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Dinosaurs On The Ark

God commanded Noah to take at least one pair of every animal onto the ark. Were dinosaurs among them? If not, why not?

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Shira, Exodus 14 verses 16, 21 and 22 seem to make it clear that God parted the water and THEN Moses and the Israelites walked on dry land. I see no verse which says Moses stepped INTO THE WATER before it was divided.

It says they walked on DRY land.

This does not take away the fact that this must have been a huge leap of faith for all of them.

Do not be afraid. Stand still, and see the salvation of the Lord, which He will accomplish for you today. For the Egyptians whom you see today, you shall see again no more forever. The Lord will fight for you, and you shall hold your peace.

If there is a verse stating that Moses stepped in before the water was parted please give the verse as I wish to continue learning.
---Rita_H on 10/4/13


The Dinosaurs were those animals God created on the 6th day in (Genesis 1).
The Animals Noah took on the Ark, were those God created for Adam in the Garden of Eden in(Genesis 2).

Adam was not created on the 6 day. Adam and the Garden of Eden were made after God made the Earth.

Also, Cain's wife and the daughters of men(Genesis 6:4), came from those who were created on the sixth day.

Notice the animals were created before man in (Genesis 1) and the animals were created after Adam in (Genesis 2).

I hope this information dispels the Idea that God promoted incest during those days.
---David on 10/4/13


did you know God didn't part the waters until moses had already stepped in the water. a leap of faith.
---shira4368 on 10/3/13


Mark the Psalm is about the end of Noah's flood.

Psalm 104:9 "You set a boundary that they may not pass..."

Isaiah 54:9 "This is like the days of Noah to me: as I swore that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth,..."

Isaiah 54:9 makes it clear that Psalm 104:9 is saying that the waters would never again go over the earth. However Isaiah 54:9 makes my point on its own. Trav says 'earth' means a region, and if Trav is correct God got it wrong, as floods of all sizes have inundated regions countless times since. However if we accept what Scripture says (OT and NT) then God is correct (as we know He is) as the whole earth has never again been inundated by flood waters.

---Warwick on 10/2/13


Warwick, I don't know when the psalm was written. The context is about God laying the foundations of the earth (v.5) the author says,
"You who laid the foundations of the earth, so that it should not be moved forever, you covered it with the deep as with a garment, the waters stood above the mountains, At your rebuke they fled...." (Psalm 104:5-9). This is not the flood. The Psalm is called'
"Praise to the Sovereign Lord for His Creation and Providence."
1. The heavens and the earth created (1-4:1-9)
2. The needs of creatures ( v.10-18)
3. The sun and moon (v. 19-23)
4. The Sea and its inhabitants (v. 24-26)
5. God's Providential Care (v. 27-30)
6. Benediction to the Creator (v. 31-35).
---Mark_V. on 10/2/13




Mark, Psalm 104:6-9 refers to the flood. Gill writes "this was written after the flood, and when God had swore that the waters should no more go over the earth," He gives Isaiah 54:9 as a reference. "This is like the days of Noah to me: as I swore that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth,..."

I used this to show the local-flood idea is false as (I gave examples) there have been massive floods since Noah's flood. God says the waters would never again "cover the earth" and as the flood was world-wide He wrote Truth. But if the flood was local God is wrong, as countless massive, and small local floods have occurred since Noah's. time.

Does God write error Mark?
---Warwick on 10/1/13


Trav, tell the truth.
To knowingly misrepresent what I have written is to lie. And you know what God thinks about those who lie.
---Warwick on 9/30/13

GOD knows my heart and your misrepresentations. You did not specify global or "erets" the Hebrew truth.

My posts are not for you but for lambs/children/students not trapped like yourself in defending an unsupported doctrines. These lambs deserve "erets" truths. You run when no one is chasing.
Sheep and Lambs can and will see your errors.

