >Rom 3:22>Gal 2:16>1Th 5:23,24>Th 3:3,13>1Cr 1:8>Phl 1:6>Jud 1:24
---Josef on 8/18/13


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\\Every generation sees the latest technology as the Mark of the Beast (tattoos, bar codes, RFID chips).
---StrongAxe on 8/17/13\\

When Social Security cards and numbers were introduced, some were claiming that THIS was the MotB.

Similar alarums were raised in Greece when a national ID was introduced recently.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/17/13


Bio what tricks? Gods' word is suffusion.
---Bryan on 8/17/13


I believe "biometrics" refer to such things as retinal and fingerprint scans.

They have NOTHING to do with the Mark of the Beast, though some spiritual Chickens Little think they do.

Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 8/17/13


willie_c:

Biometrics includes all kinds of ways of reading biological processes. Some are for diagnostic purposes (e.g. heart rate, blood pressure).

Others are for identification purposes (e.g. fingerprints, retina prints, DNA scanns). Identity theft is a major problem and many hope biometrics will reduce or eliminate it. Many such technologies have problems (e.g. film overlays for false fingerprints, pulling out someone's eyeballs to flash in front of scanners, as seen in Demolition Man and Minority Report, faking DNA in Gattaca, etc.)

Every generation sees the latest technology as the Mark of the Beast (tattoos, bar codes, RFID chips).
---StrongAxe on 8/17/13


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SIGN OF GOD

Exodus 31:16 keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath ... It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

MARK OF THE BEAST
Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, ...and think to change times and laws:

God deals with spiritual issues. the law is spiritual:Romans 7:14

biometrics devises not relevant to obedience of God's law

Hebrews 10:16 I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them,
---francis on 8/17/13


"Biometrics devices"? I thought that was for measuring things in a person to give the person a medical evaluation. So, what does medical measuring have to do with the mark of the beast?

Well, if it means implanting a thing like they do to identify pets . . . then already the pets have received the mark of the beast . . . from us who own them! That would make us the beast!!

You "might" be talking about something else. What do you mean, Steven, please? (c:
---willie_c: on 8/17/13


There's no such thing as a pre- or mid- tribulation rapture.

The question you should be asking yourself, steveng, is if your OWN faith is strong enough to endure to the end.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/17/13


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