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Are There Two Witnesses

Are the Two Witnesses, from REVELATION 11, also Prophets of GOD?

Also read Verse REVELATION 11:6 for a clue.

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2 Cor 3:3 ..... but with the Spirit of the living God, not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
---francis on 9/4/13

Your own slant added scripture.
Written in heart of House of Israel....no where else are these found written in the heart.
---Trav on 9/5/13

Romans 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts,

And these gentiles cannot be Nth kingdom, since when the law was given there was ONE israel not a divided kingdom, both received the law AT THE SAME TIME
---francis on 9/5/13


were wrong about Jesus calling on the bible for a witness. ---barb on 9/5/13


If it is written in the bible, how can it be wrong?

Deut 31:24 And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book,..That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,
Take this book of the law, and put it IN THE SIDE of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations, and then shall the end come.
---francis on 9/5/13


All are writen in the heart of Christians
2 Cor 3:3 ..... but with the Spirit of the living God, not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
---francis on 9/4/13

Your own slant added scripture.
Written in heart of House of Israel....no where else are these found written in the heart.

Eze_18:31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed, make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

Heb_8:10...covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord,
............I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
---Trav on 9/5/13


Axey: "One can tie all of the Ten Commandments to one or other of these - EXCEPT the Sabbath law."

I'll bet you can't find any scriptural support for that assertion!

Christan is right. You offer no Scripture to back up your outlandish claims - only the word of Axey.

Eze 20:20 And hallow my sabbaths, and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God.





---jerry6593 on 9/5/13


Yes, Francis, I was wrong about the law that was put in the side of the ark. I had intended to go back and correct that mistake before I sent my post but I forgot. And you were wrong about Jesus calling on the bible for a witness. You nit pik other people's mistakes but never address your own.
---barb on 9/5/13




Gordon on 9/4/13
John 19:20 This title then read many of the Jews: for the place where Jesus was crucified was nigh to the city:

So based on my KJV and yours also, Golgotha was outside the city fo Jerusalem

Further more, the prophecy does not say that the two witnesses were killed in Jerusalem, It says spiritually sodom, and Egypt
A city that endorsed sodomy, and rejected God. That is not Jerusalem by any means
---francis on 9/4/13


---barb on 9/4/13
Deut 31:24 And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book,..That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,
Take this book of the law, and put it IN THE SIDE of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

This is a book in which Moses wrote the laws and the testimony in. They placed it n the SIDE of the ark

the Ten commandments went IN THE ARK

Deut 10:2 And I will write on the tables the words that were in the first tables which thou brakest, and thou shalt put them IN THE ARK.

How could you not know that
---francis on 9/4/13


"This makes discussing anything difficult, and ends up wasting the precious few blog posts we are allowed with useless cat-fights." StrongAxe

So, in other words according to you, anyone who challenges your opinions and understanding are deemed to be difficult, right? Maybe you would like to tell us who died and made you the final authority of what you say is right, always? That's because you want to give give the impression that you are.

And NEVER EVER have I seen you use Scriptures to support your claims to what you say.
---christan on 9/4/13


francis, Brother, you need to do a bit more research.

Golgotha is truly a part of the city of Jerusalem.

Golgotha is outside the eastern Wall, but that is still considered a part of the city of Jerusalem.

You have Internet access, so, will you take the time to research this, please?

Yahushua said that no Prophet would die outside of the city of Jerusalem and all that encompasses that area.

He meant what He said.

He Himself fulfilled what He said, as a Prophet Himself.

Yea, but, more than a Prophet, of course!
---Gordon on 9/4/13


Francis, the book that God was talking about was the Law (ten commandments). The only scriptures written at that time were the four books called The Law. The books of the Prophets were
not even in existance at that time. And the New Testament was not put together until many many years later.

Also it was to be a witness against Israel not for God, "that it might be there for a witness against thee. For, I know thy rebellion and thy stiff neck, behold while I am still alive with you this day, ye have been rebellious against the Lord, and how much more after my death?" It was Moses speaking to the people on God's behalf.
---barb on 9/4/13




Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Acts 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Can someone tell me why the emphasis on The word of God being preached every sabbath,
and the gentiles wanting to hear the word next sabbath, and the whole city coming next sabbath IF there are these so calls churches that meet on sunday?

What would you do if a group of people wanted to hear the word form you NEXT SABBATH?
---francis on 9/4/13


"The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:"

"For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things, That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well."