Isa_55:5 Behold, thou shalt call a nation that thou knowest not, and nations that knew not thee shall run unto thee because of the LORD thy God, for the Holy One of Israel, for he hath glorified thee.
---Trav on 10/1/13


Warwick, I was wondering if you knew that Psalm 104: is talking about creation time (Gen. 1:9,10), not the flood that came in Noah's time. Second, there is the matter of whether the authors of Scripture are speaking through the eyes of God (as spokemen for God) particularly in moral matters. Or if they are speaking in narative matters describing things the way they appear to the author from a human perspective. I don't care much for Melton Terry but his description of the flood is to be understood Phenomenologically, from man's perspective. If the phrases in the passages are understood noumenologically (from God's perspective) then it was a Universal flood. I believe it was a Universal flood.
---Mark_V. on 10/1/13


Trav, Genesis explains how long it took before the flood covered all the high mountains on earth.
---Warwick on 9/30/13

I have a peace you will never experience. My Bible balances with science and knowledge we can access. You perceive science wrong/bad and you correct. Hebrew "erets" of GOD sets some very free in confirmation of GOD's scriptural witnesses.
You discourage where GOD encourages.
You've made the introverts defensive mistake on here in front your fellow church buddies and now only lose face recanting. Or you just can't see/hear....
Mar_4:11 he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
---Trav on 10/1/13


Trav, Genesis explains how long it took before the flood covered all the high mountains on earth. You apparently do not know. The flood took quite a while to do this, or do you imagine it was a flash flood which caught people unawares?

In your local-flood myth people (even flightless birds-if they indeed existed then) had sufficient time to move away, just as did the Israelites who fled a wide-spread drought, emigrating to Egypt.

In the Biblical account of the flood people and creatures could have moved to higher ground, world-wide, to escape the advancing flood-waters until they all died-Genesis 7:3. BTW the word used for "earth" in this verse is 'adamah' which in context means the whole earth, just as the NT says.
---Warwick on 9/30/13




Trav, tell the truth.

You wrote "Cluny his flightless birds can flee a global flood and or are evolved." My comments were not directed to someone who believes in a global flood, but to a believer in the nonBiblical local flood where both people and (in this instance) flightless birds who (if they existed at that time, and Scripture suggests they didn't) could walk away from a slowly rising local flood, to seek safety at higher altitudes or away from the flood zone.

To knowingly misrepresent what I have written is to lie. And you know what God thinks about those who lie.

BTW where did I say flightless birds "evolved"? In reality they have most likely devolved i.e. lost the ability to fly.
---Warwick on 9/30/13


Cluny you make unwarranted assumptions, that emu's etc existed then. Even if they did they are well able to flee a flood. Further there is no good reason to believe such birds are not descended from flying birds.

---Warwick on 9/30/13

Cluny his flightless birds can flee a global flood and or are evolved. Flipping and flopping from a form of evolutionist to fleeing a global miles deep flood.
If we asked about spray toads that can only live in a waterfall atmosphere.... probably evolved too. Or floating mat....but shouldn't they have been on the boat?
20,000+ birds plus food? He fade/evades any thing he is challenged with.
Pro_25:14 Whoso boasteth himself of a false gift is like clouds and wind without rain.
---Trav on 9/30/13


Trav, you incorrectly claim the flood was in a locality, not covering the whole earth, as the OT and NT says. In Psalm 104:9 God's word says "You set a boundary that they (flood waters) may not pass..." But if the floodwaters were in a locality, (no matter how large) not world-wide, God got it wrong as there have been massive floods in history, e.g. 1887 Henan, China a flood killed c900,000 people and covered 130,000 sq.km. One in 1931 "The Yellow River Flood", killed c4,000,000 million people. In your words the Psalm continues "so that they might not again cover part of the earth. But they have, I wonder who got it wrong, you or God?
---Warwick on 9/30/13


Trav, again you give non-answers.

Again I ask: If the flood was local, no matter how large why did Noah spend c100 years building a massive ark...

In your terms God is saying a local flood will never again occur. But they have.....
---Warwick on 9/29/13

No there hasn't been another flood on the scale of that flood.....350,000sq miles is not a county size flood. This is a 1 1/2 times the size of Texas. As I said they would not listen....like yourself. Choosing denial or another way. They were meant to perish. Noah's lineage did. Your's made it though just fine.

Isa_55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
---Trav on 9/30/13


Cluny you make unwarranted assumptions, that emu's etc existed then. Even if they did they are well able to flee a flood. Further there is no good reason to believe such birds are not descended from flying birds.

In reality chickens fly well. I have seen domestic chickens fly to the top of tall pine trees to roost the night out of reach of foxes. Chicken's wings are clipped to stop them flying away. As well as this it is again an assumption that chickens, as we know them, existed then.

