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I have a boyfriend. He is Catholic and I'm Christian. My dad doesn't not approve because of his religion. Like I tell him he makes happy like no else has. So I am asking for help. Because my dad does not get it. We are all God's children and we are all one.

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Cluny:

You asked: Can you be saved by holding on to false doctrine?

No, but then again, nowhere does scripture teach that we are saved by doctrine. We are saved through faith.

As James points out, Satan knows exactly who God is and what he requires, but that knowledge will not save him.

In Matthew 25, where Jesus describes the final judgment, the separation between righteous and wicked is not based on correct doctrine, nor knowledge of scriptures, nor membership in the correct group. It is based solely on their acts of compassion. The Pharisee's meticulous knowledge of doctrine didn't save them either.
---StrongAxe on 1/8/14


The REAL question should be if a Christian should date a Protestant, Roman Catholic, or Easeangelical.

Christ is baptized.
---Cluny on 1/8/14


\\The scriptures clearly show that doctrine is important, but they do not say it is of primary importance. Note that these were all written to believers. Being saved in the first place is more important than doctrine, even though the two are related\\

Can you be saved by holding on to false doctrine?

2 Thess says you can believe a lie and be damned.

Christ is baptized!
---Cluny on 1/7/14


Samuelbb7 wrote: Doctrine is of secondary importance.

Cluny wrote: The Word of God disagrees with you.

These two are not necessarily opposites. The scriptures clearly show that doctrine is important, but they do not say it is of primary importance. Note that these were all written to believers. Being saved in the first place is more important than doctrine, even though the two are related, just as being alive is more important than good nutrition - a balanced diet is of little use to a corpse. Sound doctrine is of little use to unbelievers. It was also not particularly useful to the Pharisees, who could quote chapter and verse to the letter, yet missed the forest for the trees.
---StrongAxe on 1/7/14


\\Doctrine is of secondary importance.\\

The Word of God disagrees with you.

Romans 6:17
But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

Romans 16:17
Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned, and avoid them.

1 Timothy 1:3
As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine,

There are others, but you get the idea.

Christ is baptized.
---Cluny on 1/7/14




Samuelbb7, catherine:

There is a popular conceit among many who consider themselves Christian, while dmisissing people of other groups as not "real" Christians.Some Catholics dismiss protestants. Some evangelicals dismiss Catholics. Some mormons dismiss non-Mormons as "gentiles". Most Jehovah's witnesses dismiss all other Christians, etc. etc.

Such people are so sure of their own righteouessness and are considered that they are "better" than those they marginalize. But if you look at the final judgment (Matthew 25) it is precisely those people who think highly of themselves and feel so self-assured about their own position in the kingdom that Jesus rejects, because they missed the big picture.
---StrongAxe on 10/5/13


Technically Roman Catholics as well as Orthodox are Christians. The girl should say but I am a Protestant or name of her denomination.

But being a church member does not make a person a true follower of JESUS CHRIST. Whether a person shows love to GOD and others shows if we are Christians.

Doctrine is of secondary importance. JESUS mentioned the Pharisees had some correct doctrines. But they were not saved.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/4/13


We are not all God's children, only a few. To be considered God's child you must be born-again. Otherwise, Satan is your father. You must be adopted by God, the living God... To answer your question, some Catholics are saved. Religion, per say, should not enter into the picture. Is he saved? All that matters. "Be ye not unequally yoke together", is also Scripture....Your dad should back off!
---catherine on 10/4/13


Quit trying to claim the spiritual high ground by laying a guilt trip on me.

It's not working, Jed.

And I've already reproved you with the words of Our Savior.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/4/13


my heart does not condemn me.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/2/13


This is your condemnation: That the Light has come into darkness, but you loved your darkness rather than the light, because your deed are evil. - John 3:19
---Jed on 10/4/13




Gordon: You are trapped in a pagan Greek mindset. The "soul" is not a separable, self-existent entity. There is no need to gather up spirits. David WAS his "soul".

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

Psa 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth, in that very day his thoughts perish.

The "spirit" that returns to God at death is God's breath of life - not the person. The person ceases to exist until he is recreated (not re-combined using old parts) immortal at the resurrection.



---jerry6593 on 10/4/13


\\ You quote scriptures that describe yourself and then expect me to feel condemned by them? What a sad little individual you are. \\

Then why are YOU calling me a bully when I quote the words of Jesus from the Gospel that describe YOU?

I'm not conviced by either you or the Holy Spirit, because my heart does not condemn me.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/2/13



You clearly feel condemned by the very words of the Savior, but **I** am the bully?

Don't blame me for your guilty conscience.

Glory to Jesus Christ!

---Cluny on 10/2/13


You're projecting again, I see. I don't feel condemned at all, because I am not. You quote scriptures that describe yourself and then expect me to feel condemned by them? What a sad little individual you are.

