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What Is A Biblical Day

What does "day" mean in the Bible? The word seems to mean different things in different places. Jesus said, "Abraham rejoiced to see My day"--but Jesus clearly did not mean a single 24 hour period.

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Cluny, Cool!
And if we go up or down to the poles, there are parts of the year.
When there is no day and night cycle at all.

Now does this change what came out of the lord mouth?
(are there not twelve hours in the day!)

Just asking cause you know me.
If you don't want me to believe it, I won't!

Now, if I was a smart guy, and I'm not!
Instead of looking at the longitude, I might look at the latitude.
Every hundred miles or so and find the average amount of day time vs night time.
And see if it's come out to twelve hours!

Cluny, was Christ a smart man?
I think so, he knew the world was round!
Peace
---TheSeg on 10/1/13


Warwick:

you repeatedly make these claims...

I only claim the Bible NEVER says "24 hours". This is verifiable. Look at ANY verse in ANY book. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM omits the words "24 hours".

... you know what 6 days mean.

I have said for months is that I am NOT arguing what the Bible MEANS, so talking about that is besides the point. I argue what it ACTUALLY SAYS. It never ever SAYS "24 hours".

If your idea that we cannot know the length of day is true...

I never said that either. Of course WE can tell how long days ARE. WE have the sun. But the FIRST THREE DAYS didn't.
---StrongAxe on 10/1/13


Warwick, Saying that there's a difference in evening and sunset is pretty shallow! Does the sun not set in the evening? It does where I live! Even today the Jews believe that sunset begins the next day!
Saying that you don't know when the hundred million Angels were created is admitting that not all of God's creation was revealed!
An oversight? When even the creatures were mentioned in some detail
**1st day only evening is correct** bible says "evening AND morning"! (Which came 1st?)
---1st_cliff on 10/1/13


StrongAxe, Jesus called Himself the light of the world, not the sun!

You wrote "Note the word "are", referring to the present tense - i.e. Jesus's day." I have no idea what you are talking about.

That God needs the sun to light the earth is a figment of your fevered imagination, as before he created the sun He said '"Let there be light," and there was light....And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.' God has said this light He created lit the earth, making the first day. But you do not believe Him.
---Warwick on 10/1/13


\\But hes talking about the light of the day, Christ is saying twelve hours here!\\

But in Roman (and later in Byzantine) times, the length of the hours of day and night varied with the season, and were told by the position of the sun, at least during daylight hours.

This is seen in the Rule of St. Benedict, when the Night Service (variously called Matins or Vigils) was longer in the winter and months and shorter in the spring and summer.

Only with the acceptance of clock time rather than sun time as the standard do we say that the NUMBER of daylight hours, and not the length of the hours as in ancient times, varies with the seasons.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/1/13




StrongAxe, you repeatedly make these claims, but offer nothing but speculation.

As you will not answer the question, I will- If someone says I will see you in 6 days you will know when they are coming because you know what 6 days mean. The Bible we read has God writing on stone tablets that He created in 6 days. If they are not 6 days (which we call 24hr days) why do all translations say 6 days?

Further, God inscribed that they were not to work the 7th, and Exodus 31:14,15 has God saying they "must be put to the death" if they do. If your idea that we cannot know the length of day is true the Israelites could not have known when the fatal 7th day was, and would have been put to death!

Your answer to this?
---Warwick on 10/1/13


Warwick:

Bravo. Yes, theere are 12 hours in a day (at the equinox, but why quibble), and another 12 at night, so one could infer that the night is similar, so a day would therefore be 24 hours. But just what kind of day does it talk about? Jesus specifically referred to "the light of this world" - i.e. the sun.

Note the word "are", referring to the present tense - i.e. Jesus's day. The days Jesus spoke of (i.e. the 99.99% of days that we have observed since creation was finished), can all now, and could all previously be measured by the apparant motion of the sun in the sky.

However, this STILL doesn't say anything about the first three days, when there was no sun to measure by.
---StrongAxe on 10/1/13


Cliff writing of the first day I previously wrote "Even today in the ME day begins at "evening" ending the next evening, as God says." There is no "sunset" there, so you have misrepresented (again) what I have written. You tried to score a point by misrepresentation. A deceitful debating tool.

