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Praying In Tongues

What is the purpose of praying in the Holy Spirit?

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Bryan, your wrong. You might think you are speaking for Jesus but your not. You said,
". Jesus said if you deny me before man I will deny you before my Father. Don't forget Jesus is the word. We can see u cluny denying the word." The subject is not about whether one believes in Jesus. Jesus Himself told us how to pray. He never said to pray in tongues. So is that denying Jesus who is the Word?
You also mentioned that you can ask God and He will give the Holy Spirit to you. Don't you know that the minute a person believes, he is baptized into the body of Christ. You don't ask to be baptized in the Holy Spirit, everyone who is saved is already baptized. There is no two baptism. The indwelling of the Spirit is for ministry.
---Mark_V. on 10/5/13


The reason I say religion is most of them preach a powerless gospel. The Jesus I know is not Powerless. These are the things I know to be true that it is the Word of God that has to be following out of you, it will make the lame to walk and the blind to see , it will open prison doors and set the captive free. Anything other that to me is just man made religion. As Job said n chapter 42, I new about God Now I see him. The Gospel sets you free , Again who the Son sets free free indeed. If Jesus has set you free Why do u kick him for?
---Bryan on 10/5/13



Remember what I said elsewhere about the Holy Spirit giving a sound mind?

Glory to Jesus Christ!

---Cluny on 10/4/13


But you have never exhibited such. You don't even know the difference between a sound mind and an educated mind!
---Jed on 10/5/13


Mark V I agree with your words "What I oppose is when someone tells other believers if they don't speak in tongues then they don't believe in Jesus. That does bother me." Me too as do these words "tongues is the first evidence that someone has been saved". Some pastors might say that but the bible does not.
I'm not sure about what you say about tongues might be useful when wishing to save someone who speaks another language.
I don't know anyone who understands their particular 'tongue'. They would not be able to use it in a foreign land unless God suddenly gave them a message for an individual who did speak that language. Tongues is never used for conversations to my knowledge.
---Rita_H on 10/5/13


\\You read the word but you don't see it expect through the eyes of your religion.\\

Back at you, Bryan, but the word you mean is "except" and not "expect."

Remember what I said elsewhere about the Holy Spirit giving a sound mind?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/4/13




Cluny the truth be told.
By Bryan
You have made a religion out of the word of God.

It seems to me you keep saying this over and over again. I'm just curious! Since you used the word, religion!
So, are you condemning every religion on earth?
Because so many people have done just that!
I believe you said you don't condemn organized religion.

Before you answer let me clarify this for you.
I asked "are you", but clearly "you are!"
I don't know if you see that!

More importantly are you saying?
Don't base your religion on the word of God?
Religions, not to use the word of God?
Religions, are not to be trusted?

What is the truth here?
What are you saying?
---TheSeg on 10/4/13


Cluny, has not said anything that cannot be backed up with Scripture! Others have said things, they cannot back up with Scripture!
The things Cluny has said about the day of Pentecost. Are completely true, read the Scriptures!

Jed //I guess that's why the unbelievers accused the apostles of being "drunk" on pentecost?//
Where does it say anything about unbelievers, not hearing? Here!

Act_2:13-Others mocking said!
Not because they didnt understand. Act_2:8!
But, because they did! As you can clearly see!

Paul 1Co_14:28-33! If there is no interpretation, let him keep silence in the church! For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
Peace
---TheSeg on 10/4/13


Cluny the truth be told. You have made a religion out of the word of God. You read the word but you don't see it expect through the eyes of your religion. Jesus said if you deny me before man I will deny you before my Father. Don't forget Jesus is the word. We can see u cluny denying the word. You my think your right but your just denying "JESUS" over and over and over. Trying to prove your religion. One thing about the Gospel it will always prove it's self. Best stop kicking Jesus he may kick you back like did Saul. "Paul"
---Bryan on 10/4/13


\\I guess that's why the unbelievers accused the apostles of being "drunk" on pentecost?
\\

The Apostles were speaking in recognizable languages.

Modern Pentecostals do not.

Furthermore, those who claim the "gift of tongues" have just as much trouble learning Biblical languages as those who don't have it. Why is that?

Can you answer that question, Jed?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/4/13


I guess that's why the unbelievers accused the apostles of being "drunk" on pentecost?
Jed on 10/4/13

Very good Jed, see what you can do with this one.
Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, (as the Spirit gave them utterance.)

