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Purpose Of Lake Of Fire

What is GOD's purpose for the Lake of Fire?

(Hint: MATTHEW 25:41)

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Eze 28:14,16,18

Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth, and I have set thee so: ...

By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick, therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

Seems Satan is being destroyed.
---Samuelbb7 on 11/5/13


Please remember we are talking about the lake of fire which happens here on Earth. See Revelation.

GOD is going to do what he says.


Mal 4:3

And ye shall tread down the wicked, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.
---Samuelbb7 on 11/5/13


Samuel, are you saying that God or Jesus is destroying souls in hell? You seem to say so by giving,
"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." He is able to destroy the soul because He is God, but nowhere are we told He is doing it.
Then say: "Which JESUS says he can destroy both in Hell." Jesus can but does not, destroy the soul, because nowhere are we told He is destroying the souls in hell now, are will destroy the souls later. If you believe He is doing it, give passage or verses to that effect.
---Mark_V. on 11/5/13


Mark_V.: "Steven, you say,
"To destroy the souls of man and Satan and his minions for all of eternity."
No where are we told that God is destroying mans souls in hell or even the soul of Satan. Satan's soul? God can destroy the souls of man, but no where are we told He is destroying souls in hell."

Mark V, you really need to read the bible instead of your own worldly opinions and interpreations of the bible.

First of all, do an online KJV bible search (if you don't have a searchable KJV bible on your computer) for the word "soul" to know bibilical knowledge of "soul" instead of your worldly knowledge.
---Steveng on 11/4/13


Mat 10:28

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Which JESUS says he can destroy both in Hell.

1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil, for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great, and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Fire Destroys.
---Samuelbb7 on 11/4/13




Yes Steven. The lake of fire will destroy every trace of sin and anyone who chose sin instead of God.
---therese on 11/4/13


What is GOD's purpose for the Lake of Fire?
MATTHEW 25:41
---Gordon on 10/6/13

Lets finish eating the bread...Gordo supplies a partial loaf scripture...the following scriptures explain.

Mat 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

Mat_4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Of the two kinds of bread. One satisfying the spirit one the body. Bread being necessary to the body for life.....

Gen_25:34 Then Jacob gave Esau bread and pottage of lentiles, and he did eat and drink, and rose up, and went his way: thus Esau despised his birthright.
---Trav on 11/4/13


Steven, you say,
"To destroy the souls of man and Satan and his minions for all of eternity."
No where are we told that God is destroying mans souls in hell or even the soul of Satan. Satan's soul? God can destroy the souls of man, but no where are we told He is destroying souls in hell.
---Mark_V. on 11/3/13


What is GOD's purpose for the Lake of Fire?

To destroy the souls of man and Satan and his minions for all of eternity. For there shall be a new heaven and a new earth and all that in the previous heaven and earth shall not be remembered.
---Steveng on 11/2/13


markv, I wasn't accusing you but I was asking you. what made you think you wanted to be saved is all I am interested in. once you said by grace and so was I saved by grace. not by works lest any man can boast.
---shira4368 on 11/2/13




Shira, when did I never say that some are born saved? Not once. I have already said many times that EVERYONE, even the elect, ARE BORN SINNERS. So please stop saying I belief different. Second. I have answered the question how I was saved more then five times already. You are not listening for some reason, but you are sure adding stuff that I don't say or even believe.
---Mark_V. on 11/2/13


markv, every single person that is ever born, they, (we) are all born a sinner. no matter what you think, you were still born a sinner. you have yet to tell me how you got saved. don't say the holy spirit because I know that part already.
---shira_4368 on 11/1/13


Theresa, Romans 1: 18 concerning the wrath of God, were those who did not glorify God. So 2 Peter 3:9) does not mean God is not willing that any (every individual) should perish when it was God who gave them a debased mind. (2 Peter 3:9) He is longsuffering toward "us" believers are the "us". Not willing that any should perish" the "any" refers to the (elect) those who will come to Christ at a later time to complete the redeemed. He will receive all of His own.
God has an immense capacity for patience before He breaks forth in Judgment (v. 2: 15). God endures endless blasphemies against His name, along with rebellion, murders just waiting patiently while the elect are born and then saved. None shall perish.
---Mark_V. on 11/1/13


Mark_V. on 10/30/13

Romans 1:2,29. I believe those described in these verses , have rejected Gods offer of salvation. The first sentence describes how they did not retain God in their knowledge, even though they could have. So THEN God let them have their way, let them develop a debased mind so that their behaviour followed.

