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Independent mega-pastor Rick Joyner today said that the only hope for the United States was for a military take-over of the government and martial law. My understanding is that this is basically what Antichrist will do. What do you all think?

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well cluny, you are negative again but I saw the documents. you still negative and you enjoy what you perceive as others being below you. well, let me say in your eyes only.
---shira4368 on 10/14/13


\\I don't believe anything anyone tells me either. \\

Only Wallbuilders, right?

What makes you think that Wallbuilders is accurate?

You sound to me like YOU are settled in your own mind. Don't ask you to prove your assertions, because your mind is made up.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/13/13


well cluny, you can believe what you want. I don't believe anything anyone tells me either. there are several people I believe. you are so full of yourself and very condescending. I told you to go to wallbuilders and see for yourself. do you not have the energy. you would be settled in your mind.
---shira4368 on 10/13/13


\\everything that is written by you on christianet is negative.
---shira4368 on 10/12/13\\

Wrong again.

Is asking you to prove the assertions you make "negative," shira, or am I just supposed to accept them because you said them?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/13/13


Steven, I do not mock the end times. We have been on the end times for a long time now. No telling when it will end. You nor no one knows when that time will be. The question to you is, are you prepared? I am, if it happens in my life time, and let me say also, my life time is not long anymore. So I believe you are wrong again. You have seen too many Left Behind stories and read to many books from Hal Lendsey. Maybe believing you might be left behind.
---Mark_V. on 10/13/13




Shira, you are asking everyone which is not fair to Cluny. He has many times said things which were very true. But answering is not for all to get together and hang one person just because you don't agree. I have disagreed with him many times, but that doesn't mean he is always wrong. You too. Even Kathr, whom I completely disagree, I agree on some things. I answer you and disagree with you on salvation many times, but that does not mean many times you answer correctly. No one should gang up on anybody. It is just not fair.
---Mark_V. on 10/13/13


Before HE returns there will
must be a " new world order"
under the UN. America will be
a part of it. Mr. Obama has been chosen to change America
from top to bottom.
---carolyn on 10/11/13

We win. Poser of change is changing nothing scriptural.

Psa_44:3 For they got not the land in possession by their own sword, neither did their own arm save them: but thy right hand, and thine arm, and the light of thy countenance, because thou hadst a favour unto them.


Mat_24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
---Trav on 10/13/13


Cluny: "...But it's business as usual until then."

The last days are NOT business as usual for it is written that great tribulation, unlike that since Noah's time, shall come and envelope the entire world. It is because of our modern technology in communications that we know what all the other people in all the other countries are doing. If people are protesting for high cost of food, for instance, then other people in other countries will do the same. It will be a never ending cycle and it will continue to build to the point where the entire world will be up in flames. The whole world, the whole universe, will be shaken, but do not fear for those who put their trust in God.
---Steveng on 10/13/13


Cluny: "Steveng, do you ever actually read what I say?

I have repeatedly said there is no such thing as a pre-trib rapture..."

Chill out, Cluny. Didn't you read what I wrote? You forgot to read what's after the "maybe" word and what's after the "or" word. So, if you are not the one then you must be the other. And maybe was just what it means. I thought you were more intelligent, in a worldly sort of way, then that. Now you removed all doubt.
---Steveng on 10/13/13


I do know, and others should, that the "So help me God", phrase was ordained by the 1776 Second Continental Congress.
In 1789 it was required that all U.S. judges and officers state the phrase when taking oaths, with the exception of the President.
The phrase could be omitted when taking an affirmation rather than an oath.
Lincoln swore to the oath and said, "So help me God" and then kissed the Bible. Kissing the Bible is not required either. In contrast, the oath of the President is the only oath specified in the Constitution that does not include the closing phrase "So help me God. But niether does the Constitution forbid it.
Now we want to kick the phrase and God out and call that Freedom.
---Elder on 10/13/13




Many of our founders were Masons. In the DC Metro area, there is a huge Masonic Temple in honor of George Washington. I really doubt that the majority of our founders were born again believers. I believe that the use of God's name in the founding documents was how the writers wrote. They were probably Christian in name.

If we look at the history of the New England colonies, there was disagreement between the Puritans of Massachusetts, and the Christians in Rhode Island.