Peace
---TheSeg on 10/4/13




Modern tongues bears no relationship or resemblance to true tongues.
---Cluny on 10/4/13


I guess that's why the unbelievers accused the apostles of being "drunk" on pentecost?
---Jed on 10/4/13


\\I'm not shocked that you Cluny would speak so disrespectfully of Jesus' apostles who were in the Upper Room on Pentecost.
---Jed on 10/4/13\\

The Apostles were speaking real languages that people around them understood.

Modern tongues bears no relationship or resemblance to true tongues.

Believe me, Jed and Bryan, I've been there, done that, seen the shallowness and doctrinal errors and spiritual faddism associated with charistmatic-pentecostal phenomena, and moved on to truth.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/4/13



\\Why would you tell believers who pray in tongues what their doing is "jabbering".\\

Because it is.

\\ Are you that afraid spiritual things that you make fun of them.\\

What's so spiritual about putting your brain in neutral and your mouth in high, winding it up and letting it go?

Glory to Jesus Christ!

---Cluny on 10/4/13


I'm not shocked that you Cluny would speak so disrespectfully of Jesus' apostles who were in the Upper Room on Pentecost.
---Jed on 10/4/13


Bryan, let me first say that I do not mind anyone praying in tongues, though I see no reason for it. What I oppose is when someone tells other believers if they don't speak in tongues then they don't believe in Jesus. That does bother me.
In this age of time we have enough people who speak already in other languages that we do not need tongues. Now does God give someone tongues in particular circumstances? I think that is possible in special cases when someone finds themselves in a country where you cannot speak their language and God wants to save someone, God can give the person the ability to speak in that language to bring the gospel to them. But those cases are very rare.
---Mark_V. on 10/4/13


\\Why would you tell believers who pray in tongues what their doing is "jabbering".\\

Because it is.

\\ Are you that afraid spiritual things that you make fun of them.\\

What's so spiritual about putting your brain in neutral and your mouth in high, winding it up and letting it go?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/4/13


Let God be the judge of who is jabbering and who is not. Not us. So just let the Gifts that are from God follow out of us. The word will always set you free. Jabbering or not.
---Bryan on 10/4/13


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I say it like this If you want the baptism of the Holy spirit Just ask God for it. You will get, If you want to manifest tongues, jabber away, If you get out of line with Holy Spirit. I'm pretty sure God has enough to get you back on track. Go for it and never look back. I thing there was a story about somebody who looked back it did not turn out so good for them.
---Bryan on 10/4/13


(I'm not trying to give you pray lesson.)
If believers want to pray in the Holy Spirit.
"I say go for it."
Bryan

If you are mimicking it, practicing it or even thinking about doing it!
And if there be anything else, you can think about doing it!
Then it is clearly, not a gift from God!

You are jabbering in no particular language!
You can hear better sounds coming from a zoo!
Or even a Poultry Slaughter House.
This couldn't be clearer to anyone!

This guy, my bro! Didn't know what hit him!
He was one of the Guys, cool, suave, sophisticated!


Cluny, he accepted God?
That's what a lot of people said.
I think you and I both know a better word!
Peace
---TheSeg on 10/4/13


I'm not trying to give you pray lesson. That what Jesus did. Matthew 6:9-13, Why would you tell believers who pray in tongues what their doing is "jabbering". Are you that afraid spiritual things that you make fun of them. The fact is your not making fun of them your making fun of the Word of God "Jesus". Paul the the called after the resurrection Apostle said he prayed in tongues more than all of us first Corinthians 14:18, With that one least gift of jabber from God Paul wrote 2/3rd of the New Testament. Not to bad for a jabberin believer. Paul worships the same Jesus as us.
---Bryan on 10/3/13


Praying in tongues(if by tongues one means untranslatable jabbering in no particular language)is NOT the same thing as praying in the Holy Spirit.
But of course, there are distinctions that ignorant people cannot make.
Cluny

Here, here!
And you could say there were only two ignorant people there me and my mother.
//That's because spiritual things are spiritually discerned!// So true!
But as ignorant as me and my mother were, we were witness to a man.
Being brought to his knee, jabbering in no particular language!
With no one, but no one asking, him to!
// How wonderful for your brother, TheSeg. He was so broad minded and tolerant he could even accept God.//Whats wonderful was the change, in his life!
Peace
---TheSeg on 10/3/13


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Praying in tongues (if by tongues one means untranslatable jabbering in no particular language) is NOT the same thing as praying in the Holy Spirit.

But of course, there are distinctions that ignorant people cannot make.

That's because spiritual things are spiritually discerned.