If I were talking of today both "evening", or "sunset", are correct. However if writing of the "first day" only "evening" is correct. Think it through.

I answered your angels question "As to what was created on day 1 I can see nothing about angels."

You continue to misrepresent what I write and claim I haven't answered your questions. Untrue.
---Warwick on 10/1/13


Yes Mark_V I know. He also said:
Joh_9:5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.

But even when he left, the light still remains.
As long as, I am in you, you are the light of the world.
If so be, that he is in you!

But even this does not change the fact!
That God said (are there not twelve hours in the day!)
I mean, since we believe he is the Word of God and God.
And Mat_4:4 and Luk_4:4!
Then God himself has said (there are twelve hours of daylight in day.)

Is there some other way to look at it?
And since, God does not change!
The days are still the same.
Peace
---TheSeg on 10/1/13


The Seg, I love your answers, but you gave (John 11:9) to proof a day has 24 hours. And to believe the Lord. I believe the Lord, but I don't believe Jesus was in fact stressing how many hours and minutes a day had. He was saying that during the light of the sun most people did their work safely, and when darkness came they stopped. As long as the Son performed His Fathers will, during the daylight period of His ministry when He is able to work, He was safe. The time would soon come, nighttime, when, by God's design, His earthly work would end and He would stumble in death. Here is what I believe Jesus was stressing, that as long as He was on earth, doing God's will, even at a late time in His ministry He would safely complete God's purposes.
---Mark_V. on 10/1/13




Didnt Christ explicitly say in Joh_11:9: Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because (he seeth the light of this world.)

Now you might think hes saying twelve hours in the whole day.
But hes talking about the light of the day, Christ is saying twelve hours here!

In Joh_11:10 he adds the night!
But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.

12 hours of day and 12 hours of night, here you have Christ saying it.
I think if you really are wondering how long a full day was or is!
Why not take the Lord own word for it?

Sorry, but go on!
---TheSeg on 10/1/13


Warwick, I'm deceitful????
Wow, that's a good one! You're the one that said the day begins at sundown!
Did not "all" begin at the same time?
Pray tell me Sir, when the first day began.
I've asked you before but true to form, you evaded the question on "when" angels were created.
You're getting cranky!
---1st_cliff on 10/1/13


Warwick, really, Cliff is NOT deceitful.
He tells you what he truly believes and he does trust Jesus for salvation.
His perspective comes from things he doesn't trust.
You will be hard pressed to find someone who has a loving attitude that Cliff does. I simply love this guy. His encouragement has helped me more than once.
Please don't reject him because of his views even though you and I may not accept them.
He allows people to say just about what they want and never returns hate in response.
Cliff is one of the truly intellectual posters here. I do not support all of his ideas but I wish some would adapt a few of his other Christian views.

---Elder on 10/1/13


Cliff, you are deceitful.

Despite all I, and others, have written you continue to misrepresent us. In Genesis 1:3-5 God defines 1 day "And there was evening, and there was morning-the first day." Deceitfully you try a cunning evasion of truth by inserting "sundown" here, that which is not in Scripture and not what we have written. God says "evening", and the faithful accept His word.

As to what was created on day 1 I can see nothing about angels. You made that up. You are good at that. You are so arrogant, and faithless that you dare tell God what He can or cannot do in 24hrs?

BTW what I "insist" is not the point but what God insists is, and He says 6 24hr days.
---Warwick on 9/30/13


Warwick, OK , so you insist that all 6 days were of 24 of our known hours.
Day #1. God begins creation ,starting at sundown ,even though there was no sun, and ending at sundown the next 24 hours. Right? The first thing He created at sundown was light??
Then turned His attention to earth meaning that all the universe ,angels,water came into existence in the 1st 24 hours, Right again?
So 'till this time began, there was absolutely nothing but God floating around in empty space in darkness?
I would appreciate your explanation of "day one"
---1st_cliff on 9/30/13


Cliff: I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. God defined the length of a Creation day as the rotational period of the earth, hence evening and morning. There exists no logical reason for, nor even any hint of long-aged days in the process. Your insistence that God did not mean what He explicitly said must come from somewhere else, and I would guess it came from the world.



---jerry6593 on 9/30/13


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Cliff, it is a matter of faith. It is by faith we understand Jesus died and rose again. But at the beginning we have The supreme eye-witness who defines 1 day in terms even simple creatures such as we can understand, and says He created in 6 of these. He confirms they are ordinary 24hr days in Exodus 20:8-11.

