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 ---Bryan on 9/26/13
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Did anyone read the next verse re, baptize with fire.....something about burning away the chaff. It's also interesting where in the NT where FIRE is used, re trials testing etc.

Yes, we see how those fiery trials do burn away the chaff. 1st Peter 4 , starting at 1 is a great example of this fact.

You will understand it when you have experienced it. This wisdom and understanding comes only from The Lord, and I believe Thesselonians tells us this is a token of God that we really are saved.

So people can argue night and day whether they are the elect or not, but the PROOF of your salvation is in the pudding. ONLY THOSE who suffer with Him will be Glorified together with Him.
---kathr4453 on 10/8/13


Shira, I do not believe you understood my answer very clearly. I said I was not talking about baptism of the flesh. That is water baptism. I was saying there is no two spiritual baptisms in a believers life, but one. When we are made spiritually alive together with Christ, we are spiritually baptized into one body in Christ. The Spirit is now in us. We do not need the Spirit to be in us again. The first time is forever. When we are fill with the Spirit, it is saying we are given the ability of many gifts of the Spirit, but they are for ministry. Water baptism saves no one. We are saved by Grace through faith. Not by water. If your husband believed by faith, he is saved. That means God saved him by grace.
---Mark_V. on 10/8/13


"I could write clear English sentences before I got out of elementary school."
Cluny
Wow! No wonder I almost faint when you post.
Do you think everyone "got out of elementary school?"
Remember the shepard that leads the sheep loves them. It is the butcher taking them to market that drives them.
---Elder on 10/7/13


markv, there is spiritual baptism and water baptism. water baptism does not save us but is a testimony that we are born again. my husband was never baptized but he was saved. He is in heaven now.
---shira4368 on 10/7/13


mark u got to be joking half baptism Look at it again mark. John said I baptist you With water the wet stuff, the stuff you drink when you get thirsty. Then John said the one who comes after me will baptist you in the Holy Spirit and Fire. Just because you expect Jesus as your savior does not mean you get the Holy Spirit. Just because the pastor says I baptist u in the Name of Father Son And Holy Spirit
Just the name only. But when "YOU" ask God to baptist "YOU" with the Holy Spirit. That is the baptism of the Holy Spirit Yes we r in one body but we all don't ask for the same things.
---Bryan on 10/7/13




Bryan, you are way off context. We are not speaking of things done in the flesh. We are speaking about a spiritual baptism. There is only one. All genuine believers are baptized into one body in Christ. It is a spiritual baptism. That comes when God makes us spiritually alive together with Christ. We are indwelled by His Spirit for ministry. One spiritual baptism. Not two times. When we are born again of the Spirit, we receive the Spirit, we do not receive the Spirit a second time. Only once. We didn't receive half of the Spirit, and later get full of the Spirit. It is a one time deal.
---Mark_V. on 10/7/13


\\Your attacks are directed at those people who may not have had the same advantages you did.\\

I could write clear English sentences before I got out of elementary school.

\\ The cyber-space clown may have affected the transition from their PC to C/N. \\

This does not affect writing fragments, "aloud" for "allowed," "lair" for "liar," or "u" for "you."

And I use a Mac.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/6/13


Interestingly, Cluny is almost as guilty of using incorrect sentence structure as anyone on here. Many times, even his "corrections" are incorrect. The rest of us just have better things to do than sit around like a no-lifer condemning people to hell for using poor grammar. There are far more important things to discuss on this site.
---Jed on 10/6/13


"Jed, on the other hand, thinks that ad homimen attacks are the same as reasoned argument."
Cluny
Cluny you do the same thing. You just specialize in using the mis-use of the English language. Your attacks are directed at those people who may not have had the same advantages you did. The cyber-space clown may have affected the transition from their PC to C/N.
You should see by now that your "corrections" are counter-productive.
---Elder on 10/6/13


\\Cluny is apparently so ignorant that he actually thinks that grammar skills are synonymous with understanding and intelligence,\\

Jed, on the other hand, thinks that ad homimen attacks are the same as reasoned argument.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/6/13




