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Here's another question about the Noah's ark. What was the significance of the distinction between the number of clean and unclean animals being brought into the ark? Mankind had not been given a blessing to eat animals by God until AFTER the Flood.

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Mark, strangely you avoid Isaiah 54:9 is this about the flood or not?

If Scripture is God's word, then it contains God's knowledge and understanding, therefore it is not the opinion of people who did not know what God does. Remember in Job and Isaiah we are told the world hangs in space upon nothing and is a globe. This was fact provided by God concerning things man did not then know.
---Warwick on 10/6/13


Mark, you did not understand what I wrote, please read it again.

Do you say Isaiah 54:9 is also not about Noah's flood? It clearly is and says He will never again flood the earth as He did in Noah's time. If Trav's local flood is fact (no matter how large) God is wrong as countless local floods have occurred since. But if world-wide as Scripture says, God has kept His word.

Trav has said his local flood covered 350,000 sq.mi. but he cannot know this as he wasn't there and has no eye-witness. Note also he said there are no countries as small as 350,000 sq.mi. when in fact there are dozens.
---Warwick on 10/5/13


The flood was not 1000 miles by 350 miles. The flood was a universal flood that covered the enitire globe. The Bible makes this very clear in several places throughout scripture, even outside of Genesis. God was never married.
---Jed on 10/5/13


Therefore, if Trav is correct God has lied as massive floods (covering areas larger than dozens of countries) have since occurred.
---Warwick on 10/4/13

GOD doesn't lie. Your flood doctrine does by the numerical and scientific knowns of today. We almost know how many species of all life forms. We know things not known 500years ago, like how large the earth is and that it isn't flat.
There has not been another flood on the scale of 1000 miles long and 350 miles wide....killing Noah/Israelites since.
GOD was married too.....wanna discuss that? Or would you rather avoid?

Gen_9:20 And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard:
---Trav on 10/5/13


Warwick, I know you will not belief the passages in (Psa. 104 ) are about the foundation of the world. That's ok. You disregarded the perspective of the author in Genesis 6-9) The authors of Scripture sometimes wrote as if looking through the eyes of God (as spokemen for God) especially in moral matters, but in narative sections they frequently describe things the way they appear from a human perspective (as reporters speaking phenomenologically. To answer the question correctly about the flood a student of Scripture needs to find out the context whether the language in Gen. 6-9 was intended to be understood from God's Perspective, or the authors perspective that could mean (all the animals that he could observe died."
---Mark on 10/5/13




Mark, I believe your understanding of Psalm 104:6-9 is incorrect. However see Isaiah 54:9 "This is like the days of Noah to me: as I swore that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth,..."

Obviously this is about the flood (saying the same thing-the waters never again covering the earth as does Psalm 104:9). Trav claims that when God says the "earth" in the flood epic He means some locality, not the whole earth. However countless floods have occurred since Noah's flood. Therefore, if Trav is correct God has lied as massive floods (covering areas larger than dozens of countries) have since occurred.

But God doesn't lie and doesn't make mistakes so is telling us the Flood was world-wide.
---Warwick on 10/4/13


Mark, you believe Psalm 104:6-9 is not about the Flood.

Isaiah 54:9 "This is like the days of Noah to me: as I swore that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth,..."

This is about Noah's Flood. Therefore If you are correct you have God, pre-Flood, saying no more world-wide Flood, He again covers the earth, and then again says it will never happen again, again. In your belief if the Flood was global God is wrong. If as sceptics say, the flood was local, God is again wrong

If both the Psalm and Isaiah concern the Flood God has not got it wrong, and the Flood was global.
---Warwick on 10/4/13


Warwick, I still cannot understand why you assume (Psa. 104:5) is talking about the flood. You disregard the passages before and after (v.9). The whole explanation of the creation is mentioned when God laid the foundation of the earth in (v. 5). You say:
"Isaiah 54:9 makes it clear that Psalm 104:9 is saying that the waters would never again go over the earth." That's not what (v. 104:9) says.
"At the time of creation all the provisions were given for Adam and Eve to survive. You took the word "again" to apply it to the flood and rejected all the other passages in the context. But it is ok Warwick, I cannot convince you. I understand.
---Mark_V. on 10/4/13


Mark the Psalm is about the end of Noah's flood.

Psalm 104:9 "You set a boundary that they may not pass..."

Isaiah 54:9 "This is like the days of Noah to me: as I swore that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth,..."