I would like also your explanation of 2 Peter3:9: NOT WILLING THAT ANY SHOULD PERISH. In your interpretation,does that only apply to those God destined to be saved, that is, He doesnt want any of the saved to perish. Could you say, God didnt want any of the saved not to be saved. Doesnt make much sense to make a statement like that, seeing how you believe they are destined to be saved anyway.
---therese on 10/31/13


Theresa 2: I'll say it again for you. You and many believe God is not willing that any should perish but all come to repentance and we are told in
Romans about those who are without Christ, who do not glorify God as God, what God did to them. Here let me tell you that God is really willing this ones never come to repentance,
"And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, "God gave them over to a debased mind, to do these things which are not fitting." being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness, full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil mindedness etc." (Rom. 1:2,29). God gave them debase mind so they could do all those things.
---Mark_V. on 10/30/13


\\there are many Christians who are not saved.\\

How do you know for sure that you're not one of them, shira?

What external, objective evidence do you have? ("I know that I know," is not an answer.)

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/30/13


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Theresa, you quoted (2 Peter 3:9).
"GOD IS NOT WILLING THAT ANY SHOULD PERISH BUT THAT ALL SHOULD COME TO REPENTANCE.." Then say,
"That comes from the Bible and is truth. Thats a truth about God. Do they have the wrong God? Then so did Peter when he wrote that under inspiration."
It does come from the Bible. Peter was not saying God is not willing that every individual come to repentance since many individuals are already dead in their sins. What it does mean is that He doesn't want any of the elect, those whom the Lord has chosen and will call to complete the redeemed. Since the whole passage is about God destroying the wicked.
---Mark_V. on 10/30/13


Hi, Gordon (c: You said, "willie c, So, you're basically saying that GOD's primary purpose for the Lake of Fire is for 'controlling' it's yet future inhabitants (the Devil, fallen angels and unrepentant, evil mankind), not primarily to make them suffer.

"'Control' them to what end?"

Containment. Keeping their evil spirit away from Heaven and our loving and worship with our Father and Jesus.

There is "the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience," Paul says in Ephesians 2:2. Satan and his are vessels of this spiritual sewage on its way to the flaming sewer which burns with fire and brimstone.
---willie_c: on 10/30/13


markv, the dead did have a choice before they died. those who die without Christ are in hell. there are many Christians who are not saved. God will divide the sheep from the goats.
---shira43689 on 10/29/13


Yes Mark V I may have misunderstood what you meant by millions have already perished. They will be resurrected only to be condemned. I agree that once they are dead there is no hope for them.

However think through what you wrote, when I hear SOMEONE say,
GOD IS NOT WILLING THAT ANY SHOULD PERISH BUT THAT ALL SHOULD COME TO REPENTANCE..

That comes from the Bible and is truth. Thats a truth about God. Do they have the wrong God? Then so did Peter when he wrote that under inspiration.

God would save everyone but for there to be harmony in eternity, all must love and obey God, because He provided for their salvation. Love not freely given, is not love.
---therese on 10/29/13


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markv, are you actually saying men have a choice? you said it in the post just before mine. you contradict yourself yet again.
---shira4368 on 10/29/13


Theresa, the millions who have perished, perished without Christ. They are condemned already. You say,
"No one has perished eternally yet. Yes some will in the lake of fire. We all have a choice to accept salvation and come to love God." Dead people do not have any choice of any kind. They are dead. When they are resurrected, they will be sentenced. They are condemned already. Once those millions died without faith in Christ, there is no more chances.
While a person is still physically alive, he might still be saved, if God decides to draw him to Himself and save him. This decision is God's. While men is condemned, he cannot get himself uncondemn.
---Mark_V. on 10/29/13


markv, I also know the one true God. I also have studied his attributes. surely you know God's ways are not our ways and God's thoughts are not our thoughts. even if you could predict what God would do, you would be way off target. you accuse others here of worshiping another god. Ive ask you several times how did you get saved? you never answered but you said God does not hear sinners and that is what the bible said, however, God speaks to the unsaved for salvation. people. the whole world can be saved but we know many will not be saved. do you know anything else the bible teaches besides your "elect" I am very anxious to hear how how you got saved.
---shira4368 on 10/29/13


Mark V you wrote millions of people have already perish. Although millions have perished and turned to dust, that is not the complete end, for Jesus said all will be resurrected.