Ok markv You just said there is not second baptism. You believe you got it all in one shot. Well lets look at the word John himself said I baptist you with water that's one baptism, but then he said the who come after me will baptist you in the Holy Spirit and firer. #two, Two different baptisms, Now we see there is at least two for sure. Or unless John was a lair.
---Bryan on 10/6/13


"That's one of the things I contribute."
Cluny
You can also "contribute" rat poison to a milk shake. How much good do you think that would do?
But since you think that way...
You have again used forward and backward slash marks //\\ in place of quotation marks "".
I have never had "" marks deleted on CN so please try to use proper symbols in your post. To use improper symbols shows a lack of knowledge of what is correct.
Now, how does that feel?
---Elder on 10/6/13


\\Cluny, what I am trying to get across to you is that you have much to contribute to the C/N forum family. Don't taint it with "proper" english lessons.\\

That's one of the things I contribute.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/5/13


Cluny is apparently so ignorant that he actually thinks that grammar skills are synonymous with understanding and intelligence, and vice-versa! Wow. That mindset is proving him to be the least intelligent among us.
---Jed on 10/5/13


Cluny, what I am trying to get across to you is that you have much to contribute to the C/N forum family. Don't taint it with "proper" english lessons.
Some people have more advantage than others in this life. One of the smartist people I ever met could hardly sign his own name. His writing ability and proper use of english did not exist. His ability to earn money and confound the "educated" did.
---Elder on 10/5/13


Bryan, in your answer to me you said,
" And what did his people name their country Israel, those are simple And Gods' word is that simple to understand when you see what it was given to you for. "
The people did not name the country Israel, God gave the name Israel. If it is simple to understand, why don't you understand it? On another blog you said you can ask God for the Holy Spirit, here you say everyone has the Spirit. When someone is saved by God, he is baptized into the body of Christ, it is a spiritual baptism. All genuine believers receive the Spirit at the time of Conversion. There is no second baptism of the Spirit. There is only one.
---Mark_V. on 10/5/13


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Some folks r old wine skins, They tried to put new wine in but the skin busted apart, cause it was old. For new wine you have to have a new wine skins. II Kings 6:17 And Elisha prayed, and said, Lord, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the Lord opened the eyes of the young man, and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha. You say u can't c God that is your on fault. The word even states you can not only c into the Kingdom of Heaven but you can Know the hidden things sense the foundation of the earth. U can say u don't believe this to, that is your choice. Not Gods' for you. God is a giving Father the only thing he has ever took from me was my sin. Thank you Jesus.
---Bryan on 10/5/13


Cluny:

You wrote: ... quotation marks ... do not always get reproduced when my posts are put on line here. ... semicolons get turned into commas, and colons into periods.

This turns semicolons into commas and colons into periods, except chapter:verse notations. It doesn't like exotic characters like accented letters. I've never seen problems with single quotes(apostrophes) or double quotes.

One thing that MIGHT cause problems if if one compses a message using Microsoft Word. Word uses "smart quotes", and turns standard quotation marks into nicer-looking but non-standard open/close quotes. These frequently get mangled when pasted into other non-Microsoft applications, including web forms.
---StrongAxe on 10/5/13


Good point, Elder.

However, I've noticed that when I use quotation marks, they do not always get reproduced when my posts are put on line here.

For that matter, frequently semicolons get turned into commas, and colons into periods.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/4/13


Agh.... the joy of learning.
I was taught, using the english language, that when you wrote a person's quote you used " and " quotation marks. I was never taught to use \\ and // forward and back slash marks. But when ya are trying to be smarter than a 3rd grader ya gotta try whatever...
By the way I wasn't mistaken. I just thought that being smarter than a 5th grader would be too hard for some to understand using the english language.
Wow! What a joke... really.
---Elder on 10/4/13


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If JESUS has not changed. Then he would be attending church and keeping the Sabbath on Saturday. Just like He did the first time He came.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/4/13


Has Jesus changed? No way! In fact, the better I get to know Him, the more I can vision Him here in the flesh. What a wonderful God, Saviour, of His people. His chosen people. Hallelujah! Thank You, Jesus.
---catherine on 10/4/13


\\cluny you are not an English teacher on these blogs\\

Yes, I am.

