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Suicide Sends To Hell

Is suicide a sin that will send you to hell? Seems to me if you kill yourself, you have no time to repent of it. also if you say suicide victims go to heaven, would that not make many Christians think," wow, lets off myself now to be with Jesus in that mansion in the sky." what do u think?

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So there ya go folks, MarkV states God has FORCED suicide on those who have committed suicide. These poor souls are nothing but Robots. But wait, do Robots have emotions? Can they feel, reason, have a conscience, and if in fact robots, then God too is a robot. Markv, Me thinks you've been watching too many Si-Fi flicks.

SICK SICK SICK!

People markv is a liar and does not represent God at all, but the god of his own imagination. He needs to feel important so he has adopted a doctrine that makes him feel special. Seriously delusional people do need to feel special.
---kathr4453 on 10/1/13


Kathr 2: for your infomation and for others we are told in God's Word,
"And He (God) has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, "and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings.." He also says,
"For in Him we live and move and have our being,,,," (Acts 17:26: Acts 17: 28). He sets our times and our boundaries where we will live, and not only that but we are breathing because of Him. Man has no say in this matters of life or death.
---Mark_V. on 10/1/13


Kathr, yes, according to God's will a person lives or dies. It is not by how healthy you are that you live longer, you live longer by the will of God. And you die when it is your time. Whether in a car accident or just bend over and die, you will die at the exact time God had for you. You will not live one minute longer. It is all by God's design, just like the death of Jesus was, by God's design. You guys don't have any clue concerning the God of the Bible. You have created a god to your own liking. And if you want to change him again, you can do that any time.
But God:
"He doeth according to His will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay His hand" (Dan. 4:35)
---Mark_V. on 10/1/13


Lidia4796 and Elder, thanks and both of you keep up the GOOD NEWS.

Christan can't see that he was and still may be a reprobate.

God in His LOVE for man, made salvation accessible to ANYBODY regardless. Believe on His Son Jesus Christ who died and rose again for our sin. You can't work for it. It's a GIFT you must RECEIVE by Faith. FAITH is simply believing God and taking Him at His word. It is not some Mystical mumbo jumbo Christan and and Markv have made it to be....God gave Cain a second chance to do what was right, proving it is a CHOICE we make. Cain refused that second chance. TODAY is the day of Salvation....Don't let TODAY pass you by! God Loves you so much He sent His Son to die FOR YOU so that YOU may LIVE THROUGH HIM!
---kathr4453 on 10/1/13


Lidia4796 - what even gave you the idea that God is vain? He's not a man, can you understand that? And you say, "I tell anyone here who is saved or lost, GOD loves you...", really?

God loves "the lost" (reprobates)? Seriously? You're going to have a hard time convincing Pharaoh, Judas, Esau and the multitudes of reprobates that God "loved" them while they're in Hades awaiting judgement. You worship a god of your imagination, that in vain he says he love everyone and yet there are multitudes in Hades right now whom he couldn't save.

What kind of god says he loves you and you wind up in hell not being saved by him. I'll tell you, a vain god. That's not the God of the Bible.
---christan on 10/1/13




Judy, I had a feeling you were either once RCC or RCC, and seeing Christan too was RCC, still carry much of the RCC with you today.

I believe they even forbid suisides to be buried in the Church seminaries.

But they also teach or taught unbaptized babies went to hell too, just because the RCC church had not water baptized them. OH and the bitterness of a good friend of mine who was told her father is in hell because he ate meat on Friday, and didn't REPENT of it before he died. Then of all things, they now allow meat on Friday??

There's a long list of UNFORGIVABLE sins the RCC has concocted. Only the truth can set you free of such bondage.

But I see you both cling to one another's RCC teachings.
---kathr4453 on 10/1/13


Kathr, your posts on Calvinism are right on and to the point.
Those who do not understand the doctrine of salvation will embrace Calvinist false hoods.
Thanks for posting truth and trying to show folks the correct views as taught in God's Word.
---Elder on 10/1/13


Judy, often when we come out of a false religion RCC, we still carry with us many things that take the Grace of God to purge out of us and replace it with God's Word alone.

I think what scares christen is that it supports FREE WILL, and he just can't deal with that fact.

But you have placed the idea that unrepentant sin, whatever it may be, will cause one to lose their salvation. Unless you are grounded in the doctrine of eternal security, it would appear no one can have that security even now.

ETERNAL LIFE cannot be off'd, however our flesh can.
---kathr4453 on 10/1/13


I remember when I was a little kid, mustve been about six or seven.
My next-door neighbor, my best friend!
Im 62 years old and am having a hard time writing this.

