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No Time In Eternity

I have been told by some Christians that there is no time as we know it in eternity. Could any bloggers direct me to the verses on which this is based.

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"The answer is simple, "anything without faith is sin" to God, and brings the wrath of God on them."
Mark_V. on 9/17/13

"And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three, but the greatest of these is charity."
Paul

Mark_V. is saying that hope and charity which Paul said is greater than faith are sin! Even worse, that they are sin to God!

-therese,

Most Bible translations render what is translated as "charity" in the King James as LOVE.

Love:

"Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind."
"Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."
(Luke 6:35)
---Nana on 9/18/13


theresa, your question was,
" So how do you explain those who do good and aren't saved"
The answer is simple, "anything without faith is sin" to God, and brings the wrath of God on them. Why? Because as the passage states in (Romans 1:19-22).
"Because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, "because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful,.."
---Mark_V. on 9/17/13


Thank you for all the comments on this. The most important thing about this is that we come to accept the salvation offered us and follow Gods way so that we will be there to find out what sort of time there will be in heaven and on the new earth.
---therese on 9/16/13


Mark V 9/16/13 Re your comment on no partiality. Comment on the other part, TO EVERYONE WHO WORKS WHAT IS GOOD. I can anticipate your answer- only those who are destined to be saved do good. So how do you explain those who do good and aren't saved. There are some who do good early in life but later become hideous criminals. Jesus said NOT EVERYONE WHO SAYS TO ME, LORD, LORD. You know the verse.
---therese on 9/16/13


theresa, since you got into the debate, I will answer the passage in (Romans 2:11),
"But glory, honor and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the jew first and also to the Greek. For there is no partiality with God" what this means is that God is not partial in whom He is going to save, Jew or Greek, both kinds are saved. It could be a rich or a poor. It is God's nature to be Just. God is right at this moment saving people from every nation.
---Mark_V. on 9/16/13




\\Shira, here again you say,
" I never ask for touchable things but things unseen like salvation for my family"\\

As C. S. Lewis pointed out in SCREWTAPE LETTERS, this prayer is JUST as crudely petitionary as asking for riches and worldly admiration.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/15/13


I notice this blog has gone off on a tangent. I will join the subject for I read this verse today right on this subject . predestination

Romans 2: 11 After describing what will happen to the saved and the unsaved, we read this

Glory, honour, and peace to ANYONE WHO WORKS WHAT IS GOOD TO THE JEW FIRST AND ALSO TO THE GREEK for there is NO PARTIALITY WITH GOD .

No Partiality, no favourites, none picked out to be lost or saved. How can you, MarkV and Christan say God chooses some to be saved and some to be lost.
---therese on 9/15/13


Shira, everyone has relatives not saved. And as Christians we go in prayer and ask God to change their hearts and save them, because we know only He can do that. Otherwise we would not go to God. When God wants a certain person saved, He will direct a Christian where that person will be, and the person will hear the word, be convicted of his sin against God and will ask for forgiveness. God the Holy Spirit never fails when He wants to save someone. God might not want to save a person we love today, but might save him later on, we just don't know. We could die, and much later God saves them. Some are saved at a young age, others when they are old. It is all the will of God, not the will of man, and we all know that when we are on our knees.
---Mark_V. on 9/15/13


markv, I do not ask for wordly things. God supplies my needs and a lot of my wants. I always ask God to convict my family of their sin. many need to be saved including my daughter, son in law and my granddaughter. I have prayed for healing. as a matter of fact, God has touched my body this past week. I am so very thankful for the the blessings God has bestowed upon me.
---shira4368 on 9/14/13


markv, my family will never be saved unless they hear the Word. my son in law brags about not going to church since he was 16. that is so sad to me. he actually brags about it. we witness so people can hear the Word and they are convicted of their sin. they can actually choose like my son in law. he has chosen not to go to church and not to raise his daughter in church. she knows nothing about God, Jesus and etc.
---shira4368 on 9/14/13




Shira, the point is, if you believe that your family has free will to choose Christ or not, then it does not depend on God, it depends on your family exercising their free wills. God cannot do anything. He is checkmated by man. Why pray to Him, when you believe He is unable to save them unless they let Him? If you are truely saved, which I believe you are, on your knees you know who has to act first. That is why you go to God. Because only He has the power to truly change a persons heart otherwise you would not pray for Him, that means you have no faith in God. You want to hold on that free will, but it is not helping you one bit.
---Mark_V. on 9/14/13


markv, we do have free will. as always, everything you say is out of context. free will has nothing to do with us asking God for "things". we can ask Him but that does not mean He gives to us.
---shira4368 on 9/13/13


