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Is the real secret to heaven fearing God and if so how important is it to get your salvation right?

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Elder, I will take it you now see that which I have written is correct.
---Warwick on 10/21/13


Mark_V, Christian: I think too much study have bent you into your present understanding of predestination. Matthew 25 is the Lord Jesus Christ's word. Your arguments cannot remove or extract it out of the Bible. The Spirit of God using Paul can never go against the words of the Master of life except man's understanding is wrong, you can check what Apostle Peter said about Paul's teaching in 2 Peter 3.
---Adetunji on 10/21/13


christan on 10/20/13

No one's calling God a LIAR. Out of the same lump "of clay" that Adam was formed, God set aside a people of His own. ISRAEL. Starting with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who God renamed ISRAEL. The Jews were vessels of Honour and the Gentiles were not. Get your facts correct first before spouting off your ignorance.

NOW TODAY out of both Jew and Gentile, there is one called the NEW CREATURE. That creature is not carnal/earthly or fleshly, but SPIRITUAL, therefore NOT CLAY.

Even when Paul addresses Timothy, re, saying IF YOU separate yourselves from these, I will make of You a vessel of Honour fit for the masters use, NO CLAY is even mentioned. Now that is again FOR SERVICE not salvation.
---kathr4453 on 10/21/13


"English word-meanings change it must be revised to..."
Warwick

That is why we must go back to the Greek/Hebrew/Latin and so forth. What Greek meant in the first century it still means what it did then.

When the Greek says, "Estate" modern English says, "rooms." That is because the English changed not the Greek.

The newer versions leave out words so you can never search out the intended meaning. One example, some calls Mary a young woman and don't call her a virgin.

Most of the newer versions came from the same manuscripts that produced the New Word Translation for the JWs.

Maybe you'd like to share some of the archaic words giving false meanings.
---Elder on 10/21/13


Christian, are you markv's wife? I would go out on a limb that you are markv or his wife. the way your words and views is a take off of what mark says and the language is almost identical.
---shira4368 on 10/21/13




Richard, OT were NOT Born again. To be born from above one must first be crucified with Christ and raises up together with Him...the raising up together with him IS your Born from Above experience. This was not available to any OT peoples.
---kathr4453 on 10/21/13


Adetunji, you quote verses like Titus 2:11 and change the meaning to suit your doctrine of freewill. Have you considered confirming what "all men" Titus was referring to? Was Titus referring to all mankind or only a particular group?

You see, Christ declared, "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father." John 6:37,65

Given Christ's statement, the "all men" would only imply "All that the Father giveth me". Did the Father gave all mankind to Christ? If He did, hell would be empty and redundant.
---christan on 10/20/13


Isaiah 44:21
Remember these, O Jacob and Israel, for thou art my servant: I have formed thee, thou art my servant: O Israel, thou shalt not be forgotten of me.


Markv, YOU are not Jacob or Israel.

And again here is a PROMISE God will keep. Romans 11.

The NEW CREATURE is not formed out of any clay. We are Born from Above through Jesus Christ, to be conformed to HIS image.

So either you are saying Jesus was formed or created by God FIRST, before we can be conformed to HIS image......OR you have no idea what the new birth is to begin with.

And read that verse again, it say to be God's servant. The elder shall SERVE the younger. Romans 9.

So who serves you Markv.
---kathr4453 on 10/20/13


KARTHR4453 - on 10/18/13 - Old Testament were Born Again as well -

Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believe on him that justified the ungodly: his faith is counted for righteousness ,

Romans 4:6 Even David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

Impute - Theology ascribe - righteousness , guilt ,etc , To someone by virtue of a similar quality in another ( Christ righteousness has been imputed to us )
---RICHARDC on 10/20/13


Brother MarkV, what truly amazes me and make the Word of God so true is when Jesus declared in Matthew 13:15, "For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed, lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them."

And true to His Words, we are witness to these same kind of vessels today. Paul who's a prophet of God and apostle of Christ wrote those words about vessels of honour and dishonour whom God has created from the same lump of clay.

And right before God they call Him a liar.
---christan on 10/20/13




"Is the real secret to heaven fearing God?" No.
Freely acknowledging Jesus as Lord of salvation and confessing Him as such is, and that Is no secret. Rom 10:9>Mat 10:32
However, we are informed that "Them that honor Me I will honor." 1Sa 2:30
We are also instructed to "Stand in awe, commune with your heart upon your bed, and be still." Psa 4:4
"if so how important is it to get your salvation right?"
That is not on man, Father saves, and His way is the "Truth, the Way, and the Life", and "no man comes unto the Father, but by [Jesus]". Jhn 14:6
---josef on 10/20/13


Elder I would think it correct if you were to acknowledge the accuracy of my blog of 18/10.