He was crossing the street when a car came by and hit him. It hit him so hard, it split his head open. The blood actually turned the gutter red! My best friend died!

I turned to God and asked why, did you take him!
Mind you, I was six years old, I didnt blame God for taking him!
Basically gods replied to me was:
My judgments are my judgments and your judgments, are your judgments.

Can a six or seven-year-old, understand something like that?
What does it look like to you?
Peace
---TheSeg on 9/30/13


"Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass, I have purposed it, I will also do it." Isaiah 46:11

So what is it that you freewillers fail to understand that's written in the above verse from Isaiah? Didn't God put His words to fruition in the death of His Son Jesus, when Peter spoke,

"For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together, For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done." Acts 4:27,28

Wake up from thy slumber!
---christan on 9/30/13




that is what I am taling about Christian. I was raised in old fashioned Roman Catholic church and I always believed and was taught that suicide was sort of like blasphemy. It was like denying Christ. Now I am not in RC but I still have that feeling that this is true. I hope Katherine that u r right. I really do. I would like to believe that it is all about the grace. I just do not know if that is pushing it abit.
---Judy on 9/30/13


Only God knows who would goes to heaven. However we have know right to take our own life without talking to God about the problems that we are dealing with. God bless
---Aanu-Oluwapo_Adewusi on 9/30/13


False christians fail to believe that God is life. And if His Spirit lives in the Christian, regardless of the pain and suffering they endure, how does the Spirit lead the Christian to take his own life? Isn't that blasphemy of the Spirit?

---christan on 9/30/13

so now you are saying the opposite of MarkV who says even our sin is God's Power working in us.

How do you reconcile these two opposing statements?

according to your doctrine christen, having no free will, God for-ordained the suicide correct?
---kathr4453 on 9/30/13


Judy, you are very right to say "that suicide is the ultimate "slap in the face" to God. It is a lack of trust in His ability to help you". Amen to that!

As for the life of Job and his faith in God, do not look at Job but God, "For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure." The blessed assurance from God is His Spirit living in the elect till the end of their time on earth, regardless of the sufferings they endure.

False christians fail to believe that God is life. And if His Spirit lives in the Christian, regardless of the pain and suffering they endure, how does the Spirit lead the Christian to take his own life? Isn't that blasphemy of the Spirit?
---christan on 9/30/13


To Kahr4453, wonderfull post! 9/28/13 you say // Calvanism keeps people in bondage...//

// I tell anyone here who is saved or lost,GOD loves you...//

I totally, agree God is not a vain God, He loves the saint & the sinner, He encourages us take heart, your post let's us know hey, NO matter how bad it get's
No matter how bad it seems HE is right there.. thankyou Sister.

We got to stay in the word, and like they used to say " prayed up" we both know Satan came to steal,kill and destroy much more through the mind than anywhere else, he plants evil thoughts!

Don't give in and don't give out.. love of Jesus!
---Lidia4796 on 9/30/13


Christan, what is really from the pits of hell with Calvinism, is it does not believe we DIED to sin being crucified with Christ . NO, we don't claim sinlessness, we claim HIS righteousness. THAT Christan is the consequence of salvation .

NOW to all who WILLINGLY surrender their life to God, THEN He is able to keep ALL THAT I HAVE COMMITTED UNTO HIM UNTIL THAT DAY.

So before you come on here with your high and mighty self righteous attitude, you may want to get ALL the facts correct.

So you go on repenting, while the rest of us go on OVERCOMING through Christ. The new creature cannot overcome if the old man is still alive sinning and then repenting every minute of every day like some cat chasing it's tail.
---kathr4453 on 9/30/13


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Judy what you say is true, however only God can be the judge of why. My sister in law took her life. She had postpartum psychosis. She was saved. She left notes that a voice told her to kill her children, ...she took her own instead. This was before dr's even knew of this illness many many years ago. She was hospitalized 8 months after her first child, but no one equated it to just having a baby. After her second child, not wanting to be hospitalized again, ( she left hidden notes all over her house what was going on in her mind). We didn't find until after the funeral. Sad but true. It still breaks my heart. Yes, I've asked God all those same questions. WHY? But I have peace she is with The Lord .
---kathr4453 on 9/30/13


Judy, I don't know about you all, but I know that AFTER you are saved, there is a process of the RENEWING of our minds. This takes place as we read the Word of God, obey the Word and his Word is grafted and WROUGHT in us . The word WROUGHT is the focus here. It is having CHRIST formed in you. This is HOW we are being conformed to his Image. We first are being conformed to His Death, Phil 3, in order to KNOW the power of His resurrection in our daily life. Yes, we have the Indwelling Spirit, but the Spirit works through the WORD. Children know they are saved, but John says young men, that is a more mature Christian has OVERCOME the evil one. Many Christians stay in babyhood, and have no weapons of warfare.
---kathr453 on 9/30/13