However, some things are best spelled out rather than alluded. Therefore Paul said, "Honour thy father and mother, (which is the first commandment with promise,)"."
---Nana on 9/4/13


--StrongAxe on 9/4/13
All ten commandments were spoken by God at the same time, all ten were written on the same table of stone, and not one single bible text isolated one from the other.

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

All are writen in the heart of Christians 2 Cor 3:3 written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God, not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
Again no isolation. So explain why you isolate the one that says God created from the rest of them?


---francis on 9/4/13


Francis, when did Jesus ever call on the bible to witness for Him?
---barb on 9/4/13

Deuteronomy 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.
---francis on 9/4/13


One can tie all of the Ten Commandments to one or other of these - EXCEPT the Sabbath law.
---StrongAxe on 9/4/
explain
why can't you tie keeping the sabbath to loving God?
It is the ONLY one of the ten that tells us who God is,and you cannot tie that to loving God?

Maybe you mean you will not
not cannot

Here is a place to start
Deuteronomy 11:1 Therefore thou shalt love the LORD thy God, and keep his charge, and his statutes, and his judgments, and his commandments, alway.

I see no exemption for any of the laws do you?
---francis on 9/4/13


Francis, when did Jesus ever call on the bible to witness for Him? John 5:31-47. He calls on John the Baptist, His works, His Father as His witnesses and then He tells us to search the scriptures because we "think" we have eternal life in them.

The two human witnesses will be proclaiming the Gospel of the Kingdom to all nations before the end of the age Matt 24:14. The Gospel of the Kingdom is the Words of Jesus Christ and no one else.

Jesus told His disciples "And you also shall bear witness because you have been with me from the beginning". John 15:27. John and Matthew have borne witness to the Truth by writing it all down for us. They were there to see and hear the Truth.
---barb on 9/4/13


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Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

This tells me that these two are not human, but rather symbolic of something else.
Best place to start looking for symbols is in the Sanctuary

Exodus 25:31 make a candlestick of pure gold: and...his bowls

Zechariah 4:2 behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl... And two olive trees by it,

Zechariah 4:5 Knowest thou not what these be? This is the word of the LORD

Zechariah 4:14 These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.
---francis on 9/4/13


francis:

You said: Either you believe that Jesus came to changed his laws, or that 10/10 of the ten commandments applied to Jews, and 9/10 to the rest of the world

Jesus said that ALL the Law and the Prophets are based on two basic laws: 1) Love God, and 2) Love you neighbor.

One can tie all of the Ten Commandments to one or other of these - EXCEPT the Sabbath law.

To see how much the SDAs talk about the Sabbath law, one would think that it's the most important of all the commandments!
---StrongAxe on 9/4/13


francis, Isaiah 56:3,6) was speaking to those who were under the law. When Jesus fulfilled the law, He fulfilled it for all those who believed in Him through faith. Since no one could keep the whole law, everyone was guilty. Now in Christ the law has been fulfilled for all those who believe. To you it has not been fulfilled since you are still under the law. If you were a believer in Christ, you would be speaking of the fulfillment of the law that Christ did for you. But you don't speak of Christ, you speak for the Law. Your problem is, that you already know about Jesus, but insist on the law to support your view on Saturday Sabbath. Otherwise you would not speak of the law but for Christ.
---Mark_V. on 9/4/13


"the Sabbath law only applied to the Jews"
--Mark_V. on 9/3/13

Then why does God Himself say that it was established at Creation and for all mankind?

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.




---jerry6593 on 9/4/13


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"On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."
"Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets."
"Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law."

No wonder Paul said, "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.."
---Nana on 9/4/13


And the REAL Jesus Christ fulfilled ALL of the law, therefore it has ALL passed away.
---Cluny on 9/3/13
Ephesians 6:2 Honour thy father and mother,
---francis on 9/3/13

Passed away to Israels heart. Those seeking rigtheousness honor their father and mother....

Heb_8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Isa_51:1 Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the LORD: look unto the rock whence ye are hewn, and to the hole of the pit whence ye are digged.
---Trav on 9/4/13


And the REAL Jesus Christ fulfilled ALL of the law, therefore it has ALL passed away.
---Cluny on 9/3/13

Matthew 3:13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.

Matthew 3:14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?

Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer [it to be so] now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

Does fulfil mean do away with, put and end to?

Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer [it to be so] now: for thus it becometh us to (do away with) all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
---francis on 9/3/13


When did fulfilling something start meaning it is done away with? The law has a purpose to define sin. To show we are sinners and so it is established by Grace.
NASB
Rom 3:31 Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law. Romans 7

Jam 2:9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors.