Isaiah 54:9 makes it clear that Psalm 104:9 is saying that the waters would never again go over the earth. However Isaiah 54:9 makes my point on its own. Trav says 'earth' means a region, and if Trav is correct God got it wrong, as floods of all sizes have inundated regions countless times since. However if we accept what Scripture says (OT and NT) then God is correct (as we know He is) as the whole earth has never again been inundated by flood waters.
---Warwick on 10/4/13


While GOD never did say he began creation on Sunday. He did say he ended it on Saturday.

Exd 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Gen 2:2,3 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Saturday is the Seventh day of the week. Sunday is the first day.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/3/13




Warwick, I believe where you have a problem is when you want to make something exact and the Bible does not mean exact. I know you have a good reason because there is many heretic and skeptics. That's why I am with you on almost all arguements you make. But God never said He gave free will to man, God never said He started creation on Sunday and rested on Saturday, God also wanted us believers to do many things that are not possible for us to do. Scripture is written by man, who many times put their own feelings and emotions, not the feelings of God of His emotions. They also speak from their perspective and also speak from God's perspective. We need to know this things and take them into account when we study the Word of God.
---Mark_V. on 10/3/13


Mark as I assume everyone knows we call our days 24hrs as a matter of convenience. That they may be seconds longer or shorter than this changes nothing. Likewise someone says they are 50 years of age when in fact they are 50 years 3 months, 2 days, 4 hours, 6 minutes and wait for it 44, no that's 45 no that's ...seconds.

Why would you imagine I believe the days are exactly 24hrs long?
---Warwick on 10/2/13


\\Cluny apparently you do not understand figures of speech.\\

Just as I though, Warwick. You're a sceptic.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/2/13


Warwick 2: As I said before if God meant for each day to be exactly 24 hours and we know they are not, that would mean He lied to us. But He did not lie, it was about 24 hours. We should be happy with just that, not try to find God lying. Because the day is not exactly 24 hours, but 23 hours and 56 min. 4.1 seconds.
---Mark_V. on 10/2/13


Warwick:

You said: what you seem to be saying is that ...

I never said he can't light the earth. But we measure days based on the relative position of the sun, in one point in space. If that light comes from elsewhere (i.e. NOT the sun, as it wasn't there yet), we couldn't count sunrises and sunsets.

people only oppose 24hr creation days if they want to allow for long-ages, to allow time for microbe to man evolution.

I am not opposing 24 hour creation days, so this doesn't apply to me.

This description fits only with one time period, that being a 24hr day.

Again, I am NOT arguing what the Bible MEANS. I argue what it ACTUALLY SAYS. And it NEVER SAYS "24 hours" anywhere.
---StrongAxe on 10/1/13


Cluny apparently you do not understand figures of speech. Jesus said "I am the vine, you are the branches. Those who remain in me, and I in them, will produce much fruit." "Fruit" is that apples, or a figure of speech? " The meaning is not literal but a figure of speech.

However regarding the days of creation their length is defined in Genesis 1:3-5. The creation epic is written in prosaic Hebrew, not in figures of speech, and is therefore to be taken as written, as sober history just as Jesus and the apostles always did. Why don't you?

Exodus 20:8-11 also tells us how long the days are right within the 10 Commandments. Are they just figures of speech, or to be taken as written? Please tell me.
---Warwick on 10/2/13


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Warwick, I am not a skeptic but I believe in using hermeniutics. The authors of Scripture were not trying to give every detail in Genesis. What they gave was enough for us to understand the context. (Gen. 1:5) does say day. But that day could have been an extended day or a shorter day. We don't know. What we know is that God established the pattern of creation in 7 days. "Day" in (1:5) can refer to
1. the light portion of a 24 hour period,
2. an extended perion of time (v.2,4) or
3. the 24 hour period which basically refers to a full rotation of the earth on its axis, calling evening and morning.
24 hour days did not occure until (V. 1:14,15). Another thing, a day does not have exactly 24 hours.
---Mark_V. on 10/2/13


\\Cluny, StrongAxe, yourself and others are sceptics as you refuse to accept what Scripture plainly says\\

Warwick, Jesus said, "This is My Body. This is My Blood."

Do you accept what Jesus plainly says here?

Or do you reject it and explain it away to mean "neither My body nor My blood"?