My original point was to demonstrate some of the many flaws in the KJV, most of them because the meaning of words has changed. As has been pointed out the KJV has been considerably revised a few times to keep up with word-meaning changes and desperately needs to be revised again. As has also been pointed out the KJV is not the original word of God but a translation of much older texts into English. Therefore as English word-meanings change it must be revised to keep it in line with the original texts from which it was translated. The result of inaction is to render it archaic, giving false meanings.
---Warwick on 10/20/13


"Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?"

Who are you?
---christan on 10/19/13

So are you still on some kick that God what CREATED people this or thus? Or are you quoting scripture Paul quoted from the OT , a conversation between Israel and God concerning Israel? It still has nothing to do with YOU, or individual salvation.

Don't you KNOW the verse where God FORMED Israel the NATION? And that the clay was marred in the potters hand
and the Potter is going to form them all over again? That's Romans 11.

Do your homework Christan.
---kathr4453 on 10/20/13


Kathr, you now say,
"See here is where your comment is BOGUS Christan. God did NOT CREATE vessels of honor or dishonor,"
You are wrong Kathr. He created you out of the same lump of clay He created others different then you.
"But indeed, O man, who are you to reply to God? Will the thing formed say to Him who formed it, "why have you made me like this? Does not the Putter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?" You, who was formed by God complains against what God has done. I call that and anti-Christ answer. Speaking against the Word of God. Only the spirit of the anti-Christ will make someone oppose God's Word.
---Mark_V. on 10/20/13


"the scripture in Daniel is speaking to believers" Shira4368

Wrong again! Daniel 4:35 is a declaration by King Nebuchadnezzar and has nothing to do with only for believers. What's true is only believers will hear. Do you hear?

If you claim you hear, why then do you have a problem that God has created vessels of honor and dishonors for His own glory as written in Romans 9? Is He wrong to do that? You and your cohorts seems to think so, but this is what Paul said,

"Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?"

Who are you?
---christan on 10/19/13


Adetunji, you agree on two. You say,
"(3) God's grace is available for everyone (not your selected few, Titus 2:11)" First the passage does not teach universal salvation. All men is all mankind, refers to humanity in general. Then say,
" (4) God's grace is not forced on anyone" If God does not have mercy and grace on a person, they remain condemned forever, You say, "it is received by those who believe Mark 1:15", Of course, they are believers already. You say, "this is where choice cones in (in believing Mark 16:16)." The reason we make a choice for Christ is because we already believe in Christ. Man make choices, either for God, or for the devil. No one make choices for nothing.
---Mark_V. on 10/19/13


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"But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased. Psalm 115:3 - doesn't this include creating vessels of honor and dishonor for His glory? Deciding from eternity who goes to heaven or hell? Why do you not believe Paul's testimony in Romans 9?

---christan on 10/18/13

See here is where your comment is BOGUS Christan. God did NOT CREATE vessels of honor or dishonor, unless that part of creation took place in the first 6 days. I see Adam and Eve were the ONLY ones CREATED, and no reference to either being one or the other. All else were BEGOTTEN through Adam and Eve starting with Cain.

If you say every person was created individually after as Adam and Eve, you are saying Jesus was also created.
---kathr4453 on 10/19/13


Christian, the scripture in Daniel is speaking to believers. I think I did tell you to rightly divide. you actually think you are smart and when you keep on, you are showing your intelligence.
---shira4368 on 10/19/13


Christan, Romans 9 is about earthly Israel being God's vessel of honor on earth, yet ALL Israel was not SAVED.

The CLAY is that of earthly. Israel was God's representatives on earth. This goes back to God's Covenent promise to ABRAHAM. Israel was a LIGHT to the nations.

God said to Abraham , I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you. The 2nd pharaoh held Israel in bondage! and cursed them in doing so.

That is what Romans 9 is about, and is exactly what Paul is saying. God had every right to bring his wrath upon Egypt.
---kathr4453 on 10/19/13


How's my God even in a "box" when we are explicitly told "And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and He doeth according to His will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay His hand, or say unto Him, What doest thou?" Daniel 4:10

"But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased. Psalm 115:3 - doesn't this include creating vessels of honor and dishonor for His glory? Deciding from eternity who goes to heaven or hell? Why do you not believe Paul's testimony in Romans 9?