I rarely agree with Cluny, but he is right. There is a huge difference between the architects and builders of the nation's buildings in D.C. and the lack of Scripture in our founding documents.
---Grandma on 10/13/13


look everyone.....cluny does not agree with anything anyone says here. but...he has appointed himself to be the spelling patrol. cluny, everything that is written by you on christianet is negative.
---shira4368 on 10/12/13


\\Mock all you want. You two are part of a prophesy that people will mock those who say the end is near,\\

I never said that.

I simply agreed with the Bible that we've been in the Last Days since Pentecost. (And whether these are the last days of planet earth, at my age, these are MY last days.)

I've never said that Christ will not return. I look forward to it. But it's business as usual until then.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/12/13


\\The state oaths contain the same references.\\

Do they?

Not even the constitutionally required oath for the President contains no reference to God, as actually given therein.

Did you know that?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/12/13


\\And both of you will seek ways to escape, maybe in your false hope of a pre-trib rapture or the hiding in the rocks, but will not find it\\

Steveng, do you ever actually read what I say?

I have repeatedly said there is no such thing as a pre-trib rapture on these blogs, and that those who are waiting for it will be among the first to fall down and worship antichrist.

Just because I question your assumptions does not mean I'm a mocker who says, "Where is the promise of His coming?"

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/12/13


Mark V and Cluny:

Mock all you want. You two are part of a prophesy that people will mock those who say the end is near, walking after their own ungodly lusts. Sure, people have always said that the end is near and things have always been this way, but look around you of what is coming, and what is here already, the turmoil in every country in the world what with wars and threats of war, protests, gang violence, perplexity. All of which has grown in frequency and destruction just as Jesus said. Most christians will not recognize that we are living in the end days because we are living in the end days. And both of you will seek ways to escape, maybe in your false hope of a pre-trib rapture or the hiding in the rocks, but will not find it.
---Steveng on 10/12/13


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cluny, your words are warped. I did not say God was contained in a bldg. I said God's Word is in many bldgs. in Washington. I said I couldn't remember all them but just for you I'm gonna try to find them. wallbuilders and glen beck have a video about this subject.
---shira4368 on 10/11/13


The founding documents are not Sunday school lessons. They are basically documents on how to run a nation.
There is reference after reference to God throughout them.
In the first two paragraphs of the Declaration of Independence, July 4th 1776 are references to God.
The preamble to every state constitution refers to God.
The Constitution refers to Blessings of Liberty in the first paragraph.
Where does liberty or blessings come from except God?
The state oaths contain the same references.
The capital of our Government contains scores of references to God.
So what should this tell us?
---Elder on 10/11/13


Before HE returns there will
must be a " new world order"
under the UN. America will be
a part of it. Mr. Obama has been chosen to change America
from top to bottom. This means
REVOLUTION. Socialism is the goal. Only prayer, repentence
might stop it.
---carolyn on 10/11/13


In other words, shira, you can provide no quotes from the Bible in our founding documents.

And how do you put God, whom the Heaven of Heavens cannot contain, into a building?

Can you explain that?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/11/13


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Cluny, your last answers were really great. Evil has been with us since the fall of Adam. We just don't understand it because we were not there at that time to see it. Great answers.
---Mark_V. on 10/11/13


\\Since these are the last days,\\

Are they? According to Acts 2, we've been in the last days since the Descent of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost.

\\ Satan is putting forth 125% into turning man from God.\\

Is he? Satan has ALWAYS been prowling like a roaring lion, seeking prey. Why should 21st century be any different.

\\ This generation is the most evil in history since the days of Noah.\\

Is it? People are no more immoral than they ever were. We just hear about it more frequently and more efficiently.

\\Besides, isn't the bible full of doom and gloom of the last days?\\

Is it? My Bible says, "Lift up your heads, because your redemption draws nigh."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/11/13


cluny go to wallbuilders. the guy who made the video went to Washington and to all the places that refers to God. scripoture is written on many buildings in Washington. Im going to order that because I can't remember all the places where God is built into our buildings in Washington.
---shira4368 on 10/11/13


I have read a number of these blogs and it is very difficult to read much that could possibly represent goodness, human or otherwise, or principles that could be characterized as christian.

Most of the claims and declarations are fractured and deformed shadows of reality, baseless innuendos and some are simply lies.

Could any Believer read some these comments and conclude that the writer has any functional concept of rightness or wrongness? The fact is, could any reasonable person read some of these fanciful assertions and recognize anything Godly or fair about them?

