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I am a new graduate. I recently got a job in a software company. I noticed that some to the clients of the company are beer manufacturing companies. If I were to be assigned to work on the project for this companies should I do it?

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Isa 28:7

But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way, the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink, they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.


Mic 2:11

If a man walking in the spirit and falsehood do lie, saying, I will prophesy unto thee of wine and of strong drink, he shall even be the prophet of this people.



John the Baptist Luke 1:15

For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink, and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb
---Samuelbb7 on 4/11/14


Beer is good. Go for it!
---Love.wins on 4/8/14


\\HE addressed Mary as "Woman" while the man who wrote the texts keep referring to Mary as mother of Jesus Jn. 2:3,5, Jn. 19:26. \\

Actually, Jesus used the DIMINUTIVE in the Greek, which expresses affection.

Furthermore, inspired by the Holy Spirit, Elizabeth called Mary "Mother of my Lord" in Luke 1:43, in effect, "Mother of YHVH". Who else is the Lord but God?

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/31/13


Warwick & Rita_H: I agree with your previous comments on the subject of Mary. The Lord Jesus solved this argument Himself, in Jn. 2:4 & Jn. 19:26 HE addressed Mary as "Woman" while the man who wrote the texts keep referring to Mary as mother of Jesus Jn. 2:3,5, Jn. 19:26. It is left for everyone to decide which side he/she will take, Jesus' or man's.
---Adetunji on 12/31/13


Today the Virgin gives birth to the Transcendent One,
And the earth offers a cave to the Unapproachable One.
Angels with shepherds glorify HIm,
The Magi journey with the star,
Since for our sakes
The Pre-eternal God was born
As a little Child.

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/30/13




Hebrerws 10:5 reads "Consequently, when Christ came into the world, he said, "Sacrifices and offerings you have not desired, but a body have you prepared for me," To me this shows that the Son of God who is eternal Spirit was not born of Mary but entered (if that is the correct term) Jesus, the body prepared for Him, that, flesh and blood, born of Mary. Jesus then became the Son of man-fully man, born of Mary, and the Son of God, fully God, from all eternity.
---Warwick on 10/7/13


"Jesus is not merely a man, as you are saying. Mary did not give birth to a mere human nature, but a PERSON who is both God and Man" Agreed Cluny but the fact that Jesus is not 'merely a man' does not make Mary 'more than a woman'.
She was chosen by God for a very special purpose but she did that AS AN ORDINARY WOMAN. Nothing in the bible says anything other than that. She will always be considered special but not divine.
---Rita_H on 10/6/13


Cluny no matter how you attempt to spin this Mary is not the mother of God, as God is uncreated and therefore eternal, obviously existing before Mary was born. So God can be called the Father of Mary, but Mary cannot be truthfully called the Mother of God.
---Warwick on 9/27/13


man: If you are assigned to work on a brewery-project, of course you have to do it. The brewery is not your personal client, it is a client of your employer. As long as God gives you opportunity to work for your employer you have to obey but if you have an alternative, resign honourably and go.
---Adetunji on 9/26/13


\\Cluny do you not call Mary the mother of God? You are therefore calling her a God.\\

Wrong again. i already explained this.

Obviously, your Christology is not sound, or you would understand the true significance of "Mother of God/Theotokos."

Jesus is not merely a man, as you are saying. Mary did not give birth to a mere human nature, but a PERSON who is both God and Man. What He experienced in His divine nature after the Incarnation, He experienced in His human nature as well, and vice versa.

You are merely spouting the heresy of Nestorius.

Since spiritual things are spiritually discerned, I don't expect you to grasp this.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/25/13




Cluny do you not call Mary the mother of God? You are therefore calling her a God. If you accurately called her the mother of the man Jesus then the charge could not be made.
---Warwick on 9/25/13


\\ If he should sing that hymn (and I think he said he hasn't) he could do so in all integrity as it says nothing about Mary. It is, as are all hymns a song sung in praise of God. If the Orthodox sing it in praise of pseudo-deities then they are to be censured.\\

But we have no pseuo-deities, so you're wrong again, as in everything else you say about Orthodoxy, Warwick.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/25/13


Cluny, wrong again. You were improperly and incorrectly trying to censure and embarrass Jerry for something which does not exist. If he should sing that hymn (and I think he said he hasn't) he could do so in all integrity as it says nothing about Mary. It is, as are all hymns a song sung in praise of God. If the Orthodox sing it in praise of pseudo-deities then they are to be censured.
---Warwick on 9/25/13


\\A good try Cluny but we are speaking of hymn in the Christian context where it means a song sung in praise of God. What pagans do is irrelevant.
---Warwick on 9/24/13\\

What something means in a Protestant context is not what it means in a pre-Reformation Christian context.

