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Samuel, it does not matter what passages I put down, you will refuse no matter what. That is ok. But what you say is unbiblical. You say:
"GOD does not save those who love sin." Then who does He draw to Himself? Then say,
" He reaches out and draws all to him. But we have the right to refuse."
So what you are saying is that you were dead in trespasses and sins, and God drew you to Himself and made you alive together with Christ (Eph. 2:4,5) and you say you can reject being made alive and want to go back to being dead? Nonsense. Then say:" He gave us that right." No one lost seeks after God (Rom. 3:11).
---Mark_V. on 10/25/13


Marc, I was speaking of God the Father. Not the Son Jesus Christ. Jesus talked to many unsaved sinners. Jesus in His humanity was a human being just like all human beings. He felt all the things we felt. In His Divine nature He was God. When the Bible speaks about God it is speaking of God the Father not the Son.
---Mark_V. on 10/25/13


Mark_V.: "Steven, nothing you say really mean anything."

I gave you verses, but you did not followed up. In your heart you say, "Oh, it's Steveng, he doesn't know what he is talking about so I'm not going to listen, but I'll respond in my way."

Mark_V.: "Remember, you said Satan is in complete control of all the things on the earth."

That's right. That is until Jesus returns.
---Steveng on 10/24/13


Rom 2:11-13
For there is no respect of persons with God.
For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law, (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

GOD does not save those who love sin. He reaches out and draws all to him. But we have the right to refuse. He gave us that right. Which makes us ressponsible for going to hell.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/24/13


MarkV wrote "God is also Just, and will not listen to unsaved sinners. If He wanted He could."

So, God could, but won't. That's not the Jesus I know. Apparently one of us worships another "God". Now, who could that be I wonder?
---Marc on 10/24/13




Marc 2: your question,
"If God is Love, and he can save everyone by his will alone but only chooses a few, how can this be a demonstration of total love? A few cannot equal total love because it misses out on saving all."
There's no "if's", God is Love, it's His nature and it never changes. Second, He demonstrates His love differently to all humans. God is also Just, and will not listen to unsaved sinners. If He wanted He could. But you need to believe by faith in His Word,
"Behold, the Lord's hand is not shortened. That it cannot save, Nor His ear heavy, That it cannot hear. But your iniquities have separated you from your God. And your sins have hidden His face from you" (Isaiah 59:1,2).
---Mark_V. on 10/24/13


Marc, why do you resort to the same tactics others make? You conclude I might be dishonest, then say:
"I don't expect you to directly respond, going by your track record." When have you asked me something and I did not respond? second, what you asked before was about salvation.
You do not want to discuss the love of God, really, you want to throw some dirt at me. I have hardly answered you. And when you do I try to answer you. Sometimes many answer me complaining and I don't have the time to answer everyone. Plus I cannot post two comments in a row I have to wait before I put down my second comment. You want to discuss the nature of God? Don't be like the most of the free willer's, show the fruits of the Spirit.
---Mark_V. on 10/23/13


MarkV,

It may have been my omission of a few words which confused you, but you didn't actually answer my question. You reformulated, mistakenly or dishonestly, the question into one about my salvation. That's not what I asked. What I was asking was this:

If God is Love, and he can save everyone by his will alone but only chooses a few, how can this be a demonstration of total love? A few cannot equal total love because it misses out on saving all.

I don't expect you to directly respond, going by your track record.
---Marc on 10/23/13


Steven, nothing you say really mean anything. Remember, you said Satan is in complete control of all the things on the earth. He would have to permit Christ to save anyone otherwise Christ is helpless to do anything you said. So your theology is corrupt. You said the Holy Spirit gives you knowledge, but it is not the Spirit of God talking to you and giving you knowledge, it is the prince of the power of the air. We know in whom you believe in, and it is not God.
---Mark_V. on 10/23/13


amen steveng, amen
---shira4368 on 10/22/13




Mark_V. a reply of your 10/22/13 post: Christ died for ALL OF MANKIND whether they accept the gift of salvation is up to the individual. John 3:17 says Christ also did not come into the world to save the saved, but save the sinner. Mark 16:16 says that anyone, not just a christian, that believes and is baptized shall be saved (christians are already saved). John 3:17 says that Christ came to save the world, not just the christians. Matthew 24:14 says the the Word shall be preached to all the world, not just to the saved. Mark 16:15 says to go into the world to preach to ALL MEN, not just christians. John 3:16 says that God love the world, not just the christians. John 6:51 says ANY man, not just a christian.
---Steveng on 10/22/13