The virtues of goodness, fairness, truthfulness, grace and personal integrity are still very needful values for any man or woman, in any forum.
---Allan on 10/11/13


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\\Are you one hundred percent sure?\\

Yes.

Search "guillotines in georgia" and you will see this is an urban legend.

Besides, none of these sites reporting this as a fact says WHO made them, or WHAT law authorized them. Decapitation is NOT a legal means of execution anywhere in the USA.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/10/13


Cluny: "Gordon, doesn't it bother you to post urban legends about gloom, doom, and rumors of boom that have NO basis in reality?"

Are you one hundred percent sure? History is already repeating itself. That is the way of man, never learning from the past. Since these are the last days, Satan is putting forth 125% into turning man from God. This generation is the most evil in history since the days of Noah. Besides, isn't the bible full of doom and gloom of the last days?
---Steveng on 10/10/13


\\grandma, I know some people entering the new world probably were atheist, but our country was founded on the Word of God\\

I asked you to give quotations from the Scriptures in our three founding documents, and you have not done so, shira.

Why not? Will you ever?

\\ and only recently (30 yrs) atheist have raised cain to get Christianity out of the schools. \\

That was FIFTY years ago.

Remember that prayer in schools today would NOT necessarily be Christian prayers. Would you approve of state mandated mahometan, Buddhist, Hindu, or Wiccan prayers? I would not.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/10/13


grandma, I know some people entering the new world probably were atheist, but our country was founded on the Word of God and only recently (30 yrs) atheist have raised cain to get Christianity out of the schools. madilyn ohare is now in hell and she single handedly got prayer out of school. she had a very corrupt mouth and she is in hell now.
---shira4368 on 10/10/13


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Gordon, doesn't it bother you to post urban legends about gloom, doom, and rumors of boom that have NO basis in reality?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/10/13


Amen to bro.Steveng,bro.1stCliff,Shira4368, bro.Gordon - with much respect total agreement with your answer! here, give him wonderfull praise heaven
---Lidia4796 on 10/10/13


The United States of America already has at least 800 FEMA Camps, which are a/k/a Concentration Camps for the resisters of the NWO of the Anti-Christ.

Each "Camp" holds approx 20,000 people.

The largest Camp is in near Fairbanks, Alaska. It holds a whopping 2,000,000 human beings. It's a HUGE facility, indeed.

Guillotines are stored up now in the States of Montana and Georgia.

American troops are stationed in Iraq, while Russian and Chinese soldiers are strategically placed here in the U.S.A.

And, most of the American Churches are ASLEEP.

Instead of our Churches helping the Sheep to PREPARE for the End-Times upon us, they have taught the Sheeple how to get whatchu want from Santa God.
---Gordon on 10/9/13


elder, in the grand scheme of things and the space in time, muslims are trying to control what goes on in our country. our president is helping them destroy America. yes, they are "in your face". all women will be right where they were 150 yrs ago. I cringe just to think about what is going to happen if Christians don't get on their knees and pray and vote for Godly people (if there is any).
---shira4368 on 10/7/13


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\\Omama has had a dinner/functions in the White House celebrating Ramadan. Does anyone think there were not Muslim "prayer" services?\\

In my 6 decades plus experience, church dinners are never prayer services.

I am inclined to think that the same thing applies to mahometan dinners.

In any case, Obama (as much as I personally dislike him and disagree with his policies) has the constitutional right to pray howsoever and with whomsoever he wishes. He didn't lose his first amendment rights just because his present address is 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

He also holds Passover seders in the White House, but nobody thinks he had adopted Judaism.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/7/13


Thomas Jefferson wrote that the Constitution allows people to do whatever they want, but it is the bible that keeps people from doing anything the want.
---Steveng on 10/7/13


In this country the Muslims buy churches that are floundering or in financial trouble as a kind of " slap in the face"!
---1st_cliff on 10/7/13


The Iman Rauf has vowed to build a "Ground Zero" mosque in his lifetime. It is still in the plans.
Obama endorsed building a mosque only two blocks away.
Omama has had a dinner/functions in the White House celebrating Ramadan. Does anyone think there were not Muslim "prayer" services?
Anyone think it is over?
---Elder on 10/7/13


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Who is this person? He doesn't know what he is talking about. The only way a military takeover works is if he was in charge of the military. Ask him to give you chapter and verse in the Bible, (in correct context) that supports this idea. (You might also ask about his Christian conversion. I have a missionary friend who was a pastor for 7 years before he became a Christian, according to him.) Christians do have a Christian armor, according to Eph. 6, but it's use is not to be used for a military takeover. To answer you question, this is what the Anti-Christ will do, but worse.
---wivv on 10/7/13