We should also consider that Genesis 7:3 says God brought "fowls (birds) of the air" to the ark, which gives us excellent reason to believe the birds taken on board could fly, otherwise why would they be called "of the air"?
---Warwick on 9/30/13


\\If the flood was local why did God bring birds to the ark? They could have flown away!\\

Not necessarily, Emus, ostriches, and penguins can't fly.

Neither can most breeds of chickens.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/29/13


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Trav, again you give non-answers.

Again I ask: If the flood was local, no matter how large why did Noah spend c100 years building a massive ark when he and his family (like Lot) could have walked away?

If the flood was local why did God bring birds to the ark? They could have flown away!

"You set a boundary that they may not pass, so that they might not again cover the earth" Psalm 104:9. If the flood were local, as you claim, then God has lied. In your terms God is saying a local flood will never again occur. But they have, countless times since then. However if the flood was world-wide, as Scripture says then God has kept His word as there has not been another world-wide flood.
---Warwick on 9/29/13


Trav, you prove nothing.

Regarding Sodom and Gomorrah Lot left town to avoid destruction.
Why did Noah spend c100yrs building a massive ark if he and family could have walked away from your local flood?

Why did God bring birds....
---Warwick on 9/28/13

Sodom & Gom a small specific area was destroyed by fire rather than water.

GOD command was for a boat. Not forty boats. The story makes a point.....no one listened. Same as you. You prefer it your way. It was the Un Perfect Generations of Noah that was destroyed. Adams line.
Perhaps the local birds were subject to extinction and necessary. 10,000+ global bird species male/female (20m) and food chirp/testify against you rather than for.
---Trav on 9/29/13


Trav, Genesis 8:3 concerns the waters flowing away towards the flood's end, as detailed in Psalm 104:6-9:

"You covered it with the deep as with a garment,
the waters stood above the mountains.
At your rebuke they fled,
at the sound of your thunder they took to flight.
The mountains rose, the valleys sank down to the place that you appointed for them.
You set a boundary that they may not pass, so that they might not again cover the earth."

Note the mountains rose up, the valleys sank causing the flood waters to flow to where God had appointed for them to go after the flood, never again to cover the earth. Therefore no local flood as flood waters have covered large localities countless times since.
---Warwick on 9/28/13


Trav, you prove nothing. God says the flood waters rose above all the high mountains under all the heavens. You would have us believe they did this but did not flow away.-impossible.

Regarding Sodom and Gomorrah Lot left town to avoid destruction. Why did Noah spend c100yrs building a massive ark if he and family could have walked away from your local flood?

Why did God bring birds to the ark if it was a local flood?

Post-flood God said "Neither will I ever again strike down every living creature as I have done" Genesis 8:21 If the flood was local as you claim, God has lied as local floods have since devastated large areas of land destroying man and animals.

Your local flood story does not float.
---Warwick on 9/28/13


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Trav, you ignorantly hinted ... work for the money.
Are you paid for your work?
What stopped the waters above the mountains from flowing away ...
I await your answers with anticipation!
---Warwick on 9/27/13

Gen 8:3 And the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of the hundred and fifty days the waters were abated.

Gen 9:9 And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with your seed after you,
Ignorant introverts assume an anticipate......... most things going their way.
Pupiteering you've raised $$$$$.
My pay for the work? I've been paid already. Seeking Sheep is not work rather a passion. Chasing wolves and bears with a scriptural sling, the bonus.
---Trav on 9/28/13


Trav, you ignorantly hinted I am involved in Christian work for the money. In reality I am not paid for any of the work I do. Are you paid for your work?

BTW Scripture says all the high mountains under all the heavens were covered by the flood. This obviously means all the high mountains of the whole earth were covered but let us play your game, imagining all doesn't mean all! So we have a local flood with waters standing above the mountains for months. What stopped the waters above the mountains from flowing away until the mountains were no longer covered?

Also as we know there are always valleys between the mountains. What stopped the waters from flowing away through the valleys?

I await your answers with anticipation!
---Warwick on 9/27/13


Trav: Your anti-biblical, non-scientific theory of flood hydrodynamics is without merit.
---jerry6593 on 9/24/13

I was a Jerry once.
Until the Bible did speak. It spoke of "erets" over 1,600 times in the context of a historical area.
Simple math shows that there would need to be over forty boats like Noah's to house all the present non extinct animals and the "food".
Several civilizations march through the timeline. They didn't drown. Noah's lineage did.
And Mountains under water? Even 500' ft of (saline) water over grasses trees, shrubs, insects etc is enough to sterlize for eternity.