As I have asked before: If I said I will see you in 6 days would you ask how long are your days? I will answer it for you: No you wouldn't, because you know how long 6 days are. But you will not accept the obvious as regards the days of Genesis because you prefer to believe mans opinions and your own "logical interpretation"!
---Warwick on 9/29/13


Jerry, None of my beliefs are "outside" of scripture, it's a matter of logical interpretation!
God went through this whole operation (creating Eve from Adam's anatomy) When He could have just spoken her into existence. no hurry here!
It took 40 days to flood the earth when He could have just "spoke it" No hurry!
It took 4,000 years to send His Son. No hurry here
It's already 2,000 years waiting for the 2nd Advent. No hurry here.
Yet He crammed everything we know of into existence in144 hours???? NO!
---1st_cliff on 9/29/13


StrongAxe as you should know God made Adam and when He finished His Creation He said it was "very good." Considering that God is perfect, this alone should convince any Bible-believing Christian that His "very good" is far above our best understanding of perfect.

Further to this Deuteronomy 32:4 reads "The Rock, his work is perfect, for all his ways are justice. A God of faithfulness and without iniquity, just and upright is he."

Finally can you show any Scripture which shows His works are not perfect? You know you cannot.

Are His works perfect, yes or no?
---Warwick on 9/29/13


//Again I reason "what was the "need for speed" time bind? ---1st_cliff on 9/28/13//

Sorry Cliff, I keep making the same mistake of believing that we all have the same point of reference - the Bible. In it, you'll find:

Psa 33:6,9 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made, and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. .... For he spake, and it was done, he commanded, and it stood fast.

Your slow-god paradigm not only belies His written account of six days (Exo 20:11), but also implies that God had a speech impediment that He couldn't get the words out fast enough. How many millions of years do you think it took for God to say "Let there be light"?




---jerry6593 on 9/29/13


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Jerry, No I don't buy the "man made global warming" nonsense, which they have switched to "climate change", our climate is never the same 2 years in a row! (Now they're getting frustrated as the planet shows signs of cooling)
It's not a case of "let's stretch the days" to suit evolution. But sensible time periods (yoms) to accomplish all the wonderful things in the minutest detail!
Again I reason "what was the "need for speed" time bind?
---1st_cliff on 9/28/13


1st_cliff:

You said: God did not create Adam and take him to the garden at night, he would not see the trees (spoken of).

It doesn't say what time of the day God created anything. Besides, one can see in the night by moonlight.


Steveng:

You said: And what biblical basis do you assume that Adam was not perfect?

If the Bible doesn't say, one way or other, it's presumptuous to assume he WAS, and ALSO presumptuous to assume he wasn't. We simply don't know, one way or other. Many people assume that if the Bible doesn't say one thing is true, the opposite must be true - a logical fallacy.
---StrongAxe on 9/28/13


Warwick, OK, let's analize your post,
"The light He called DAY"
"The darkness He called NIGHT"
Evening and morning combine light and darkness! Calling this combination "day" (as in 1st day)
So now we have two meanings of "day"
Is part of "day" 6 also include the 6th "night" of creation? So some of this creation took place in darkness?
I reject God's "grammar?"
Recorded in an unknown language,at a time when no written language existed?
What grammar?
You've yet to answer my question on "angels"
---1st_cliff on 9/28/13


Warwick, By your post and logic ,day six began at sundown of day five ,right?
So for the first 10 or 12 hours it was dark!
Unlikely God created any animals or birds in the dark, for obvious reasons.
God did not create Adam and take him to the garden at night, he would not see the trees (spoken of).
So our time of naming all the bird and animal kinds is shortened even more. Plus the creation of Eve.
To say this all happened in 12 hours or so, is to make it a ferry tale!
It's not a matter of faith, it's a matter of sensible reasoning!
---1st_cliff on 9/28/13


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Cliff: "I may not be perfect but neither am I gullible!"

I beg to differ. You have bought into the "let's stretch the days" ruse, the sole purpose of which is to make room for Evolution - creation without God. I'll bet you are also gullible enough to buy into the "man-made global warming" fantasy.