Samuel, I do not believe we were answering anything on a Tulip. I have not mentioned one thing concerning any part of the Tulip. I believe you are going by something that you might have looked up.
If you want to talk about any part of the five points of Calvinism or the five points of Arminianism we can do that. Right now we are responding to what Scripture says. What Jesus said, that salvation with man is impossible. Or what Paul said,
that there is none who seek after God, because really there is none who understands".
---Mark_V. on 10/22/13


Samuel 2: (1 John 2:2) is a text that is use against limited atonement:
"He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world" They argue this text is proof against limited atonement. But if the text is taken that way, then the text becomes proof that salvation is universal, but it is not. If Christ indeed propitiated or satisfied God's demands for the punishment of sins of everybody, then clearly everybody would be saved. If God punished sins that were already propitiated then He would be unjust. But if the text is understood to mean that everyone's sin have been conditionally propitiated contingent upon faith and repentance then the atonement is limited to only those with faith.
---Mark_V. on 10/22/13


You did it all on your own. You loved your sin against God. All those without Christ are condemned already. God gave His only Begotten Son, so you could have eternal life. Is that not love?
Mark_V. on 10/21/13

But in TULIP Calvinism these are false statements. Sinners did not do it on their own. GOD made them be sinners by His divine will. GOD made them love sin and not love GOD. According to Limited Atonement GOD did not give His son to save all just a few.

So Why Mark v are you contradicting yourself?
---Samuelbb7 on 10/21/13


.....for he shall save his people from their sins."
---Nana on 9/13/13

No one confirms better than scriptural witnesses. As Nana makes obvious.
The sheep/nations/ethnos:
Mat_15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Jer_50:6 My people hath been lost sheep: ...

The Grave:
Hos_13:14 I will ransom them from the power of the grave, I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues, O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes.

New Life:
Rev_21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
---Trav on 10/21/13


Kathr: So MarkV is a girl???






---jerry6593 on 10/21/13


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Marc, you said,
"So, your God is love, is he? Isn't this the same God who damns an individual to hell even before he's born when he, without any extra effort, ordained him to everlasting glory?" No one said that God damns individuals to hell for no reason. Marc, you were condemned already, all descendants of Adam are condemned and heading to hell. God show His love for you, and had mercy on you. You only deserved damnation not mercy. Is that not the love of God displayed in your life?
God did not force you to sin against Him did He? You did it all on your own. You loved your sin against God. All those without Christ are condemned already. God gave His only Begotten Son, so you could have eternal life. Is that not love?
---Mark_V. on 10/21/13


Yes, Mark, you did omit 'love'.

So, your God is love, is he?

Isn't this the same God who damns an individual to hell even before he's born when he, without any extra effort, ordained him to everlasting glory?

Please deign to explain exactly how love is demonstrated in this.
---Marc on 10/20/13


Marc, for your information I did not forget Love, I did mention His nature, if you knew His nature you would know that His nature is love. But of course you were looking for loop holes just to get into the subject. Love is His nature.
You are welcome to enter the subject concerning God, but the God of the Bible, not some god many of you form.
A God who cannot do anything unless sinful man let him.
A god that hopes and prays you are kind enough to choose him.
A god who doesn't know what man will do the next minute.
A god who has to change his plan every time man sins.
Talk about God but the real God of Scripture.
---Mark_V. on 10/20/13


The God of Scripture can only be known by those to whom He makes Himself known.
---Mark_v. on 10/19/13

Well if we believe in the trinity, God can be known by receiving Jesus Christ. As no one can come to the father or even know the father except through Jesus Christ . This is WHY God sent His Son
into the world.....to reconcile man back to God.
---kathr4453 on 10/19/13


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\\she cuts and pastes here only because she DOES NOT herself hear God. What a joke.\\

You don't actually think that you or jerry hears God, do you?

