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What Happens At Death

There is much discussion and disagreement on Christian blogs regarding what happens at death. Does a part of humans that can think, love, praise, go somewhere at death of the body, or is death like a sleep until Jesus returns. Could bloggers give a list of the scriptures to support either view.

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"The story Jesus told in Luke 12 is not a very good foundation for a doctrine that contradicts many other part of the Bible.
- therese


Scripture does not contradict Scripture whatsoever! What it does is contradict the way you think. If anything, Scripture confirms Scripture.

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"God did not force Lucifer out of heaven. he had free will to rebel and that is exactly what he did...rebel. no place in heaven for rebellion.
- shira4368"


Where did you get this idea from? Didn't God explicitly declared, "The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil." He just creates them for the purpose of evil, period. Awesome, isn't it?
---christan on 9/20/13


Dr. Fudge in his book The Fire that Consumes and others have pointed out no where is the soul called immortal.

The Spirit which is who we are returns to GOD.
Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.


Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/19/13


God did not force Lucifer out of heaven. he had free will to rebel and that is exactly what he did...rebel. no place in heaven for rebellion.
---shira4368 on 9/19/13


The opinion of what happens when one dies depends on ones definition of SOUL or SPIRIT, which we should get from Gods word.

The bible says much about death being the cessation of anything we can do while living in that body but almost no detail is given about the makeup on anything that lives on be it soul or spirit. Surely if the soul or the spirit lives on and is more important than the physical body, there would be more detail about that.

The bible speaks of the dead waiting for the resurrection of the body and nothing associated with those verses tells us we live on in some form.

The story Jesus told in Luke 12 is not a very good foundation for a doctrine that contradicts many other part of the Bible.
---therese on 9/19/13


1cliff, it is a mystery to you how someone can choose to sin, and how God had decreed they would. When someone sins, God only permits him to go so far as He proposed he would. What you also forget is that God is not in time. What He planned is complete already before Him. Nothing relating to the future is in anyway uncertain so far as the actualization of God's counsels are concerned. None of His decrees are left contingent either on creatures or secondary causes. There is no future event which is only a mere possibility, that is, something which may or may not come to pass, "Known unto God are all His works from the beginning" (Acts 15:18). We are seeing the unfolding of the Plan He created before time begin.
---Mark_V. on 9/20/13




Mark V, **You are free to choose to disobey God alright**
A direct contradiction to your "predestination" theory!
---1st_cliff on 9/19/13


---trey on 9/14/13
Comment on your verses.
Gen 35.18 - Yes soul here could be interpreted as something that leaves the body at death. But on where it goes the bible is silent. But remember SOUL in the OT can most often be interpreted as person or life.

Ac 9:39 "While she was with them" When she was alive.

Ecc 3:21 This is a question? The answer is given in verses 19,20. Animals and man have the same breath or spirit.

1 Thes 4:14 "bring with him" context indicates from the grave.

Rev 6:9 - Just read it for what it says. Could this be symbolic after all Rev 14 has all the saved in heaven, on the sea of glass.

Luke 16:22 Is this the soul which has fingers and tongue.
---therese on 9/19/13


1Cliff, you are not autonomous. Only God is autonomous "self Law" a law unto Himself. He is the Law. If you were autonomous your law would be equal to God's. You would not have to answer to His Law. Your sarcasim comes from a lack of understanding. Because in the end you will pay for the actions you take.
You are free to choose to disobey God alright, the reason you will suffer for doing it.
---Mark_V. on 9/19/13


1stCliff, you hear yourself talking? You say the "The rich man dies and was "buried" and lifted up his eyes and "saw"...through tons of earth with x-ray vision??? This is star war stuff!"

Again, this is what Christ said, "And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried, And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom."

You may think you're calling me a liar but in actual fact you are saying YOU DO NOT BELIEVE WHAT JESUS CHRIST spoke! Did I give you any translation or interpretation to the verse above? I gave you none!
---christan on 9/19/13


Cliff: You left out poor Lucifer. He was just a good, loving angel until God forced him to be Satan, the very essence of evil.

What rot!