The Holy Spirit doesn't condemn, He convicts. And the fact that you have no conviction indicates a lack of His presence in your life!
---Jed on 10/2/13


\\Why do you work so hard to prove my claims about you?
---Jed on 10/2/13\\

You clearly feel condemned by the very words of the Savior, but **I** am the bully?

Don't blame me for your guilty conscience.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/2/13


Catholics look to Mary to intercede with Christ for them. For proof of this google "The Immaculate Heart of Mary". It is truly shocking what you will read there.
---Simone_G on 10/2/13


Wow Cluny, even morr arrogance and ridicule from you. You sound like a third grade bully. Why do you work so hard to prove my claims about you?
---Jed on 10/2/13


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---jerry6593 * Ruben: Yes indeed, there are a few alive (and immortal) in heaven .

So now you say some are in heaven:)

jerry6593 * Note where these "many" were before the resurrection - not in heaven but "asleep".

Tell me how did they round up all the spirits and put them back in the grave?
Give BVC on that?

jerry6593 * What do you make of:

Act 2:29,34 For David is not ascended into the heavens:

Jerry Peter is saying that God had promise him a descendants on his throne and did not take him in Heaven to see it, Peter also say his bones are there but where is his soul?
---Ruben on 10/2/13


\\Arrogance and ridicule are not attributes of a Child of God, but of a bitter and hateful lost soul.
---Jed on 9/30/13
\\

As Jesus said, "Out of your own mouth you will be condemned, and out of your own mouth you will be justified."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/2/13


Ruben: Yes indeed, there are a few alive (and immortal) in heaven because they were either translated (Elijah and Enoch) or resurrected (Moses and the "many" who were resurrected with Jesus).

Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened, and many bodies of the saints which slept arose.

Note where these "many" were before the resurrection - not in heaven but "asleep".

What do you make of:

Act 2:29,34 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. .... For David is not ascended into the heavens:



---jerry6593 on 10/2/13


jerry6593* Ruben: With respect, if you are correct, then the Scriptures I gave are a lie. Do you really believe that?

No, the lie is your interpretation of the scripture verse!


jerry6593 *The scriptures you gave, on the other hand, do not explicitly state that Mary (or most anyone else for that matter) are currently alive in heaven.


Mosea and Elijah are told talking to Jesus(MT 17:3)

" Many holy people who had died appearded to many"(MT 27:53)

Question:

What happened to them, did they round they up and put them back in the grave?
---Ruben on 10/1/13


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ruben, why do you say Billy Graham is a false prophet?
---shira4368 on 10/1/13


Ruben: With respect, if you are correct, then the Scriptures I gave are a lie. Do you really believe that? The scriptures you gave, on the other hand, do not explicitly state that Mary (or most anyone else for that matter) are currently alive in heaven. The Bible teaches throughout that man is NOT naturally immortal, but will "put on" immortality in the resurrection at the last day, as:

Joh 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

What you espouse is the Greek philosophy of good spook trapped in a bad body released at death.




---jerry6593 on 9/30/13



You're the one making attacks on me and Roman Catholics (which I am not, but you don't seem to be able to grasp that).
---Cluny on 9/29/13


No. I'm attacking a false religion, based upon SCRIPTURE. Saying that the Bible tells us Jesus (not Mary) is the only mediator between God and Man, or that praying to someone and saying they are sinless is an act of idol worship, is completely different than making ridiculous remarks like "have you not yet learned that the way things seem to you bears no relationship to reality? If it seems to you that Roman Catholics make Mary a deity, that means the definitely do not."

Arrogance and ridicule are not attributes of a Child of God, but of a bitter and hateful lost soul.
---Jed on 9/30/13


\\ And that lame personal attacks on me prove nothing for your case? They only show that you have no actual scriptural or factual defense for your false religion.\\

You're the one making attacks on me and Roman Catholics (which I am not, but you don't seem to be able to grasp that).

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/29/13


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No child...we are not all God's Children--only those who have been saved-accepted Jesus as their personal Lord and Saviour. All others are God's unsaved, rebellious creation, separated from God because of sin. Is this boyfriend a true lover of Christ? Has he given his heart completely to Jesus? Has he been born again? that is what is important, as the Bible tells us not to be unequally yoked with an unbeliever.
---Judy on 9/29/13


Cluny, have you not yet learned that you have no concept of reality? And that lame personal attacks on me prove nothing for your case? They only show that you have no actual scriptural or factual defense for your false religion.
---Jed on 9/29/13


Mary is dead. The Bible says:

Ecc 9:5 the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward,.



---jerry6593 on 9/29/13

Two things:

First about the scripture verse you quote:

Does not the bible tell us that the dead will get a reward in Heaven , this scripture verse tells us they do not at all!