John 5:29, A DAY IS COMING WHEN ALL WHO ARE IN THEIR GRAVES WILL HEAR HIS VOICE AND COME FORTH, THOSE WHO HAVE DONE GOOD TO THE RESURRECTION OF LIFE AND THOSE WHO HAVE DONE EVIL TO THE RESURRECTION OF CONDEMNATION.

No one has perished eternally yet. Yes some will in the lake of fire. We all have a choice to accept salvation and come to love God.

John 3:16 GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY SON, THAT WHOSOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM SHOULD NOT PERISH BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE.
---therese on 10/28/13


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markv, many have perished but they could have been saved. even the firmament speaks of God. everyone has a chance to be saved. just because they chose to reject, they perished.
---shira4368 on 10/28/13


Theresa, I will put down what I wrote Shira
"I know the God of the Bible, I studied all passages concerning, His nature, character and attributes. When I hear someone say, God is not willing that any should perish and millions of people have already perish, I know right away they have the wrong God.
Our Omnipotent God does His will so does whatsoever He pleases when He pleases.
"He doth according to His will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay His hand" (Dan. 3:35). No one period. If someone could stay His hand, He would stop being God. But His nature never changes.
Genuine believers believe in the God of the Bible. Not a god some sinful person created in his mind
---Mark_V. on 10/28/13


Can the verses saying God does not want any to perish and the verses saying only the chosen are saved be reconciled by the thought that one BECOMES the CHOSEN when one accepts salvation.
God's mercy and justice displayed.
---therese on 10/27/13


Psalm 14:4 "Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread, and call not upon the LORD."
David makes a difference between "the workers of iniquity" and his "people".

Of those workers of iniquity he says, "Ye have shamed the counsel of the poor, because the LORD is his refuge."
Again, David differentiates between the "workers of iniquity" and the "poor".

Jesus alike: " Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.", Matthew 5:3
"For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.", John 3:20
---Nana on 10/26/13


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Nana, (Psalm 14) does not say what you said. You made it all up. In fact it starts with,
"The fool has said in his heart, There is no God." The one who says there is no God is a fool. Why? Next verses tell us.
"They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none who does good. The Lord looks down from heaven upon the children of men" Notice He didn't say God's children. "To see if there are any who understand, who seek God." none seek after God. Why? "they have all turned aside, they have together become corrupt, There is none who does good, no not one" A complete description of those who are lost without God. There is more, but thanks for the Psalm.
---Mark_V. on 10/26/13


Samuel, Luther is correct. Yet you contradicts other passages. You say,
"To me the Bible teaches that GOD calls all. Because it says so. John 12:32." That would contradict what Jesus said, "Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father" (John 6:65). Then say,
"I believe JESUS died to save the World which means all people." if true, you contradict Jesus :
"Most assuredly I say to you he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life and will not come into judgment.." (John 5:24) only those who believe. You believe that GOD does not want any to perish. 2Peter 3:9 contradicting (Dan. 4:35).
---Mark_V. on 10/26/13


"All humans are lost. Romans3"
Samuelbb7

Read Psalm 14. It is the "fool" who is lost, "gone aside".
Some are "poor" of whom the Lord spoke saying, "Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."
---Nana on 10/25/13


All humans are lost. Romans3. To me the Bible teaches that GOD calls all. Because it says so. John 12:32. You say it does not mean what it says. I believe JESUS died to save the World which means all people. John3 you say it does not mean what it says. I believe that GOD does not want any to perish. 2Peter 3:9 you say it does not mean what it says.

I have agreed that much of what you say is true and correct. But you say that I will not believe in spite of the Bible verses that you show me. I believe the Bible should interpret the Bible and that Martin Luther in his speech before the council of Worms gave the best answer. But then you probably believe he was lost. Agape Maranatha
---Samuelbb7 on 10/25/13


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Samuel, here is what you said,
". Where we disagree is that the Shepherd calls all the lost sheep. Yet not all answer"
How is that possible? Jesus said, My sheep hear My voice and they follow Me. He came to seek and to save that which was lost. The lost sheep were His sheep. Not the goats. The sheep hear Him and they all follow Him. He said so Himself. And none will perish.
Maybe you did not phrase it correctly and you mean all of the lost.
---Mark_V. on 10/25/13


I was under the believe you were talking about those who are believers already. For the lost cannot come before God and ask for anything. He will not listen. You can have communion with the Father, but only through Christ. We do not ask to be convicted of sin while lost. God has not lost His power to hear, rather He has withheld His power because of the iniquities of the people. Sin erects a barrier between man and God.
Mark_V.