Romans 3:20 the law does not save. It only defines right and wrong. For the law is about love.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/3/13


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And the REAL Jesus Christ fulfilled ALL of the law, therefore it has ALL passed away.
---Cluny on 9/3/13
Ephesians 6:2 Honour thy father and mother,


Second, the Sabbath law only applied to the Jews
--Mark_V. on 9/3/13
You do not read your bible, all you seem to read is pamflets

Isaiah 56:3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people:

Isaiah 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant,
---francis on 9/3/13


Yes, the opinion of majority is that the witnessing ministry and miracles are like those of Moses and Elijah in Revelation 11:34.
---catherine on 9/3/13


---Gordon on 9/3/13
I showed you two OT passages (Exodus and Zechariah) with these same two witnessed, Not human being

---Cluny on 9/3/13
1: you do not have to write or speak that Jesus changed the law, You are excommuniated catholic, you keep sunday not sabbath.
2: Jesus NEVER said " until all the law" was fulfilled.
3: fufilled does not mean do away with

---StrongAxe on 9/2/13
Exodus 12:48 None jews can keep passover and be circumcised
Exodus 12:49 Same law for jews and non-jews
Isaiah 56: None jews who want to be part of the covenant to keep the sabbath, their sacrifices will be accepted by God

I need to ask you this: is strongaxe your family name or your screen name?
---francis on 9/3/13


Francis, The Two Witnesses, who shall be two human beings, will be SPEAKING the Words that GOD gives them personally to speak. They'll be GOD's mouth-pieces, just as Moses was GOD's mouth-piece (Moses was as "God", and Aaron was as the spokesman in Moses' stead).

Whatever GOD tells them Two to speak and say, that will they speak and say.

GOD's Holy Words, indeed.
---Gordon on 9/3/13


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\\your christ is the one who changed his sabbath from the 7th day to the first\\

Wrong again, francis. I never said this.

\\My Christ is the one who says that heaven and earth will pass away first before one single line in the law pass away\\

Actually, what the REAL Jesus Christ said is that not one stroke of the law shall pass away until all is fulfilled.

And the REAL Jesus Christ fulfilled ALL of the law, therefore it has ALL passed away.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
\\
---Cluny on 9/3/13


francis, i will answer again to you on your question to Strongaxe,
" Did Jesus change or do away with the law, or does the Sabbath only apply to Jews?"
Jesus did not do away with the law, because the law is condemning all those who do not believe in Jesus Christ works.
Second, the Sabbath law only applied to the Jews who were under the law. Believers in Christ are not under the law but under grace.
You know that already because you printed that before, yet you keep insisting for believers to be under the Old Covenant law. Why? Because, like the Jews you worship on Saturday Sabbath.
---Mark_V. on 9/3/13


---StrongAxe on 9/2/13
Either you believe that Jesus came to changed his laws, or that 10/10 of the ten commandments applied to Jews, and 9/10 to the rest of the world

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Psalms 89:34 My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.

Psalms 138:2 thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

So tell me exactly what you believe: Did Jesus change or do away with the law, or does the Sabbath only apply to Jews?
---francis on 9/2/13


francis:

Please show where Cluny has ever claimed that Jesus changed the sabbath from the 7th day to the first. I don't ever recall hearing him say that (and believe me, if he HAD said it, I would have noticed).

And remember, the Law was given from God to the Jews - a convenant sealed by circumcizing males on or after the 8th day after birth. It does not apply, as such, to anyone else. This does not mean that many of its principles (like forbidding murder and such) are not applicable, but the Law, as actually written by God on the stones and given by God to Moses, was given to the Jews.
---StrongAxe on 9/2/13


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We've figured that out a long time ago.
---Cluny on 9/2/13
Was your christ killed in Jerusalem also?
My Christ was killed at a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha:

your christ is the one who changed his sabbath from the 7th day to the first

My Christ is the one who says that heaven and earth will pass away first before one single line in the law pass away

My Christ is the one who did not come to change the law, your christ changes his always every time

yeah so maybe we are talking abot different christs here
---francis on 9/2/13


Cluny, I agree with your answers to 1Cliff, he quoted (John 3:13) out of context. At first I did the same thing. But the context was about Jesus telling them heavenly things, and then said
"No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, The Son of Man who is in heaven"
Jesus gave this words to contradict other religious systems claims to special revelation from God. Jesus insisted that no one has ascended to heaven in such a way as to return and talk about heavenly things as He did (2 Cor. 12:1-4. Only He had His permanent abode in heaven prior to His incarnation and therefore only He has the true knowledge regarding heavenly wisdon (Prov. 30:41).
---Mark_V. on 9/2/13


\\OK, well maybe you have a different Christ than me,\\

We've figured that out a long time ago.