(How wonderful for your brother, TheSeg. He was so broad minded and tolerant he could even accept God.)

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/3/13


OK, I just don't believe in praying in tongues.
Does that make you happy?
I did what (you asked me to do!)

See Bryan I have an older brother many years ago.
He seemed to be having a problem accepting God!
One rainy day two men knocked on the door.
(We still don't know who they were!)

They asked him, "are you ready to accept God!"
Just like that, this is all true!

It seems to me, he didn't answer fast enough!
So, down on his knees he went. Started speaking in tongues!
I've never seen anybody more shaken in my life!
At the end of his ordeal, they asked him.
Are you ready now!

Guess what his answer was?
And to this day!
Peace
---TheSeg on 10/3/13


Bryan, again you add to the word of God. You give,
" I Corinthians 14:39 Therefore, my brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues. If what you preach is against praying in tongues."
The passage is not teaching how believers should pray. There is no praying lesson here. Then say,
" Your going against Jesus with his own words." Those were not Jesus words on how to pray, but Paul's words to the Corinthian Church. Jesus commanded us on how to pray in (Matt. 6:5-8).
---Mark_V. on 10/3/13


Tell you What Seg have enough gust to say you just don't believe in praying in tongues. So that makes you a unbeliever. Does it make you evil no just means you don't believe in praying in Tongues. So quit kicking at Jesus, in us who do believe in praying in tongues. And it does not make us evil cause we do believe in praying in tongues.
---Bryan on 10/2/13


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I know Jed!
Im just wondering when this Christ like person will see that.
Ive got all the time in the world.

But also see, there a difference between reality and fantasy.
Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

Mat 7:21 Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord,-
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord,-
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Bryan said: If believers want to pray in the Holy Spirit. (I say go for it!)
This comes not from God, but from Bryan!
Do you see the difference?

Peace Bro
---TheSeg on 10/1/13


If what you preach is against praying in tongues.
Bryan

I do not preach! If the true God wants you to know a thing, he, himself will give it to you.
1Jn_2:27: But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and (ye need not that any man teach you): but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
This also is written in the Scriptures!

As far as 1Co_14:39 goes, forbid not to speak with tongues!
Did I write 1Co 14:28: But if there be no interpreter?
No, the apostle Paul did, he's the one that's preaching.
The Scriptures are clear!
---TheSeg on 10/1/13


Seg, those scriptures you posted in no way condemn speaking in tongues. They actually prove that it is real.
---Jed on 10/1/13


I Corinthians 14:32 The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. I Corinthians 14:39 Therefore, my brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues. If what you preach is against praying in tongues. Your going against Jesus with his on words. I don't think that is a good thing you can try but the fruit on your tree maybe a little ugly.
---Bryan on 10/1/13


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If believers want to pray in the Holy Spirit. I say go for it.
Bryan

There those gut feeling again, even if it goes against the Scriptures!
1Co_14:27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course, and let one interpret.
1Co 14:28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church, and let him speak to himself, and to God.

2Ti_3:14-16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

1Co_14:33 For God is not the author of confusion!
---TheSeg on 10/1/13


There it is right in front of your eyes. You have made a religion out of the scriptures. You try to form Jesus into your image. Instead of letting Jesus change you into his Image. What did clung type His likeness his Image unto the fulness of Christ. Is that not your purpose?
---Bryan on 10/1/13


If what you believe tares down the Body of Christ is that a good thing? If believers want to pray in the Holy Spirit. I say go for it. If it gets out of order We could say you could do it that way but lets do it this way. Don't kick at Jesus with his on words. He will set your back side on fire if you keep it up. Just ask "Paul"
---Bryan on 10/1/13


(The first miracle he did was turn water into wine)
Bryan on 9/30/13

Luk_24:16 But their eyes were holden that they should not know him!

But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, today is the third day since these things were done.

O fools, and slow of heart (to believe all that the prophets have spoken): Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

(And beginning at Moses) and (all the prophets), (he expounded) unto them in all the scriptures (the things concerning himself.)