If you do so this latter, YOU are a skeptic by your own standard.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/1/13


Mark, my long experience in this field has shown me people only oppose 24hr creation days if they want to allow for long-ages, to allow time for microbe to man evolution.

We all know what 6 days are so why did the Bible translators write 6 days if it was not 6 days?

Numbers 7:12 "He who offered his offering the first day was Nahshon.." You well know this means 24hr day. If it doesn't God's word in meaningless, or misleading. Genesis 1:5, reads "And there was evening and there was morning, the first day." Do you say the "first day" is not the same as "the first day"? If so how can we know what it means anywhere in the Bible?
---Warwick on 10/1/13


StrongAxe, God's word was written for all people for all time, including those who did not/do not count time by hours. Therefore God has carefully described what constituted the "first day" and describes the following 5 days of creation in that manner. ' This description fits only with one time period, that being a 24hr day. You know, and I know that when we say 6 days we mean 6 24hr days.

Comprehension is the study of language to comprehend what the writer is saying. So let me propose a test and see if you pass "The one who brought his offering on the first day was Nashon." What is the length of this day?
---Warwick on 10/1/13


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StrongAxe, what you seem to be saying is that God cannot light the earth, causing evening and morning days without the sun. But He did, and He says so. You limit God to what you can understand/believe. You are definitely a sceptic.
---Warwick on 10/1/13


Warwick:

yourself and others are sceptics as you refuse to accept what Scripture plainly says.

Where? Please quote my exact words. What I argue is what Scripture does not say, plainly or otherwise.

When challenged you can provide no Scripture.

I did. EVERY VERSE in EVERY BIBLE BOOK makes NO MENTION of "24 hours" with respect to "day".

I have not said that these aren't true - just that scripture does not actually say them.

Would it make any difference to the light if it was either of these or something entirely different?

No, but if it came from elsewhere than the sun, it makes measuring time by it different.
---StrongAxe on 10/1/13


Warwick, I know you are trying to speak for the Word of God, but I believe in this case you are wrong. Many things were not totally explained in Genesis. Many commentaries give you some inside, but it is still man's opinons not found in the Bible. You want to be exact on every passage but not all passages are exact. Strongaxe has a good point. I don't see him arguing to oppose the Word of God, he is only speaking for what is there only. If God had said a day is 24 hours, we would know it is not exactly 24 hours, the reason we have a leap year. God wasn't trying to be exact, He was making it simple for us to understand, that it was about 24 hours.
---Mark_V. on 10/1/13


Cluny, StrongAxe, yourself and others are sceptics as you refuse to accept what Scripture plainly says. You hold to opinions, which are contradicted by Scripture. And you defend them passionately. When challenged you can provide no Scripture to support your nonBiblical ideas but that does not bother you at all. You write in opposition to Scripture therefore are BiblioSceptics.
---Warwick on 9/30/13


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\\Cluny, a sceptic is what a sceptic does.
---Warwick on 9/29/13\\

And disagreeing with your interpretation of the Bible is not the defining act of a sceptic.
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/30/13

Amen Cluny. If a or this preacher says it....it merits verification with the Prophets and Apostles. GOD gave chosen men authority bearing the test of time and scrutiny.
I can't find this guy verified by sign, mark or prophet. Except in parables he doesn't understand. A mark unto itself.
Pro_14:5 A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies.
1Jn_5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
---Trav on 9/30/13


\\Cluny, a sceptic is what a sceptic does.
---Warwick on 9/29/13\\

And disagreeing with your interpretation of the Bible is not the defining act of a sceptic.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/30/13


Cluny, a sceptic is what a sceptic does.
---Warwick on 9/29/13


\\Relevantly verse 6 reads "And without faith it is impossible to please God," Can you please God with your passionate scepticism?
---Warwick on 9/29/13\\

I know StrongAxe in real life. And while we do not agree about everything, I can assure you that StrongAxe is NOT a skeptic.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/29/13


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StrongAxe, do you know what form the light from the sun is? Is it from thermo nuclear reaction or gravitational collapse? Would it make any difference to the light if it was either of these or something entirely different? If you were prepared to believe God He says He made light which lit the earth bringing about-"the first day." It is obvious you have extraBiblical beliefs which force you to reject Scripture.

Hebrews 11:3 "By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God,...." And this in a chapter about faith.