And don't get huffy. After all, if YOU can say that someone doesn't hear God, then you must want someone to say the same thing about you, right?

"As ye would that men should do to you......"

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/19/13


MarkV wrote: "again I am speaking about Almighty God. I am sorry you do not like to hear about God, His decrees, His Providences, His ordination, His Justice, His Sovereignty, His nature, His character, His attributes. This subject are about God."

Have you noticed the one item Mark "forgot" to include on his checklist?
Just one "minor" factor called 'love.

Says everything!
---Marc on 10/19/13


Mark_V.: ...you read the KJV which is also a tool."

The bible is NOT a tool.

Mark_V.: "The Holy Spirit guides me..."

So far of all your posts I've read you have a worldly knowedge and understanding of God's word, but fall short of spiritual understanding.

Mark_V.: "...to learn from great Bible writers who the Holy Spirit guided to write those tools for us."

Have you walked through a christian bookstore? There are a plethora of books by authors claiming to know the truth and who were guided by the Holy Spirit. There is a half a dozen books just on the rapture itself.
---Steveng on 10/20/13


Jerry, have you ever notices too when Markv is confronted, she then resorts to commentaries she cuts and pastes here only because she DOES NOT herself hear God. What a joke.

Yet no where in that commentary is anything even remotely stated about salvation of individuals. But somewhere in her mind she THINKS it does.

If perhaps she truly was one who "hears" God, she wouldn't need to resort to cutting and pasting others works...LISA! Anyone can do that. She is HIDING behind others still.

And now I hear she stated here on line she has a drug problem???? That explains the erratic schizophrenic words that are her own.
---kathr4453 on 10/19/13


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Jerry, yes, again I am speaking about Almighty God. I am sorry you do not like to hear about God, His decrees, His Providences, His ordination, His Justice, His Sovereignty, His nature, His character, His attributes. This subject are about God. You want to speak about the law and Saturday Sabbath and want everyone to believe you, go to an SDA meeting. Everyone will agree with you and love you. Here it is about our Sovereign Holy and Righteous God who "doeth according to His will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay His hand" (Dan. 3:35). The God of Scripture can only be known by those to whom He makes Himself known.
---Mark_v. on 10/19/13


Kathr, if you had any common sense you would have known that (Acts 26 and 28) are speaking about God and who He is and how He has made from one blood every nation of men on the face of the earth and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings. And again (v. 28) is speaking again about God that in Him we live and move and have our being.
(V. 27) is speaking about man. God's objective for man in revealing Himself as the creator, ruler, and controller of the world. Men have no excuse for not knowing about God because He has revealed Himself in man's conscience and in the physical world. But you do not understand a thing, so you argue again.
---Mark_V. on 10/19/13


Kathr & Elder: I see that MarkV has successfully hijacked yet another blog with his favorite topic. You guys are doing a great job of exposing his true nature. As insufferable as he is here, can you imagine what his poor wife and son have (or had) to endure? It seems that he lives his religion of cruelty toward those unelected infidels just as his god does.

What a shame. If he would turn from his evil ways and stick to the blog topic, he might learn enough to actually be "saved".



---jerry6593 on 10/19/13


Steven, you say,
" If you really are a genuine christian, you would be depending upon the Holy Spirit for spiritual knowledge not worldly books, concordances, christian reference books, other author's opinionated books, etc." All the tools I need for studying the Word of God are just tools. you use tools also, you use the computer which is a tool, use words online from someone who put them there for you, that is also a tool, you read the KJV which is also a tool. A revised version of the originals, someone wrote that revision, another tool. The Holy Spirit guides me to learn from great Bible writers who the Holy Spirit guided to write those tools for us. Stop trying to make yourself more spiritual then others.
---Mark_V. on 10/19/13


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Mark_V.: "I am well studied in the Word of God in front of me. I do not have to do research on words on line, I can check all Hebrew and Greek words on my lexicons. But thanks for the information you gave."