---jerry6593 on 9/28/13


"So now I'm stuck with God and Jesus as my savior! ..alas poor me!" 1stCliff

Another classic example of an unconverted soul, spoken through your own heart. "stuck with God and Jesus"? Sound like reluctance to anyone who can see. Are God's children reluctant to be His child?

"And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour." Luke 1:46,47, "I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin." Romans 7:25

See the difference of attitude? You're only fooling yourself that you're a Christian.
---christan on 9/27/13


Cliff,conversely my view is of Scripture, and yes as Scripture says the way is narrow. At the beginning of Creation God made light which separated the light from the darkness, just as we see today.

God called the light "day" and the darkness He called "night" as we do. "And there was evening and there was morning-the first day." Even today in the ME day begins at 'evening" ending the next evening, as God says. God knows how thick we are and how sceptical and faithless man has become therefore explains Truth in detail but in simple terms. But you reject God's word, grammar, and logic. You condemn yourself as an unbeliever, a Bibliosceptic
---Warwick on 9/27/13


Warwick, Sorry ,it was Jerry that played the "evolution" card!
Jerry, you cam mock my typo that's OK I'll admit I'm not perfect!
If you can't see that God used His 6 grand scale creation days as a model for a 6 day work week ,(no mention of the end of the 7th) then you view like most evangelical fundamentalists is extremely narrow!
Billions of planets, millions of Angels , millions of creatures from microbes to dinasaurs, myriads of vegetation, all in 144 hours?
I may not be perfect but neither am I gullible!
---1st_cliff on 9/27/13


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Cliff, if God meant 6 indefinite time periods He would say so, but He didn't, He defined 1 day and said 6-days. Exodus 20:8-11 proves you are in error. If the 7th day was an indefinite time-period therefore unknowable how could the Israelites have known when it was and avoided execution?

I imply nothing, Scripture says all God's works are perfect. Why do you reject this?

Your comments on Adam's perfection are nonsensical, you confuse perfection with knowledge. Therefore, in your reasoning a technically advanced killer is perfect! Do you imagine that God's whose works are perfect (as Scripture says) created Adam physically, mentally or spiritually flawed?

Did I say you have evolutionary beliefs?
---Warwick on 9/27/13


Cliff: "and we went from perfect to stupid???"


Apparently so! We now have "mock" speed. What is that? A measure of the rapidity with which you mock your fellow CN Christians? Oh, I'll bet you meant "Mach" speed, didn't you? (After the Austrian physicist Ernst Mach.)



---jerry6593 on 9/27/13


Christian, I ran for president of the Atheist club and they through m out, said I was too Christian for them!
So now I'm stuck with God and Jesus as my savior! ..alas poor me!
I guess I'll just have to keep chipping away at these pagan beliefs!
---1st_cliff on 9/27/13


Warwick, I have no issue with Ex 20.11 "In six Yom (periods of time) He made heaven and earth and all that in them is..."
I have no "evolutionary" beliefs whatsoever!
You imply that Adam was perfect and we devolved from then.
He had no pen and paper or written language, OTOH we can travel through space at mock speeds, talk face to face around the globe, till the ground with machines....and we went from perfect to stupid???
---1st_cliff on 9/26/13


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1stCliff, I "assume" you'll claim yourself to be a Christian, yes? But judging from your testimony, the knowledge and understanding you have of the Holy Bible, it's even worse than one who's an atheist.

At least the atheist deny there's a God and by that they are grounded on what they believe. But reading your replies and comments, you could well be the president of the atheist club hands down.

Claiming to be a Christian and spewing comments like, "God did not name the creatures! God used the 6 days of creation metaphorically..." The creation of God is "metaphoric"? Then you shouldn't be walking around enjoying the goodness of God. Are these things "metaphoric"?
---christan on 9/26/13


Cliff, you have Adam struggling to name millions of creatures which, as you admit, didn't exist then! Is this a joke, have I missed something, is it April 1st? I asked you what creatures Adam had to name but true to form you ducked the question and came up with this piece of irrelevance. "the man gave names to all livestock and to the birds of the heavens and to every beast of the field...Genesis 2:20. You should know God created creatures according to their "kinds" with nary a "species" to be seen.