The book is about Adam,Noah, Abraham,Moses, Jacob and Israel. It's pretty simple.
---Trav on 9/27/13


Trav,
It does not take much imagination so see you resort to evasion because you have no answer. This one question alone makes nonsense of the nonBiblical local flood account.

How can water rest above all the mountain and not flow away?
---Warwick on 9/24/13

Ha. Evasion. You make every case of mine blindly. East of Pamir is the Tarim Basin. East of Eden. This area of mountains enclosed by mountains which is the answer you are too lazy to research yourself.
Flood was about Noah's generations demise. Other civilizations march right on through.

Gen 6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and "perfect in his generations", and Noah walked with God.
---Trav on 9/27/13


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Trav, you repeat my question but then evade answering it. It does not take much imagination so see you resort to evasion because you have no answer. This one question alone makes nonsense of the nonBiblical local flood account.

I pose it again: Further translating 'eres' as whole world in the Genesis flood account fits with all else said including all the mountains under all the heavens being covered by the flood. All of the mountains under all the heavens means the whole world, not local. How can water rest above all the mountain and not flow away? The local flood belief is illogical and unbiblical.

BTW it is a baseless assumption of yours that Mount Everest was c29,000 ft above sea lever at the time of the flood.
---Warwick on 9/24/13


Trav: Your anti-biblical, non-scientific theory of flood hydrodynamics is without merit. You are making the invalid assumption that the structure of the earth was the same before, during and after the flood. It was not! According to the Bible (which I happen to believe), not only did it rain a lot, but the "fountains of the deep" were "BROKEN UP". Within this statement, I believe, is the basis for plate tectonics, mountain up thrusting, and the formation of the deep ocean trenches into which the floodwaters receded. This theory holds water (so to speak), both biblically and scientifically. Yours holds neither.



---jerry6593 on 9/24/13


How can water rest above all the mountain and not flow away? The local flood belief is illogical and unbiblical.
---Warwick on 9/18/13

No,what is unbelievable is in this day and age someone like yourself...a former/somewhat intelligent being, builds a debate on a sand platform. Or a floating mat of veggies.

2Ti_4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears,
You've lip serviced foolishness so long you can't find a graceful way out.
---Trav on 9/23/13


Trav: Where does the Bible say that the oceans were five mies deep at the time of the flood? I must have missed it.
---jerry6593 on 9/22/13

You didn't miss it. A little math is required. According to the global version Mt Everest would be covered at just over 29,000ft.
Gila monsters and Sloths,marsupials floated to their specific spots according to some on floating mats of debris. They should have been on the boat. Without fresh water of course. These mats had acres of fields of grass,trees,shrubs,insects, numbering over 1/2 million variety's and with food ended up in their specific zones necessary for their life. The saline residue left on the earth had no effect in this head movie.
---Trav on 9/23/13


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Trav, ....vegetation islands which made it to the USA, one with a motorcycle upon it. No water pressure there.
---Warwick on 9/22/13

Ha,...and the motorcycle took seed and a honda dealership sprang up.

You are defending ignorance of your past preaching, going to wild extremes to maintain face.

An "erets" country/land flood leaves a "kiwi" dry and you can't acknowledge the truth of it.

Every multiple witnessed verse I've posted makes you more antagonistic. Typical I've found of the profe$$ion.
Deu_33:29 Happy art thou, O Israel: who is like unto thee, O people saved by the LORD, ... thine enemies shall be found liars unto thee, thou shalt tread upon their high places.
---Trav on 9/23/13


Trav, you seem to view things through naturalistic 'glasses', as opposed to Supernatural 'glasses.' If you applied this consistently then Jesus could not have raised the physically rotten Lazarus from the tomb, recreated and alive. The flood was no accident and God is well able to achieve whatever he wishes by supernatural or by natural processes He created.

How could necessary vegetation survive the flood by natural processes? Easy. Floods have been seen to create massive floating vegetation 'islands.' which have been seen to transfer animals and vegetation to lands distant. The Japanese tsunami caused such vegetation islands which made it to the USA, one with a motorcycle upon it. No water pressure there.
---Warwick on 9/22/13


Trav: Where does the Bible say that the oceans were five mies deep at the time of the flood? I must have missed it.