---jerry6593 on 9/19/13




ok cliff. guess I'm just a little dense. lol. thanks for getting me straight.
---shira4368 on 9/19/13


Shira, If you re read my post you'll see that it is sarcasm meant for the "predestined" I'm a free willer like you!
---1st_cliff on 9/18/13


cliff, I don't know bout you but whatever you said us free willers are, I ain't that. you can be a robot but I choose to be free to make decisions like where I go to church, who my friends are and I chose to listen to God's man preach salvation to me and I was saved by the Blood of the Lamb.
---shira4368 on 9/18/13


Mark V, **To have free will is to be autonomous and none of us are **
Alas , we are all robots!
Poor Adam, he couldn't help it!
Sad that Hitler, PolPot, Nero , Herod, Hirohito ,murderers. rapists , thieves atheists etc have no choice but to follow pre-programmed lives!
---1st_cliff on 9/18/13


theresa, everything in the Bible sounds like free will to you, just like it does to everyone else, yet no one has give a passage where God tells us He gave man a will that is free. Not a one. But all of the free willers see free will everywhere. But it is because they don't understand the definition of free will. Here let me help you,
"Freedom of humans to make choices "that are not determined by prior causes or by Divine intervention" Now when you read a passage use the definition, and you will find out that everytime man makes a choice it always has a cause, motive or a desire. No no one makes spantanious choices. To have free will is to be autonomous, and none of us are.
---Mark_V. on 9/18/13


Christian, My proof is scripture.
Your proof is a "parable"???

The rich man dies and was "buried" and lifted up his eyes and "saw"...through tons of earth with x-ray vision??? This is star war stuff!
---1st_cliff on 9/18/13


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"So now he was Adam the dead soul! (not rocket science)" 1stCliff

"And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried, And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom." Luke 16:22,23

Jesus doesn't seem to confirm your "rocket science" theory one bit. So, sorry but Jesus says you speak nonsense and know not what you are speaking about. You speak with no Scriptural support to your foolish understand.
---christan on 9/17/13


Mark V 9/17/13 Man is a personal being with the power to think, feel and descide and most of all the ability to make moral choices because of his spirit.

Mark this sounds a bit like free will which you don't believe we have.
---therese on 9/17/13


\\God is essentially Spirit (John 4:24),\\

I thought God was spirit, PERIOD.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/17/13


Christian, Let me put this in a more simple terms,
When God breathed into Adam's nostrils ,the "Breath" of life he "became" a "living soul" (right so far?)
Scripture says Adam lived 930 years and then he (Adam the living soul)died!
So now he was Adam the dead soul! (not rocket science)

There isn't even a hint of the fundamentalist Adam's death was separation from God, no hint of "spiritual" death, Scripture is plain "He LIVED 930 years and then (at that time) he DIED! Too simple???
---1st_cliff on 9/17/13


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1 Cliff, what Christan said is very true concerning what God said. In Genesis 1:27) where it states "man became a living soul" here the word soul is translated "a living being" meaning life. But Adam also had a Spirit for (Gen. 1:26,27) "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness" God is essentially Spirit (John 4:24), Therefore, man, who is similar to God, possesses an immortal spirit. Man resembles God in many respects (Gen. 1:26) without being equal with Him (Isa.40:25). Man's likeness to God is what distinguishes him from the rest of creation. Man is a personal being with the power to think, feel and descide and most of all the ability to make moral choices because of his spirit.
---Mark_V. on 9/17/13


1stCliff, did I even say I knew everything or is it your imagination?

Back to your question, with a question: at what point did Adam "became a LIVING SOUL"? Was it at the point when God was "moulding" him from dust or when God "breathed into his nostrils the breath of life"?

Now, who's God? Is He flesh and blood like us? Or is He Spirit? Can you see God or better still, has anyone seen God and lived? So then, can you see the man's soul and spirit? Well, I can see it manifesting in the flesh that God made out of dust but see his soul and spirit, I can't. But I'll tell you it's there and that's because the Word says so.
---christan on 9/16/13


\\THE PHYSICAL BODY ANIMATED BY GODS BREATH IS A SOUL.\\

So, the souls that St. John saw under the altar who had been killed were living animated physical bodies? Revelation 6:9

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/16/13


Humans dont have a soul. According to you then the bible is a lie.
Christan, 9/16/13

Maybe I should have worded that differently like
THE PHYSICAL BODY ANIMATED BY GODS BREATH IS A SOUL.