Define a perfect creature? Adam: created without physical flaw, and without sin, by God whose "works are perfect."
---Warwick on 9/26/13


Cluny you casually say "I will believe the infallible Word of God." Then show me where the word of God says that God's works are not perfect. Can't do that? Of course you can't so your boast is vain.

But I can show you, as I have already done so what Scripture says about God's works "The Rock, his work is perfect...." You are of course honour bound to accept this as you "believe the infallible word of God." But you only believe it if it agrees with your nonBiblical beliefs.
---Warwick on 9/26/13


Where did you two get the idea that "very good" and "perfect" are synonyms?

You believe what you wish. I will believe the infallible Word of God.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/25/13


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Cliff: "Give me one good reason you think God was in a "time bind" having to accomplish all the things in day 6 in 24 hours, what was the hurry?"

Give me one good reason to doubt the authority of the Word of God when he said:

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day:

Your thesis, like all of Evolution, is mere speculation of a finite human mind. Your religion, if it is based on human speculations, is equally vacuous.




---jerry6593 on 9/26/13


Warwick, The number of "kinds" of creatures that Adam identified and named is virtually impossible to say given the fact that some 8.7 million species exist today! but more than a person could accomplish in one day!
God did not name the creatures!
That Adam adjusted "immediately" to being a person is pure speculation as was his adjustment to having a female partner! Perfect "human" but lower than an angel!
Define a "perfect human"
---1st_cliff on 9/26/13


Cluny: "On what basis do you assume that Adam was perfect?"

And what biblical basis do you assume that Adam was not perfect?
---Steveng on 9/25/13


Cluny, God made Adam from the dust of the ground, and created in God's image. His finished creation, in His words, was made "very good." How strange for a fallen creature to claim God's creation was not perfect. I make no assumption as Deuteronomy 32:4 says God's works are perfect. You promote the idea that Adam was not made perfect either because God cannot make perfection or thinks near enough is good enough. You lack Bible knowledge and your faithlessness is astounding, enough to doubt you are Christian at all.

Conversely new-born babies today are not born perfect but born sinful and with their share of the c3,000 genetic defects which afflict mankind, a flow-on from Adam's sin.
---Warwick on 9/25/13


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Monk Brendan - you know you do have a big problem believing in the Word of God, right? This is what Scripture declares -

"All things were made by Him, and without Him was not any thing made that was made." John 1:3

And mind you, "ALL THINGS" is without exception, including the stopwatch, sundial and whatever you can think of. You may say that the man was behind the stopwatch, the automobiles etc. But I ask you: who do you think is behind the man doing all these things? Who?

For me, the answer is simple - GOD ALMIGHTY!

What about you?
---christan on 9/25/13


\\We also must remember Adam was a man created perfect, without sin, and physical defect. What were His mental powers? Do you assume he had no more intellect than fallen man today? \\

On what basis do you assume that Adam was perfect?

"Very good" is not the same thing as "perfect." You don't think they are the same, do you?

As I've said elsewhere, a newborn healthy baby is perfect, as far as he goes, but is not what he will become, and therefore is not yet perfect.

Adam and Eve were created in a state of undeveloped innocence, and were to GROW into moral and spiritual perfection.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/25/13


Cliff when the apostles instantly healed people from various illnesses,(and even raised the dead), did they do this in their own power or by God's power? By God's power of course. As the whole of creation was God's doing and plan why do you assume He was not in control?

We also must remember Adam was a man created perfect, without sin, and physical defect. What were His mental powers? Do you assume he had no more intellect than fallen man today? If so upon what basis do you assume this?
---Warwick on 9/25/13


Cliff I cannot imagine how you would assume I considered the days of creation as heavenly things. These are obviously earthly things and Jesus asks-How will you believe what I say about heavenly things if you don't believe what I say about earthly things? And Jesus, when speaking about the things of Genesis always spoke of them as sober historical truth. In reality you are saying God has given a false account of what happened!

You forget that God was in direct control able to achieve whatever He desires in whatever time He wishes.