---jerry6593 on 9/22/13


Cluny crocodiles are not amphibians but are amphibious, as I said. Amphibious is defined in the Oxford Dictionary as: "relating to, living in, or suited for both land and water:" Saltwater crocodiles are definitely amphibious as they spend much of their life in the ocean. They have been seen many kilometres from land.

Nonetheless this is not the point. For some strange reason Trav imagines that water pressure at or near the surface (where crocodiles swim) increases as the water level rises. It doesn't so he has no point.
---Warwick on 9/21/13


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Trav, you still haven't answered my question: Where does God's word say all the insects grasses, and weeds had to be taken on the ark?
If you are correct....

Didn't do well at physics did you.
---Warwick on 9/19/13

Facts or speculation. Your point about seed/shrub/tree/insect/reptile etc is what makes my point. No it is not in scripture. It would be if there were a "global" flood. For nothing could have survived water pressure at 5miles deep. Which is not speculation but a fact.
---Trav on 9/21/13


\\BTW your comments about water pressure killing the reptiles are not realistic. Amphibious reptiles are surface dwellers therefore the height of water is irrelevant as the water pressure does not rise in their habitat\\

Amphibians and reptiles are two different taxons (phyla, I think).

"Amphibious reptiles" is a solecism. All reptiles lay eggs with hard shells on land. No amphibian does.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/20/13


Samuel, as a Bible believer you must know that no animals came, by any significant time-period, before any other, as all were created on days 5, and 6.
---Warwick on 9/20/13


Yes. We still have some of them living among us. Or you can say close relatives. But they went extinct after the flood. Just like many other animals. In fact we have animals living today who came before the dinosaurs.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/19/13


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Trav, you still haven't answered my question: Where does God's word say all the insects grasses, and weeds had to be taken on the ark?

If you are correct and are telling the truth it should be easy to answer but...

BTW your comments about water pressure killing the reptiles are not realistic. Amphibious reptiles are surface dwellers therefore the height of water is irrelevant as the water pressure does not rise in their habitat. Didn't do well at physics did you.
---Warwick on 9/19/13


CATS AND DOGS?!

Is that what you understand of the great flood during the time of Noah, when God destroyed mankind and every living thing on this earth? That God is teaching you to argue about which and what animals entered the ark? Seriously?

Goodness gracious!
---christan on 9/19/13


"...Whether there were any Canis lupus familiaris (ordinary dogs) on the Ark, I don't know.

However, there COULD have been house cats o[n] the ark..."---Cluny on 9/18/13


You don't know that for fact, do you? What makes you think there could've been domesticated animals on the ark?
---Leon on 9/19/13


Trav, my references show both 'Adamah' and 'eres' are used in Genesis 6. This matters not as both mean the whole earth in this context. The Hebrew Biblical dictionary defines 'eres' as world, earth, land, ground, soil, country, region, country. The first meaning is the 'world', 'eres' being the word used in Genesis 1:1 regarding the creation of the whole earth. Further translating 'eres' as whole world in the Genesis flood account fits with all else said including all the mountains under all the heavens being covered by the flood. All of the mountains under all the heavens means the whole world, not local. How can water rest above all the mountain and not flow away? The local flood belief is illogical and unbiblical.
---Warwick on 9/18/13


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\\You said my statement, "But, in Noah's day there likely weren't any domesticated dogs or cats, etc." wasn't true\\

Whether there were any Canis lupus familiaris (ordinary dogs) on the Ark, I don't know.

However, there COULD have been house cats of the ark.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/18/13


"...Which is true, if either, only God Himself knows.
Glory to Jesus Christ!"
---Cluny on 9/17/13


You said my statement, "But, in Noah's day there likely weren't any domesticated dogs or cats, etc." wasn't true & based your comments on Ussher's theories & present scientific hypotheses. Now, you say neither may be true ~ ONLY GOD KNOWS. Well, yeah, "ONLY GOD KNOWS" is the true basis of all truth & understanding. It's exceedingly far better to be taught scriptural understanding by Omniscient God, the Holy Spirit, than to be misled by spiritual & /or scientific intellectual people.

We'd all do well to base our Bible understanding on what only God says.
---Leon on 9/18/13


Trav, when put to the test you stumble. Again I ask:
Where does God's word say all the insects grasses, and weeds had to be taken on the ark?
What is this water pressure ...../
---Warwick on 9/17/13

Don't mistake skipping as a stumble.
What you see as mountains I moved with a prayer.