I agree with every word you wrote here. I was a lost coin a sheep astray sought for by the shepherd. Where we disagree is that the Shepherd calls all the lost sheep. Yet not all answer.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/24/13


Samuel, I said you were right when you said,
"Only the HOLY SPIRIT can convict of truth and we must ask GOD to show us the truth. Not come to the Bible with our doctrine already picked and decided for us by others."
I was under the believe you were talking about those who are believers already. For the lost cannot come before God and ask for anything. He will not listen. You can have communion with the Father, but only through Christ. We do not ask to be convicted of sin while lost. God has not lost His power to hear, rather He has withheld His power because of the iniquities of the people. Sin erects a barrier between man and God.
---Mark_V. on 10/24/13


Samuelbb7 Re: your post on 10/09/13
I purposely saved this response until I consider this segment of this discussion complete. To the truth of this statement, "Fire destroys the wicked in the Second death. It cleanses the Universe of sin and the wicked are not given eternal life." I say "Amen, so be it.
Therese you ask concerning 2 Peter 3:12, "Can this fire be equated with the lake of fire?" My answer would be yes. It can be treated, representatively, as a corresponding equivalent, as to the function and purpose of the Lake of Fire. For "the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, [their] haughtiness made low:... And the idols He shall utterly abolish. Isa 2:17,18
---joseph on 10/17/13


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I do not believe anyone here is going to change the mind of those who have reach a conclusion on any given subject in Scripture. If they have not reached a conclusion, they might learn something they never heard before and check it for themselves.
What is important is to give the 'truth' (As one understands it) and allow God to take care of the rest. Peace to you.
---Mark_V. on 10/14/13
Only the HOLY SPIRIT can convict of truth and we must ask GOD to show us the truth. Not come to the Bible with our doctrine already picked and decided for us by others.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/14/13

AMEN. And again I say AMEN. "A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still."
---joseph on 10/18/13


Samuel, what you say is true. What I gather from many here is that they defend their denomination at all cost. SDA's for their cause, Catholics for theirs, Orthodox for theirs, Mormons for theirs, Jehovah Witnesses for theirs.
A true child of God, will only care for the Truth. They should have a passion for only the Truth and they should enjoy the Word of God and believe it, even if it seems it goes against our denomination believes. What God spoke through His Word only had one meaning, and sometimes many applications. Also, no passage should ever go against the nature, character and attributes of God. If they do they are wrong. Many here sacrifice the deity of God, to make their passage say what they want it to say.
---Mark_V. on 10/16/13


Only the HOLY SPIRIT can convict of truth and we must ask GOD to show us the truth. Not come to the Bible with our doctrine already picked and decided for us by others.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/14/13


Joseph, good points you gave. I do not believe anyone here is going to change the mind of those who have reach a conclusion on any given subject in Scripture. If they have not reached a conclusion, they might learn something they never heard before and check it for themselves.
What is important is to give the truth and allow God to take care of the rest. Peace to you.
---Mark_V. on 10/14/13


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Therese what ever a man believes to be true, is for that man truth, and that truth will be their guide, just as the truth we have embraced, as concerning this matter, guides us. If that truth gives them peace, security, and a sense of well being, who am I to argue it. I give everyone the full and free liberty of thinking for themselves without any opposition or criticism from me.
---joseph on 10/13/13


Joseph, in speaking of death, the first or second death, and what it means, it is almost impossible for those who believe a part of us lives on after death, be it soul or spirit to believe a verse says otherwise. When they read any scriptures that teach otherwise, they twist the scripture to fit.