One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is a sound mind.

A sound mind means one can think clearly.

If one thinks clearly, he will write clearly in standard English (in this case).

Bryan does not write clearly in standard English, therefore he is not thinking clearly.

What follows?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/4/13


This is a sentence fragment that would have gotten you an F in high school English and orders to rewrite it.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/4/13


And this snotty attitude would have gotten you beat up and stuffed into a trash can in high school.

I hope you know that you're not actually smarter than the other people on these blogs. Most of the folks that you take the time to "correct" probably have more English and Gramar knowledge than you. They just have better things to do than troll the blogs like a no-lifer and correct everyone else's gramar, spelling, and punctuation.
---Jed on 10/4/13


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cluny you are not an English teacher on these blogs. my brother who never worked a paying job corrected my mother then proceeded to eat her dinner that took her several hours to cook. she said receep for recipe. that is disrespect to the 10th degree. I told him to shut up.
---shira4368 on 10/4/13


\\People get anger when someone calls their religion out.\\

You do that all the time, if by "anger" you really mean "angry."

||When praying in tongues driving down the highway of life.||

This is a sentence fragment that would have gotten you an F in high school English and orders to rewrite it.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/4/13


People get anger when someone calls their religion out. As for praying in Tongues It is so cool. When praying in tongues driving down the highway of life. The Holy Spirit who will teach u all things "John 14:26" give you incite to his word. Like Mark chapter 4, When you understand it you will know what your marked for. B.I.B.L.E Basic instructions before leaving earth. Best of all God is real. And what did his people name their country Israel, those are simple And Gods' word is that simple to understand when you see what it was given to you for. " To do his will with no yours but his then you will reap his blessing.
---Bryan on 10/3/13


You make all these religious rules that go along with the baptism of the Holy Spirit. I Corinthians 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. When you understand Mark chapter 4 you will see First Corinthians 12 open before your eyes. Then you will start using the Gifts of God for his purpose only. And the word will start manifesting in you life every were your feet carry you.
---Bryan on 10/3/13


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Bryan, we belief what Jesus did, that is true. We don't question Him, but what you say. You say,
"So what I believe about Jesus Is False?" no one said that. What you believe about Jesus is true. What you believe you can do is many times false. Then say,
" Accord to your very on word you don't believe in praying in tongues so who is the unbeliever?" People don't have to pray in tongues, they profit nothing. I know English and Spanish, I'm able to pray in either one. Why should I make up words that mean nothing, you cannot empress God? God says,
"It shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer, and while they are yet speaking, I will hear" (Isa. 65:24).
---Mark_V. on 10/3/13


Bryan 2: you say if we do not believe in praying to God in tongues we are mocking Him. Jesus words on prayer,
" And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their own reward. But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place, and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly. "and when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do." For they think they will be heard for their many words"

The pagans used to pray to Apollo using ecstatic utterances.
---Mark_V. on 10/3/13


So what I believe about Jesus Is False? Accord to your very on word you don't believe in praying in tongues so who is the unbeliever? You don't believe anybody can receive from his word. How who is the unbeliever? The word of God is for Who So Ever. Why do you mock His word. If you don't believe some of it have enough gusts to say out right. If you don't believe you will reap what you sow then say it. Say it You don't believe that part of Jesus. Your mocking his Jesus not me, cause I believe what he has said no reason to doubt it.
---Bryan on 10/2/13


Rita_H, I also, am tired of the "most important gift to ChristiaNet" mentality. ChristiaNet used to be full of people who came and taught, learned and had good times with each other.
Now it appears to be a place of discord and hate.
I am not so dull as to think that Satan doesn't have any of his people here. They distort scripture and create confusion.
We that hold God's truth dear must expose them.
---Elder on 10/2/13