Shira, here again you say,
" I never ask for touchable things but things unseen like salvation for my family" Who do you ask? It has got to be God, right? Yet you believe humans have a free will. That it is up to your family to exercise their own free will and choose Christ. You believe God cannot do nothing without permission from man. Why do you pray to God to save your family if it is not up to God but up to your family?
No matter how much someone hates to be told that it was God who made the decision to save someone, if a person is truely save, on their knees they know the truth when they pray and ask God to save their families.
---Mark_V. on 9/13/13


I can honestly say I don't want anything and don't need anything. God has given me everything. I never ask for touchable things but things unseen like salvation for my family. healing of marriage and make a difference in my grandchildren's life.
---shira4368 on 9/12/13


theresa, there is many things I also want, but when we get to heaven we won't desire those things anymore. Any temptation we get will be gone forever. There will be no tears or pain for not getting what we want.
---Mark_V. on 9/12/13


Oh no Mark V, I want to live in the country. I hope with all the earth to live on and eternity to do it we won't always be living in the city
---therese on 9/11/13


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theresa, in heaven no one will be counting time. There will be no time. Revelation tells us that the New Jerusalem will come down from heaven. This is the capital city of heaven, a place of perfect holiness, It comes down out of heaven, indicating it already existed, but it descends into the new heaven and the new earth from its place on high. This is the city where the saints will live (John 14:1-3).
---Mark_V. on 9/11/13


Christians look forward to living a life with no ending, so there must be some sort of time but with never ending time, who would be counting. Rev 21:1 says there is a new heavens and earth. If it was good enough for God to create and place Adam and Eve and in it to live a life without end, I believe it will be this earth that is made new. There was day and night for our earth when God created Adam and Eve so I can see no scripture that tells us that it will be otherwise in the new earth.
---therese on 9/10/13


Jerry, the words you speak about God come from your own heart. God did not make you sin when you talked about me, yet God knew you would. You accuse God for not loving His children, you just don't understand who His children are. The lost are not His children. God divided the children in (Gen. 3:15). You say God is a partner with Satan, that too comes from your own mouth. You speak of the love of God, but never mention God of justice. He ordered the slaughter of millions of Canaanites, Amorites, and other nations. He ordered the angel of death to kill all the first borns. Did He love the people He had slaughtered? You better read the Bible before you judge the God of the Bible. The god you preach is stepped on by sinful man just like you.
---Mark_V. on 9/10/13


Therese: You have exposed one of the most glaring fallacies in the predestination mindset - that God is a cruel monster who creates MOST of His CHILDREN for the sole purpose of torturing them. I'll bet Mark V loves his children (all of them) more than that.

Another fallacy is that it is God who causes us to sin, and we have no free will choice in the matter. Thus, God is made partner with Satan in our eternal death.




---jerry6593 on 9/10/13


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Blessed are those that rise at the first resurrection.
---Steveng on 9/3/13

Indeed.
Eze 37:11.. Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried,our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

Eze 37:12 ..prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

Eze 37:22 I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel, one king shall be king to them all:they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
Eze 37:28 the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel...
---Trav on 9/9/13


Mark V. We are told God is love in 1 John 4:8. Caring humans do not like to see any human or animal to suffer in fact Jesus said to love our enemies. Would a God of Love do differently and punish the unsaved for all eternity. Somewhat hypocritical if it is so. If you are happy to think a God of Love would do that, then I feel very sorry for you. You would appreciate Gods love so much more if you could believe this to be a horrible doctrine, not supported in the bible
---therese on 9/8/13


theresa, we know both the saved and unsaved will receive bodies prepared for their destiney. We also know the spirit of the save is with God when he dies. It never stops been with God. Eph. 2:4-7 we are told at the moment God made us spiritually alive, our spirit was connected together with Christ, "..raised us together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus" We are never once told that at the moment of our physical death, our spirit returns, or that it dies. The resurrection of the spirit of believers is forever. God can destroy our bodies, souls and spirits if He wants but He doesn't. In hell the unbeliever will have a body that will suffer. Dead people do not suffer.
---Mark_V. on 9/8/13