Folks, I was always led to believe that suicide is the ultimate "slap in the face" to God. It is a lack of trust in His ability to help you. It is murder of yourself. If the Holy Spirit lives in us, we should not murder--even ourselves. Not everyone who commits suicide is mentally ill perse. Some have great physical pain. Others have experienced deep tragedy--maybe a loss of a child. The pain in ones heart is too great. We are not all as strong as Job. yet is it not the final act of not trusting in the Almighty God?
---Judy on 9/29/13


Let's get one thing straight here with regards to the SALVATION OF AN ELECT. If elected by God, there's no way the elect will be going to hell, period. Now with the issue of the elect out of the way, let's deal with repentance.

Unless you're dead and unable to see or hear, get this through that hardened heart of your foolish pride - repentance does not save the sinner BUT is the consequence of the sinner that's been saved by the grace of God Almighty.

What's from the pits of hell is someone declaring that you only need to repent once for salvation (and I reiterate, REPENTANCE DOES NOT SAVE!) and that's it, no need for anymore repentance for the sins one continue to commit against God. That's evil!
---christan on 9/29/13


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\\This my b a sock 2 you James said your words will set the course of your life,\\

Bryan, writing in text-speech like a teen age airhead means you think like teen age airhead.

If you're going to write on serious spiritual subjects, write like an adult. You have just as many words per post as the rest of us--125.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/29/13


Or is Christan saying no mentally I'll person is one of the elect? Certainly they feel their days at times are dark?

Do mentally ill people have to repent of their mental illness after they are saved? How is that possibly done? By saying Lord, I turn away from my mental illness? Does a diabetic have to repent of diabetes after salvation? Does repentance of either of these INSTANTLY cure one of their sickness? If not, then they must repent hourly until cure or death, correct?
---kathr4453 on 9/29/13


Sin is sin There is NO such thing as greater sin or less sin, it is all sin. This my b a sock 2 you James said your words will set the course of your life, You don't sin in heaven and anybody can sin on the earth. We do it everyday. Some on purpose and some not. What if you love God and Jesus is your savior. But that morning you got mad at your who ever and sin against them. Then you die in a car wreck on the way to work. No time to repent of that sin, do you go to hell cause of unforgiven sin in your life? Again in James, put the pieces together they fit. The Course of your life The Blood of Jesus cover a lllllot of sin.
---Bryan on 9/29/13


"Elder - don't confuse the issue!"
christan
Christian if you are confused it is because you willfully want to be so.
I didn't ask anything about repentance. I asked a simple question. So, how about you not trying to sidestep it just and answer it?
Again, please show me where the Bible instructs me, or anyone, to confess every sin ever commited in order to get saved.
---Elder on 9/29/13


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So Christan, answer the question at hand. Will a saved person go to hell if they have any Un confessed sin or a sin they have not repented of before they die? THIS is the question.

We know Calvin did repent of his false doctrine of no free will before he died. Will you? And if man has no free will, why did he feel he had to lord it over people to stay on his idea of the straight and narrow or be killed or excommunicated or banned from Geneva? HE gave no free will, is the fact.

So answer the question Christan, will that saved person LOSE their salvation? IF you say NOTHING can snatch you out of God's hand, suicide includes NOTHING. NOT suicide or any sin unconfessed or unrepented of.

Talk about a double minded man!
---kathr4453 on 9/29/13


JamesL - one doesn't need to repent of their sins committed daily as a Christian? Really? John has this to say to the Christian,

"If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us."
1 John 1:6-10

Obviously, you're not in the light.
---christan on 9/29/13


According to Christan's last post, his verse is seen through the eyes of someone who does not believe in free will, so 100 % of the responsibility is on God to rescue his Robot.
Anyway, the JUST shall "live by faith" an altogether different aspect than believing by faith. NOW in order to live by faith, we have to CLAIM those promises given us and walk in them, and not walk by sight or emotion. It is a daily moment to moment walk. WE have to make those choices every minute we are attacked by satan through what ever means he uses. If you haven't PUT ON THE WHOLE ARMOR OF GOD, you will be defeated. That doesn't mean you lose your salvation. Some battles can be fatal. If you don't know God's WORD, you have NO armor or ammunition.
---kathr4453 on 9/29/13


Some facts to munch on.