Apparently you are not well "studied in the Word of God." At the same time you are well "studied in the Word of God" using worldly knowledge since you need to know Hebrew and Greek for understanding. If you really are a genuine christian, you would be depending upon the Holy Spirit for spiritual knowledge not worldly books, concordances, christian reference books, other author's opinionated books, etc.

Mark V, do you have a searchable KJV bible on your computer?
---Steveng on 10/18/13


Acts 17:27-28


27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:

28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being, as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.


Again another winning verse from the opposition. Funny how they left out verse 27.
---kathr4453 on 10/18/13


Elder, in the 80's I went to a Calvin church without knowing what Calvinism was? WOW, God works in mysterious ways, and did I ever learn truth from lie the hard way. This was during the time there was this horrible famine and draught in Africa. We were told this was God's will, that they DESERVED to die and it wasn't our problem.

Now I stated this years ago when I first came to CN when JohnT and company were around. So many here, who didn't know what Calvinism was called me a liar. BUT today, still plugging away and seeing Markv and Christan's extremeism, I believe many here NOW do believe such things are said in the Calvin community. If they deserved it, why is it up to Markv to pray for people who also may deserve to die?
---kathr4453 on 10/18/13


Elder, Mr offended you. Your cat examples are all in your mind. It is our duty to pray for all who are in need so, we ask for the will of God. We know that no matter what we ask, it is God's will that will be done on earth as it is in Heaven. Nothing can change what God has predetermine to happen. It is all in His plan. He controls the lives of all things "For in Him we live and move and have our being.." (Acts 17:28). All are in the hands of God even where we live and move and breath, God controls all things.
"And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has predetermined their pre-appointed times and the boundaries of their dwelling" (Acts 17:26).
---Mark_V. on 10/18/13


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Steven, you say,
"Mark V, go to an online KJV bible and search for the following words: "one another", "each other", "comfort", and "encourag" to learn about what a true christian lifestyle is all about."
If what you and the other say and do is the Christian life you believe in, then I want nothing to do with that Christian life, it must teach to take shots at the wives of those who you do not agree with. I do not need that kind of Christianity.
I am well studied in the Word of God in front of me. I do not have to do research on words on line, I can check all Hebrew and Greek words on my lexicons. But thanks for the information you gave.
---Mark_V. on 10/18/13


Shira, Kathr has spoken a lot, you have also spoken a lot, Elder has complained a lot. Most of it is talk and complains and name calling. I have answered just about every question you have ask. Sometimes you put four or five questions, and I cannot answer all of them in the space given. Next time give passage and your point. I will answer any passage.
All you have done is go to blogs where I am answering and make comments. Telling others not to hear me or answer me, yet you answer me all the time with more comments. Make up your mind. Do you want to ask questions or do you just want to complain? If you are here to complain, then stop complaining I don't answer.
---Mark_V. on 10/18/13


Kathr, if a person is sick isn't that the predetermined will of the Sovern God?
So if a Calvinists goes and prays for them wouldn't that be going against the will of God? Or, do they have the power over God to change that which He has predetermined?
Ya know this predetermined thingy is a good way to do what ya want and then blame the rest on God.
I ain't gotta witness, go to church, help others 'cause God had predetermined what was to be before the foundation of the world.
Yea, and the Tooth Fairy owes me $10.00.