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Bryan, I have not seen anyone question your salvation. What they question is your preaching. You say many things that are not biblical in many other answers you give, and many here are very much knowledgable concerning the Word of God. Nothing wrong with posting questions, people are ready to answer. Don't get upset when they disagree with you. Read it, and if you believe they are wrong, give Scripture to proof they are. This way they can look it up themselves. Answering questions is what this site is about. Sometimes it sounds like you are condemning others for not doing what you do. SDA's are that way, they want everyone to do what they do or else they are breakers of the law, as if they never break the law.
---Mark_V. on 10/2/13


Has Jesus Changed? He is the same Jesus who walked with the apostles. Who now lives is in us. I will stand on the word knowing this fact. The word does not change it is the same yesterday, today, and for ever. scripture and verse Hebrews 13:8, Just a few things you should know about me Jesus is my Lord and savior. He abides in me cause I abide in him John 15:7
King James Version
7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, You will, And I have and he did, John 8:36 set free Thank you Jesus
---Bryan on 10/1/13


Elder, I am so glad that you gave that response to Bryan. There is enough discord here as it is, we don't need to add any other disrespect here for any newcomers to witness. This should be a place they will wish to visit again, not run from at great speed.
---Rita_H on 10/1/13


TheSeg:

Thanks! I'm also used to seeing sound advice from you, which is why I found that post so uncharacteristic.

If someone is being disrespectful, it is right to reprove them and correct them, but one should stop at ridicule. I don't like being ridiculed and abused for my mistakes, so I try not to ridicule and abuse others for theirs.

I once heard "Never argue with fools - it drags you down to their level, and they beat you with experience". This is why the Golden Rule is so important. If we only "do unto others as they do unto us", their low actions drag us down to their level. But "doing unto others as we would have them do unto us" resists that, and attempts to drag them up to our level.
---StrongAxe on 10/1/13


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//Since no one can obey everything in the Bible everyone must choose. isn't this the definition of an oxymoron? First, if one cannot obey the law from God, doesn't it render the man a sinner and imperfect?//
The statement was "No man can obey EVERYTHING in the Bible" not just the law.
Read before you write.
---michael_e on 10/1/13


Bryan there is not a Segy or a Marko posting on ChristiaNet. If there is then there may also be a Brine. Disrespect for a persons name/penname costs you your creditability not them.
---Elder on 10/1/13


Funny Paul did not have a bible.
Bryan

You do know the Old Testament was round right?
This is why I and some on CN are saying you dont know what youre talking about!
You talk with no understanding

This is from a letter Paul wrote: To Timothy, (my dearly beloved son): Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.

This he told Timothy, read it!
2Ti_3:14-16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

No Bible?
So, read this! 2Ti_3:13!
Just maybe this is why you dont like it!
Watered down milk!
---TheSeg on 10/1/13


Bryan, you gave no passages on what I asked you. Now you make a whole new religion with your statement when you say,
"What do you need First marko, John 10,10 the thief is satan. Question what do you think he is trying to steal from YOU?"
In the passages of (John 10:10) the thief is not satan. Jesus is teaching He is the only way to heaven, the door or gate. Satan is not teaching anyone another way into heaven. The thiefs are the false teachers. They are doing the desires of their father the devil without even knowing satan is their father. Satan does not teach anyone, but allows the thiefs to do what they will to do. Satan is not omnipresent, everywhere at one time, Only God is. And there is millions of false teachers.
---Mark_V. on 10/1/13


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Segy there you go again I know Jesus he is the word of God made flesh. Funny Paul did not have a bible. And he hear the voice of the Lord may time. Do you thing Jesus has stop talking to us today? Yes I read the Bible I know were the scriptures are But when you know the Lord as more than Just words on a page he will speak to you. Then you will understand Who he sets free is free indeed. Soon you will c the Gospel of Jesus Christ sets you free from the laws of sin and death. It is in the bible find it yourself that way u can't blame God if you don't believe it.
---Bryan on 9/30/13


What do you need First marko, John 10,10 the thief is satan. Question what do you think he is trying to steal from YOU? Your earthly stuff? He already has all that in fact he offered it to Jesus when he was temping him. Do you need verse and scripture on that to? look it up yourself. I never said I don't need Jesus "THE WORD OF GOD MADE FLESH" Soteria This word is in the Scriptures look it up you may find and it's TOTAL TOTAL meaning.
---Bryan on 9/30/13


// The word is inside of me I know it when I hear it.//
Bryan on 9/29/13
He has no need for the scriptures!