Relevantly verse 6 reads "And without faith it is impossible to please God," Can you please God with your passionate scepticism?
---Warwick on 9/29/13


Warwick:

Read Genesis 1:3-5

What form was the light in? Genesis doesn't say. On day 4, God created the sun and moon - which, therefore, did not exist before that. So any information about what "evening" and "morning" meant before that MUST be pure conjecture, because they could NOT have meant "sunset" and "sunrise", as there was no sun yet to set and rise.

He could not be more precise in describing 1 24hr day

He could have ACTUALLY said "24 hours", but he never did, anywhere in the Bible.

God is not imprecise

Genesis doesn't say what "evening" and "morning" mean, which is problematic for days 1-3 (see above)
---StrongAxe on 9/28/13


Cluny, from your high orthodox chair you say,
"Don't fuss at me because you don't know how to use standard English. I learned it back in elementary school. Why didn't you?"
I didn't because I was not as smart are good looking as you, or had the great mind you have. Standard English was not my first language. You should open your own website so that others like me can go and ask you for correct spelling words. You are so great.
---Mark_V. on 9/27/13


Don't fuss at me because you don't know how to use standard English. I learned it back in elementary school. Why didn't you?

Why does it make you happy to say "precised" three times and unhappy to find out the proper word is "precise"?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/26/13


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Cluny, you understood very well what I was saying. If it makes you happy the word precise does not have an "ed" at the end. You could have used your answer for a better purpose. Your answer was not for the glory of God, it was for your own glory.
---Mark_V. on 9/26/13


\\Strongaxe, I believe the reason why God was not precised in many areas was because that was not the message He was trying to give us on the context of the passages. Many times things are precised\\

There's no such word as "precised."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/25/13


Strongaxe, I believe the reason why God was not precised in many areas was because that was not the message He was trying to give us on the context of the passages. Many times things are precised and other times they are not. For instance in the matter of numbers they are always not precised. When we read 10,000 died, it could be give or take sometimes 50 more or fifty less, or twenty more or twenty less, but we get the message of the message, at least 10,000. I see this happening in many passages concerning other topics. Not all the time, but many times.
---Mark_V. on 9/25/13


StrongAxe, thanks for the apology.

God is not imprecise but explains His unfolding creating in language anyone (whether they have hours or not) will readily understand. He is describing 1 day, as they and we live.

Read Genesis 1:3-5, God created light shining upon the earth. Immediately we have the globe part in light (day/daylight), part in the darkness (night) as we still do today. "And there was evening and there was morning-the first day." The first ever day! In the Middle East today day begins with "evening" followed by "morning" (daylight), which continues to the next "evening", when the next evening and morning day begins. He could not be more precise in describing 1 24hr day!
---Warwick on 9/24/13


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Warwick:

I reposted my question on the "day" blog because I didn't see your response here.

I apologize for misunderstanding your position about Biblical literacy. But my question remains:

Why, if God is imprecise in his wording in certain areas, and that is presumably good enough for him, why is that not good enough for you? Why do you feel compelled to add precision to what God has felt was precise enough?
---StrongAxe on 9/24/13


To some extent all Calvinist think of non Calvinists as a cult. That is shown in these discussions daily. Mr. Anthony A. Hoekema also a strict Calvinist considers us a cult. I read his book the Four Major Cults. Part of the reason he defined us as a cult is our belief in Free Will.

By the way attacking Walter Martin personally does not make him wrong.

I believe in JESUS and I am saved by Grace through Faith not of works. Salvation is a gift of GOD.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/24/13


Cluny:

Notice that Cluny is not answering the question that was asked, but is indulging in ad hominem attacks and personal insults.

Cluny, if you have nothing to say, why waste a post?

Do you recognize your own words?

You are of the pseudo-Orthodox church that believes (as does Walter Martin) that salvation is gained by bashing other denominations. I wonder if Martin also had a brain chemical imbalance.

Glory to the REAL Jesus Christ (as opposed to the false one created by post-apostolic apostates)!




---jerry6593 on 9/24/13


\\Dr. Martin who wrote the Book on cults says we are not a cult. Yet you despise us for not believe in you.\\

Dr. Martin has his own problems. He denied on TV that Mary was truly Theotokos, and John Ankerberg had to shut him up before he dug himself into a deeper hole.

And Van Baalen (I think that's the spelling), a Dutch Calvinist, in his book CHAOS OF CULTS, considered SDA to be a cult.