"\\The Muslims build their mosques in areas that they feel they have conquered/captured for their (mis-guided) faith.
New York's "ground zero" is an example.\\
There is still no mosque at ground zero."
Cluny

That is totally correct. It is because their agenda had not advanced as far as they thought. Sit down and pay attention. The "Ground Zero" mosque plans are not dead. It is still on the agenda.
---Elder on 10/7/13


\\cluny, what is wrong is our country was founded on the Word of God.\\

Can you provide ONE QUOTE from the Bible that can be found in the Declaration of Independence, the Articles of Confederation, or the Constitution?

// like Obama said, we are no longer a Christian nation. isn't that a shame????\\

Guess what, shira? We were NEVER a Christian nation, even though confessing Christians still are the majority of the population.

Even the Treaty of Tripoli, which has the force of law, says that the United States government is NOT founded on the Christian religion.

If this country WERE a truly Christian nation based on the Word of God, it would be an Orthodox monarchy.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/6/13


\\The Muslims build their mosques in areas that they feel they have conquered/captured for their (mis-guided) faith.
New York's "ground zero" is an example.\\

There is still no mosque at ground zero.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/6/13


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Shira: Pennsylvania was founded by William Penn, a Quaker, who wanted a colony founded based on religious freedom. Quakers had a hard time in Europe.

There are many red blooded, all American Atheists who hate Christians. Where do you propose they go? Freedom of speech is also on the First Amendment.

Aren't believers supposed to expect persecution?
---Grandma on 10/6/13


Here is the "so what" of mosque building.
The Muslims build their mosques in areas that they feel they have conquered/captured for their (mis-guided) faith.
New York's "ground zero" is an example.
---Elder on 10/6/13


cluny, what is wrong is our country was founded on the Word of God. God is manifest all over Washington. if people want to hate Christians, they should leave our country and go back to theirs. nothing about American relates to mosque or infidels. building a mosque in Washington D.C. is an "in your face" move. in the past 25 yrs, thousands have been built in the U.S. like Obama said, we are no longer a Christian nation. isn't that a shame????
---shira4368 on 10/6/13


\\they are planning to build a very large multimillion dollar mosque near the White House.
---Steveng on 10/5/13
\\

So what? And how near?

Would you object to a synagogue, a Buddhist or Hindu Temple, or Syriac Miaphysite cathedral near the White House?

Frankly, I didn't there was enough empty land near by the White House.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/6/13


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The mosque being built near the White House must be to make it convenient for Obama to attend.





---jerry6593 on 10/6/13


\\You think that those are of GOD?\\

I never said they were. Where did you get the idea I thought so.

1stCliff, CAIR is linked with Hamas, and functions freely. It even has members in high places in the US government. Look it up on an ORGanization called Jihadwatch.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/5/13


Cluny: In Philadelphia, PA, a couple was prosecuted for not seeking medical attention for their gravely ill child. Their Christian church taught that going to doctors was wrong, and all you need is faith for healing. Last I heard, another child became very sick, and they were back in court again.
---Grandma on 10/5/13


Cluny: "There are already mosques in DC area. Didn't you know that?"

Maybe I should have been more clear: they are planning to build a very large multimillion dollar mosque near the White House.
---Steveng on 10/5/13


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Cluny, "honour killings" is also what I'm referring to.

You think that those are of GOD?

If they're not, then they break GOD's Law of "Thou shalt not kill".
---Gordon on 10/5/13


Cluny, There are 74 different denominations (or sects) of Islam.
We have the same religious freedom in this country but there are Islamic sects hat are outlawed like Hamas. an illegal organization here!
A father, mother and son are serving life sentences for their "honor" killing of their daughters!
---1st_cliff on 10/5/13


\\Gordon: It is already illegal for anyone, Muslim or not, to kill their own child, no matter what the reason. Get real.
---Grandma on 10/4/13\\

Yet mahometan honor killings happen in the USA all the time.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/5/13


willie c, Just because America has legalized Abortion that does not mean that GOD has okayed it.

In fact, GOD is TOTALLY against Abortion.

Instead, the fact that America has legalized Abortion is a very clear indication that America has rejected GOD Almighty, by-and-large, and HIS Ways.