Some comments on Jesus use of the word SOUL as in Matthew 16:26 LOSE ONES SOUL. It seems to me Jesus used the word Soul to indicate ones ultimate state, saved or unsaved. None of His comments indicates to me something that has life separately to the body, after all we will have a glorified body in eternity. And Pauls use of the word indicates the same thing to me.
---therese on 9/16/13


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This is speaking of the human body, 1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body,it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body and there is a spiritual body. There also is a scripture which says that the spirit of life goes back to God who gave it.
---Darlene_1 on 9/16/13


Christian, Since you claim to know everything, explain what scripture means "Adam BECAME a living soul" Not "was given" not Had one" but WAS ONE!
---1st_cliff on 9/16/13


\\Just cant understand why we need a body if we can live as a soul, and couldnt God give us a new body to unite with our soul as soon as we die.
---therese on 9/15/13
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therese, do we really understand WHY we need a body and soul--or body, soul, and spirit?

God made us this way, and this is sufficient for me.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/16/13


"Humans don't have a soul, they are a whole living person, the physical body animated by God's breath, a soul." therese

We don't? Funny why then did Paul write: "And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly, and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." 1 Thessalonians 5:23

Why does Bible even say, "If a soul sin, and commit a trespass against the Lord... Behold, all souls are mine, as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die."

And you say humans don't have a soul? According to you then the Bible is a lie.
---christan on 9/16/13


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Christan 9/15/13 it's in God's creation that He created man tripartite (body, soul and spirit -

Genesis 2:7 describes it like this.

God formed Adam of the dust of the ground, then breathed into his nostrils His, that is God's breath, and man then lived, became a living soul.

Humans don't have a soul, they are a whole living person, the physical body animated by God's breath, a soul.

Many times the Hebrew for soul is used to describe people, living people of the time as in Genesis 46:26 All the souls that came to Egypt with Jacob were three score and six.
---therese on 9/15/13


Shira/Mark, Suppose your theory was correct
IE at death you go to be with Jesus in heaven.
There's then absolutely no reason for a resurrection, your destiny is complete.
Jesus promised resurrection otherwise you would stay dead!
You (the person) is resurrected, nowhere in scripture does it say the body is resurrected. (It has long since disintegrated!)maybe cancerus with parts missing, NO! Jesus resurrects you in a new body!
---1st_cliff on 9/15/13


therese, do note it's in God's creation that He created man tripartite (body, soul and spirit - 1 Thessalonians 5:23). The man needs a body to live in this world that holds the soul and spirit. But this body of flesh as we have learnt is condemned, "dust you are dust you shall return". It's a given, as this body dies, the soul and spirit will be separated to either be in Paradise or Hades until the glorification.

As heaven is not "opened" yet, those "asleep" now awaits the glorification (see Romans 8:17-30, 2 Thessalonians 1:10-12), where the saints will receive a glorified body as that of Christ to be with Him in heaven. The reprobates too will receive a body but Bible makes no mention about its kind.
---christan on 9/15/13


Cluny 9/14/13 Do you think that the survival of the soul after physical death and resurrection of the body are contradictory and mutually exclusive?
No.
I just cant find scripture to support that the soul lives on somewhere after the death of the body and I find much more to support we go nowhere but the grave to await the resurrection. Just cant understand why we need a body if we can live as a soul, and couldnt God give us a new body to unite with our soul as soon as we die.
---therese on 9/15/13


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1Cliff, I was talking about the physical body, not the persons spirit which is already united with Christ spiritually. The resurrection of the body is what happens at the Second Coming. The Spirit is already with Christ. That is if you are born of the Spirit. We are spiritually baptized into one body in Christ. Read (Eph. 2:4=6). How could we be setting together with Christ in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus if it was not spiritual? You are suggesting its all a myth.
---Mark_V. on 9/15/13


Christian, So, all you have to support your theory is the spurious 1John 5.7?
Not found in mss. prior to the 16th century!
---1st_cliff on 9/15/13


cliff, when we die our spirits are to be with God immediately. our bodies have nothing but worldly flesh and it will go back to dust. should I say the born again are immediately be with Jesus.
---shira4368 on 9/15/13


No,Trey: You cannot find in scripture where the soul leaves the body at death!
That's pure mythology!
---1st_cliff on 9/14/13


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\\Doesnt that sound like resurrection?\\

And just where or when have I denied the Resurrection of the body, theresa?