Second does not Jesus tell us,

" I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, He is not the God of the dead but of the living"(MT 22:32

" He who believes in me will live, even though he dies, and whoever lives and believes in me will never die"

Jesus is asking you a question,

"Do you believe this?" (JHN 11:25-26
---Ruben on 9/29/13


Jed, have you not yet learned that the way things seem to you bears no relationship to reality?

If it seems to you that Roman Catholics make Mary a deity, that means the definitely do not.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/29/13


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Why all this talk about Mary? Mary is dead. The Bible says:

Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward, for the memory of them is forgotten.
Ecc 9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished, neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.



---jerry6593 on 9/29/13



\Doesn't this sound like Mary is deity?\\

Nope.

Glory to Jesus Christ!

---Cluny on 9/28/13


Actually it does.

Glory to Jesus Christ indeed!
---Jed on 9/28/13


The "warning" by Christ is so that His people are foretold of such false christs that will come into this world. For e.g., I will openly declare to you that Billy Graham, the Vatican, John Wesley - they all preach a false christ. But because of His Spirit in the elect, they will never be fooled.
---christan on 9/26/13

If the elect will never to fooled, then why the warning?? Why would the elect need to know about the false christ since it does not matter to them at all!
---Ruben on 9/28/13


\\Doesn't this sound like Mary is deity?\\

Nope.

\\ At the throne of God\\

Does not St. Paul urge us ALL to come "boldly before the throne of grace to find help in time of need"?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/28/13


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\\i believe the catholic church beliefs are crazy if u look in the bible they are wrong,\\

I looked in the Bible and discovered that many Protestant and Evangelical beliefs are crazy.

That's why I'm Orthodox.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/28/13


-Kimberly_Marroquin your boyfriend is probably a great guy,i have been born a catholic,but i believe the catholic church beliefs are crazy if u look in the bible they are wrong,its not my fault i was born a catholic neither is it your boyfriends,if i can help you private mail me?
---jamea3475 on 9/28/13


Kimberly, it is not your dad that doesn't get it, it is you who doesn't get it. Because he is mature enough to know the differenc between the teachings of Scripture and the teaching of the catholic church. listen to your dad.
---Mark_V. on 9/28/13


You're human. If someone tells you what you want to hear, and gives you what you want, you can be "happy" because of getting your own way.

Many in American culture have learned how to put on the "you can use me" act, of talking smart, being charming . . . showing they are smart enough to do what you want and be nice about it. And people are in love with what they want, so they fall in love with someone who promises them what they want.

And pedophile predators, also, can put on the act that even high-up religious leaders want to see and hear.

So we humans are able to fool our own selves. "'Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.'" (John 7:24)
---willie_c: on 9/27/13


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Cluny, here is how Pope Pius IX painted the picture of Mary,
"The resplendent glory of her merits, far exceeding all the choirs of angels, elevates her to the very steps of the throne of God. Her foot has crushed the head of Satan. Set up between Christ and His Church, Mary, ever lovable and full of grace, always has delivered the Christian people from their greatest calamaties and from the snares and assaults of all their enemies, ever rescuing them from ruin"
Ubi Primum, 2 Feb. 1849.
Doesn't this sound like Mary is deity? At the throne of God? That she is the mediator between man and Jesus Christ? That she delivers and rescues the people, not Christ? Why do you think I said Jesus was resplace at your church?
---Mark_V. on 9/27/13


I'm saying you're wrong when you say it sounds like deity to you.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/27/13


Cluny, I'm not wrong. How am I wrong, You didn't explain or give any correction other than to just say I am wrong. Do Catholics not believe Mary is sinless? Do they not pray to Mary? You are wrong.
---Jed on 9/27/13


Kimberly, you say he has made you more happy than anyone else ever has.

How happy has Jesus made you, then??

How about mature Christian people who have been corrected by God and have been learning how to love, for longer than you have been on this earth? Why haven't they done you more good than your boyfriend has?

Who is your father, if your boyfriend has been doing you more good than your father has done you?

If you are all one, why are you not one with your father???? It sounds like you are making things up, so you can get your own way.
---willie_c: on 9/26/13


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\\Cluny, the Catholics believe Mary is sinless. That sure sounds like a deity to me! \\

But you're wrong. (We'll leave aside the issue of whether the way things sound to you bears any connection to reality.)

\\Yes, I know Catholics don't call her a deity, but they worship her as one.\\

Wrong again--twice in only two sentences.