FWIW, when an SDA becomes and Orthodox Christian, he must be received by canonical Orthodox baptism.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/23/13


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Samuel, who is dr. martin? do you need someone to tell you what a cult is? I am Baptist and I have a family member who told me I was in a cult. guess she thinks following Jesus is the cult she was talking about.
---shira4368 on 9/23/13


Well Cluny I believe in the JESUS CHRIST as taught in the Bible and the Gospels. Dr. Martin who wrote the Book on cults says we are not a cult. Yet you despise us for not believe in you.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/23/13


\\Glory to the REAL Jesus Christ!\\

Amen. Too bad SDAs don't believe in Him.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/23/13


Clueless: "jerrymander"

Cute, but I fail to see how voter redistricting has anything to do with the subject. I wish that I could undo the criminal redistricting done by your liberal democrat buddies.

Glory to the REAL Jesus Christ!




---jerry6593 on 9/23/13


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God told Noah to get male and female of every animal. now the bible don't tell us how many animals were on the ark but God who sends the floods can control animals on the ark.
---shira4368 on 9/22/13


jerrymander, I have made only ONE entry with C, and that, as I said was a mistake on my part.

I don't know who the other 5 Cs is or are, there is no reason why they are all the same person, but they are NOT I.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/22/13


There was a connection between the regulations about uncleanness and God's holiness. Following the list of unclean foods, God declared, "You shall be holy, for I am holy" [Lev. 11:44]. Whatever animal had a cleft hoof and chewed the cud was clean and therefore suitable for food. Any animal that did not meet these specifications was unclean and consequently was not to be eaten. In studying I also find, that it was a matter of obedience [Forbidden fruit]. Unclean>>>dog, vampire bat, hippo, hyena, crocodile. Clean>>>deer, antelope, oxen. The cameL: the Israelites considered unclean, but the Arabs ate Camel meat no part went to waist, wove soft fur into warm durable cloth. There were more cean than unclean animals.
---catherine on 9/22/13


StrongAxe I just noticed that on another thread you again said I take the Bible literally. I have told you that this is not true, before. If you continue to misrepresent my beliefs you are committing untruth. I do not take the Bible literally but as written, at face value, unless there is good reason not to do so. If you cannot understand what this means please ask and I will explain.

I add 24hrs to the days of Genesis creation, and sometimes elsewhere, to be specific. I do this because this is what God means by 1 day, as demonstrated throughout the Bible. There are those, who for nonBiblical reasons cannot accept the obvious truth.
---Warwick on 9/21/13


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Dr. of Lies Cluny: "That was a keyboard use mistake on my part."

BUMF! (To quote an expert.)

I know what it takes to create a CN name, and a single typo won't get it. The fact that you continued to use this "mistake" multiple times also belies this assertion.

Face it Lee, you have a problem with deception, and a penchant for using multiple names. Such behavior glorifies Satan rather than Jesus Christ. Deal with it!

Glory to the REAL Jesus Christ!




---jerry6593 on 9/21/13


If I may, with Dr. C's permission, return to the topic at hand....

"What was the significance of the distinction between the number of clean and unclean animals being brought into the ark?"

First, the fact that God mentioned the distinction to Noah implies that man was forbidden to eat the unclean from that time on - not first when reiterated by Moses on Mt. Sinai. Second, there were only two (male and female) of each unclean animal. If one of them had been eaten, that "kind" would suffer extinction. Third, People were vegetarians previously (Gen 1:29), but the flood wiped out all the plant food so clean animals were provided as food until crops could be harvested.




---jerry6593 on 9/21/13


\\But wow! You have yet another new name, "C".\\

That was a keyboard use mistake on my part.

But as far as the rest, jerryrigger, keep on blessing me and increasing my heavenly treasure.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/20/13


\\I do not believe EGW was verbally inspired. She was wrong about some things\\

Good for you, Samuel.

However, this is NOT what EGW believed about herself:

When I sent you a testimony of warning and reproof, many of you declare it to be merely the opinion of Sister White. You have thereby insulted theSpirit of God.1 Selected Messages, 27.

"If you lessen the confidence of God's people in the testimonies he has sent them, you are rebelling against God as certainly as were Korah, Dathan and Abirum" (Testimonies, Vol. 5, p. 66)

Draw your own conclusions. I have obviously drawn mine.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/20/13


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Dear Strong Axe and Leon both of you make good correct points. Thank you.