---Elder on 10/17/13


Mark V, go to an online KJV bible and search for the following words: "one another", "each other", "comfort", and "encourag" to learn about what a true christian lifestyle is all about.
---Steveng on 10/17/13


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markv, elder, kathr and me have given you scripture and you ignore. only God can soften your heart. we have ask questions and you never answer or you answer with a question. don't ask me to look it up I'm not spending hours looking at all the blogs but I'm not the only one who sees that.
---shira4368 on 10/17/13


Master Mark, we all know that you are not a master of anything.
You address me formally as Mr. / mister.
You do that to disturb me but you don't. Better than you have tried but I know your source. Being that my first name is Elder it just shows how childish you act.
So I just formally address you as master. That is the term that is used to formally speak to a child. Of course maybe it is your second childhood. Anyway, I'm right again.
And, you are still my little catnip toy to play with. Your childish ways makes me feel like a well-fed Tomcat with a catnip squeaky toy.
You also pretend to be concerned about your wife when you fire cheap shots at everyone and sexist remarks at kathr.
---Elder on 10/17/13


Mr. Elder, keep whining and complaining. It fits you perfect. Keep throwing out dirt that is in your heart, you seem to have a lot of it. Even to throw shots at my wife, you are a great godly man. And no, I am not a master of anything, but I do know God and trust in Him for all things. Without Him I am nothing. I give the glory to God, I take no credit for my salvation. I know who saved me.
---Mark_V. on 10/17/13


Elder, this praying for the sick from a Calvinists point of view is very interesting.

Is it a prayer of FAITH? Who's faith? Markv's or God's? and does God need faith in Himself to heal, or is God's faith working through MarkV and wife faith in someone higher than God Himself? Or is God's faith to heal the sick only active when working through MarkV and wife since MarkV and wife have no faith to begin with?

it's all very confusing, since all is for-ordained. OH I bet God predetermined ahead of time to give Johnny cancer JUST SO THAT God could give Markv and wife an ego boost and one more thing to boast about.
---kathr4453 on 10/17/13


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Master Mark,
You don't wasting time when you ridicule?
Kathr has spoken truth to your reprobate mind.
It is your sexist remark showing women inferior.
You say your wife married you because she was so smart like you think you are superior and special. The flip side is you think you did dumb marrying her.
Yea, you are a legend in your own mind... You dont even know how to respond to women.
Ill bet she has to walk two steps behind you to your left when you walk down the street. I mean, like, Youre the man!!!
Why do you visit the hospitals dont you think God has predetermined everything all ready? What power do you think you possesses?
You should stop visiting people in the hospital... they're sick enough already.
---Elder on 10/17/13


Steven, you say,
"Like most, if not all, of your posts it is nothing but foolishness." To you it is. Not to genuine believers.
Then say: " The bible is fall ALL people. How do you suppose unbelievers become believers unless they first read or hear the words of the bible first?"
That is what you do not understand. God has to change their hearts so that they can perceive, and understand and believe the Truth. Otherwise they will never believe the Truth. God prepares the heart, and when they hear the gospel, they hear it in the power of God and with the Holy Spirit with much assurance (2 Thess. 4,5).
Without God changing their hearts they will remain unbelievers.
---Mark_V. on 10/17/13


The Calvinistic doctrine leaves many questions unanswered. First of all, we must ask where the Scriptures ever teach that God must regenerate a man's nature before he can believe. While this is consistent with Total Inability, it does not seem to be a truth revealed in the Bible with any consistency. Did God have to grant Abraham a new nature before he could make the decision to leave Ur of the Chaldees? Was the call to faith "irresistible?" If so, it seems peculiar that the Bible would praise his faith. Abraham could certainly not be commended for something in which he was wholly passive.
---kathr4453 on 10/17/13


my wife is a loving and caring person who visits hospitals with me to pray for those sick.
---Mark_V. on 10/17/13


So how does this work? DOES prayer change things? Does God need you to pray Markv and then God will heal? Can God heal without your prayers? Are you visiting Hospitals with only the ELECT as the sick ones? Does YOUR God heal the unelect sick because you pray for them?

YET, God cannot SAVE anyone because you pray for their salvation?

Please explain.
---kathr4453 on 10/17/13


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Mark_V.: "Steven, the Bible is for believers, unbelievers do not believe the Bible."