For these are more noble!
Act_17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
So are those, things so? Not according to scripture and verse!

Rom_10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
Rom_11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Gal_6:3 For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.
---TheSeg on 9/30/13


Bryan, there again you speak religious language as if it was truth when you say,
"Wow mark I thought the plain was to destroy the works of satan not try to get along with him or help him in destroying us. Do you need scripture and verse as a sign to believe." You asked me if I needed Scripture. yes I do. Show me from Scripture where the plan of God is for us to destroy the works of Satan. And where does it say that we can help him destroy us? Give Scripture. Anyone can preach, but we compare what anyone says to the Word of God. So produce the facts from the Word.
---Mark_V. on 9/30/13


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Wow mark I thought the plain was to destroy the works of satan not try to get along with him or help him in destroying us. Do you need scripture and verse as a sign to believe. The word is inside of me I know it when I hear it. It sets you free. Not like religions that keep you all wrapped in dead mans cloths.
---Bryan on 9/29/13


Bryan, you came on line to preach in every blog, almost always not giving Scripture. Speaking religious talk, demanding for everyone to be like you. And if they are not doing what you preach, they have got the wrong religion. Don't you realize many were given gifts to do other things? Don't you see yourself doing what you accuse others of doing? With all the religious talk you make, you make so many mistakes, the reason many answer you. If you want to talk about a subject, give the passage. STop trying to be the Holy Spirit.
---Mark_V. on 9/29/13


StrongAxe, by the way, I love that name!
There are a few people here that I would give heed to, you are one of them.
And though I respect what you're saying and where you're coming from.

Try and understand what I'm about to say.
I would rather walk on thin ice without fear of falling in, then to avoid the thin ice because of my fear.

When someone is being disrespectful in any way shape or form, not just to me but to anyone!
It should be your job as well as anybody else's with any sense of respect to open their mouth!

But you're right, next time I'll try to state the issue with more precise wording!
I understand and thank you!
Peace
---TheSeg on 9/28/13


Don't make a religion out of the word of God, Get to know Jesus as your savior, Isaiah 9:6 Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. He is our savior not a dictator, who wants you just to quote scripture at people. If your are using the scripture to discourage people what good in that?
---Bryan on 9/28/13


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\\Segy u call me stupid cause I refuse to believe in your religion\\

Well, you deny I'm a Christian because I don't believe in YOUR religion.

is there any real difference?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/28/13


TheSeg:

Calling anyone "stupid", or "fool", or "idiot" or anything else similar, for any reason, is treading on thin ice.

I consider names to be very important, and I try to make sure I call people on blogs by the names they call themselves (although I occasionally make typos). I'm not thrilled when people use names like "Axey" but I don't get bent out of shape about it.

Even if other people treat us in ways we don't like, that's no reason to do the same in return. The Golden Rule is NOT "do unto others as they do unto you", but "do unto others as YOU WOULD HAVE THEM do unto you". This is pro-active, rather than re-active.
---StrongAxe on 9/28/13


Segy u call me stupid cause I refuse to believe in your religion. The word is sown to the world not just to you who think you are so smart, yet you condemn people over a gift from God, that is sick if you have the gift share if you don't Quit telling people who do how it should be used. It's their gift not yours as you have said.
---Bryan on 9/28/13


StrongAxe, my comments had nothing to do with anything he said about the Scriptures!
My comments have to do with his cute little pet name for me. Segy!

I have notice people calling you "Axey"
I see this as a condescending statement.
You have every right to see it as cute as they who write it!

If I wanted my name to be Segy, I would have picked it!
I didn't, I picked TheSeg or use SEG!
I'm so sick and tired of the name-calling here on CN!

This last sentence should be looked at both ways!
The only offensive word I can come up with is stupid!