There is the Christ believed in and preached by the Orthodox Church and most Christians.

And then there's the entity called "christ" by the SDA.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/2/13


Francis, I agree that Jesus was crucified outside the gates of Jerusalem at a place called Golgotha.
---barb on 9/2/13


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Shira: "jerry, do you believe revelations is a symbol?"

First of all, there is no "revelations". The book of "Revelation" (no s) was written by John from the revelation that Jesus gave him on Patmos. And yes, it is highly symbolic, and can't be understood without understanding the symbols. How would you understand it if you didn't know that:

Woman = Church
Waters = Peoples
Earth = Wilderness
Horns, Mountains = Kingdoms
White = Righteousness
Scarlet = Sin
Oil = Holy Spirit,

etc.



---jerry6593 on 9/2/13


My Lord was crucified in Jerusalem, the same place where the two witnessess will be killed.
---barb on 9/1/13
John 19:17 And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha:

OK, well maybe you have a different Christ than me, My Christ was not killed in Jerusalem, he was killed in Golgotha / same placed called calvary
---francis on 9/1/13


Francis, what does "spiritually" called Sodom and Egypt mean to you? Rev. 11:8 does not mention the Pope or France.

My Lord was crucified in Jerusalem, the same place where the two witnessess will be killed.

You say that the 2 witnessess are the old and new Testament. Are you saying that God called His Word back to Himself leaving the world in darkness? When did the bible return to Earth and how do we know the bible we have today is the same one that you say was recalled to Heaven?

---barb on 9/1/13


jerry, do you believe revelations is a symbol? why do you believe that? who do you think wrote the book of revelations?
---shira4368 on 9/1/13


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That event passed many years
ago, came with the age of enlightenment, when france removed all (G)gods,inprisened the Pope, stoped the spread of islam, and initiated a policy of open same partner relationship, which is contrary to our Lord .See Daniel 11:35-45

Revelation 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom {Genesis 19:5 Where [are] the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them} and Egypt{Exodus 5:2 And Pharaoh said, Who is the LORD,. I know not the LORD}, where also our Lord was crucified.




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---francis on 9/1/13


The event where the 2 witnesses give their prophecy has not happened yet. And the 1260 days are DAYS not years. Notice that they will lay in the street for 3 and a half DAYS before they (2 men) stand on their feet and ascend up to Heaven. When did the kindreds, tongues and nations see that happen? Rev. 11:9.

What happens right after that event? Earthquake, 2nd woe passes and third woe comes quickly, seventh angel sounds and the Kingdoms of the world become the Kingdoms of our Lord and His Christ, who shall reign forever and ever.
---barb on 9/1/13


Gordon: Yes indeed to all your questions. If the two witnesses are mere men in this prophecy, then how did they prophesy in sackcloth 1260 years. And yes, the entire book of Revelation is highly symbolic. That's why you don't understand it - because you don't understand the symbols.



---jerry6593 on 8/31/13


REVELATION 11 speaks of the Two Witnesses as two literal human beings
---Gordon on 8/30/13
It does speak of literal human being
Zechariah 4:6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD

The same thing is in Zechariah and the Bible says it is the word of the Lord, why would that very same symbol l be different in Revaluation and
Exodus?
---francis on 8/30/13


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---Gordon on 8/30/13
What you see in revelation of the two olive trees, and the candlesticks are symbols found first in the sanctuary to represent the word of God, and again in Zechariah to represnt the word of God, why would it be different in revelation?

Zechariah 4:5 Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.

Zechariah 4:6 This [is] the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.
---francis on 8/30/13


francis, One Verse with the word "lamp" in it does not always mean that every other Verse in the Bible with the word "lamp" or "candlestick" are all symbolic of the same thing.

If we went with your logic here, then we could say that everywhere in the Scriptures where the word 'day' is would mean "1,000 years", just because of the Verse that says

"...one day is with the LORD as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." (II PETER 3:8b). That's unrealistic.