How do you manage, Jed?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/26/13


Kimberly, don't be fooled into thinking that the Roman Catholics are Christians, they're not. I was a cradle Catholic for almost the entire of my life and I assure you they do not worship the God of the Bible.
---christan on 9/26/13

Is it true, the majority of Calvinists were once Catholic? It appears so. Funny, but many of the Calvinists beliefs are STILL RCC doctrine! and was born in the RCC. Infant Baptism. Calvin stated he was regenerated at his infant water baptism. And Augustine, a devout RCC, and gnostic invented the TULIP. And they still believed in CONTROLLING the lives of those they believed were under their authority. Just check out Geneva, and Calvin making himself the Protestant POPE.
---kathr4453 on 9/26/13


Think of the future. Would you marry him? Would you convert to Catholicism, or go to church alone? Would you let your children be raised Catholic? Would you want them praying to Mary, and doing penance for God's forgiveness?
---Grandma on 9/26/13


Cluny, the Catholics believe Mary is sinless. That sure sounds like a deity to me! Yes, I know Catholics don't call her a deity, but they worship her as one. They only deceive themselves. Only God is sinless and can answer our prayers. And only Jesus can mediate to His Father for our sins.
---Jed on 9/26/13


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Ruben, You ask is because you've no knowledge of what constitutes to an elect of God and more importantly you don't believe that God has chosen before the foundations of the world.

Even God elects are born into this world just like the reprobates, void of God, void of the Holy Spirit and void of the Truth. But in God's will from eternity, only God's chosen elect will receive salvation according to His will, purpose and time.

The "warning" by Christ is so that His people are foretold of such false christs that will come into this world. For e.g., I will openly declare to you that Billy Graham, the Vatican, John Wesley - they all preach a false christ. But because of His Spirit in the elect, they will never be fooled.
---christan on 9/26/13


Ruben I don't do comparisons with the church of 2000 years ago. I go by what is said in God's Word.
God warns against adding to, or taking away from, God's Word.
---Rita_H on 9/26/13


\\I don't claim to know much about the catholic faith ...\\

The fact that you think that Roman Catholics make Mary a deity proves that you are correct about yourself when you claim that you don't know much about the Roman Catholic (or, for that matter, Orthodox) faith.

Instead of proving your ignorance, why not find out from authoritative sources that Roman Catholics and Orthodox actually believe?

As the late Fulton Sheen said, "Many people hate what they think is the Catholic faith. Very few reject what the Catholic faith actually is. And if the Catholic faith really were what most people hate, Catholics would reject it, too."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/26/13


I don't claim to know much about the catholic faith but my bible teaches we pray to God in Jesus name. so....why do they go to a priest for forgiveness? no priest can forgive anyone for salvation. another thing, mary is not deity. she was a woman God used for His Honor and glory. mary did have other children. she had a special calling by God.
---shira4368 on 9/26/13


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christan * If they were then Christ wouldn't have warned, "For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ, and shall deceive many. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." Matthew 24:5,24 - this warning applies to denominations too.

don't mean to change the subject but why would the elect be warn if OSAS?

Christan* Be mindful when you say "We are all God's children and we are all one", it's farthest from the truth according to the Scriptures.

According to Christan scripture interpretanation:)
---Ruben on 9/26/13


I know that there are R.Catholics here and I don't say this to offend but I find it strange that any Christian would choose to remain in a church which teaches many falsehoods - especially about Mary, the creation of saints etc.
---Rita_H on 9/26/13

Offend me is when someone claims to know what the Catholoic Church teaches and says it is falsehood. Tell me Rita how do you know your interpretation is correct over a Church who was around over 2000 yrs?
---Ruben on 9/26/13


Kimberly, don't be fooled into thinking that the Roman Catholics are Christians, they're not. I was a cradle Catholic for almost the entire of my life and I assure you they do not worship the God of the Bible.

If they were then Christ wouldn't have warned, "For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ, and shall deceive many. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." Matthew 24:5,24 - this warning applies to denominations too.

Be mindful when you say "We are all God's children and we are all one", it's farthest from the truth according to the Scriptures.
---christan on 9/26/13


Acts 2 v 38 Pentecost Are God Made Christians.

For the catholics are Man - made trinity christians Rev.17 v's 4 - 6, their author Is 2nd.Cor.11 v 14. Then his ministers in verse 15.
---Lawrence on 9/26/13


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I don't know any Roman Catholics who are Christians although they will all say that they are. However, I do know quite a number of ex-Catholics who became saved once they were taught correctly about God's love and His Son Jesus. One of the first things these new Christians did was to leave a church which they felt had deceived them for their whole life. They have never looked back.
I know that there are R.Catholics here and I don't say this to offend but I find it strange that any Christian would choose to remain in a church which teaches many falsehoods - especially about Mary, the creation of saints etc.
---Rita_H on 9/26/13


Kimberly, first, Christian is NOT the opposite of Catholic. Catholics ARE Christians.

However, your post sounds like you still live with your father. If you do, then remember this: His house, his rules.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/25/13


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