There are many many verses that teach when you die, nothing remains and very few to support any further life until Jesus returns. Its just the Rich man and Lazarus that at first glance seems to teach otherwise, but unless the soul or spirit has body parts it must be seen as a parable. Give some thought to the parable of the ten virgins. Everything about that happened? Buying oil at midnight? I dont think so.
---therese on 10/13/13


"Joseph, my answer was not to correct you or say you were wrong when I said I believed what Gordon had said." I did not take your post as an attempting to correct me Mark, although, as I mentioned earlier, "I always appreciate any corrections to my posts that one deems necessary". It is all a learning process. However, thanks for the explanation, I appreciate it.
---joseph on 10/13/13


Joseph, my answer was not to correct you or say you were wrong when I said I believed what Gordon had said. You want an explanation and that is all I gave. I should have let Gordon answer you. I am sorry. I do not believe the passage in Ps. talking about all the wicked, but the lawless one. I did not even know that others agree the same way.
---Mark_V. on 10/13/13


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"I feel some of them should not be applied to the 2nd death." You are of course correct Therese. I was simply attempting to show biblically that death means death, a cessation of life, whether referencing the first or the second. The only difference being, there is a resurrection applicable to the first but not the second. However your point is well taken. Thanks
---joseph on 10/13/13


"Joseph, I believe what Gordon has said is very true" Understood Mark, and both you and Gordon are a part of the majority. I did not say what He believes is untrue. I would never accuse anyone of being "wrong" as concerning the things of the Spirit. For me to do so would be say that I know all, and to acknowledge that I "know nothing yet as I ought":0) I simply believe differently, based on the aforementioned verses of scripture. However, I will keep what both you and Gordon has shared as I continue my studies. Thanks
---joseph on 10/12/13


---joseph on 10/11/13 You quoted Isa. 26:14>Isa. 5:24>Psa.104:35>Psa. 37:8-10,20,36,38>Psa.68:2>Psa. 52:5>Prov.29:1>Prov. 2:22>Prov.24:20>Prov. 10:25>10:30>Job. 20:5 8

I agree with you that destroy, slay etc means completely finished, non existent when applied to the final destruction of the wicked. However we need to be careful that the verses we quote apply to the 2nd death, and not to a local situation when enemies would be destroyed, suffering the first death. When reading the context of the verses you quoted, I feel some of them should not be applied to the 2nd death.
---therese on 10/12/13


"Joseph, I believe what Gordon has said is very true." Understood Mark. The majority would agree with you. Please understand that I am not saying that Gordon's belief is untrue. I would never declare anyone's belief as "wrong" as concerning the things of the Spirit. To do so is to say that I know all, and to acknowledge that I "know nothing yet as [I] ought to know.":o) I simply believe differently based on the scriptural references mentioned in my previous post. However, I will keep your view, as well as Gordon's view in mind as I continue my studies.
P.S. If this appears twice it is because I sent a similar response this morning and noticed tonight that it had yet to appeared. Thanks
---joseph on 10/12/13


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Joseph, I believe what Gordon has said is very true. You mentioned (Isaiah 11:4), here King David is referring to Christ second advent. "breath of His lips" this is another figure for the Messiah's mean of inflicting physical harm. Paul draws upon this to tell of the destruction of the man of lawlessness at Christ's second advent (2 Thess. 2:8).
"And the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy, with the brightness of His coming" Satan had been promoting the spirit of lawlessness (2 Thess. 2:6).
---Mark_V. on 10/12/13


Gordon thank you for taking the time to read and comment on my post. I always appreciate any corrections to my posts that one deems necessary. The reason I believe the wicked cease to exist is as following.
Isa. 26:14>Isa. 5:24>Psa.104:35>Psa. 37:8-10,20,36,38>Psa.68:2>Psa. 52:5>Prov.29:1>Prov. 2:22>Prov.24:20>Prov. 10:25>10:30>Job. 20:5 8
"He shall strike the earth with the rod of His mouth, And with the breath of His lips He shall slay the wicked". Isa. 11:4
Gordon If you believe that slay, die, be destroyed, Perish, vanish away, is no more, cut off, be no more, be rooted out, be put out or be consumed means anything other than we would normally believe them to mean, please share your views as to why. Thanks again.
---joseph on 10/11/13


Peter writes : THE HEAVENS WILL PASS AWAY WITH A GREAT NOISE AND THE ELEMENTS WILL MELT WITH FERVENT HEAT. BOTH THE EARTH AND ITS WORKS WILL BE BURNED UP. BUT WE LOOK FORWARD TO A NEW HEAVENS AND A NEW EARTH 2 Peter 3:12-13

These verses seem to point to the purpose of this fire to prepare the earth and the heavens for a new heavens and a new earth.

Can this fire be equated with the lake of fire?

Are there scriptures to support either a yes or no?
---therese on 10/11/13


joseph, The destruction of both body and soul is not annihilation.