See, it works for me too!
Anyone can be stupid!
(What am I calling myself?)
Peace
---TheSeg on 9/28/13


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TheSeg:

(Much chopped due to word limit).

Terms of service (section 9): You must not transmit any communication ... that: ... (ii) is ... offensive ...

You said: does this offend you? ... do I care? No Bryan, I guess, I don't!

Terms of Service: "Bottom Line - Be Christ-Like".

Jesus said in Matthew 5:22:
"But I say unto you, ... whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."

You called Bryan stupid TWICE. Do you REALLY want to play so close to the fire?

If somebody DOES say something that seems stupid, he should be corrected and edified, NOT reviled.
---StrongAxe on 9/28/13


Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant!

There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling, One Lord, one faith, (one baptism), One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Why do some think, they are the Teacher??
The Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost!
(He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance.

If the anointing which ye have received (of him, abides in you.)
You need not that any man teach you!

That same anointing will teach you all things!
And is truth, and is no lie.
As it hath taught you, you will abide in him!
---TheSeg on 9/28/13


Thank you, Bryan for the Stupidity!
Oh I'm sorry, does this offend you?

Gee let me ask myself, do I care?
No Bryan, I guess, I don't!

Mama always said life is like a box of chocolates!
You never know what you're going to get!

Meaning to say, what was it, you called me, Segy!
I can only assume you are talking to me, TheSeg!

Again you are just so stupid.
I have nothing left to say to you!

But only because of (what is the word I'm looking for) Oh yes, I got it!
Stupidity!

So, is your name really Bryan?
Are you related to the shrimp, because of your limited mentality?
See, it works for me too!
Anyone can be stupid!
PeaceForNow!
---TheSeg on 9/28/13


So, getting baptized in the Holy Spirit is not only an individual "thing".
willie_c:

God, sometimes the things some say are so true!
It becomes hard to separate truth from fiction.

Willie_C
Finnish the statement or thing!
But a??
God bless you
Peace
---TheSeg on 9/28/13


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You can read the bible all the time you can know every verses, every comma, every period, and still not see the truth. The god of this word blinds the eyes of the unbelieving. What was the first Parable Jesus taught? Do you understand that parable, Jesus said if you don't understand this parable you will not understand anything else I'm trying to teach you. That should tell you something like you should start there, so you can understand the rest of the New Covenant.
---Bryan on 9/28/13


when we are saved, Christ lives within us and His Holy Spirit lives in us. that is why the Spirit wars with the flesh.
---shira4368 on 9/27/13


The Bible does say, "Ask, and it will be given to you," in Matthew 7:7.

But before the apostles were filled with the Holy Spirit and spoke in other tongues . . . I would say they did not just ask and "get it", but for some while they were all together in prayer . . . until they were of one accord - - in unity.

But now it looks like church people can come on schedule, just be talking with one another, doing the scheduled service, then they're gone . . . not spending hours and even days in prayer with each other until they are together filled in unity to do God's will.

So, getting baptized in the Holy Spirit is not only an individual "thing".
---willie_c: on 9/27/13


hey segy how many baptisms are talked about in the bible? 1,2 3 4 5 6 how any segy
---Bryan on 9/27/13


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My bible says if you ask Jesus for the baptism of Holy Spirit that is what you get.
Bryan
You have to ask??

Really! Most of the other Bible I've read say something like:

Mat_3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: (he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:)

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, (and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.)

The words freely given come to mind!
Where did you're says you must ask??
Just asking!
Peace
---TheSeg on 9/27/13


"Since no one can obey everything in the Bible everyone must choose." michael_e - isn't this the definition of an oxymoron?

First, if one cannot obey the law from God, doesn't it render the man a sinner and imperfect? Meaning flawed, broken, finished? And if you're imperfect, how do you make yourself perfect by choosing? Choosing what?