BTW what creatures did Adam name?
---Warwick on 9/25/13


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Warwick, When have I ever told God what He can or can't do???? He can do whatever!
Adam was a human ,perfect but not super!
Things would have to move along at a super fast clip to accomplish day 6 in 12 hrs. of daylight! but that's not what scripture says!!
Putting Adam in a "deep" sleep to create Eve took time not zapping her into existence as would be necessary to stay in the "time bind"!
It took 4,000 years to send His Son...no hurry here!
Read the bible, hurry is not His style!
---1st_cliff on 9/25/13


Warwick, These (creation days) are not "heavenly things" are they!
Give me one good reason you think God was in a "time bind" having to accomplish all the things in day 6 in 24 hours, what was the hurry?
BTW which day were the angels ,of which there are a hundred million individual beings with separate personalities, were they created? was this also done in a hurry?
Do you imagine that Adam named the creatures at night, in the dark? without a lunch break or toilet break? Think man! 12 hours of daylight? Not 24!
---1st_cliff on 9/25/13


Cliff, it is not Christan who writes before thinking but you. God precisely defines the length of His days of creation in Genesis 1:5, Exodus 20:8-11, and elsewhere. But nonetheless you will not believe what God says about what he achieved in day 6! You were not there, you (and of course I) know absolutely nothing when compared to God. It is supreme faithless arrogance for any man to tell God what He can or cannot do. That God achieved part of His day 6 desired results through Adam is irrelevant as God has said He did.

Jesus speaks directly to you Cliff "If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how can you believe if I tell you heavenly things?" John 3:12.
---Warwick on 9/24/13


Warwick, Realistically, God used the 6 days of creation metaphorically to establish the pattern of a 6 day work week and rest on the 7th, and made it "law"!
From then on , the bible writers used this pattern that you (and others) take as a meaning creation was finished in 144hours! Not so!

Tell me why this conclusion is flawed!
---1st_cliff on 9/24/13


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Warwick:

As I mentioned in the "Clean UnClean animals" blog, I had repeated my earlier question here before I had seen your reply there, and when I saw your reply there, I apologized for my misunderstanding of your position.

I have no problem eating crow when I make a mistake, and somebody rightly throws it back in my face :)

I always want to BE right - in the sense that I want my opinion of reality to conform with how reality ACTUALLY is.

I DON'T "always want to be right" in the sense of "being seen as right" by forcing everybody else to think as I do.

Every time somebody shows me to be wrong, it improves my perception of reality, which I see as a good thing.
---StrongAxe on 9/24/13


Christian said: "It says explicitly, "And God called the light Day, etc." And what followed after that, God gave man the wisdom to tell time by means of sun dials to let them know what time the day was and today, it has evolved to seconds, minutes and hours. Even this is of God."

Okay, did God have a stopwatch to time how long before He turned OFF the dark?

Sundials? Give me a break. The first time keeping was man looking up at the sun, and seeing how high it was in the sky.

Sundials didn't come about until such time as man had reason to mark the time of day, rather than work from dawn to dusk.
---Monk_Brendan on 9/24/13


1stCliff - Adam? Weren't you talking about day six of creation in Genesis? Wasn't Adam just a part of God's creation on day six apart from the other creations?

It was you who was in doubt saying, "Day six does not give enough time for all things mentioned to happen in a "normal" day." To which I simply replied, "why do you limit the power of God to create in the twinkle of an eye"?

Better still, God questions you ""Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding." You're having a hard time believing what's written in the Scripture, which looks impossible from your understanding of what constitutes to a day. Where's your faith?
---christan on 9/25/13


I find it interesting that there were, apparently, three days of creation before God made the sun and moon which people usually use to measure a twenty-four hour day.

In any case, it does not say God used any full day in order to do that day's creating. He could do things in seconds, then be busy with enjoying that days work (c: . . . if He can change us "in the twinkling of an eye". God is not limited to what we can dictate (c:
---willie_c: on 9/25/13


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Day has several meanings in English as well as in biblical Hebrew. But, only a fool (or an agnostic/atheist) would construe God's own handwritten words to mean anything other than normal, ~24-hour days, as:

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Only those whose god is Random Chance and whose prophet is Charles Darwin think that Creation took more than six normal days.