To be led into temptation is distinct from running into it, which would be "tempting God" (1Co 10:9, Mt 4:7).

way to escape(Jer 29:11, 2Pe 2:9). The Greek is, "the way of escape", the appropriate way of escape in each particular temptation, not an immediate escape, but one in due time, after patience has had her perfect work (Jas 1:2-4, 12). He "makes" the way of escape simultaneously with the temptation which His providence permissively arranges for His people.

to bear it, Greek, "to bear up under it," or "against it." Not, He will take it away (2Co 12:7-9).
---kathr4453 on 9/29/13


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Christian: Grandma is right. Mental illness is often misunderstood, especially by supposed Christians. Your Scripture verse is not a lie. You just don't understand mental illness.
---Trish on 9/29/13


\\ ..show me where the Bible instructs me, or anyone, to confess every sin ever commited in order to get saved... \\
---Elder

This is the predicament in which the Reformer Martin Luther found himself. He kept going to confession to name each and every offense. The priest once told him not to come back until he had something worth confessing. Later, he understood Romans 1:17 - The Just Shall Live By Faith



\\ Read Rom 10:9-13 and tell me what the Bible says we must confess!...Am I fully Saved or not when I adhere to Rom 10....? \\
---Elder

Romans 10 actually has nothing to do with conversion. Paul addressed that in chapters 1-4 and never returned to the subject in that epistle.
---James_L on 9/29/13


Grandma - if by your account and understanding given is right, then the Word of God's promised would be a lie - "There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able, but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it." 1 Corinthians 10:13


Elder - don't confuse the issue! There's no such doctrine as God saving "halfway". As I've said earlier, repentance does not save the sinner but it's evidence that the sinner has been saved. That's why he repents of his sins and trust in Christ. See the difference?
---christan on 9/28/13


Someone, anyone please show me where the Bible instructs me, or anyone, to confess every sin ever commited in order to get saved.
Because there is a lack of understanding of the Doctrine of Salvation people will think this way.
Read Rom 10:9-13 and tell me what the Bible says we must confess!
Then, does God only save half way? Am I fully Saved or not when I adhere to Rom 10, and/or other like passages as instructed?
---Elder on 9/28/13


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Calvinism KEEPS people in bondage, being told, you are what you are because God made you that way , being the cause of suicides for both those in bondage to this cult, or a non believer hearing these fanatics going off how God never loved the unelect, leaving everyone around HOPELESS.

I tell anyone here who is saved or lost, GOD loves YOU so much he sent his Son to die for YOU. And every human on earth has HOPE in that truth. DON'T take your own life...GIVE it JUST like it is right now to God, and I guarantee, what God gives back is beyond anything you could ever hope or dream possible. But you must walk by faith, not by sight. For God so loved THE world.......BELIEVE it. Don't let Calvinism steal away that seed of truth.
---kathr4453 on 9/28/13


Christian: I know of plenty of born again, saved believers in Christ who have suffered from severe mental illness debilitating enough to cause the sufferer to become suicidal. Christians do commit suicide.
---Grandma on 9/27/13


Only an unrepentant and unconverted soul will take his own life. Simply because, he's void of the knowledge of God.

Curiously enough, how do you repent of ALL YOUR SINS when you have no idea what sins you're going to commit after your last repentance. Such is their hypocrisy and lies that you only need to repent only once and for all to receive salvation?

Anyways, repentance does not earn the sinner salvation. Repentance is evidence and the consequence that one has received salvation, or why else would one feel the need to repent toward God Almighty? For the Christian, repentance is Spirit led, born of the Spirit, convicted by the Spirit of his sins. It's the Spirit that leads him to Christ.
---christan on 9/27/13


when one is born, it is impossible to go back in the womb. same with born of the Spirit. we can't go back to an unborn state. God does punish us just like our parents punished us. that being said, one who is born again will always be born again.
---shira4368 on 9/27/13


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So the question is, " if you kill yourself, you have no time to REPENT of it, therefore unrepentant sin keeps you from heaven.

To the one asking this question. According to Christan and his statements here! and still holding to his RCC mindset, he too agrees with you that unrepentant sin will keep you from heaven.

I certainly hope for Christan's sake he has confess ALL, every last sin he has ever committed. And God forbid he lose his temper and yell at a nurse on his deathbed, not being in perfect mind or health, and not have that repented of too before his last breath, or before he can sacrifice another bull or goat to cover him another year.
---kathr4453 on 9/27/13


The only thing I have ever seen in the New Covenant that will send you to hell is not excepting Jesus as your savior. As for the sin of suicide our very on word can be turned against us to defeat us in this life. I would hate to stand before God trying to explain to him why I don't believe his word. Cause his word brings life not death. So again sow his word for life not satan's perverted words of death. I can't I can't I can't. I can do all thing through Christ who strengthens me I can live and not die and have a great life in Christ Jesus.
---Bryan on 9/27/13


Justification by faith happens once, yes.
Baptism happens once, yes.
Receiving of the Holy Ghost happens once, yes.