Water pressure? Really? If water is over your highest mountain it would be so great as to crush every living thing on the surface beneath. All trees die/rot,grasses,seeds,shrubs over months of submersion and water PSI.

The Hebrew word "erets" used over 1,600 times meaning land, country explains the flood without all your additions to scripture. Noah's lineage was erased. Not yours.
---Trav on 9/18/13


Trav, you make a mockery of God's word.
The word used for 'earth' in Genesis 6 is 'Adamah' which in this context means the whole earth.
---Warwick on 9/17/13

Scriptures make a mockery of your word perhaps. Not GOD's "erets" word. Happens, climbing n-another way.

Gen 6:17 behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth(776 Strgs Erets), to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven, and every thing that is in the earth(776 Strgs Erets) shall die.
776 strongs concordance
erets
eh'-rets
From an unused root probably meaning to be firm, the earth (at large, or partitively a land): - X common, country, earth, field, ground, land, X nations, way, + wilderness, world.
---Trav on 9/18/13


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\\Untrue?! Do you know for fact there were domesticated dogs & cats in Noah's day or are you merely basing your conclusion upon James Ussher's speculations Cluny?
---Leon on 9/17/13\\

I'm simply putting up both Ussher's chronology--upon which many people actually base their understanding of the Bible--with present scientific hypotheses, in this case about house cats: holding them side by side, as it were.

Which is true, if either, only God Himself knows.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/17/13


Trav, when put to the test you stumble. Again I ask:

Where does God's word say all the insects grasses, and weeds had to be taken on the ark?

What is this water pressure you say would have killed the reptiles?

On what basis do you say there were salt water and fresh water fish in existence at the time of the flood. Remember the present is not the key to the past.

Scripture tells us what animals had to be taken on the ark. What were they?
---Warwick on 9/17/13


"...House cats (Felis catus) speciated from African forest cats (Felis lybica) 5000 years ago, shortly BEFORE the Flood, according to Ussher's chronology..."
---Cluny on 9/17/13


Untrue?! Do you know for fact there were domesticated dogs & cats in Noah's day or are you merely basing your conclusion upon James Ussher's speculations Cluny?
---Leon on 9/17/13


Trav, you make a mockery of God's word.

For example God says representatives of the animal 'kinds' (not species) needed to repopulate the earth fitted on the ark, built, to God's specification. But you say NO I know better, we gotta have 40 arks!

The word used for 'earth' in Genesis 6 is 'Adamah' which in this context means the whole earth. This fits with God's word for just one example that ALL the high mountains under ALL the heavens were covered i.e. it was world-wide. Pertinently Scripture names in what locality and when God has brought calamity upon man, because of his sin e.g. Sodom and Gomorrah. But He names no locality here because the flood covered all the high mountains under the whole heavens-the whole earth!
---Warwick on 9/17/13


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\\But, in Noah's day there likely weren't any domesticated dogs or cats, etc.\\

This is not true.

House cats (Felis catus) speciated from African forest cats (Felis lybica) 5000 years ago, shortly BEFORE the Flood, according to Ussher's chronology.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/17/13


Cluny: Yes, a "kind/sort" (G6:19-20) of a dinosaur was on the Ark. Renowned paleontologist, Jack Horner, says they were "chickenosaurus". :) Here's just a little food for thought the next time you or any other CN blogger places an order at Church's, Popeye's or KFC.

Some tend to see ancient animals in a present day world view. But, in Noah's day there likely weren't any domesticated dogs or cats, etc. So, what are the common ancestors of these animals?

This question is "akin" to one asked previously: Were any descendants of Cain on the ark? If one believes G6:1-4, then there's certainly a possibility.

This is a good question Cluny despite the rooster squawking (cock fighting).
---Leon on 9/17/13


No Dino's.
Gen 7:21 ... uponH5921 the earth,H776 'erets
eh'-rets
From an unused root probably meaning to be firm, the earth (at large, or partitively a land): - X common, country, earth, field, ground, land, X nations, way, + wilderness, world.
------Blog question

I believe every word. Especially the Hebrew word "erets" meanings include, land and country.

All flesh in the land/country died. All animals in GOD's specific "erets" area would fit in a large boat.