As for the use of amalgamation of men and animals use by EGW. At that time it was considered to be a science point. In fact latter on Russian scientist tried to figure out how to put human heads on ape bodies. It could refer to bestiality. But I will make this point. I do not believe EGW was verbally inspired. She was wrong about some things. Like Jacob was wrong for believing that putting striped sticks caused the animals to have stripes. Genesis 30.

I see the Doctrine of the Bible that EGW agrees with and that is part of the reason I accept her. Since you do not agree with the doctrine we teach you are right to reject her for that reason alone.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/19/13


StrongAxe, think really really really hard and ask yourself if that's what the account of Noah is all about - "clean and unclean animals being brought into the ark".

Is that what the account of Noah was supposed to teach us all? The epistles doesn't even breathe a word of such a "significance" of this issue you guys seem so fascinated with.

Instead of discussing what the significance of God saving only eight souls out of the rest of mankind, or what the ark was pointing to or why Jesus mentioned the flood during Noah's time (Matthew 24:37). See the foolishness in this "clean and unclean animals" discussion?
---christan on 9/20/13


Dr. C: I see that you now have a PhD in Applied Stupidity as well as Circumlocution. You need to return to school and learn how to read. You have substituted the word "with" for the word "and", as your own quotation shows. This subtle sophistry changes the meaning from amalgamations among animals and amalgamations among men to amalgamations between man and animals. Sick!

This is your own blog. It is about clean vs. unclean animals, and yet you derail it with some stupid, irrelevant, anti-SDA hate speech.

But wow! You have yet another new name, "C". It is evident that you really are Lee of Many Names.

Glory to the REAL Jesus Christ!




---jerry6593 on 9/20/13


\\Lie number 237! EGW NEVER wrote that man was amalgamated "with" beasts.\\

2 quotes from THE WHITE ESTATE website:

But if there was one sin above another which called for the destruction of the race by the flood, it was the base crime of amalgamation of man and beast which defaced the image of God, and caused confusion everywhere. God purposed to destroy by a flood that powerful, long-lived race that had corrupted their ways before him.--Spiritual Gifts, vol. 3, p. 64.

Since the Flood there has been amalgamation of man and beast, as may be seen in the almost endless varieties of species of animals, and in certain races of men.--Page 75.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---C on 9/19/13


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Dr. Cluny: "I hope you're not referring to the sick fantasy of EGW about hybrids resulting from the "amalgamation [her word] of men with beasts."

Lie number 237! EGW NEVER wrote that man was amalgamated "with" beasts. However, had she met you, she might have changed her mind.




---jerry6593 on 9/19/13


...I believe we are more than our biology..."
---Cluny on 9/17/13


Of course we are since mankind, not the animals, is made in the image of God! :)
---Leon on 9/17/13


Samuelbb7:

Just because a law had not yet been given formally doesn't mean that people didn't previously know it informally (or from some other source). The Code of Hammurabi predates Moses by a fair bit, and contains many of the samee laws. You can also bet that Cain knew that murder was wrong, long before "thou shalt not kill".


christan:

Could you please enlighten us as to how any of the verses you posted have any bearing on the blog question? None of them has anything to do with the distinction between clean and unclean animals.
---StrongAxe on 9/17/13


\\However, would you not agree man is a mammal (a warm-blooded vertebrate) superior (made in the image of God) to all others?\\

Yes, on the biological level, but I believe we are more than our biology.

\\ Does not the Bible comparatively & figuratively refer to men as dogs, foxes, wolves, sheep, lambs, goats, eagles, lions, etc.?\\

OK. I see your point. Your posting was a bit confusing at first. Thanks for clarifying.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/17/13


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Cluny: I certainly didn't mean to trip you up with my little play on a word. :) I believe EGW was a false-teacher, period! However, would you not agree man is a mammal (a warm-blooded vertebrate) superior (made in the image of God) to all others? Does not the Bible comparatively & figuratively refer to men as dogs, foxes, wolves, sheep, lambs, goats, eagles, lions, etc.?
---Leon on 9/17/13


\\After the flood there was an awful lot of dead bodies ("man"imals & animals) littering the land.\\

Leon, what do you mean by "'man'imals"?

I hope you're not referring to the sick fantasy of EGW about hybrids resulting from the "amalgamation [her word] of men with beasts."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/16/13


After the flood there was an awful lot of dead bodies ("man"imals & animals) littering the land. The Bible shows God had, long before the flood, formulated a solution to the problem. It's no wonder He forbade us from eating scavengers & carrion eaters. Animals such as pigs, bears, vultures & raptors, etc., can eat & thrive on decaying flesh.