Do you think that the survival of the soul after physical death and resurrection of the body are contradictory and mutually exclusive?

They aren't.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/14/13


"Nowhere in scripture does it say the Holy Spirit is a "person of the trinity" That's your misguided belief!" 1stCliff

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one." 1 John 5:7,8

Seriously, you have got to stop reading your Star Wars and Star Trek manuals for spiritual guidance.
---christan on 9/14/13


What part of Jesus returned to God when He yielded up His spirit on the cross. He then breathed his last. When He spoke to Mary on Resurrection day, He said I HAVE NOT YET ASCENDED TO MY FATHER, SAY TO MY BRETHREN I AM ASCENDING TO MY FATHER. Is there any scripture to support He went anywhere except to the grave.
---therese on 9/15/13


Therese, thanks for the question:
Gen 35.18 - self explanitory
Ac9:39 Note: "While she was with them"
Eccl 3:21, 12:7
1 Thes 4:14 "bring with him"
Rev 6:9 - Just read it for what it says.
Luke 16:22
2 Cor 5:8
Phil 1:23
Look at the lesson Christ teaches in Matt 22:32
There should not be a doubt that when a child of God's body dies(referred to biblically as sleep) his soul and spirit go to be with God!
---trey on 9/14/13


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Mark V, **1Cliff your (sic) wrong**
Where? you said the same thing as me ,are we both wrong?
---1st_cliff on 9/14/13


Cluny, 9/13/13 Job 14:10 TILL THE HEAVENS BE NO MORE. Doesnt that mean it could happen when the heavens are no more? When Jesus returns, the heavens, that is our atmospheric heavens will be burned up. 2 Peter 3:10 God then creates new heavens and new earth.

Was Job speaking from despair when he also wrote down.

FOR I KNOW MY REDEEMER LIVES AND HE SHALL STAND AT LAST ON THE EARTH. AND AFTER MY SKIN IS DESTROYED THIS I KNOW THAT IN MY FLESH I SHALL SEE GOD. Job 19:25-26.

Doesnt that sound like resurrection?

Job also wrote down,
IF A MAN DIES SHALL HE LIVE AGAIN? ALL THE DAYS OF MY APPOINTED TIME WILL I WAIT TILL MY CHANGE COMES.
What change? Could it be what Paul wrote down in 1 Corinthians 15:51-55.
---therese on 9/14/13


1Cliff, your wrong. You didn't read the context when Jesus said in the case of Lazarus who was dead. Jesus said to Martha
"I Am the resurrection and the life, he who believes in Me though he may die, he shall live." When He called Lazarus out with a loud voice "come forth. And he who had died came out bound hand and foot with graveclothes" He not only gave him life but also resurrected him so that he could hear the words of Jesus. This was done so that those who heard would believe in Jesus. You didn't use the context of what it meant when Jesus said in (John 5:28) many will hear His voice and come forth, it is because He gives them life when He resurrect's them. He is the resurrection and the life.
---Mark_V. on 9/14/13


Christian, Beam me up Scotty!
Nowhere in scripture does it say the Holy Spirit is a "person of the trinity" That's your misguided belief!
The Holy Spirit appeared as "tounges of fire ,a dove,the force that Moses used to bring the plagues on Egypt,the wind that parted the sea etc...
It is God's holy active force not a "person" written as "He" by translators!
You imagine that God creates things with His bare hands???
---1st_cliff on 9/14/13


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\\Where? In your bible or dictionary for Star Wars? The "He" that Christ used was so explicit, telling us that the Spirit is indeed a "person", a spiritual person of the trinity.\\

Except that "to agio pnevmati" is gramatically NEUTER--that is, IT--in Greek.