Otherwise Noah needed over 40. Plus the food. Add tens 300,000 thousands variety's of grasses and shrubs/trees perishing under thousands of pounds PSI water pressure. 1million species of insects. Some that live for days.
---Trav on 9/16/13


"I've tried to give you sound doctrine, but you will not accept it." Cluny

O please, don't flatter yourself that your doctrine is sound. How is it sound when you by your own words:

- mock predestination as "pointless stuff" when the Lord Jesus Christ we are told was predestined to "die for the sins of His people", even after Peter even declared that "Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world", isn't this predestination screaming out in your face?

- that you profess freewill when Jesus declares otherwise?

Just two critical doctrines, and you say you have sound doctrines? Ya, right.
---christan on 9/16/13


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Monk B: "Even Orthodoxy recognizes that the earth was created billions of years ago."

Really? I didn't know that. That would explain Cluny. But I thought that Orthodoxy believed only that which came "straight" from the Bible via the Apostles. Since long age Evolution is refuted by the Bible, that would make Orthodoxy-Evolution an oxymoron.

The blog question is flawed. God actually commanded the UNCLEAN animals by two's and the CLEAN animals by sevens. Man has ALWAYS been commanded to refrain from eating UNCLEAN animals.




---jerry6593 on 9/17/13


Pairs of all creatures that have the breath of life in them came to Noah and entered the ark. The animals going in were male and female of every living thing, as God had commanded Noah. -Genesis 7:15-16

Every living thing that moved on land perishedbirds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out, people and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark. -Genesis 7:21-23
---Jed on 9/16/13


Yes, a "kind/sort" (G6:19-20) of a dinosaur was on the Ark Cluny. According to renowned paleontologist Jack Horner, they were "chickenosaurus" Just a little food for thought the next time you or any other CN blogger are placing an order at Church's, Popeye's or Kentucky Fried Chicken.

Good question! :)
---Leon on 9/16/13


Trav, where does God's word say all the insects grasses, and weeds had to be taken on the ark?

What is this water pressure you say would have killed the reptiles?

On what basis do you say there were salt water and fresh water fish in existence at the time of the flood. Remember the present is not the key to the past.

Scripture tells us what animals had to be taken on the ark. What were they?
---Warwick on 9/16/13


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christan, Proverbs says not to answer a fool according to his folly.

I've tried to give you sound doctrine, but you will not accept it.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/16/13


Cluny, wonder if you dare say "predestined to do your pointless stuff", with regards to Pilate, Herod and the Jewish people when we are told they were gathered together by God in Acts 4:27,28 to crucify His Son? Do tell if it says otherwise about predestination.

And you dare say, "but you clearly do not know how to apply them to yourself for your spiritual profit" and you do?

For you, the act of crucifying Christ is nothing but "predestined to do your pointless stuff", isn't it? You see, predestination may seem "pointless" to you, but it's PERFECT in the eyes of God when He sends souls to hell and saves His people... ALL JUST FOR HIS GLORY and no one else! Amen.
---christan on 9/16/13


Why even lead people to where God does not bring you? Is it important to know if dinosaurs were in the ark?
---christan on 9/12/13

Cluny may have been led.

Question is needed in that kids today question the impossibility of a world wide flood. It wasn't. This is a late doctrine that has persisted through ignorant preachers.

The key word is "erets" in Hebrew. It's usage was typical as in country or land. The whole land/country was flooded.
It would have taken over 40 boats to handle all the animals. All grasses, weeds, insects, retiles expire with extreme water pressure. Most fresh and salt water fish would expire with the mix. Was Noah's lineage that expired. Others march through the flood timeline.
---Trav on 9/16/13


\\Funny, I thought everything I say have been fully supported with Scriptures in chapters and verse numbers quoted.\\

I know you think so, but that's not so.

Satan and the pharisees quoted the scripture at Jesus, as well, but what did that prove?

You know how to parrot Bible verses, but you clearly do not know how to apply them to yourself for your spiritual profit.

But, I guess you can't be expected to do so, because you say you have no free will and are predestined to do your pointless stuff.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/15/13


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\\Btw Cluny, as usual you always "choose" to misunderstand me. \\

But you say that we don't have free will, so how can I choose to misunderstand you or do anything?

You're not making any more sense than you usually do, christan.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/15/13


\\My point was simply, Christ never told us to beware of such religion but those who preach the false Gospel. \\

Like you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/15/13


Btw Cluny, as usual you always "choose" to misunderstand me. You asked, "You don't think mahometans, Hindus, or Buddhists are TRUE prophets, do you?" Where did I confess they are "TRUE prophets" with reference to Matthew 7:15.