Yes Mark V the unsaved will be resurrected for judgment. The bible describes the bodies the saved will be given, but nowhere does it describe what sort of body the unsaved will be given. Revelation 20 says they suffer the 2nd death so it can hardly be an immortal one.
---therese on 9/8/13


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Samuel, you said,
"I Corinthians 15 teaches the resurrection of the just. Where does it say the wicked have the same bodies" Both the wicked and the just will be resurrected. Jesus said,
"Do not marvel at this for the hour is coming in which "all" who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth-those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation" (John 5:28,29). Daniel taught the same thing,
Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt." (Dan. 12:2).
---Mark_V. on 9/7/13


Paul believed and taught the resurrection from the dead. No where does he speak of an immortal soul that GOD cannot destroy. When I die I will close my eyes and then open them in the presence of the LORD. In my resurrected body so when I die I will be present with the LORD instantly as far as I am concerned.

In Luke the dead have bodies that can feel pain and need water. But it is taught that souls do not have bodies. So Luke does not teach immortal souls.

I Corinthians 15 teaches the resurrection of the just. Where does it say the wicked have the same bodies?
---Samuelbb7 on 9/6/13


JamesL: "ABSENT FROM THE BODY?"

Have you ever heard what Paul was referring to when he mentioned the BODY of Christ????




---jerry6593 on 9/6/13


Theresa, death has many meanings depending on the context. Though spiritual death is not mentioned, "dead in trespasses and sins" means a person is spiritually dead in sin yet physcially alive. When God says, "And you He made alive who were dead in trespasses and sins" it means He makes you spiritually alive to God. Eternal death only means the lost will receive another body prepared for their journey. To be punished forever. If he is dead, then there is no punishment, dead people do not feel anything. SDA's would have you believe there is no spiritual birth. And if you physically die, the spirit dies, which is false. When a person is spiritually alive, he is baptized into one body in Christ forever.
---Mark_V. on 9/6/13


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Mark V. I was referring to someone reading through the bible to see if it taught anything different to what they believed. "When you're dead, you're dead". I believe they would find the bible teaches your body decays but God will someday recreate that body to be given eternal life or eternal death. If eternal life is life forever why isn't eternal death a death that never ends, not a life of punishing.
---therese on 9/5/13


\\ Please show some clear texts to support your belief that when a person dies something conscious lives on. \\
---therese on 9/5/13

The absolute clearest is Luke 16:19-31, but you'll probably reject that, right?

To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. Wait a minute. Did Paul say ABSENT FROM THE BODY? I think he did. What trickery, right?


Your biggest issue here is that you fail to understand the distinction between the body and the spirit.

Another is that you don't understand the nature of a resurrected body, raised inperishable (1Cor 15:42)

Do you not know even the wicked will have this same type of body?
---James_L on 9/5/13


Theresa, you say,
"James L 9/3/13 "warped teaching". If a person who knows nothing of Christianity or the bible should read the bible from Genesis to revelation, they would equate death with returning to dust, not living on in some other form." Of course those who are not believers would believe that. To them death is death period. But death in the Bible has several meanings. There is death of the flesh, death of the spirit, and eternal death. And none of those three mean the same thing.
---Mark_V. on 9/5/13


JamesL: If a person were standing at ground zero of a nuclear explosion, would that person continue to exist afterward? YES or NO?




---jerry6593 on 9/5/13


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James L 9/3/13 "warped teaching". If a person who knows nothing of Christianity or the bible should read the bible from Genesis to revelation, they would equate death with returning to dust, not living on in some other form. The texts to support a complete non existence when one dies can be found in other blogs, eg. Does Satan Lie or Hell lake of fire. Please show some clear texts to support your belief that when a person dies something conscious lives on.
---therese on 9/5/13


Jerry,
alive and dead are opposites.

But neither is synonymous with existence or nonexistence

A steel ball bearing most assuredly exists, but you'll have a hard time convincing me that it's alive.

And a body in a casket is most assuredly dead, but you'll have a hard time convincing me that it stopped existing

That's pretty black and white, no?

You may as well claim that black is forward and white is backward.

Or maybe full is the same as up, while empty is the same as down.

death and life are opposites, for sure.