Like most, if not all, of your posts it is nothing but foolishness. The bible is fall ALL people. How do you suppose unbelievers become believers unless they first read or hear the words of the bible first?

Your replies are getting more foolish and more hatefull every week. It seems your hate is growing stronger. I truly believe you should take a spiritual sabatical for a couple of months before posting anything else.
---Steveng on 10/17/13


Mark_V. ""For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us, who are being saved, it is the power of God" (1 Cor. 1:18). How can those passages be for them? They are for us who understand because we believe the Word of God."

There are passages for only the unbelievers and there are passages for believers. You must distinguish the two. In order for unbelievers to know they are sinning is to know the ten commandments. How else would unbelievers know they are sinners and must turn away from sin if they first don't read the bible or hear the word of God? What's the purpose of preaching to the world if everyone is predestined like you believe?
---Steveng on 10/17/13


Mr Elder, when a woman or man come on line to ridicule others, they are wasting their time here. When there is work to do at home. man included. You say,
"Doesn't this show a predetermined attitude that women are inferior to the men?" only in your corrupt mind, just like the god you created in your mind. Then say,
" is that what your wife has to, just sit there with her mouth shut and wash clothes?" I wash clothes and cook for both of us. My wife has no venom in her mouth like Kathr, my wife is a loving and caring person who visits hospitals with me to pray for those sick. She is much smarter then me. She married me. I am not superior to anyone in the sight of God. I am a sinner saved by Grace.
---Mark_V. on 10/17/13


2 Chronicles 36:14_16 "Moreover all the chief of the priests, and the people, transgressed very much after all the abominations of the heathen, and polluted the house of the LORD which he had hallowed in Jerusalem. And the LORD God of their fathers sent to them by his messengers, rising up betimes, and sending, because he had compassion on his people, and on his dwelling place: But they mocked the messengers of God, and despised his words, and misused his prophets, until the wrath of the LORD arose against his people, till there was no remedy."

"O Jerusalem...", (Matthew 23:37).

The power of God to unbelievers is His mercy, not just His wrath.
---Nana on 10/17/13


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Kathr, don't you have something better to do at home with your family, like washing clothes, or cleaning house..."
Mark_V

What a Christ like statement from one that's predestined to make it on this Oct. day.
Doesn't this show a predetermined attitude that women are inferior to the men?
Mark, is that what your wife has to, just sit there with her mouth shut and wash clothes? We already know that you are smarter than she is after all look at whom she married
By the way, how much glory did your predetermined statement bring to the Sovereignty of God? Do you think God is proud of your statement since He created Kathr the same way He created you? This is just a bias sexist remark from one, who thinks himself superior.
---Elder on 10/16/13


Mark 6:6

6 And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching.


here's one that Calvinists can't answer. If faith is a Scriptural gift given that only God can Give so that one can have faith, why did Jesus marvel, or why was he AMAZED at their unbelief?
---kathr4453 on 10/16/13


The Sovereignty of God vs free will.

Like comparing apples to oranges.

Many a Sovereign King, having complete power and total control over his/her people did not negate the free will of the subjects.

God is absolutely sovereign over His creation. that is why God has all power and authority to PUNISH SIN. That is why God has complete power and authority to save those who believe. God cannot go against His Covenant promises. Yet these Calvinists say God can do anything he wants NO HE CAN'T God cannot LIE OR practice duplicity.

They blaspheme the very nature of God.
---kathr4453 on 10/16/13


Markv, too funny. Now what about you, still bullying your wife?

Satan hates the message of the CROSS and I see you call it DUMB. So now tell us who here is glorifying Satan?
---kathr4453 on 10/16/13


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Well Mark V do you not know how to respond in a kind Christ like manner instead of being Chauvinistic?

A Sovereign GOD can give human being free will and still be Sovereign. A point you deny. The Bible says:
Jhn 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

You insist that the Bible does not mean what it says here. You also deny that this verse is true.