My point, which you are missing, is that the word YMNOC was not invented by Christianity.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/24/13


Hello, I pray the Lord bless you at this job NOT easy! I got to give much respect to Bro.Scott1- his post 9/21/13 // your personal choice ..
he makes alot of sense.

May the Lord bless you & hope it works out! God will stand by you.Keep before Him in prayer, Jesus will not leave you take heart - the Lord will see you through! In Jesus name.amen.

Ps.91:1 Ps.37:25

---Lidia4796 on 9/24/13


A good try Cluny but we are speaking of hymn in the Christian context where it means a song sung in praise of God. What pagans do is irrelevant.
---Warwick on 9/24/13


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\\Cluny, the Biblical dictionary sources I quoted upstage your online secular dictionary any day.\\

Does it?

"Hymn" is not an essentially Christian word, as it comes from the Greek YMNOC which was used in pagan times.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/24/13


Cluny, the Biblical dictionary sources I quoted upstage your online secular dictionary any day.

When we deal with the meaning of English words then I go to the Oxford. When dealing with the meaning of essentially Christian words, and subjects I go to Christian sources.

If you wish to sing praises to fallible sinful humans I cannot stop you and this is in line with your secular views on Genesis. Hey why trust God's word when you have man's opinion?

Your criticism of Jerry is invalid.
---Warwick on 9/23/13


\\The Holman Biblical Dictionary "A song of praise to God" p.798. Bullingers NT Lexicon a "song in praise of God."\\

Neither is the last word in Orthodox Christian lexicography and hymnology.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/23/13


Cluny, let us not worry about secular definitions but seek what a Biblical dictionary says-The Holman Biblical Dictionary "A song of praise to God" p.798. Bullingers NT Lexicon a "song in praise of God."
---Warwick on 9/23/13


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\\Cluny, the point is to ask what is a hymn. It is a song sung in praise of God.\\

Warwick, my on-line dictionary (one of Mac's dashboard goodies) gives several other definitions.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/23/13


Cluny, the point is to ask what is a hymn. It is a song sung in praise of God. No matter what you think, or what tradition may say, I would never imagine I was singing praise to Mary (as being above the cherubim), if I should sing this hymn, simply because she is not above even one little cherub. But God the Son is above all the angels, therefore as I know Mary is a dead human (no matter how special) I could happily sing this hymn with a clear conscience.
---Warwick on 9/22/13


\\If you disagree, where does it actually name Mary as higher than the cherubim (angels)?\\

I've already explained elsewhere what Byzantine antiphon this is paraphrasing.

And as I said elsewhere, read what a Lutheran minister said about it in his article: YE WATCHERS AND YE HOLY ONES: ROMANIZING BUNKER BLASTER.

As far as saying Mary is dead, the third stanza, NOT in the SDA hymnal has an invocation to the departed: "Cry out, ye souls in endless rest/Ye patriarchs and prophets blest....."

For that matter, where does the second stanza specifically mention Jesus?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/22/13


\\I am sure Cluny will never agree and neither any of the RCC followers, since they have raise Mary to deity.\\

Liar. Mother of God has NEVER meant "progenetrix of the Divinity."

\\ If she is the mother of God she is deity.\\

Is Jesus fully true God and fully true Man in one and the same person?

Then Jesus is God. Mary did not give birth to a mere human nature but to a PERSON.

But, as I have said (and I'm not the only one who has), it is pointless to discuss Marian doctrine with people whose Christology is unsound.

Mother of God/Theotokos is about who JESUS is.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/22/13


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Cluny I expected you to do better than that. You imagine the SDA version of the Hymn beginning "Ye watchers and Ye holy ones" which contains the line "higher than the cherubim", therefore refers to Mary. Not so. This hymn is sung in praise of God, not Mary, who is dead. It is God the Son who is higher than the cherubim, having created them.

If you disagree, where does it actually name Mary as higher than the cherubim (angels)?

BTW the Holman Bible Dictionary defines a hymn as "A song of praise to God."
---Warwick on 9/22/13


Shira: Here in Michigan we have marijuana dispensaries, because medical marijuana is legal. I'm sure there are stores that sell it where it is legal for recreational use. A lot of addicts get opiates legally by doctor shopping.
---Grandma on 9/22/13


Warwick, very good points you have given. I am sure Cluny will never agree and neither any of the RCC followers, since they have raise Mary to deity. If she is the mother of God she is deity. But as we know she is not. She was a sinner just like everyone else. She did know this when she called the Lord her Savior and only sinners need a Savior.
---Mark_V. on 9/22/13


warwick, I agree with some things you say but lets be real here. you can find hundreds of bars and restaurants in every town or city. no where will you find a dope bar, a Xanax store, even a opiate bar. many people are killed or mamed by drunk drivers? alcoholics would not be alcoholics without the first drink.
---shira4368 on 9/22/13


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\\Please quote me the line from the SDA version of the hymn in question which mentions Mary.
---Warwick on 9/22/13\\

Second stanza: O higher than the cherubim.