It is the bringing of the soul down to a state of worthlessness, meaninglessness, emptiness, loneliness, misery, hopelessness and valueless existence throughout Eternity,
with literal and excruciatingly painful Torments on top of it all.

People who will be abiding in the Lake of Fire will suffer through being has-been, forgotten souls, abandoned by GOD throughout all Eternity.
Suffering through painful Torments without GOD ever coming around to rescue them in Mercy.

The only thing of GOD they'll experience is HIS Wrath and disgust towards them, which will be expressed by the Fire and Brimstone of the Lake of Fire, et al.
---Gordon on 10/11/13


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Samuel, You have chosen Verses that you have not discerned their meanings.

PSALM 16:10 was spoken by king David, who was prophesying about the Messiah YAHUSHUA (JESUS).
It was not a reference of the wicked who are condemned into Hell at death.

And, AMOS 9:2 is GOD speaking about the wicked who go into Hell.

GOD was stressing that even if the wicked COULD go up to Heaven, HE would surely bring them back down. If in Hell, HIS Hand and Wrath are there to execute HIS Judgment against them there.
---Gordon on 10/11/13


Gordon, The Lake of Fire represents the second death, and is the destruction of both the "body and soul" of the wicked. Mat. 10:28
Rev. 20:7-9 Verse 9 "....and fire came down from God out of heaven, and 'devoured' (utterly consumed) them."Isa.29:5-7>Zec. 14:12
The principle of the lake of fire is seen at the second coming of Jesus, the final assault on Jerusalem, and the great white throne of judgement. At His coming the wicked are destroyed with the brightness.. and consumed by the word of His mouth. 2Th 2:8 At the throne "Tophet was established of old, Yes, for the king it is prepared.., The breath of the LORD, like a stream of brimstone, Kindles it. And His tongue like a devouring fire. Isa 30:33>Isa 30:27
---joseph on 10/10/13


\\Also I thought the Orthodox rejected Purgatory but I was not sure till now. \\

The Roman Catholic doctrines of Purgatory and Limbo are not the same places, Samuel.

And Orthodoxy rejects both.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/10/13


Thank you Cluny not many know that the word hell comes from different Greek and Hebrew words. Also I thought the Orthodox rejected Purgatory but I was not sure till now.

If we go to hell GOD will be there.
Psa 139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

Tell me what these verses mean?

Psa 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Amo 9:2 Though they dig into hell, thence shall mine hand take them, though they climb up to heaven, thence will I bring them down:
---Samuelbb7 on 10/10/13


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Lawrence, I wish I had said your post. I totally agree with you. hell is hot and budda, alla and all false gods will go there.
---shira4368 on 10/10/13


\\Cluny, If you want to down-play the reality of Hell's horrific severity by claiming that Hell (Sheol) is nothing more than "an abode of departed spirits" as if it were some vague, pseudo-ethereal place of limbo that can't really be defined",\\

That's not what I'm doing, Gordon.

The KJV translators used ONE word--Hell--to translated three or four different Hebrew and Greek words that meant different things.

And you obviously don't know what LIMBO means in Roman Catholic theology--btw, this is a concept that Orthodoxy rejects.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/10/13


Hell was Totally meant for satan & the angels that was down cast from heaven. Since Eve partook of the forbidden fruit & passed it to Adam, from then & even now. Since the dispensation of grace & God's salvation Acts 2 v 38 was delivered to the Jewish people First on the day of Pentecost by Apostle Peter, then to us gentiles, Many human souls that reject it, will go into hell also by their choice. They rejected it because they listened to (the Very same devil 2nd.Cor. 11 v 14 for the trinity Rev. 17 v's 4 - 6,
& those that worship the gods buddha, mohammed, hindu etc., All part of the gates of hell) & will Not prevail against (or over) the Acts 2 v 38 Church of The Living God.
---Lawrence on 10/10/13


Where is the bible verse that says Sheol is the place of departed Spirits? Where is the verse that says departed spirits think. Do not give the story of the Rich Man and Lazarus because they had bodies and tongues and needed water so they could not be Spirits.

I have studied Greek Mythology and many of the ideas about Sheol come from that source not the Bible.