1Jo 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Yet you claim to be the only one correct. I believe we should take our doctrines from the Bible. Not come to the Bible with our minds already made up.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/16/13


Kathr, don't you have something better to do at home with your family, like washing clothes, or cleaning house, then to come on line and make dumb remarks? You have nothing for the glory of God, all you have is for the glory of the devil. He is getting a big boast from you everyday. Speak for the Lord, defend the Sovereignty of God, bring Him glory. Don't do the opposite.
---Mark_V. on 10/16/13


So MarkV why then is the message of the CROSS foolishness to you? You do not believe your old man was CRUCIFIED with Christ. You believe the old man was re-birthed, not crucified. You are an imposter.
---kathr4453 on 10/16/13


Steven, the Bible is for believers, unbelievers do not believe the Bible. Only believers like you and me believe the Bible. "For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us, who are being saved, it is the power of God" (1 Cor. 1:18). How can those passages be for them? They are for us who understand because we believe the Word of God. The passages you gave are great passages for us. Why do you not understand and believe the Truth?
Paul says,
"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek." (Rom. 1:16).
It's not the power of God to unbelievers. Only believers.
---Mark_V. on 10/16/13


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Steven 2: You posted my words first and then say it was foolishness:

"Mark_V.: "only the called will accept the gift." Then you say,
"What foolishness. The gift of salvation is to ANYONE who accepts it." Now read the passage you gave (Acts 2:38) to read (Acts 2:39).
"For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, "as many as the Lord our God will call"
The promise is for those the Lord our God will call. You say God's word is foolishness. Isn't that what the Bible tells of of those who are perishing? The message of the Cross to them that perish is foolishness. That is what you say.
---Mark_V. on 10/16/13


Col 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven, whereof I Paul am made a minister,

The Gospel is to be preached to everyone. Now some say that faith is a work. Faith comes to us from GOD.


Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

We choose to follow or deny. That is not a work.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/16/13


Mark_V.: "only the called will accept the gift."

What foolishness. The gift of salvation is to ANYONE who accepts it.

Matthew 5:24
Acts 2:38
Romans 5:16-18
Romans 6:23
Romans 11:28-31
Ephesians 2:8
Ephesians 4:8
Revelation 3:20

The verses above are preached to the unbelievers.

Then again, you may be thinking about the gifts of the Spirit as mentioned in 1 Corinthians, eh?


To Mark V: He that hates gifts shall live. A gift destroys the heart.
---Steveng on 10/15/13


Mark_V.: "A person has to have faith to accept the gift."

Why? Isn't the gift of salvation to anyone who wants it? The gift of salvation is preached to EVERYONE and those who accept the gift are the ones who will be saved.
---Steveng on 10/15/13


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Frederick, the Bible uses the word save in many senses, and many tenses. There is a sense in which we were saved from the foundation of the world, we are being saved by being in a justified state, we are being saved by being sancitified, and we will be saved, experience the consummation of our redemption in heaven. The Bible speaks of salvation in terms of past, present and future. That is why reading the context of the passage is very important. Another important fact to note is the Biblical aspect of the concept of salvation is that salvation is not a human action. Salvation is of the Lord. Human beings cannot save themselves. Salvation is a divine work, it is accomplished and applied by God. Salvation is of the Lord and for the Lord.
---Mark_V. on 9/22/13


Rita, genuine believers should want to be corrected when they are wrong. It has nothing to do with Predestination, it has to do with the Truth. You had said,
" What He did was a GIFT but a gift is of no use whatsoever if it is not accepted." Which is not true at all. A person has to have faith to accept the gift. In your statement anyone can accept the gift and be saved. But our salvation is not of our own works, "For by Grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is a gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast." (Eph. 2:8,9).
For even the devil believes and is not saved. God made us alive by His great mercy and love. When we were dead in trespasses and sins.
---Mark_V. on 9/21/13


Mark V I forgot nothing at all. I simply answered a five word question as it stood.
Nothing more was asked. It is you who chose to see fault in my response. You seem to be trying to start a debate about predestination by hijacking someone else's question. Start a new blog if that is what you wish but I think you'll find that one has been thrashed out many times before.
---Rita_H on 9/20/13