But repentance of one's sins only once will do? (Sure like to see the verse that supports this theory since these very same people who preach this poisonous doctrine are the ones who opposes eternal security to begin with. Contradicting to their believe isn't it?)

After your "first and only repentance to God for salvation" happens, what becomes of the sins you fall into after? No need to repent of them anymore? No remorse or struggles with sins anymore? Go read Romans 7 and see if Paul teaches your deadly poisonous doctrine.
---christan on 9/26/13


Acts 2:38 justifies that one needs to "only repent once" to be saved? Seriously? Such is their blindness that Acts 2:38 doesn't even breathe of such a teaching, neither does anywhere in the Scriptures.

Freewillers understanding of repentance toward God is one from the pits of hell. They fail to believe that true repentance is Spirit-led and because of "God's gift of faith to the sinner", his repentance pleases God on the account of "faith", not once but till he leaves this world to be joined with Christ.

True repentance is the consequence of regeneration and not the other way as propagated by works mongers. Even the present day Jews and Muslims say they repent, are they saved?
---christan on 9/26/13


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Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Yet they twist this too saying they receive the Holy Ghost before repentance SO that they can repent.

Maybe if they had this part correct, JamesL, they might not be so confused about the truth.
---kathr4453 on 9/26/13


Now just to make a note of that last verse I posted, so that it's read correctly, .... Repentance does not cause REMISSION of sin, however our baptism into His death is what brings remission of sin AND the Holy Spirit into us...Romans 6-8

Obviously Christan does not believe Jesus was made sin for us. He may want to revisit Colossians 2 THOROUGHLY. He believes there are still lingering sinS that are not forgiven or DONE AWAY IN CHRIST, and is in fact teaching WORKS regarding our standing IN CHRIST.

These guys just have no FOUNDATION of truth to build upon.





---kathr4453 on 9/26/13


\\...[repent of your sins]..

"...repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ." Acts 20:21

See the folly of your erroneous understanding? \\
---christan on 9/25/13

If you understood what the word repent means, you might understand the scriptures.

repentance from dead (useless, self-righteous) works and faith toward God (Hebrews 6:1)

Are you comfortable being that ignorant? I guess ignorance is bliss. way to go.


Kathr,
thanks for a voice of reason. WOW, this guy is something else. You're right, he just wants to argue for the sake of arguing
---James_L on 9/25/13


The righteousness of Jesus Christ, that's IMPUTED to the sinner through the justification of faith DOESN'T EXEMPT the Christian from repentance toward God! Or the apostle John wouldn't have written,

"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:8,9

Do note that the apostle says "sins", and never does he say you only need to repent only once for salvation.

Such a teaching or "repenting only once" is befitting of an unconverted heart that's void of the grace and mercy of God.
---christan on 9/25/13


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Christan, YOU scoffed at the fact that the ONLY righteousness we have IS the righteousness of Christ. That has been IMPUTED to us once and for all. Not IMPARTED little by little upon daily confession and repentance. We only need to REPENT once leading to SALVATION. Now after salvation, if we confess our sin......meaning agreeing with God, His way is the only way.

Now back to the question at hand...(stop trying to CHANGE THE subject)
If someone ALREADY saved commits ANY sin regardless of what it is and dies not confessing THAT particular sin before they die, do they LOSE the righteousness of Christ ? NO. If that were possible, they would LOSE their salvation.

Get it now, or do you need to e-pal your cohorts ?
---kathr4453 on 9/25/13


JamesL and cohorts - where does it say in Romans 3:5-8 and anywhere in Scripture that you do not need to repent of your sins even if you're called into the fellowship of Jesus Christ? Where?

And HOW does repentance to God become a work? You don't seem to have any idea of what even constitutes to works mongering, do you? If repentance was of works then Paul must have been the biggest works monger when he testified,

"Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ." Acts 20:21

See the folly of your erroneous understanding?
---christan on 9/25/13


JamesL, you don't see the need to repent to God of your sins at all? Are you teaching that the next sin you commit before the sight of God, that there's no necessity for you to repent at all to God?
---christan on 9/24/13

JamesL has made no such statement. Our righteousness IN CHTIST is not dependent on whether one repents daily hourly of sin, one minute having the righteousness of Christ and the next moment losing it because we haven't repented of a particular sin. If that were so Christan then one would LOSE THEIR salvation. Dahhhh! You say that because like all Calvinists, have no earthly idea what JUSTIFICATION by Faith is. You only need to be justified ONCE, not over and over.
---kathr4453 on 9/25/13


\\ Are you saying then that it's ok to go round committing sins endlessly without a care in the world since you are already "relying on Christ righteousness"? Where does Bible teach of such a wicked theology? This is exactly the theology of the antinomians... \\
---christan on 9/23/13

What a self-righteous works monger. You know Paul was also falsely accused

Romans 3:5-8 (NASB)
But if our unrighteousness demonstrates the righteousness of God, what shall we say? The God who inflicts wrath is not unrighteous, is He?....