---jerry6593 on 9/25/13


Warwick, Seems you're still hung up on this 24 hr. creation days without thinking it through! IE the 6th day.
1st God created Adam ,how long would it take for a person , just created, to adjust to being a human?
Then God put him in the garden and explained his duties there.
Then assigned him to name all the bird and animal kinds (one by one)
Then Eve was created form Adam's rib ,but not instantly. He was put into a "deep" sleep, while the operation was performed!
Then time to adjust to this new creation.
All of this during daylight hours . (12?) not done at night!
---1st_cliff on 9/25/13


StrongAxe you are now telling lies as I do not take every word in Scripture "literally" as I have told you a number of times. Therefore as you continue to misrepresent what I believe (setting up a straw-man situation) I cannot fairly continue to dialogue with you. How can one dialogue with untruth?
---Warwick on 9/24/13


Warwick:

(blog closed before this could be answered)

God said things that were important, and left out things that weren't. The Bible mentions baking, but gives no bread recipes. It omits Jesus's height. There are books it mentions, like Jasher and Laodiceans, that aren't in it. Why not? Because God didn't think them necessary.

Here is what I don't understand. You believe every word in the Bible is literally true. Yet whenever you quote Genesis 1, you feel compelled to add "24 hour" to each "day", because you don't seem to trust God's judgment as to how specific to be. God didn't elaborate "day" because he didn't think it was necessary. Why do you know better than he does?
---StrongAxe on 9/24/13


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Christian, You forget that Adam was not God. Sure ,God could do it but Adam was human and no human except Superman could do all those things in one 24 hr.day!
God could have created the "ark" in seconds, but Noah built it bit by bit over much time!
I believe you talk before you think!
---1st_cliff on 9/24/13


Cluny, it is idle speculation for us to say what God can or cannot do in any time period. You know the Bible was translated into English for our understanding, and that in English (as in all the other languages I know) the word day when accompanied with a number means a 24hr day. I have asked this question countless times before and it has never been answered: If I said I will see you in 6-days would you ask-How long are your days? Yes or no.

I have also asked the following question and not received a sensible reply: Consider Numbers ch.7:1-78 "on the first day, on the second day...." are these ordinary 24hr days (yes or no) and if so how do they differ in length from the "first day, the second day" of Genesis ch.1.
---Warwick on 9/24/13


Cliff, in regard to your blog to Christan 'day' (Hebrew yom) has 3 meanings"

1) A general expression for 'time' without specific limits Genesis 2:4, Psalm 102:3.

2) Daylight, the period between sunrise and sunset. Genesis 1:14,3:8,8:22.

3) 24hr period from sunset to sunset Genesis 1:5 "and there was evening and there was morning-the first day."
---Warwick on 9/24/13


"Day six does not give enough time for all things mentioned to happen in a "normal" day." 1stCliff

O man of dust, why do you limit the power of God to create in the twinkle of an eye? Do you seriously think God needed six days to create the world and everything in it? You seriously think that God is constrain by time, space and matter like the creatures He created?

"not enough time" you say? You think when God created the world, He needed to take a rest after day one and then continue the next day?

"Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding." Job 38:4
---christan on 9/24/13


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In Genesis 1:4-5 and :13-14 - God divided the light from darkness, calling light day and darkness night. The evening is the beginning of night and the morning the beginning of the day. Therefore, a 12 hour day and a 12 hour night or 24 hours all together. (many of you will get technical on this one) How would one count the third day?

Psalm 90:4 and II Peter 3:8 is only a metaphor explaining that God's time is not man's time showing that God is not bound by time.

The third type of day is a period of time as in "the day of the Lord."

Do an online KJV bible search for "day."
---Steveng on 9/23/13


Dr. of Deception Cluny: "jerry, if you have nothing to say, why waste a post?"

Oh, you mean the way you always waste other people's posts by not answering the question that was asked, but is indulging in ad hominem attacks and personal insults?

This is just another futile attempt to justify your belief in Theistic Evolution and to venerate your beloved prophet Charles Darwin.

Glory to the REAL Jesus Christ!





---jerry6593 on 9/24/13


Warwick, So, OK you pointed out that day (yom) has three meanings.
Also mostly when used with a number refers to a normal day.
This is reason by deduction that doesn't prove the "creation" days were 24 hours absolutely!
Day six does not give enough time for all things mentioned to happen in a "normal" day.
If day six is not 24 hrs. then neither are the other five!
There is also a question about day seven not concluding at that time!
---1st_cliff on 9/24/13


Christan, I believe wisdom is God's gift to those who are faithful to Him, and His word. Cliff is not essentially foolish but is rendered so by adherence to nonBiblical views of Scripture. To paraphrase Chesterton-when men stop believing in the Truth of God's word they do not believe in nothing, but that they will believe anything.