It's said, "For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin." Romans 7:14, "...who were dead in trespasses and sins" Ephesians 1:1

How does one who's dead even choose to be alive in Christ? Is that even possible? "With men this is impossible..." Matthew 19:26
---christan on 9/27/13


Who did you ask to baptist you in the Holy Spirit the pastor of your Church the guy down the street? My bible says if you ask Jesus for the baptism of Holy Spirit that is what you get. The baptism of the Holy Spirit. All your rules trying to keep people seeking God Why? God has give us his all. He is not afraid.
---Bryan on 9/27/13


Since no one can obey everything in the Bible everyone must choose. How do we choose rightly? After reading a passage of the Bible ask, who is speaking? There are times in the Bible that Satans lies are recorded. Avoid participating in his lies.
Secondly, ask, to whom are they speaking? Do I fit in the audience? God gave instructions to Isaiah to preach without clothes (Isaiah 20:2). You are not Isaiah. Leave those instructions alone.
Finally, ask, Are there any later instructions from the Lord that replace this instruction?
You will be amazed at the problems this resolves. Everyone divides or chooses which parts of the Bible they will obey. This method will help you to rightly divide.
---michael_e on 9/27/13


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(Just like all the other 8 gifts you receive from the baptism of the Holy Spirit.) Each you practice.
Bryan
Spiritual Gifts need practice??

Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.

Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular!
(And God hath set some in the church), first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?

But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
Peace
---TheSeg on 9/27/13


\See the scripture he said he would. praying in tongues is just a sign of it.\\

Why is it that those who speak in tongues have just as difficult a time in learning Biblical languages as those not similar sanctified?

Why is it that some who speak in tongues are Trinitarian and others who speak in tongues are Oneness (Sabellian modalist) who deny Trinity?

Why is it, if tongues is a gift, that some Pentecostal churches TEACH you to speak in tongues? If it can be taught by humans, then it is a technique and not a gift from God.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/27/13


"Has Jesus changed?" No.
"I am the LORD, I change not." Mal 3:6
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Hbr 13:8
---Josef on 9/27/13


When you ask God to baptist you in the Holy Spirit. See the scripture he said he would. praying in tongues is just a sign of it. Just like all the other 8 gifts you receive from the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Each you practice. Your trying to get to Gods perfect will with them all. Gods' will, good, acceptable, and perfect. Why would God get mad for trying to learn, how to do something? We all are trying our best to reach his hand first, help other get there first and he will reach down his hand to you.
---Bryan on 9/27/13


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Jesus has not changed. And as we grow in Jesus in us, we better and better do not change from loving any and all people. The cross did not change Jesus from loving. Jesus beat Satan, while Jesus was the One who died! So He does not change from being in full victory over any and all evil.

So, this can help us see how guaranteed we are in Jesus.

By the way, Bryan . . . yes there are people who "coach" people how to speak in tongues. And ones can use this to represent all "Pentecostals", when in fact only the wrong ones do this. But prejudiced people can be brought to only the places where there is faking. Any of us can lead ourselves and be led only to people and things which we can use to prove ourselves right.
---willie_c: on 9/26/13


wow So who ever prays in tongues is just taught how to mimic sound? How do you know this did Jesus tell you. personally?
---Bryan on 9/26/13


\\So cluny What parts of the word are you not aloud to believe in your religion?
---Bryan on 9/26/13\\

Bryan, since apparently English is not your first langauge--as seen by your inability to choose the right one from a pair of homophones (in this case "allowed" and "aloud")--you will never understand the true Orthodox Christian teaching on prayer in the Holy Spirit.

However, speaking in tongues and praying in the Holy Spirit are two different things. The second is a gift, the first is a mere technique that can be taught. I've seen it taught as a technique in Pentecostal churches.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/26/13


Scott 1 good word
---Bryan on 9/26/13


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That is what he has always been. We just getting to know him more.
---Bryan on 9/26/13


yes - because He becomes whatever we need him to be for he is the savior of the world. To Moses a fire, to Joshua a warrior, Israel a cloud or fire, the apostles a friend, Revelation a king, to John a lion of Judah, to the world a lamb,
---Scott1 on 9/26/13


So cluny What parts of the word are you not aloud to believe in your religion?
---Bryan on 9/26/13


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