....And why not say (as we are slanderously reported and as some claim that we say), Let us do evil that good may come? Their condemnation is just.
---James_L on 9/24/13


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How stupid and foolish can some (especially a particular one) get when I simply ask, "is there no need to repent towards God whenever you sin even after receiving salvation"? It's a simple question and some just go on and on talking to themselves without even answering the question and laying false accusations about one's believe.

If history has it, these are the very same people who deny and mock at the doctrine of OSAS and have the audacity to shout from the top of the housetop that you do not need to repent anymore of your sins. What hypocrisy and rubbish!

These are antinomians and they don't even know it - trampling on the grace of God with all their might and pretending to be Christians. Well, good for you.
---christan on 9/25/13


1 John 4:17 guarantees how God's love "has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment, because as He is, so are we in this world." If we are "as He is" . . . right "in this world" . . . we do not waste ourselves with suicidal nonsense.

We have a sound mind in Jesus. The peace of Jesus "will guard your hearts and minds", we have in Philippians 4:6-7.

So, why do people spend so much time on the theoretical "possibility" that we might commit suicide? We could rather talk about all that is possible with God in our spiritual minds (Ephesians 4:23).
---willie_c: on 9/24/13


Yes, just because you have been forgiven, does not nor never will be a license to SIN! GOD HATES SIN!
---catherine on 9/24/13


JamesL and Mark_Eaton, great posts.

If perhaps Christan understood the Gospel he would also agree. Our sin is forgiven past present and future. Now some may use that as a form of practicing cheap grace. So what christen is really saying is if one sins and dies before he repents of that sin, he has lost his salvation.

So he really doesn't believe in OSAS. Only when it applies to him and his sinless perfect life. Kinda sounds like the Mormons....please oh please don die without having your secret under-wear on.

I think christen loves to argue just for the sake of arguing and sounding so self righteous.
---kathr4453 on 9/24/13


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He died to pay the debt of every sin I ever committed.
---James_L on 9/23/13

This statement is very profound and very deep. I would only alter it to say "He died to pay the debt of every sin I will ever commit".

The statement reminds me of the book of Hebrews, talking about Jesus making a single sacrifice for the sins of all time.

Heb 10:12 "but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, sat down at the right hand of God"

Heb 10:15 "For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified"

How about that? If a believer has been perfected by the sacrifice for all time, how can we ever lose this through any action of our own?
---Mark_Eaton on 9/24/13


JamesL, you don't see the need to repent to God of your sins at all? Are you teaching that the next sin you commit before the sight of God, that there's no necessity for you to repent at all to God?

Do show us where it says in the Scriptures that you do not need to repent and just rely of the righteousness of Christ, please show us and I'll show you what Christ declared,

"But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."

Faith in Christ will most definitely come with repentance to the Father. The "faith" you profess to have is short of repentance, which is definitely not from God.
---christan on 9/24/13


JamesL, has it ever occur to you why you trust in Jesus Christ?

1. Is it not because you have sinned against God?
2. And if you have, according to you there's no need to repent? How so?

You say, "If someone has to ask if suicide/no repentance sends them to hell, they are clearly not relying on Christ as their righteousness."

Are you saying then that it's ok to go round committing sins endlessly without a care in the world since you are already "relying on Christ righteousness"? Where does Bible teach of such a wicked theology? This is exactly the theology of the antinomians - trampling on the grace of God for salvation.

Woe be to you!
---christan on 9/23/13


\\ ..."how many of your sins did Jesus die for" the answer is ALL of them, including your last one... \\
---Mark_Eaton on 9/23/13

Good stuff, Mark.

His righteousness as our own depends on HIM having done it, not on US having to "repent"

If someone has to ask if suicide/no repentance sends them to hell, they are clearly not relying on Christ as their righteousness.

The very question is silly to a believer in Christ

If someone doesn't know that the answer is NO then that someone doesn't understand the gospel

He died to pay the debt of every sin I ever committed.