My point is that, originally, GOD opened up the Newe Worlde to our forefathers to found America on TRUE Religious Freedom.

What America has done with that Freedom is a totally different story.

If someone rejects Abortion yet condones killing someone else, because that someone converts from some false religion to embrace the true GOD and HIS Salvation, is blatant hypocrisy.
---Gordon on 10/5/13


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Steven, that is interesting. If Muslims come here, we can reach them for Jesus . . . while we may be not allowed to send missionaries into Muslim countries.

And . . . about killing children . . . already it is legal in the United States to kill an unborn person! I think Sharia law is against abortion, though. So, I am not going to worry too much about if Muslims take over people who are ok with violating the humans rights of the unborn and oppressing unborn by even killing them.

We can use any circumstance for God's use (c: "God resists the proud," we have in James 4:6 and also in 1 Peter 5:5. We have our Father effectively resisting evil people, so they get nowhere except as He decides (c:
---willie_c: on 10/5/13


Steveng, mahometans have hardly conquered Tennessee, but there are already several mosques there.

There are already mosques in DC area. Didn't you know that?

And guess what? The First Amendment, which gives freedom of religion to American Christians, also gives freedom of religion to mahometans.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/5/13


Gordon: It is already illegal for anyone, Muslim or not, to kill their own child, no matter what the reason. Get real.
---Grandma on 10/4/13


Gordon, there are only three of the Ten Commandments that have any legal force in this country: laws against killing, laws against theft, and laws against perjury and slander.

Or did you know that?
---Cluny on 10/4/13


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Gordon:

First amendment protections forbid implementation of Sharia. If a muslim refuses to eat pork, he's welcome to do that. But if he tries to force his child's school to ban pork because it's against Sharia, that would be imposition of religion on everyone else. If a muslim wants to kill a family member for bringing shame on the family, that conflicts with existingn murder statutes.

Note that the first amendment guarantees freedom of religion. It doesn't mention God at all, nor mention any specific religion. It can't, because the whole POINT of the first amendment is that it forbids imposing any particular religion (be it Christian or otherwise) by the state.
---StrongAxe on 10/4/13


willie_c: "We already have freedom of religion so no one religious can take over with laws."

The Muslims have an agenda of their own much like communisim in the 1950s and 1960s. Countries are fallen to Muslims within the past thrity years. Every country they immigrate to they have set up shop with the intent of taking over that country. They infiltrate the political arena to get their sharia laws passed. Once they conquer an area, they build a mosque.

In 1970 there were only about 1,000 Muslims in America. Today there are over 9 million. Mosques are being built everywhere to show that they have conquered that area. There is one being planned in the Washington DC area.
---Steveng on 10/4/13


Cluny, The Laws as per Religious Freedom would be structured around the Moral Commandments of GOD.

E.g., One part of the proposed Law (for American Godly Freedom) would be a Law like unto "Thou shalt not kill". A Christian's Religious Freedom would be preserved by this type of Law, while, at the same time, curtailing Muslim religion to where they could not have a convert killed, in the U.S.A.
---Gordon on 10/4/13


Gordon, I understand your concerns. Don't forget that a big part of Orthodox and other Eastern Christians either have lived in the past or even live now under mahometan tyranny.

But just how do you propose to use US law to limit the religious freedom of mahometans without winding up limiting the religious freedom of Christians?

Please explain.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/4/13


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I must say, not all pastors are sent by God, and this pastor is dead wrong!THERE'S NO HOPE FOR AMERICA, unless it comes back to the living God!
---catherine on 10/4/13


Cluny, You cannot, CANNOT, have active Sharia law in America and still preserve America's true Religious Freedom.

One completely opposes the other.

A muslim is allowed to have their own young-adult child murdered, as per Sharia law, if that child chooses to be converted to, say, Christianity.

That works for Sharia law, but, it completely goes against true Religious Freedom as originally set up in America.

Here, in America, that same child would have the freedom to convert without having to submit to the threat of the muslim parent.

The child would be protected by American law against such tyranny.
---Gordon on 10/4/13


If someone thinks martial law can control Americans . . . the person maybe does not realize just how many people, towns, and cities are in the United States.

We already have freedom of religion so no one religious can take over with laws. Also, there is the middle class which has enough nice things so they aren't going to rise up, not to mention how they can be a "buffer" class between ones high-up and any poor who might try to take over.

And each person has a vote, to tweak his or her ego to suppose he or she has control!