Only in English does the Holy Spirit get called "He."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/14/13


Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine, as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

These are the words of GOD. Now where in Hebrews 12 does of it speak of dead humans in heaven.

How many here have read The Fire that Consumes by Fudge?

When I die I will close my eyes and then as far as I am concerned I will open them no time to me will pass. I will just get to meet JESUS in the air. So for me to die is to be with JESUS.

Paul spoke of the Resurrection of the dead. Why?
---Samuelbb7 on 9/13/13


"**The Spirit that Christ speaks of is a "He"**
Only because the translators wrote it that way Spirit (Pneuma/Ruach) is not "masculine" in either Greek nor Hebrew! Look it up!" 1stCliff


Where? In your bible or dictionary for Star Wars? The "He" that Christ used was so explicit, telling us that the Spirit is indeed a "person", a spiritual person of the trinity.

Based on your "reasoning and understanding" above, God then is not real, right? Jesus calls Him "Father" and we are told to call Him "Father". So what does your dictionary from Star Wars say about that?

Are you led by the Spirit or by the force?
---christan on 9/13/13


Martha said unto Jesus, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

Be not afraid of man for he can only dectroy the body, but be afraid of God for he can destroy the body and the soul.

There are two resurrections. Read and re-read Revelation 20. Even meditate on the words. Blessed are those that rise in the first resurrection.
---Steveng on 9/13/13


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Absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

also Hebrews 12 lists those in Heaven now, the spirits of JUST MEN MADE PERFECT, and the Church of the first born.
---kathr4453 on 9/13/13


\\According to your theory they would be conscious "in their graves" until then. which would be unrealistic!\\

Did I say the body would be conscious?

No.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/13/13


Cluny, It's not really that difficult to comprehend, Lazarus was "awakend" by Jesus' voice.
Jesus said "Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out.."Jn.5.28
According to your theory they would be conscious "in their graves" until then. which would be unrealistic!
---1st_cliff on 9/13/13


\\So man lies down and does not rise, till the heavens be no more , they shall not AWAKE nor be roused from their SLEEP. \\

Something else about this verse. I'm not doubting that Job said this.

But it does not follow that he was speaking for God. Rather, he was speaking from the depths of his depression and despair.

Sometimes the Bible is not God's words, but God's record of man's words. Big difference.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/13/13


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Christian, **The Spirit that Christ speaks of is a "He"**
Only because the translators wrote it that way Spirit (Pneuma/Ruach) is not "masculine" in either Greek nor Hebrew!
Look it up!
---1st_cliff on 9/13/13


\\So man lies down and does not rise, till the heavens be no more , they shall not AWAKE nor be roused from their SLEEP. \\

If this verse were being interpreted as strictly as you think Job meant it, it means there is NO Resurrection.

**Nowhere (in scripture) does the human spirit live on after death
There's no mention of immortality of the soul or spirit! period!**'

There is clearly SOMETHING of a dead person that survives physical death and remains conscious. Otherwise Lazarus and the little girl would not have heard Jesus's command to come back to physical life.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/13/13


1stCliff, and you must be drunk on them spirits.

"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, He shall testify of me: And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning." John 15:26,27

"Howbeit when He, the Spirit of truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth: for He shall not speak of himself, but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak: and He will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for He shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you." John 16:13,14

The Spirit that Christ speaks of is a "He".
---christan on 9/13/13


1Cliff, All descendants of Adam are born spiritually dead. They have a spirit but it is dead to God. The Scriptures not only bear testimony to the physical characteristics of the human body of the incarnated Christ, but also speak specifically of the fact that He possessed a human rational soul and spirit. According to Matt. 20:38) Christ said to His disciples,
"My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death" This can hardly be attributed to His divine nature. It is in reference to the fact that He possessed a human soul. A similar statement is given by John 13:21) in regard to His human spirit:
" When Jesus had thus said, He was troubled in the spirit" Jesus had a complete human nature.
---Mark_V. on 9/13/13