If suicide could send a Christian to hell, then Christ didn't do a very good job paying our debt
---James_L on 9/23/13


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?/statement-now can't demon suggest fearful things and prod to the extent that fear grows and eventually into other things. I believe when we focus on negative (demon suggestion) eventually yes it causes physical and emotional effects. some may be more easily taken by these than others. fear is loss of faith, the more you focus on that spot on the wall the bigger it begins to look. soon it is all you see. I think all negative is of satan/demons. only my thought
---laura on 9/23/13


"First, God assisted Samson in his suicide." jerry6593

Did the Bible say that or the devil say it?

Do these words spoken of by Samson sound suicidal in his prayer to God?

"And Samson called unto the Lord, and said, O Lord God, remember me, I pray thee, and strengthen me, I pray thee, only this once, O God, that I may be at once avenged of the Philistines for my two eyes." Judges 16:28

It was God's vengeance and wrath that came upon the three thousand Philistines that day Samson brought the temple down. Samson was God's rod of wrath on the Philistines. He did not commit suicide as you suggest.
---christan on 9/23/13


There are many causes of depression. The main ones are situational(a major loss or bereavement--this usually passes with time), an underlying medical cause (constant pain), or clinical depression.

2 and 3 are related, but not the same. Clinical depression, however, IS a physical disease. It's a chemical imbalance in the brain. Usually it can be controlled with the proper medicine, as mine is, Glory to God!

Rarely, it might be demonic. But someone under the control of a demon does NOT have full use of his will and reason. In fact, in full scale possession, the will is suspended or suppressed, therefore the possessed person is NOT morally culpable for acts committed in this state, including suicide.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/23/13


Hello,Judy 1 day at college I help ( by God grace) a young man from killing himself, yrs ago. I was dished immediately! man said "going bk. to God!
Could be circumstances ?
God is mercifull. I do not sit around and comtemplate suicide but I have been in such horrible pain, not going to lie Satan did tell me such.. I kept pray to God, everyday I always PRAY dear Father God No Matter how bad it gets LET YOUR VOICE take over my mind & soul in Jesus name. I have been depressed as a young woman yrs.ago 1st thing Satan told me just kill your self ..but,vainity set in too, fearfull of hell..knew I was still horribly in sin.
Heb.10:31 Rom.8:6,7,8.
---Lidia4796 on 9/23/13


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The parents, Walter and Maria Nally, sued the Grace Community Church after their son Kenneth, 24 years old, shot himself in 1979. They said Mr. MacArthur and other members of the counseling staff had discouraged him from seeking outside help and had never told them about their son's suicidal tendencies.

They also said Mr. MacArthur made their son's condition worse by telling him his depression was the result of sinning.

If you are having issues and are a Calvinist, GET OUT OF THERE.
---kathr4453 on 9/23/13


Judy, I'm sure you are talking about Rick Warren's son. What a tragedy for any family to go through. I understand too he suffered mental illness all his life.

If Rick believes his son was saved and in heaven, who are any of us to make that judgment call that he is not.

We know God doesn't always heal our physical bodies, so we know God doesn't always heal our minds either. A chemical imbalance is actually a physical, just like many woman who's hormones go haywire after birth or during menopause. sometimes these drugs can make things worse, and we are still scratching the surface on that issue. .

---kathr4453 on 9/23/13


folks, still waiting for a direct answer.
---judy on 9/22/13

I do not believe suicide sends a believer to hell.

The wife of a gentlemen in my griefshare group killed herself after suffering 10 years with intense facial pain. Her faith in God was still strong but her body and desire for living had faded. She simply wanted the suffering to end, and ended it herself.

When I ask believers "how many of your sins did Jesus die for" the answer is ALL of them, including your last one. Even if your last one is self-murder.
---Mark_Eaton on 9/23/13


Was there a way of escape for Judas? Certainly it's called repentance.

Do you know how many were given a way of escape out of a coming hurricane, being told to evacuate and even offered that passage out, yet chose to stay? God has offered EVERYONE a way of escaping hell, yet not everyone will take the way of escaping God's wrath. Noah preached for how many years, and no one repented. The two witnesses will preach too, yet we see the refusal of repentance.

What Christan is talking about is no free will.

So Judy, it all boils down to whether YOU believe man has free will or not.
EVERY question and answer on earth depends on your view of free will vs Robots.
---kathr4453 on 9/23/13


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I'm sure this man's son did not sell Jesus for 30 pieces of Silver, nor was he the King of Israel who disobeyed God and allowed pride to take over ruining his own life.

So for Christan or Calvinists to condemn this man making those kind of accusations is spiritual malpractice.

God doesn't always send that Chariot, as was in another case not even close to Judas or Saul. Maybe some actually believe a chariot will come and deliver them, and it never comes. It's hard to know what's in someone's head. AND with all these crazy drugs prescribed today, what's been altered, now resulting in mass murders.

a man once had such a great faith he thought he could walk on water too, and he drown. Wasn't that suicide?
---kathr4453 on 9/23/13


Do you really believe God? Then you have a job to do?
Not talking about going out, yelling repent, repent!