REVELATION 11 speaks of the Two Witnesses as two literal human beings whom GOD grants powers over those who oppose them. There's no need to read it symbolically when it makes sense in the literal.
---Gordon on 8/30/13


Cluny, So you're assuming that Elijah continued to live after being swept up in a "whirlwind" contrary to Jesus statement that no one had entered heaven before Him!
God "took" him and he awaits resurrection just like all the rest of us!
---1st_cliff on 8/30/13


\\That's hoW God "Took him" It does not say "took him to heaven, or any other place for that matter!
---1st_cliff on 8/29/13\\

Re-read the story of the Assumption of Elijah in 2 Kings. Or are you claiming that the fiery chariot was just a fancy way of saying that God burned him up?

Furthermore, if you look up the geneology in Genesis 5, all the men mentioned by name died, EXCEPT for Enoch.

Why did it not simply say that Enoch died, if that's all that happened to him?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/29/13


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Cluny, Perhaps you're not familiar with Jesus' words "No one has ascended to heaven ,but He that came down from heaven" (Jesus)
Have you never read in the news that someone took his own life (or someone else's) That's hoW God "Took him" It does not say "took him to heaven, or any other place for that matter!
---1st_cliff on 8/29/13


This is just another repetition:

Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

Zech 4:2 And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon,

Zech 4:12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?

Exodus 25:31 make a candlestick of pure gold
Exodus 25:33 Three bowls... so in the six branches that come out of the candlestick

Psalms 119:105 Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
---francis on 8/29/13


jerry, The Two Witnesses of REVELATION 11 are the Old and New Testaments of the Bible, you say?

Okay, so, the Old and New Testaments are going to be shooting forth fire from their....mouths? to devour their enemies?

And, the Old and New Testaments are going to shut up the rain from heaven and will turn the waters into blood?

And their enemies will overcome them and....KILL THEM so that the...DEAD BODIES (?) of the Old and New Testaments will be lying in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 and 1/2 days?

And, then, finally, these Old and Testaments will rise up from the dead, while their enemies look on, and they will be raptured up into Heaven?

All this the Holy Bible is going to be doing on it's own accord???
---Gordon on 8/29/13


Zechariah 4:2 And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all [of] gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which [are] upon the top thereof:

Zechariah 4:12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What [be these] two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden [oil] out of themselves?

Exodus 25:31 And thou shalt make a candlestick [of] pure gold
Exodus 25:33 Three bowls made like unto almonds, ... so in the six branches that come out of the candlestick

How had can that be
We are talking here about THE WORD OF GOD. LAW and TESTIMONY,
---francis on 8/29/13


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The Two Witnesses are the Old and New Testaments. They prophesied in sackcloth 1260 years because they were banned by the RCC Papacy during her supremacy (538 AD to 1798 AD).




---jerry6593 on 8/29/13


How do olive trees or candlesticks prophesy?

And two olive trees plus two candlesticks equals four objects.

Think about it.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/28/13


And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall "prophesy" a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their "prophecy": and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

It's frivolous to try to name them. God didn't and why should you. Can't you be satified that these are the last two un-named prophets?

Also, for those who claim there are no new prophets today are the ones who shall celebrate their deaths because they do not conform to your worldly denominational doctrines.
---Steveng on 8/28/13


\\---Gordon on 8/28/13
Neither calvary nor golgotha is in jerusalem
---francis on 8/28/13\\

Calvary and Golgotha are two names for the same place.

And it's not Gordon's Calvary, either.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/28/13


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---Gordon on 8/28/13
Neither calvary nor golgotha is in jerusalem
---francis on 8/28/13


francis, REVELATION 11:8 says of the Two Witnesses, "And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of THE GREAT CITY, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, WHERE ALSO OUR LORD WAS CRUCIFIED." That great city is Jerusalem.

Yahushua was crucified outside the gates, but was still considered a part of Jerusalem. For LUKE 13,33b says "...for it cannot be that a Prophet perish out of Jerusalem."

For Yahushua was also a Prophet, as per LUKE 24:19b, "...Concerning Yahushua of Natsrat, which was a Prophet mighty in Deed and in Word..."

So Yahushua the greatest Prophet fulfilled Scripture by "not dying outside of Jerusalem".

And the Two Witnesses shall be killed in Jerusalem.
---Gordon on 8/28/13


---Gordon on 8/28/13
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

Zech 4:11 What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?