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Jesus "breathed"(pneuma) on His disciples and said "Receive Holy Spirit"
Acts 17.25 "He Himself gives all men life and BREATH and all things"
When the sea parted for Moses, God sent a strong wind (ruach) that opened the water and dried the sea bed!
Spirit has other meanings like attitude (in good spirits)
The Christmas spirit, the spirit of '76 etc.
Angels are spirit creatures!
Nowhere (in scripture) does the human spirit live on after death
There's no mention of immortality of the soul or spirit! period!
---1st_cliff on 9/12/13


Thank you Catherine 9/12/13 for your scripture verses. However as I look at other verses in Ecclesiastes, it says nothing about a part of humans, be it SOUL or SPIRIT that can think, praise, love, have knowledge or wisdom. I wonder why, Didnt he know anything about the spirit?. Check out these verses Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 , 3:19-20.
And what else did Job say about death- Job 7:21b, Job 14:14 and this Job 14:10-12
But man dies and is laid away, indeed he breathes his last and where is he? . So man lies down and does not rise, till the heavens be no more , they shall not AWAKE nor be roused from their SLEEP.
Didnt Job know what the spirit or soul can do either? Or did he choose to withhold the truth.?
---therese on 9/12/13


\\Spirit(ruach/pneuma) is defined as air, wind breath etc.\\

When Jesus said in John 4, "God is a spirit," do you actually think He meant "God is an air"?

Air is itself a creation of God.

And don't forget the same word can have many, even contradictory, meanings, depending on the context.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/12/13


Therese, Since you asked:
When God created Adam He "breathed" into his NOSTRILS the breath of life,Adam "became" not ,was given, a living soul! Spirit(ruach/pneuma) is defined as air, wind breath etc.
The last thing to leave your body at death is your "breath"
returns to God,as it where, to give it back at resurrection!
To be alive, after you die, is pure mythology!
---1st_cliff on 9/12/13


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I know that EGW, other SDAs, and JWs got a big surprise when they died and discovered there is no such thing as soul sleep (properly, soul extinction).

I pray their other surprises after death were pleasant ones.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/12/13


The Bible actually gives both answers that at death Man's spirit goes directly to God. See thief on cross and "to be apart from the body is to be present with God." and the story of Lazarus.
But their is also verses which says he will call his own back on the last day.
What I think this means is that the dead do not know that they are "sleeping" because death is outside of time so judgement will happen as soon as you die and at the end of time with everybody. We cannot comprehend the true effects of being in an eternal state.
---Scott1 on 9/12/13


Biblical Scholars group the Bible's teachings on death into three categories----physical, spiritual, and eternal. Although physical death is sometimes compared to sleep [I didn't write down that Scripture, I wish I had] God said to go ahead and finish it, Scripture does not teach that one's consciousness lapses after death to reawaken at the day of resurrection and judgment.....Jesus promised the repentant thief on the cross that he would see paradise the very day of his "death". Paul teaches that, for believers being absent from the body means being present with Christ [2 Corin. 5:8]. Some Scriptures for you: Eccles. 9:9-10, Job 14:2, Luke 12: 16-20.
---catherine on 9/12/13


Therese, The spirit is the center of man that relates with the Spiritual realm.

The soul is the mind and heart of man. His thoughts and reasoning.

The physical body, made from earthen dust, is the temporary vessel in which the spirit and soul dwell.

Someday the Believer's physical body will be transformed into a spiritual body that will never know pain, sickness nor death.

The spirit and soul can never cease to exist once they're created by GOD.

In Hell and the Lake of Fire the bodies of the Damned will experience corruption and decay and their souls will continually know pain and death.

That death is not "annihilation", but a complete degradation of utter pain, rejection and worthlessness.
---Gordon on 9/12/13


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Rita, when a person dies, his spirit is with God. If you do not believe, you could not possibly be saved. When God makes us alive,(spiritually alive) because we are already physically alive, together with Christ it's permanent thing. (Eph. 2:4-6). The reason all believers have access to God. If you claim that our spirits are not alive to God, you could not possibly be save. Jesus brought a little girl back to life "But He put them all outside, took her by the hand and called, saying, "Little girl, "arise" then her spirit returned and she arose immediately" The spirit was not dead. Otherwise Jesus would not have said the spirit returned back to her. Jesus in His humanity had a soul and a spirit like all of us.
---Mark_V. on 9/12/13


I believe Eccle 12:7
Then the dust will return to the earth as it was and the spirit will return to God who gave it.
is the only scripture which clearly states that something of man returns to God when the body dies.