But life does not mean "exist"
Neither does death mean "cease to exist"
---James_L on 9/4/13


JamesL: "Dead doesn't mean "cease to exist" as you would falsely have others believe. Dead means useless as it relates to an intended purpose"

That sounds like a lot of people alive today! You attempt to define "dead" as meaning "alive". Doesn't that strike you as strange in any way? Death and life are opposite, incongruent concepts, as are black and white. Would you also have us believe that black is just another shade of white?




---jerry6593 on 9/4/13


Do not fear man for he can only destroy the body, but fear God for he can destroy the body and soul.

There will be two resurrections:

The first is when Jesus return when those dead in Christ shall rise first and the living shall be caught up with the dead and,

The second, at the end of the thousand reign of Christ when all the other dead shall rise and be judge from the Book of Life according to their works when they were living on earth.

Blessed are those that rise at the first resurrection.
---Steveng on 9/3/13


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\\ The wicked suffer death, the second death, the end of everything that makes up that person, physical, spiritual, emotional, mental, body, soul and spirit. \\
---therese on 9/2/13

You'll have an impossible time finding that warped teaching in scripture.

Part of the problem is that you've redefined "dead" to suit your own fancy.

Dead doesn't mean "cease to exist" as you would falsely have others believe. Dead means useless as it relates to an intended purpose

Dead battery = useless battery
Dead electrical circuit = useless electrical circuit
Dead body = useless body
Dead weight = useless weight

Would you care to explain just why you believe that dead means non-existent?
---James_L on 9/3/13


Therese: Thank you for your voice of reason. It is much more productive than deciding which end of a horse best describes Cluny (I know my choice.). Francis gave a scripture (Isa 66:23) which shows conclusively that time will be kept in the New Earth. But those who refuse to align their lives with God's 4th Commandment now, won't be able to then either.



---jerry6593 on 9/3/13


We do? Who's "we," Kemo Sabe?
---Cluny on 8/31/13

I think on this point i should call you SILVER and not Tonto
---francis on 9/1/13

I'm the front end. Which end are you, francis?
---Cluny on 9/2/13

I will remain Kemo Sabe if it is all the same to you, and let you have both ends silver
---francis on 9/2/13


Some have used a no time in eternity belief to soften the horror of an never ending punishing of the unsaved. Those who have that belief need to go a step forward and believe what the bible teaches about the unsaved. The wicked suffer death, the second death, the end of everything that makes up that person, physical, spiritual, emotional, mental, body, soul and spirit.
---therese on 9/2/13


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\\I think on this point i should call you SILVER and not Tonto
---francis on 9/1/13\\

I'm the front end. Which end are you, francis?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/2/13


Why quibble about tomorrow or what will happen in the new earth and new heavens when we have problems today to worry about.

Satan is working overtime, since he knows he only has a short time left, to bring division among people and christians especailly concerning things that are not important.

Now, I tell you, is it really important to your salvation if there is time in the soon to come new earth? An argument that is not winnable?

Work for today. Do an online KJV bible search for "one another," "each other," "comfort," and "encourag" to know what to do today to apply what you need to know to get to heaven.
---Steveng on 9/1/13


The fact you're SDA proves you do NOT understand the Bible.
---Cluny on 9/1/13
You have gotta be kidding
Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God:

You were an educator right?
educate us, which day of the week is the 7th?
Tell us, if you understand the bible so well, why is your 7th day ( Sabbath) on the first day Sunday?


Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Proving that in the new heaven we will have sabbath, again on the 7th day, and the moon
Day, week, month in the new earth

I think on this point i should call you SILVER and not Tonto
---francis on 9/1/13


\\---Cluny on 8/31/13
"We" Tonto are those who understand the bible\\

The fact you're SDA proves you do NOT understand the Bible.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/1/13


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Cluny you have missed a vital word which Francis has pointed out. The word is NEED. There is no need of sun or moon in the New Jerusalem because God is there. It doesn't say it is not there. Just no need of it. Have you thought too that this is just so in the New Jerusalem. What about the rest of the new earth.
---therese on 9/1/13


---Cluny on 8/31/13
"We" Tonto are those who understand the bible

You gave scripture that says there is NO NEED OF THE SUN IN THE HOLY CITY

Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it:

Does not mean that these is no sun or moon, means there is NO NEED and only IN THE CITY

But here we have moon and sun
Isaiah 30:26 Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold,

and weeks and months
Isaiah 66:23 from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another,

and again months
Rev 22:2 the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month:
---francis on 8/31/13


2 tim 3 7always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men of depraved mind, rejected in regard to the faith.
---Scott on 8/23/13

Amen. Throw the error of Balaam in for many and most churches encouraging by blindness and false preachers.