Psa 146:1 -4 Praise ye the LORD. Praise the LORD, O my soul. While I live will I praise the LORD: I will sing praises unto my God while I have any being. Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help. His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth, in that very day his thoughts perish.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/10/13


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Cluny, If you want to down-play the reality of Hell's horrific severity by claiming that Hell (Sheol) is nothing more than "an abode of departed spirits" as if it were some vague, pseudo-ethereal place of limbo that can't really be defined", then you are free to do so. But, just know that you do it out of complete ignorance. And, this due to the lack of study and a lack of zeal to know and face the real truth.

And, yes, Hell IS "an abode of departed spirits", but it's a place of TORMENTED and TORTURED spirits.

Know that.
---Gordon on 10/9/13


\\Cluny, Shira is speaking of ISAIAH 5:14,\\

Contrary to what shira said, this verse does NOT say that God enlarges hell, but that hell enlarges itself.

And next, is this the Hebrew word "sheol" that simply means "abode of the departed spirits" (sometimes simply "grave") or that means "place of eternal punishment"?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/9/13


\\please cluny, that is a fact where you believe or not. I don't plan on going there to find out either.
---shira4368 on 10/9/13\\

In other words, shira, you can give NO Bible verse that says God enlarges hell.

Just as I thought.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/9/13


please cluny, that is a fact where you believe or not. I don't plan on going there to find out either.
---shira4368 on 10/9/13


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Joseph most here are ignoring the Bible verses you showed that say the devil will be destroyed.

In fact many deny that destroy means destroy.

Fire destroys the wicked in the Second death. It cleanses the Universe of sin and the wicked are not given eternal life.


Rev 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches, He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/9/13


Cluny, Shira is speaking of ISAIAH 5:14,

"Therefore Hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure:
and their glory and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it."
---Gordon on 10/9/13


Gordon: Hell & the lake of fire is divine prison for those who rebel against God/Jesus words till the end(of their life or the earth). May my soul never be amongst them.
---Adetunji on 10/9/13


\\not only did God create hell but He enlarges it too.
---shira4368 on 10/8/13\\

BCV, please, shira.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/8/13


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not only did God create hell but He enlarges it too.
---shira4368 on 10/8/13


willie c, So, you're basically saying that GOD's primary purpose for the Lake of Fire is for "controlling" it's yet future inhabitants (the Devil, fallen angels and unrepentant, evil mankind), not primarily to make them suffer.

"Control" them to what end?

Control them to become better, more behaved creatures?

Control them "from sinning"? (But, their chance to be delivered from their sin, by that time, will be way past over).

Control them, then, for what purpose?

In your thinking, what would GOD be controlling them to do, or be, or what-have-you?
---Gordon on 10/8/13


Yes, Gordon, the lake of fire and brimstone is prepared for Satan and his angels.

Also, I consider how Paul says there is "the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience," in Ephesians 2:2. There is the evil spirit of this world's selfishness . . . Satan's evil spirit working people to disobey how our Father desires us to share with Him in His family caring and sharing love.

This spirit is filthy with complaining and arguing and other joy-dead stuff. So, it belongs in the flaming sewer of fire and brimstone.

Fire can control any wild animal. This is the only thing that can really control this world's stubborn people. So, it's just being practical, not primarily trying to make anyone suffer.
---willie_c: on 10/8/13


joseph, Zechariah 14:12 is not talking about the Lake of Fire.
That's more relating to something like a nuclear explosion, etc.
So, you can't use that Verse as an argument against the eternality of the Lake of Fire.

The Lake of Fire is a whole different matter.
---Gordon on 10/8/13


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His purpose? To take Satan and his followers out of existence. How? Concerning Satan Eze.28:18 .. I will bring forth a fire from the midst of you, and I will bring you to ashes upon the earth in the sight of them that 'behold' (Strongs-Joyfully considered & approved of) thee." As concerning his followers Zech.14:12..."Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, & their eyes shall consume away in their holes, & their tongue shall consume away (Strongs-Melt & vanish) in their mouth". The results, "They are dead, they shall not live (Strongs-be revived or restored) [They are] deceased (Strongs-from its root, caused to cease, to be wholly consumed) they shall not rise":
---joseph on 10/6/13


"Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory"
Romans 9:21-23

1. to demonstrate His wrath on the vessels of dishonour.
2. to demonstrate the richness of His mercy on the vessel of honour when He throws the vessels of dishonour into the Lake of Fire.

"For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen."
---christan on 10/6/13


billy graham use to really preach but the bible says there is a lake of fire. to me fire means fire. according to the Word of God, fire means fire where the worm dieth not.
---shira4368 on 10/6/13


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