Are there others? But what is this spirit?

Lets have clear scripture not supposition or opinions not based on scripture.
---therese on 9/11/13


Rita H, The soul is the exact same form as the physical body. It can move, think, reason, speak, see, touch, etc. But, it is not the complete person as GOD intends, which is why it, the soul of the Redeemed, in the Third Heaven, shall be reunited to it's new spiritual, incorruptible body at the Day of Resurrection.

The souls of the Damned in Hell, right now, are the same, they can feel, hear, smell, see, etc. But, at Judgment Day, they will, body and soul, be cast alive in the eternally burning Lake of Fire.
---Gordon on 9/11/13


Rita H, Those Verses you quoted, of I Thessalonians 4:16-17, are speaking of the physical body that will be brought back from it's rotted condition of corruption and shall be transformed into an incorruptable body which will clothe the soul of the all the Saints who've passed on, straight up into Heaven, to await that Day of Resurrection.

So, there is no "soul-sleep" for the soul.

Paradise in the Third Heaven and Hell below are temporary waiting places for our bodyless souls to dwell at until Resurrection Day.

The Eternal Heaven will be when GOD creates a new Heaven and a New Earth as per REVELATION 21:1.

And the permenant place of Damnation will be the Lake of Fire, not the temporary Hell.
---Gordon on 9/11/13


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That's Ecc. 9:5 Cliff, not Ezekiel (Ez.)...

Ecc. 9:5 is talking about the physical aspect of man on Earth (under the sun) once the living spirit of man has departed the flesh. In context, Ecc. 9:5 definitively states that the dead flesh & bones of man knows nothing once the soul/spirit has departed.

Now, I know you don't believe that, so please save yourself some time & effort trying to convince me otherwise. I'm not trying to debate the issue with you "again". Truth really isn't debatable. I'm merely making a statement of belief that I'm confident is in context with Bible truth.
---Leon on 9/10/13


This should be called the "pagan blog" where people believe that the dead don't die! (the lie that the serpent told Eve)
Ez.9.5 clearly says the dead know nothing!
Soul is mentioned over 800 times in scriptures and not once does it say it's immortal, deathless or never dieing!
This should separate the Christians from the pagans!
---1st_cliff on 9/10/13


Gordon, when someone dies, they go into a predeath coma. what I hate is when you hear the dr say you have six months to live and you live knowing for sure you will die unless God grants you a miracle.
---shira4368 on 9/10/13


1 Thessalonians 4.

16. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

This does NOT say that the very second we die we enter Heaven or Hell.
---Rita_H on 9/10/13


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Therese, People are fully conscious when they die.

A person goes either straight to Heaven, at death, or straight to Hell.

All 5 senses are fully active and cognizant.

LUKE 16's Story of the Rich Man and Lazarus is exactly what happens at Death.

(Except, for the Saved, they go up to Paradise which is now in the Third Heaven, rather than it's old station in Hell below.)
---Gordon on 9/10/13


Hi, Therese (c: God bless you (c:

God knows more and better than we can understand about what will happen when each of us will die.

It will be very personal, how our Father has carefully planned what will happen at the time of our deaths and what He pleases to do with us, afterward.

We are His children! How long do you want your children to sleep, without you having time to share with them? Our Father loves us . . . even as He loves Jesus > John 17:22-26!!! So, I find it "interesting" how ones argue that they will "sleep" unconsciously for many years after they die. Are they saying our Father would not "miss" us, for all that time?
---willie_c: on 9/10/13


The best teaching with regards to this blog question can be found in Luke 16:19-31, taught by Christ. Contrary to many who claim that this is a parable, no where in the verses from 19 to 31 say it's a parable. Neither did Christ declared that it was a parable.

Christ spoke of two specific people, the rich man which name was withheld and the poor beggar named Lazarus. Even Abraham is mentioned when Lazarus was taken to Paradise whereas the rich man went straight to Hades.
---christan on 9/10/13


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