For your info, it's a given that "mahometans, Hindus, or Buddhists" are REPROBATES. There, you heard it direct from me. Happy?

My point was simply, Christ never told us to beware of such religion but those who preach the false Gospel. Like say, your kind of gospel. That's the warning of Matthew 7:15.
---christan on 9/15/13


"Wrong again as in everything else you say..." Cluny

Funny, I thought everything I say have been fully supported with Scriptures in chapters and verse numbers quoted.

O wait, sorry I forgot. You don't believe they are God-inspired as you spoke direct from that heart of yours, "If this is so, then why did mortal man add chapter and verse divisions to the Bible?"

Really ashamed you have a problem that the Bible is not God-inspired and to you, it was only written by mere "mortal man" only without the Spirit guidance.
---christan on 9/14/13


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\\ But if you want to bring this into the fray, you're telling us that the Holy Bible cannot be trusted, because it's been written by "mortal" man and it's definitely not "God inspired" at all. Because that's exactly what you're declaring.\\

Wrong again as in everything else you say, christan.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/14/13


Perhaps dinosaurs WERE on the ark. Or perhaps they were extinct before the flood took place?
---Jed on 9/14/13


"If this is so, then why did mortal man add chapter and verse divisions to the Bible?" Cluny

Please don't sidetrack this with your dinosaur theory. One has nothing to do with the others. But if you want to bring this into the fray, you're telling us that the Holy Bible cannot be trusted, because it's been written by "mortal" man and it's definitely not "God inspired" at all. Because that's exactly what you're declaring. So, where's your "faith" from God? And if that is so, our conversation should end here. Thank you and have a good day.
---christan on 9/13/13


even if the earth WAS created billions of years ago, God specifically said all LIFE whether man, animal or plant was created in the 1st 6 days. so according to scripture dinosaurs were in fact on the ark. We know they existed. Possibly the total climate change after the flood caused these creatures to die out.

christen, the Bible does not specifically say Ant Eaters were on the ark, but we know they were.
---kathr4453 on 9/13/13


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\\Even Orthodoxy recognizes that the earth was created billions of years ago.
---Monk_Brendan on 9/13/13\\

Not quite.

There are many devout Orthodox who believe in an old creation (for lack of a better term) and others, equally devout, who hold to a literal 6 day creation--Fr. Seraphim Rose among them.

But it's simply not the burning issue that some Protestants see it to be. It's certainly not believed to be something one's salvation hinges upon.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/13/13


Cluny, that is sophistry. Most educated people know that the dinosaurs died out 65 million years ago--and the ones that don't are not part of the scientific community.

Even Orthodoxy recognizes that the earth was created billions of years ago.
---Monk_Brendan on 9/13/13


\\God is short of saying to you "mind your own business" here. If there's no mention in the Bible to what you're searching for, stay out of His secret domain.
---christan on 9/12/13\\

If this is so, then why did mortal man add chapter and verse divisions to the Bible?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/13/13


"In other words, christan, you have no idea, and probably have not thought about it before, as the question caught you by surprise. And what makes you think that God did not bring me to ask this question here at this time?" Cluny

He did? Really? Wow!

Don't you get it? "The secret things belong unto the Lord our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law." Deuteronomy 29:29

God is short of saying to you "mind your own business" here. If there's no mention in the Bible to what you're searching for, stay out of His secret domain.
---christan on 9/12/13


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Because people cling to the silly notion that the creation days were merely 24 hrs. leads them to this question!
Dinosaurs were long extinct by the time Noah entered the ark! Day six was no 24 hour day!

God said to Adam "in the day(yom) you eat of it (forbidden fruit) you will surely die"
Bible says Adam lived 930 years "then" he died , that YOM was no 24 hours was it!
Think about it!
---1st_cliff on 9/12/13


\\Why even lead people to where God does not bring you? Is it important to know if dinosaurs were in the ark?
---christan on 9/12/13\\

In other words, christan, you have no idea, and probably have not thought about it before, as the question caught you by surprise.

And what makes you think that God did not bring me to ask this question here at this time?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/12/13


The Bible says, "And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee, they shall be male and female." Genesis 6:19, "There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah." Genesis 7:9

"The secret things belong unto the Lord our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law." Deuteronomy 29:29

Why even lead people to where God does not bring you? Is it important to know if dinosaurs were in the ark?
---christan on 9/12/13


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