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth!
Do you need scripture and verses on that to?
It seems to me you do!
---TheSeg on 9/30/13


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Clung did you not say you goal in life is "that we are all growing more into His image and likeness, measured by the "fullness of Christ". Seg is that your Goal to? I don't have any problems with organizes religion. But what I see in organizes religion is not the Gospel in very many places. If Jesus sets you free. u need verse and scripture? look it up yourself. Then u can call Jesus a lair, If it did not bother him, Bible LKITUP sharing the same word and power Who are you calling a lair? "Paul" Jesus said to him Why do you persecuting me. Jesus was already gone to heaven setting at the right hand of the father. How did Saul do that?
---Bryan on 9/30/13


both hearing them, and asking them questions. again segy keep it in context. He was setting and talking to the religious leaders. He did not turn any water into wine then did he? No he did not. The first miracle he did was turn water into wine, He even said I can't put new wine into old wine skins. Are you a old wine skin like cluny? That was after the Holy Spirit decided on him, Then he was tempted for 40 days and nights. That is my Jesus kicking satan back side. With only the word of God nothing else just the word. Do you need scripture and verses on that to?
---Bryan on 9/30/13


Amen Cluny!
Just reading the some of the things he says.
He talks as if he is the only one who can understand.
On another blog, he basically said he doesn't need the Scriptures.
He knows the word when he hears it!
Maybe we should all just hang on is every word!

It also seems to me, he got a big problem with organized religion.
Maybe he should read 2Co_10:7, some more!
I understand, I mean, so do I. You've heard me say I have no religion.
But I don't condemn anybody for it.
In actuality, I see a big, big need for it!

But he's not the first and he won't be the last.
That is unless he believes he is, get it!
Peace
---TheSeg on 9/30/13


Note that Bryan cannot actually refute what I say, so he stoops to ad hominem attacks.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/30/13


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Just wonderful, Darlene_1 Scriptural
Peace


//Did you ever notes Jesus did not start doing anything until the Holy Spirit descended on him?//
Bryan on 9/27/13

And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions. And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers.

And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?

And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
---TheSeg on 9/30/13


Darlene_1 Good word
---Bryan on 9/30/13


cluny there you go again babbling about things. Making fun of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. If Jesus is your Savior, How do you know you have the true savior? How do you know you have the true Holy Spirit? Just babblin c l u n y
---Bryan on 9/30/13


Darlene, thanks for your post. just because I don't believe in tongues, I still love you as a sister and a friend. once I went to a church that did that and I was very uncomfortable.
---shira4368 on 9/30/13


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Shira,dear friend, maybe I can help a little bit,the Bible says that the Holy Ghost gave utterance of tongues,so it isn't just a person out of their ability speaking in tongues. The Bible also says that if we speak in tongues,as in a group,church,we are to pray for the interpretation,usually someone else receives the interpretation but if not it's up to the one speaking to pray for it. I've done it and yes God gave the English for the tongues. Yes we speak in tongues at home,in fact I sing in tongues at home alone because I am talking only to Jesus it doesn't have to be interpreted. In fact I wasn't at church when I received the Gift of the Baptism of the HG. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 9/29/13


\\Interesting how you don't possess any of the first 8 Spiritual gifts (Wisdom, knowledge, faith, healings, miracles, prophecy, discernment, tongues),\\

You don't actually think that YOU possess any TRUE gifts of the Holy Spirit, do you?

The important thing with any sign gift--tongues, prophecy, healing, or whatever--is what DOCTRINE comes with it.

I've already given an example of false doctrine accompanying the silly babbling that people think is the gift of tongues.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/29/13


cluny you babble about the word of God how we should believe it. Your not Jesus you don't give out the Gifts and how they should be used it's not up to you. When I hear you have given up your life for all of mankind then I would consider you opinion.
---Bryan on 9/29/13



The meaningless babbling of glossolalia is NOT the Biblical gift of tongues, NOR is it praying in the Holy Spirit.
---Cluny on 9/27/13


Cluny, you sound strikingly similar to the unbelievers who witnessed Jesus' followers speaking in tongues on Pentecost. They even accused them of being intoxicated! Your type have been accusing God's people who are blessed with the Holy Spirit of being drunk, mentally ill, or as you so eloquently put it, "meaningless babbling", since Pentecost in the upper room 2000 years ago. You do not understand the mysterious workings of God so you have to mock. Don't think that just because you haven't experienced something that it isn't real.
---Jed on 9/29/13


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I DO know that nonsensical babbling is NOT the Biblical gift of tongues...

THIS is true Biblical tongues.

Glory to Jesus Christ!

---Cluny on 9/29/13


No, what happened in the upper room on Pentecost is the true Biblical tongues. And your story doesn't at all resemble what happened in the upper room on Pentecost.