Salvagable is the opportunity some here make for reaching a discouraged sheep.
One never knows who is reading and not blogging.

Truth is truth and can be verified by scriptural witnesses. Not some of the insanity that is touted here without scripture.

Mat_15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
---Trav on 8/31/13


\\we know that in the new earth we will have sun, and moon, weeks and months. That ends the debate about time in eternity for those who believe the bible on this\\

We do? Who's "we," Kemo Sabe?

I've quoted scripture where there will be NO sun, moon, weeks, or months.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/31/13


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so back to the question:
we know that in the new earth we will have sun, and moon, weeks and months. That ends the debate about time in eternity for those who believe the bible on this.
---francis on 8/31/13


Whether one uses the King James Bible or other, one needs to look at the context, saying, I believe, the time for Jesus to return is when the 7th trumpet sounds. This time or delay is not speaking of time in eternity, just time before Jesus returns.
---therese on 8/31/13


Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end:... And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half,


Rev 10:5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever,... that there should be time no longer:... Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up,...

time, times, and an half were up, time to reveal what was shut up in Daniel
---francis on 8/31/13


Theresa, you stated one reason why I use the King james bible.
---shira4368 on 8/30/13


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Rev 10:6 Time will be no more. Time will come to an end. Cluny. 8/25/13 Some versions have delay instead of time and this is prophetic language and is associated with the sounding of the seventh trumpet , which seems to be speaking of the end of this particular series of prophetic messages (7 trumpets) and verse 7 says the mystery of God would be finished, I believe speaking of the second coming. There is no indication that time or delay is referring to eternity.
---therese on 8/29/13


The Bible says that time WILL come to an end.

Revelation 10:6
And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/25/13


---Cluny on 8/23/13
First of all the BIBLE say it not Francis

Isaiah 30:26 Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound.


I did not interpret it posted

how do you interpret it
---francis on 8/24/13


\\Isaiah 30:26 Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold,\\

Revelation describes the Lake of Fire as molten brimstone, i.e., sulphur. The melting point of sulphur is 235 degrees F.

Since the average temperature on earth is 70-80 degrees F with just one sun. seven suns would make an average temperature 7 times higher, or 490-560 degrees.

Therefore, heaven will be much hotter than hell--IF you interpret this verse in an earthly sense, as francis is doing.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/23/13


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2 tim 3 7always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men of depraved mind, rejected in regard to the faith. 9But they will not make further progress, for their folly will be obvious to all, just as Jannes's and Jambres's folly was also. Read the conflict of moses.
---Scott on 8/23/13


Isaiah 30:26 Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold,...


Revelation 22:5 And there shall be no night there, and they need no candle, neither light of the sun, for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

Bible also tells us that there is no NEED for the sun in the Holy City because of the light of the lamb of God

Revelation 21:23 AND THE CITY HAD NO NEED OF THE SUN, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
---francis on 8/23/13


\\God says we will have sun and moon in the new heavens and new earth.\\

God says in Rev 21:23 says otherwise.

Furthermore, one of the Psalms says that the moon will be no more.

Or are these verses in your Bible?
---Cluny on 8/22/13


Revelation 22:5 - And there shall be no Night there, and they need no candles, Neither Light of the Sun: for the Lord God giveth them light, and they shall reign for ever and ever.
---RICHARDC on 8/22/13


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---Cluny on 8/22/13
First of all, we are not talking about this presently fallen planet, we are talking about the new heavens and new earth. God says we will have sun and moon in the new heavens and new earth.

Second the sun by day and moonny night is not given in reference to the new earth, but as a reference to show that the sun rules the day nd the moon rules the night.

You have night and day, you have TIME.

In the new earth you have a sun and a moon, sabbath and new moon, you have TIME.
---francis on 8/22/13


\\Clnuy:

You wrote: that would mean that heaven is hotter than hell.

Phoenix is hotter than Detroit. Where would you rather live?
---StrongAxe on 8/22/13\\

My point is this is the silliness taking these scriptural passages as if they meant the same thing as on this presently fallen planet.