Also, though they weren't on the Ark, bottom dwellers such as lobsters & crabs scavenge for dead animals on the sea floor. Shell fish such as oysters, clams & mussels similarly consume decaying organic matter that sinks to the sea floor, including sewage.

Bottom line: WASTE MANAGEMENT designed by God to clean up the cursed mess caused by man's sin.
---Leon on 9/16/13


"...How did Noah know which animals were clean & ... unclean....?

Also...what was the reason for not eating unclean animals?"
---Samuelbb7 on 9/13/13


Samuel: To answer your first question, GOD told him. (G7) Noah knew long before "GOD" told Moses! :)

Regarding your second question, a common denominator of many of the animals God designates as unclean is that they routinely eat flesh (decaying & diseased) that would sicken or kill us. When we eat such animals we partake of a food chain that includes things harmful to people.

You know the saying, "You are what you eat." Eat healthy, be healthy. Otherwise...
---Leon on 9/16/13


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"In the mouth of the foolish is a rod of pride: but the lips of the wise shall preserve them.

Go from the presence of a foolish man, when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge. A wise man feareth, and departeth from evil: but the fool rageth, and is confident.

The crown of the wise is their riches: but the foolishness of fools is folly. The tongue of the wise useth knowledge aright: but the mouth of fools poureth out foolishness.

The heart of him that hath understanding seeketh knowledge: but the mouth of fools feedeth on foolishness."
---christan on 9/14/13


Samuel, God told noah to do something and noah did it. how did they stay on the ark for 40 days with no way to potty? that in itself is a miracle. how did noah store enough food to feel all the animals? another miracle. how bout when the time comes to reproduce? God was in control all that. Is a picture of salvation.
---shira4368 on 9/14/13


Samuelbb7, since no one has attempted to answer your inquiry I will.
"How did Noah know which animals were clean and which were unclean?"
Through the direct Divine inspiration of The Father, set apart for the enlightenment of man, known by most as the Holy Spirit.
"What was the reason for not eating unclean animals?"
For both health reasons, and the preservation of the species.
Most unclean animals are either scavengers, whose purpose is to cleanse the earth, or predators, whose purpose is to control the animal population. Others, like horses, camels, etc. were simply created to serve man in ways not associated with food.
---Josef on 9/14/13


Animal sacrifices were a part of following God and these were always clean animals. Noah build an altar and sacrificed when they came out of the ark.
---therese on 9/14/13


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\\"The lips of the righteous feed many:\\

Your lips don't feed anyone, christan.

But I realize that your pointless postings here are something you have no control over.

At least, that's what you think.

Your postings of scripture verses are as pointless as when Satan and the pharisees tried quoted the Bible to Jesus.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/14/13


A follow along question. How did Noah know which animals were clean and which were unclean. Since Moses had not written Leviticus yet?

Also another question what was the reason for not eating unclean animals?
---Samuelbb7 on 9/13/13


"The lips of the righteous feed many: but fools die for want of wisdom. It is as sport to a fool to do mischief: but a man of understanding hath wisdom.

The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise. A prudent man concealeth knowledge: but the heart of fools proclaimeth foolishness.

Every prudent man dealeth with knowledge: but a fool layeth open his folly. He that walketh with wise men shall be wise: but a companion of fools shall be destroyed."
---christan on 9/13/13


\\but fools despise wisdom and instruction. How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?\\

That's you all over, christan.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/13/13


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"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?

Forsake the foolish, and live, and go in the way of understanding. The wise in heart will receive commandments: but a prating fool shall fall.

He that hideth hatred with lying lips, and he that uttereth a slander, is a fool."
---christan on 9/13/13


christan, if you don't know the answer to a question, don't answer it.

Quoting verses that do not apply to a given matter makes you look sillier than you doubtless are.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/13/13


"Here's another question about the Noah's ark. What was the significance of the distinction between the number of clean and unclean animals being brought into the ark?" Two pairs of each of unclean animals was brought into the Ark to preserve the species. Seven pairs of each of the clean animals was brought in for the same reason. However, in addition to the preservation of the prey species, Father of course knew that clean anmals would be eventually required for levitical sacrafice, as well as allowed for consumption by man.
---joseph on 9/12/13


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