Interesting how you don't possess any of the first 8 Spiritual gifts (Wisdom, knowledge, faith, healings, miracles, prophecy, discernment, tongues), yet you presume that you have the gift of Interpretation of tongues?
---Jed on 9/29/13


cliff you are so right on tongues. I know I am saved and I have never spoken in "tongues". why are tongues spoken in only 1 denomination? I can neither speak Chinese or latino. do you agree when we are saved, we do speak in a new tongue?
---shira4368 on 9/29/13


\\Well the Bible says that tongues is a gift of the Holy Spirit.\\

I don't doubt that.

But I DO know that nonsensical babbling is NOT the Biblical gift of tongues.

St. Innocent Veniaminov was an Orthodox missionary to Alaska. He was the first European to learn the Tlinkit and Inuit languages--in a matter of three weeks. He reduced their language to writing (based on the Church Slavonic alphabet), translated the Gospels and Divine Liturgy into their languages, and wrote what is still their standard grammars.

THIS is true Biblical tongues.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/29/13


some speak in an unknown tongue. well Chinese is unknown to me. at Pentecost everyone heard in their own language. now why do some speak in an unknown tongue that no one can understand? it seems strange the only time someone speaks in an unknown tongue, it is always at the same denomination. why is that? do they speak in unknown tongues while at home?
---shira4368 on 9/29/13


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Jed Good word.
---Bryan on 9/29/13



Corinth was a box of moral, pastoral, and spiritual problems... But they could speak in tongues till the cows came home!

So what?

Glory to Jesus Christ!

---Cluny on 9/28/13


Well the Bible says that tongues is a gift of the Holy Spirit. By belittling that gift, you belittle the Holy Spirit. Of course not everyone who speaks in "tongues" is performing the genuine act, but the gift most definitely is real, and it's easy to tell who really is filled with the Spirit. Do they exhibit the FRUITS of the Spirit ( love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control)? You have displayed none of those attributes throughout all your time on these blogs.
---Jed on 9/28/13


There is nothing hidden from Jesus If you ask him. He will show you. I ask him He said they maded a religion out of my words they know the word but they don't know me. They can quote scripture and verse, but would they know me if they saw me? Jesus is not just verses in the bible he is alive. That is why when you read the bible it always shows you more of the Glory of God in Christ Jesus. Do you just need verses and scripture to know the Lord? That is the starting point. Get to know him he is a Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. If you need the scripture to prove that to you it is Isaiah 9:6.
---Bryan on 9/28/13


Except for Pentacost when people "heard" in their own language ,as opposed to speaking foreign languages, when did Jesus or any other Apostle speak in tongues?
---1st_cliff on 9/28/13


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**Cluny, just because you havent received or experienced the gifts of the spirit,**

I HAVE received and experienced the gifts of the HOLY Spirit.

I have also seen people who claim to speak in tongues deny the physical resurrection of our Savior, saying that Jesus couldn't perform any miracles after His resurrection because the Holy Spirit needs a physical body to manifest through.

Corinth was a box of moral, pastoral, and spiritual problems. Members had their own favorite parachurch ministries, the clergy couldn't celebrate the Eucharist properly, there was incest, some didn't even believe in the Resurrection.

But they could speak in tongues till the cows came home!

So what?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/28/13


John 7:38, Romans 8:26 cluny does your bible have that scripture in it? Did you ever notes Jesus did not start doing anything until the Holy Spirit descended on him? Luke 3:22
---Bryan on 9/27/13


Signs belong to the nation of Israel. When God sends a message through signs it is always to the nation of Israel. Signs are Israels and there have been times of judgment where God did not give the nation of Israel signs, prophecy, or knowledge. Same thing Paul says will cease when the perfect thing comes. Perfect is the revelation of the mystery, which completes the word of God.
---michael_e on 9/27/13


Cluny, just because you havent received or experienced the gifts of the spirit, like tongues, dicernment, and wisdom, doesn't mean that these gifts don't exist or that other people aren't genuinely exercize them, or that they are faking it.
---Jed on 9/27/13


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\\As for the Gifts of God cluny do believer have to ask you for them before they as God for them?\\

The meaningless babbling of glossolalia is NOT the Biblical gift of tongues, NOR is it praying in the Holy Spirit.

You are basing your questions on wrong presuppositions.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/27/13


Well stated, Leon.
---Jed on 9/27/13


josef Good word "Romans 8,27
---Bryan on 9/27/13


As for the Gifts of God cluny do believer have to ask you for them before they as God for them? You sound like a believer who tries to control people in what they believe, telling them what they asked God for they did not get. That is sick man. That is worse than my bad spelling.
---Bryan on 9/27/13


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"What is the purpose of praying in the Holy Spirit?"
To build oneself up in the Faith. Jud 1:20
"Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses". "For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought." Rom 8:26
However,"He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God."Rom 8:27
---josef on 9/26/13


Cluny: Obviously, you consider me to be in the very same category as the other bloggers you disdain since I (no one else) asked you the question. Examine yourself! None of us (you included) have arrived at a place of total Christian maturity or purity.