This 'day' argument long-continues and those who will not accept what the whole of Scripture says have never been able to mount a Scriptural defence of their man-made beliefs, simply because they are man-made therefore not Biblical. But they continue. This means they are sadly and irrevocably on that slippery slope which ultimately leads to God's censure, and rejection.
---Warwick on 9/23/13


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1stCliff

You speak like a fool arguing. Senseless and yes, foolish. In the words of the Bible, "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools".

Let's get this right out of the way and be clear what constitutes a day as far as Genesis 1:4,5 has declared in simple English and not twist and turn like you have all this while and going no where like a dog chasing it's own tail.

The first sunrise to the next sunrise is a complete day (which includes a complete day with light and night that's darkness), which Bible declares as the "first day".

Your struggle with 12 or 24 hours that constitutes a day is your problem to go figure.
---christan on 9/23/13


Cluny, As you now know 'day' has 3 meanings:

In John 8:56 it has no number before it and means 'time' or 'when' see Genesis 2:4, Psalm 102:3. Today we say-in my father's day' meaning-when he was alive.

'Day" also denotes the time period from dawn to sunset i.e. daylight, all day-e.g. Genesis 1:14.

Day with a number (as we use it today) means 24hr day e.g. Genesis 1:5 "And there was evening and there was morning-the first day".If I said I will see you in 6 days, would anyone ask-How long are your days?

'Day' is used hundreds of time in the Bible with a number i.e. the first day, or one day, and it always means a 24hr day.
---Warwick on 9/23/13


Read Genesis chapter 1 and then consider the following facts.

Note that day is used with a number in Genesis 1. It is used as a singular or plural with a number 410 times outside of Genesis and it
always means an ordinary day.

Evening and morning are used together without day 38 times outside Genesis 1 and it always indicates an ordinary day.

Evening or morning are used 23 times each with day outside Genesis 1 and it always means an ordinary day.

And night is used with day 52 times and it always indicates an ordinary day.
---Warwick on 9/23/13


Christian, Flawed because you read it as simply a 24 hr. day when YON means a period of time , may or may not be 24 hours!
Daylight here at the equinox is 12 hours, (the light He called day) is that "a day?" or 1/2 a day? (as we know it 2013)
---1st_cliff on 9/23/13


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Notice that jerry is not answering the question that was asked, but is indulging in ad hominem attacks and personal insults.

jerry, if you have nothing to say, why waste a post?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/23/13


This is just another futile attempt by pseudo-Orthodox agnostic Dr. Clunity to justify his belief in Theistic Evolution and to venerate his beloved prophet Charles Darwin.




---jerry6593 on 9/23/13


1stCliff - my logic is flawed? I beg your pardon? I gave you two verse from Genesis 1:4,5 without interpretation and I am flawed? They are not my words by God's. Are you saying His Words are flawed? That i makes no sense to you?

Monk Brendan - you have your cart before your horse. It says explicitly, "And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day." And what followed after that, God gave man the wisdom to tell time by means of sun dials to let them know what time the day was and today, it has evolved to seconds, minutes and hours. Even this is of God.

Both of you - get your facts right!
---christan on 9/22/13


Christian, Your logic is flawed. "And God called the light day" (a 12 hour period of time at the equator)
Gen.2.4 "the generations of earth and heavens in the DAY they were created" KJV God did not create all things in 12 hours!
The creation days are mentioned as from evening 'till morning. (not your daylight day )

This is not as black and white as it seems! Interpretation is needed!
---1st_cliff on 9/22/13


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Christian said:
"And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day." Genesis 1:4,5

Let it rest."

Exactly how long was that first day, during the light? Did God have a stopwatch to tell Him when to turn on the dark?
---Monk_Brendan on 9/22/13


Cluny, Day (yom)means a period of time.
IE God said to Adam "for in the day (yom) that thou eatest there of thou shalt surely die" Gen.2.17. KJV (NIV conveniently leaves out "day" **) Obviously he didn't die "that day" as scripture says Adam lived 930 years "THEN" he died!

**Translators "fix" things to suit their beliefs!
---1st_cliff on 9/22/13


"And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day."
Genesis 1:4,5

Let it rest.
---christan on 9/22/13


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