(c:

These could be little tricks that already help to keep higher rulers in power.

"Do not be controlled by money, or those who control the money can control you!"
---willie_c: on 10/3/13


\\How can we, then, allow Muslim "religious freedom"??\\

How do you intend to limit the religious freedom of one group by USA law, namely Muslims, without endangering the religious freedom of ALL citizens?

Please answer, Gordon.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/3/13


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Steveng, In a sense, you're right.
The TRUE Church, those of the Church who have been FAITHFUL in their Calling from GOD to be salts and lights in America, they are the faithful in America.

But, let's not be naive to think that every single person in the true Church of America has been, like, die-hard faithful to their Callings.
NO.
The American Church(es) are riddled with worldly, fallen Saints.
I've been one of them, 'til I began, by GOD's Grace, to see the Light.
And, this is not so much a condemnation as it is an assessment of where we are as the American Church.
It involves ALL Denominations, btw.

Not nearly enough Saints have been faithful.
False doctrines are, in part, to blame.
---Gordon on 10/3/13


People in the secular population want to be able to kill their unborn. The character of this is not only in corrupt politicians. And there are plenty of military people who also have such a basic killer nature. So, changing from our present killer natured people to military killer natured people will only continue the U.S. with corruption.

And it won't change the selfish way of loving which has people falling in selfishness and then getting divorces, so that all those children have grown up without love example of their parents so they can know how to love.

So, a martial coup would "likely" make no real difference. And do you really think the military can so control 300 million Americans?

(c:
---willie_c: on 10/3/13


Cluny, That Freedom of Religion to worship GOD without secular impediment.

But, we cannot have the Islamic Sharia law in America, because it works in opposition to the Freedoms of America.

How can we, then, allow Muslim "religious freedom"??

Yes, other religions can be observed in America, as long as they don't violate American Freedoms and true Religious Freedom from GOD.

For GOD's Freedoms always trump other religious freedoms.

It does not matter, for either GOD did lead our forefathers here to America to establish Religious Freedom on HIS behalf, or HE didn't.

And, HE did.
---Gordon on 10/3/13


Socialist Democrats are mostly the blame for the mess this country's in.




---jerry6593 on 10/3/13


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Gordon: "The Church is mostly the blame for the mess this country's in."

I sure hope you mean denominational churches, for the true church of God should not be blamed for any mess this country or the world is in.
---Steveng on 10/2/13


Gordon, if that's the case, why didn't the founding fathers write that into the constitution?

Seems the only word about religion is there won't be a religious means test for office.
---NurseRobert on 10/2/13


So, Gordon, under US law, you believe that religious freedom is for Christians only, and no one should be allowed to profess other religions, or none?

(Just trying to understand you.)

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/2/13


Cluny, Do you really think that GOD meant "Religious Freedom" to be for Buddhists, Hindus and Muslims???

("Thou shalt have no other gods before ME.", EXODUS 20:3.)

GOD's Version of Religious Freedom is the freedom to WORSHIP HIM without being hindered or impeded by any Governmental or secular authority.

'Twas why we left merry olde England, under king George's oppression, in the first place.

GOD Almighty opened up the doors, for our American forefathers, to the Newe Worlde, in part, for this purpose.

For the Glory of Yahushua ha Maschiach (JESUS CHRIST)
---Gordon on 10/2/13


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\\GOD's Will was Liberty and Religious Freedom for this country.\\

Gordon, does this include religious freedom for Buddhists, Hindus, Wiccans, and mahometans? Or even atheists?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/2/13


Rick Joyner is a FALSE PROPHET. He is a part of the Knights of Malta, for Pete's sake.

Yes, America WILL BE entrapped by martial law and a tyrannical government take-over. It's in the process of becoming so now, and slowly has been, like the frog-in-the-kettle, over the past decades.
But, it's GOD's Judgment on America.

It sure wasn't GOD's perfect Will for America to end up in destruction.
GOD's Will was Liberty and Religious Freedom for this country.

The Church is mostly the blame for the mess this country's in.
Not ALL of the blame, but a considerable part of it.

She has DROPPED THE BALL, by-and-large, by forsaking the true GOD and HIS Ways, and by neglecting to be a TRUE salt and light in this country.
---Gordon on 10/2/13


Lets all go watch Denzel Washington's movie the Siege. That pretty much sums it up.
It has worked great for Egypt (sarcasm)
---Scott1 on 10/2/13


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