Your loveless, sanctimonious spirit gives no glory to God. You seem to think none of us are on your lofty level of understanding. "Glory to Jesus Christ!", indeed! But those are just a few "trite" & empty words you use repetitively to make yourself seem to be holier than everyone else. You need to repent!

By the way, since you didn't like Bryan's blog question, you really didn't have to kick dirt on it. Your attitude determines your altitude, dude!
---Leon on 9/26/13


Cause they don't believe like you, you think they don't deserve Gods word? cluny You have been give salvation and you mock Jesus for what reason? To prove your more holy than the rest of us? Jesus said if you if you thing your great your are really nothing. Cause all you have he gave to you even the air you breath.
---Bryan on 9/26/13


What Cluny is actually saying is "I don't have a real answer which can be supported biblically. So rather than embarrass myself by exposing my unbiblical beliefs and general lack of understanding, I'm going to refuse to answer and accuse you of being the one who is not spiritual enough to understand, thus undeserving of an answer from me. And then in a final act of desperation, I'll simply claim spiritual superiority and make a pathetic attempt at being witty by insulting you with my usual cliches/one-liner personal attacks that I have been using for years, which I still seem to think are funny. And this distraction tactic will continue until the blog is about to close, at which point I will ask you to repeat your questions.
---Jed on 9/26/13


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\\Cluny: So, you're saying I & some others here don't merit a Christlike response from you to the question?\\

No.

What I'm saying is that there are so many people on these blogs who don't understand Who Jesus Christ really is that it is pointless to give strong meat/food (such as the true teaching on mystical prayer in the Holy Spirit) on here when these same people can't even digest milk yet.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/26/13


Read the Question again what is the purpose of praying in the Holy Spirit? Some have answered well. Some answer by their religion.
---Bryan on 9/26/13


Bryan: Praying in tongues is God's design so do not ask men to explain everything about it to you. It is better to direct this question to God, i believe you are His child.
---Adetunji on 9/26/13


"Explaining spiritual realities will mean nothing to people whose Christology is unsound and don't understand Who Jesus really is, and I'm not going to waste my time. Glory to Jesus Christ!"
---Cluny on 9/25/13


Cluny: So, you're saying I & some others here don't merit a Christlike response from you to the question? Interesting! That's awfully self-righteous (unChristlike) of you. It appears you really don't know how to properly answer the question & are too proud to admit it. You delude yourself & give Jesus no glory being puffed up & arrogant Cluny.

I agree Rita_H. Thx Bryan.
---Leon on 9/26/13


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**"...Praying in tongues is not the same thing as praying in the Holy Spirit. Glory to Jesus Christ!"
---Cluny on 9/24/13

Please explain the difference Cluny.
---Leon on 9/25/13**

Explaining spiritual realities will mean nothing to people whose Christology is unsound and don't understand Who Jesus really is, and I'm not going to waste my time.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/25/13


There must be a reason for all things given by God. God gave this particular gift to 'some' people. Some think it was meant for a brief period in time and others think it's for today. I don't argue either way but will say it is not a gift that I have received. Some tell me I should pray for it and then I'd receive it but that is not scriptural.

'God gives His gifts to whom He chooses' and the bible tells us how He gave one gift to certain people and another to others etc.

Those with this gift should use it to glorify God not to make themselves look like superior Christians. Leave others to use the gifts they DO have rather than fretting about not having the one others have.
---Rita_H on 9/26/13


Leon that is another good word.
---Bryan on 9/25/13


"...Praying in tongues is not the same thing as praying in the Holy Spirit. Glory to Jesus Christ!"
---Cluny on 9/24/13


Please explain the difference Cluny.
---Leon on 9/25/13


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//What is the purpose of praying in the Holy Spirit?//

To show ones ignorance?
---michael_e on 9/25/13


Builds you up in your most Holy Faith. That is true, Now that your faith is build up when you share the Gospel people eyes will be opened to the truth. "you can pray in your on language", But how do you know it is in the Holy Spirit?
---Bryan on 9/25/13


Getting ready to give us another sermon, Bryan? I've learned from your posts that your initial questions are never a request for information.

Praying in tongues is not the same thing as praying in the Holy Spirit.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/24/13


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