**Psalms 121:6 The sun shall not smite thee by day, nor the moon by night. **

Are you so confused that you think this verse is talking about the Age to Come?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/22/13


The bible says we will have sunlight, and moonlight

Psalms 121:6 The sun shall not smite thee by day, nor the moon by night.

Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights, the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night:

So we will have day and night

Isaiah 66:23 from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

We will have new moon and sabbaths so we will have months and weeks

day and night
Weeks and months is a measure of time

And ofcourse since those planets are in motion we will have years and years and years and years and years in eternity


Psalms 136:8 The sun to rule by day
---francis on 8/22/13


Clnuy:

You wrote: that would mean that heaven is hotter than hell.

Phoenix is hotter than Detroit. Where would you rather live?
---StrongAxe on 8/22/13


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Cluny - Amos 8:9 - I mess up on that One - Thank's for the correction - Need to always double check !
---RICHARDC on 8/22/13


Cluny on 8/21/13 - Back to Amos 8:9 - I had this written in notes from awhile back - That's why I wrote it down, having to do with Time - ( Amos 8:9 - Could be Symbolic at what happens at the end of time, Refer Matthew 27:51-53 - Bodies coming from the Graves, Earth quakes, Sun going dark, These are the same Events that happen at Judgment day, The celestial Clock is being Stop,
---RICHARDC on 8/22/13


Well, we have how this present earth and universe "shall not be remembered or come to mind," in Isaiah 65:17. So, the sun, by which we measure time, now, will not even be remembered then.

Also, we have how "with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." (in 2 Peter 3:8)

So, even if there is some sort of "time" in "eternity", this does not necessarily mean that God is paying attention to this.

While we are loving we may not notice how time goes by, and there are things we do not remember while someone has our loving attention!! (c:
---willie_c: on 8/22/13


that would mean that heaven is hotter than hell.

So try again.
---Cluny on 8/20/13

No need to try again

2 Thessalonians 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

Revelation 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

1 John 3:2 but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.

In our body which is like that of Jesus we will be able to look at the brightness and not be affected

now you can say glory to Jesus
---francis on 8/21/13


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\\Amos 8:9 - And it shall come to pass in that day, Saith the Lord God , That I will cause the sun to go down at noon,and I will darken the Earth in a clear day, \\

This was fulfilled at the Crucifixion of our Lord. In fact, it's the lesson read at the Sixth Royal Hour (corresponding to 12 noon) on Holy Friday.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/21/13


Genesis 1:5 - And God called the light day , and the darkness he called night, And the evening and the morning were the first day,

Amos 8:9 - And it shall come to pass in that day, Saith the Lord God , That I will cause the sun to go down at noon,and I will darken the Earth in a clear day,

REFER - Revelation 6:12 -13

Revelation 10:6 - And sware by him that liveth for ever end ever , who created heaven , and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer,
---RICHARDC on 8/20/13


\\Isaiah 30:26 Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days,....

Here we have sunlight, and moonlight so we have day and night\\

And if this were interpreted the way things work on earth, that would mean that heaven is hotter than hell.

In any case, Revelation 21, which you later quoted, makes it clear that there is neither sun nor moon in heaven (v 23).

It follows that the "months" in Rev 22 cannot possibly be how months work on a fallen earth.

So try again.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/20/13


Revelation 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month:

So again we see that in the new heavens and new earth, there will be months

so yes there will be time

Eternity as we think of it means no end to the new earth
This earth, or the things on this earth will pass away, things of the new earth will not pass away

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away, and there was no more sea.

---francis on 8/20/13


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Could any bloggers direct me to the verses on which this is based.
---therese on 8/19/13
There will be time in eternity

Isaiah 30:26 Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days,....

Here we have sunlight, and moonlight so we have day and night

Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Here we have weeks and months

So there will be time, and time, and time, and time, and tme and time in eternity
---francis on 8/20/13


The best and perfect description of the Lord (who's eternal) was given by Peter,

"But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." 2 Peter 3:8 - simply to mean, time cannot hold Him, that is, He's timeless which translates to eternal.

Whereas, we creatures made from dust are created in time, space and matter - which the Lord Almighty made from the beginning of the world which He created. Awesome, isn't He?
---christan on 8/19/13


It has to do with the meaning of "eternal" itself. The word means "outside of time."

This is the kind of life God Himself has--the life into which He wants to draw us.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/19/13


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