You're acting exactly like shira. When I pressed her about what beverage Jesus used at the last supper, she finally said, "I don't know. But it couldn't have been wine." (Or words to that effect.

You're showing the same kind of denial.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/22/13


Cluny, as you should know Jesus is referred to a Son of Man, as to his manhood, and as Son of God as to His Godhood. "God is not man, that he should lie..." Numbers 23:19. God is eternal saying Hebrews 10:5 "A body you prepared for me." The Christ was already God from all eternity while the man Jesus was a creature. As the Syriac version says it "thou hast clothed me with a body", Gill says "and that he might dwell in, and in it do the will of God,...."

Mary, as she confesses is a Sinner (Luke 1:47), calling the Lord her Saviour. No human is the mother of the eternal God, let alone a sinner.

Please quote me the line from the SDA version of the hymn in question which mentions Mary.
---Warwick on 9/22/13


\\Cluny, Mary is not the mother of God.\\

Yes, she is.

St. Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit when she said, "What is this to me, that the Mother of my Lord should come to me?" And who IS the Lord but God? (Luke 1:43).

||I cannot see why Mary should not be mentioned in hymns but she is not mentioned in the SDA hymn to which you refer.'||

Yes, she is.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/21/13


Shira, the problem, as I see it, is that some here campaign against others having the right to have a drink. The problem is substance abuse, not always the substance itself. Legal pain-killers have their place but many people abuse them causing themselves, and others, great harm.

Do you imagine the problem would go away if alcohol did not exist? Would not the same people, those with addictive natures, just find some other substance to abuse?

Alcohol, drugs, motor cars, food etc are not the problem but the abuse of them is. I am surrounded by people who use all of these, but don't abuse them.
---Warwick on 9/21/13


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Cluny, Mary is not the mother of God. However she was a person considered worthy of bearing the child who became the man Jesus. As the coming Saviour said "a body you prepared for me" Hebrews 10:5.

I cannot see why Mary should not be mentioned in hymns but she is not mentioned in the SDA hymn to which you refer.'
---Warwick on 9/21/13


That is a personal choice and God will honor your conviction no matter what you choice to do. If you have an strong issue against doing a job for that client tell your boss. You can be fierce but respectable about it. You may also try to bring in another person who does a similar job so that you can switch with him/her. Personally I would not have an issue but you have to balance the work ethics, personal convictions, and job devotion.
---Scott1 on 9/21/13


Man - you will be employed to do your specific job for your employer, not to manufacture the alcohol for one of their clients. If you have been successful in acquiring a job when jobs are scarce I'd say you should do it but that it up to you.

Warwick "Why is alcohol such a unique horror to some?" Answer - to many it is because we've seen that many cannot control their behaviour once they've consumed too much and have no will power to NOT drink too much.
I am a volunteer with a charity working with alcoholics - the destruction they leave in their wake in horrifying. I have never, and will never, touch the stuff.
---Rita_H on 9/21/13


\\Why is alcohol such a unique horror to some?\\

Why is the Theotokos such a horror to you, Warwick, that you can't even recognize her being referred to in a Protestant hymn?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/21/13


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I will drink to that James!
---Warwick on 9/21/13


Warwick,

good stuff. Best answer anyone could come up with.
---James_L on 9/20/13


\\Man, maybe you do not want to be involved with a beer manufacturing company because of the problems improper use of beer causes.\\

The Bible actually says more against gluttony than against drunkenness. Would you be hesitant to work on computer programs for fast food companies, man?

Improper use of something does NOT preclude its proper use.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/20/13


Man, maybe you do not want to be involved with a beer manufacturing company because of the problems improper use of beer causes. But improper use of legal pharmaceutical drugs also causes great problems. Would you therefore be concerned if you were involved with a pharmaceutical company?

Daily we hear of people stabbed to death with knives. Are the knife manufacturers at fault? Likewise, motor cars, food, guns, and so many other things are a serious problem when used improperly.

Why is alcohol such a unique horror to some?
---Warwick on 9/20/13


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Why not? Do you actually think that drinking beer is sinful in itself?

It's not.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/20/13


Do you like your Job? You have one and many people don't, there is nothing wrong with the lawful manufacture of wine, beer or spirits the problem is abuse of the products.

You need to learn to do your job so you can keep job because you can be easily replaced!!!
---Blogger9211 on 9/20/13


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