Rita, you are correct about salvation been a gift but you forgot to mention two things, only the called will accept the gift. Because the called have faith to accept the gift. The others who are not called always reject the gift. Here is why,
"The preaching of the Cross is to them that perish foolishness, but unto us which are saved it is the power of God" (1 Cor. 1:18) "to us who are saved already". To that Paul added, "but we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumbling block, and unto the Greeks foolishness, "but unto them which are called" both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God"
---Mark_V. on 9/19/13


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Hello,just want to give all respect to Bro.James L. your post you mention yes! God save from financial ruin over to financial security, stability..
God does expect us to be good stewards with what we have. Wonderfull post!
I had an experience where the Lord really I feel been teach me in this area.
Thankyou, Love of Jesus!
---Lidia4796 on 9/18/13


Rita_H beautiful is the word of truth. Thank you Jesus
---Bryan on 9/15/13


Frederick, what we are 'saved from' is the punishment (due to us for the sins we have committed). Jesus took that punishment FOR us so that we need not be punished. What He did was a GIFT but a gift is of no use whatsoever if it is not accepted. To be SAVED we must accept that Jesus did what scripture says He did and thank Him for doing that. We must also confess that we are, indeed, a sinner in need of a Saviour and that JESUS IS THAT SAVIOUR.

He died an agonising death so that we will not spend eternity in agony in hell.
---Rita_H on 9/14/13


"And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins."
---Nana on 9/13/13


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"SAVED FROM WHAT OR WHO??"
Saved from whatever or whoever opposes who we are in Christ.
"Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him." Rom 5:9
---josef on 9/13/13


Saved, ultimately, from Hell and the Lake of Fire.

In the here-and-now, Saved from the myriads of smaller deaths we experience in this life, caused by our sins, which rob us of a Blessed Life in GOD.

Saved unto GOD to do HIS Good Works and to shew HIS Power and Glory.

Saved unto a Life more abundant unto GOD and HIS people.

Saved from Sin, Evil, the Devil and Eternal Damnation.
---Gordon on 9/11/13


Thrive to Jn.11:25 ,26 " die daily" it's on going process, stay before my Lord Ep.4:26 Ps.64

'plead the Blood of Jesus!

I want to go to heaven!

stay pray up! Ps.51( don 't give place to the devil) Ep.4:27 Ep.4:26

I do believe there is a Hell..and I pray never end up there. Mt.5:22

Jesus to be my master Mt.26:39 obey His will, NOT mine.
Jesus took that place in my heart,my life.. Ps.37:5 our body is the temple of the holy spirit. I got to give my mind,my body,my soul... Ro.8:26 2Cor.10:4
---Lidia4796 on 9/11/13


It's not only saved "from" but also saved "to"

Being saved from financial ruin means being saved TO financial stability

Being saved FROM danger is saved TO safety


Christ came to save us:

FROM bondage under the Law, TO freedom

FROM death, TO life
---James_L on 9/11/13


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Saved from HELL! And victories over Satan, death and hell. Another reason why Jesus came, my friend.
---catherine on 9/10/13


What does this mean? Am I saved from sin and death? Am I saved from drug abuse? Am I saved from what? Please be more specific.

Glory to God!
---Monk_Brendan on 9/10/13


You're dying Frederick. Actually, if you aren't saved, a part of you (your spirit man) is already dead & don't know it. That's likely why you asked this question.

You can do nothing in your own strength to keep your flesh from dying. After it dies, if you aren't saved (born again, regenerated), you'll then be totally dead in torment (hell), yet keenly aware of your predicament.

Again, if you're not saved, you are dead right now though you have self awareness. Your mind (soul/mind) will exist forever regretting not choosing to be saved after you had the chance.

But if you choose to be saved, before your flesh dies, afterwards your spirit/soul (mind) will live in eternal happiness forever with God.
---Leon on 9/10/13


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