I mean isn't it your job to stay here until (he calls you?) Yes it is!
But also, aren't you supposed to be here, Just in case someone might ask you?

1Pe_ 3:15:
And be ready always to give an answer to everyman that asked you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
What happen to these, if you off yourself?

Besides:
For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ, which is far better: Nevertheless to abide in the flesh (is more needful for you.)

Is it clear?
Peace
---TheSeg on 9/23/13


Judy: Two points: First, God assisted Samson in his suicide. Second, it is God alone that judges our fitness for salvation - not we ourselves - and He is much more merciful than we are.




---jerry6593 on 9/23/13


judy, if you want a Biblical answer, you will find it in the lives of King Saul and Judas. Both ended their own lives by committing suicide, meaning - God did not make a way out for them. And from Bible inference we also know they were reprobates.

You see, no child of God will take their own life because of what was written in 1 Corinthians 10:13. It's a promise from God that He will make a way out for them. Job was a classic example, and so too were the apostles who suffered tremendously during their persecutions - none took their own lives bar Judas Iscariot.
---christan on 9/22/13


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folks, still waiting for a direct answer. If one is a Christian, and has suffered from depression, a tragedy occurs and they succumb to their desire for suicide, will they go to hell or heaven? A recent suicide occurred -- the son of a well known author and teacher.He believes his son went to heaven. Can Christians who commit suicide go to heaven, yes or no? I know it is not the best way, but will they go to Heaven?
---judy on 9/22/13


God can make a way of escape, but we have to stand on that promise, and stand in faith believing what God has promised He will do.

This is what is so dangerous about Calvinism, they believe they take NO active part in it at all, and the end conclusion is to tell others that their loved one is not saved because, well, God never fails.

Well Christan, Romans 6 says Christians are DEAD TO SIN, yet YOU still sin, yet you say you can't lose your salvation. Explain how God failed there? When you tell us how you are not sinless, then you will understand a Christian can and has sinned here too.

You see it takes OBEDIENCE OF FAITH on our part. When you let YOUR(SELF) feelings and emotions overrule, you will be overcome by them.
---kathr4453 on 9/22/13


Think carefully about what drives one to suicide? Isn't it common knowledge that some of the causes for suicides pertains to either - depression, psychotic, impulsive, one crying out for help, a philosophical desire to die, etc.?

Can a Christian go through a phase like this? Of course they can. But will they ever succumbed to the desire of taking his/her own life by committing suicide? I think not and that's because Scripture explicitly declares,

"There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able, but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it." 1 Corinthians 10:13
---christan on 9/21/13


The ONLY unforgivable sin is to insult the Spirit of Grace. That is what is meant by blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

No scripture supports suicide as a sin that guarantees hell. And no one of a sound mind is going to kill themself. And no sound minded Christian is going to say...gee, lets off ourself so we can be with Jesus. WE ARE ALREADY WITH JESUS, and He is right here with us.
---kathr4453 on 9/21/13


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Is suicide a sin that will send you to hell?

The question betrays a total lack of understanding of what Jesus died for, and how one becomes just in the sight of God.

Rom 4:5 - to the one who does NOT work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness.

Going to heaven has NOTHING to do with whether or not someone "repents" of a certain sin. THAT thinking betrays a misunderstanding of what repent means.

It also rejects the biblical path to righteousness, which is by faith in the Son of God - NOT your ability to make yourself right, or keep yourself right (Titus 3:5)

Read Romans 4:21-14 also
---James_L on 9/21/13


First, let's level the playing field. Not all Christians are of the opinion suicide is the unpardonable sin. But, if all Christians "off themselves" and go to heaven that would be leaving the non-christian defenceless with no chance of heaven. Christians are the only, "boots on the ground" soldiers God has. If there is no one to tell the non-christian how to get to heaven, they are lost. Take the Christian away, and there would be total chaos in a few years. For those who say, "But there's literature, various media programs, etc. that would be around. (For how long?)
---wivv on 9/21/13


I trust God to keep me the right way so I do not commit suicide.

Also, Paul says, "For I am hard-pressed between the two, having a desire to depart and be with Christ, which is far better. Nevertheless to remain in the flesh is more needful for you." (Philippians 1:23-24)

So, it looks like Paul knew he was needed here. He stayed here and went through all the pain and rejection and other trouble, in order to be here for others who needed him.

It is tragic how people can feel it is not worthwhile to stay here to love people the way Jesus wants.
---willie_c: on 9/21/13


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