If these two witnesses were Elijah and Enoch, they would have shown up in the time of Zechariah

Prophets die, the word of God last forever and stand by God

May i ask in your theology, do these men die in Jerusalem, or Golgotha where our Lord was crucified?
What does your teaching say?
---francis on 8/28/13


francis, Being called "olive trees" and "candlesticks" does not mean they could not also be Prophets.

Cannot a full-time janitor also be a husband and a father?
---Gordon on 8/28/13


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Hebrews 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

What city is that?
---Nana on 8/28/13


Cluny, Re Enoch not dying. How does one explain Hebrews 11 where it lists many of the faithful including Enoch and in verse 13 says "These all died in faith not having received the promise..."?
---Simone on 8/28/13


Revelation 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Mark 15:22 And they bring him unto the place Golgotha, which is, being interpreted, The place of a skull

May i ask someone to review their theology, do these men die in Jerusalem, or Golgotha where our Lord was crucified?
What does your teaching say?
---francis on 8/27/13


++Cluny, **BTW They are the only two people in the bible who never died**
Totally ridiculous statement!
---1st_cliff on 8/27/13++

Are you saying there are MORE than two people in the Bible who never died?

Who else did not die?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/27/13


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---Gordon on 8/27/13
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

Zech 4:11 What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?

If these two witnesses were Elijah and Enoch, they would have shown up in the time of Zechariah

Exodus 25:6 Oil for the light, spices for anointing oil, and for sweet incense,

Psalms 119:105 Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

The word of God come in two parts: Matthew 7:12 the law and the prophets.

Rev 11: is prophesying about a time in History when the lord of God was preached and them forbidden in a city called Sodom and Egypt
---francis on 8/27/13


Cluny, **BTW They are the only two people in the bible who never died**
Totally ridiculous statement!
---1st_cliff on 8/27/13


---Gordon on 8/27/13
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

Zech 4:11 What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?

Zech 4:14 These are the TWO ANOINTED ONES, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.

Zechariah 4:6 This is the word of the LORD ( THE LAW AND THE TESTIMONY) which is a witness in the earth

John 5:39 Search the scriptures, and they are they which testify of me.
John 6:63 the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life
Matthew 24:14 gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations,
---francis on 8/27/13


If Enoch is the other . . . who says they both have to be prophets?
willie_c:

Jud_1:14 And (Enoch) also, the seventh from Adam, (prophesied of these), saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

That's what prophets do prophesize!
Peace
---TheSeg on 8/27/13


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Hmm . . . Elijah was a prophet. So, if Elijah is one of the two witnesses, then at least one of them is a prophet. If Enoch is the other . . . who says they both have to be prophets?

About them being ones who have not died . . . Melchizedek has not beginning or end of days. But if he were to be one of the witnesses who gets killed, then possibly this could mean his days ended.

But Jesus said Elijah already came and they did what they saw fit with him. So, the Bible can be used to say different things.

But God knows (c:
---willie_c: on 8/27/13


francis, What in the world....? lol.

How do those Verses you just recently quoted indicate that the Two Witnesses are "definitely not Prophets"??

Someone called by GOD Almighty CAN also be dubbed other "nick-names" (like "olive tree", "candle-stick", etc.) as well as just being called a plain ol' Prophet.

Those Verses you quoted do not, in any way, negate that the Witnesses could be Prophets.
---Gordon on 8/27/13


It says they "will prophesy", in Revelation 11:3. So, this can mean they are prophets . . . who are "witnesses" > it seems that, in the early scripture prophets, God made them witnesses, by means of visions.
---willie_c: on 8/26/13


Zechariah 4:11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?

Zechariah 4:12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?

Revelation 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

These cannot be Enoch and Elijah, because these two olive trees were there in the days of Zechariah an Enoch and Elijah never showed up in those day
---francis on 8/26/13


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"They are Elijah and Enoch, btw. They are the only two people in the Bible who never died. Cluny on 8/25/13" Agreed.
Are they "also Prophets of GOD? Your question is indeed answered in the chapter that you quoted. Verse 3. Those who prophesy, can be justifiably referred to as prophets.
---joseph on 8/25/13


NO these are not prophets

Revelation 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

Zechariah 4:3 And two olive trees by it, ... So I answered and spake ... What are these, my lord?

Zechariah 4:5 Then the angel ... answered and said... This is the word of the LORD

Zechariah 4:12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?

Zechariah 4:13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.

Zechariah 4:14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.
---francis on 8/26/13


Are you asking a question or are you making a statement?

They are Elijah and Enoch, btw. They are the only two people in the Bible who never died.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/25/13


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