You worship a god who's in the "box", that's because he's controlled by the man's freewill. Who's in the "box"?
---christan on 10/18/13


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Christian, you are the one putting God in a box. you say we are limited in what God can do for the "world". you just go right ahead and think you are special. why do you think you are the "elect"? you say you won't know til judgement. well, praise God I know I am saved. I don't have to wait to find out. you need to rightly divide God's Word.
---shira4368 on 10/18/13


Christan, obviously you fail to understand God's Covenants. There is no such covenant limiting God from saving anyone who comes to Him.

You claim there is what is called a Covenant of Grace, whereby Grace means God's good humor based on respect of persons. No such Covenant exists except the one Calvin made up. In this bogus covenant you all claim OT Saints were Born Again as well.

"THOSE who have the faith of Abraham", nowhere is stated this was a gift given him to believe so that he could believe.

The Everlasting Covenant is whosoever will may come. This means it is to Jews and Gentiles alike, where as the Old Covenant was to Jews Only. This you just fail to grasp.
---kathr4453 on 10/18/13


"What kind of god starts out wanting to save the "whole world" and the man's "freewill" stands in His way?"
A loving God that wants/allows you to have what you want.

Now,
What kind of god only cares about less than half the world?
What kind of god must force himself on you?
What kind of god is so powerless that he can't draw people to him with his love?
What kind of god makes you his even if you don't want to be?

Ugh.... an insecure, powerless but power hungry god.
---Elder on 10/18/13


shira4368, you say "it's sort of funny to me that God has been limited in His power". But that's the very doctrine of the freewill. First you say God wants to save the "whole world". Then the man's "freewill" (aka the power) is in the way of God's will.

In other words, God cannot interfere with his decision. Now honestly, aren't you "limiting the power of God" to save the sinner since His will is to save the "whole world"?

What kind of god starts out wanting to save the "whole world" and the man's "freewill" stands in His way? I'll tell you - a god of your imagination.

Thank God Almighty, "His ways are not your ways".
---christan on 10/18/13


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Samuelbb7,

"And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren." Romans 8:28,29

Did Paul say it's God "who chooses for us"?

First of all, God doesn't "choose for you". He simply just chooses those He wants to save before they were even born (Romans 9:11 will testify to that). Don't fool yourself into thinking there's a similarity in your belief to that of MarkV's. It's heaven and hell apart.
---christan on 10/18/13


Elder 'oikia' appears in the NT 35 times e.g. Matthew 5:15,7:25,27, 8:6, and of course John 14:2 and in every case it is translated 'house.' That of course includes the KJV.

The NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon gives the following meanings: a house an inhabited edifice, a dwelling, the inmates of a house, the family
property, wealth, goods. It appears 94 times in this lexicon in the following order: home 6, house 75, household 5, households 1, houses 7, and no other meanings. As you see in context it can mean "the inmates of a house, the family property, wealth, goods" but these meanings do not occur in the NT because they do not fit with the context.
---Warwick on 10/18/13


Samuel, you say first:
"Where I disagree with you is that GOD chooses for us." I only write what the Bible tells us. Then say,
" He forces some to be saved against their will and then because he chooses to send others to hell to burn for all eternity for what they had no choice of doing since GOD refused to change them."
Samuel, everyone is condemned already, all descendants of Adam, they are heading to hell. What you are suggesting is that it is not fair for God to save some, He should let all go to hell, where they are heading. That He should not make that choice to save some.
---Mark_V. on 10/18/13


it's sort of funny to me that God has been limited in His power. we know everyone will not be saved but they all have a chance. I'm glad the God I serve saves the "whole" world if the world will accept. they are blinded by satan.
---shira4368 on 10/18/13


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Mark_V: (1) Yes, everyone coming to earth from Adam comes with sinful nature (not only those who will go to hell) .(2) It is by God's grace that anyone will be saved, Eph.2:8-9 (3) God's grace is available for everyone (not your selected few, Titus 2:11) (4) God's grace is not forced on anyone, it is received by those who believe Mark 1:15, this is where choice cones in (in believing Mark 16:16). By believing we make a choice Titus 2:12-14 (not by an unknown lottery ). You can also read Ezekiel 18, it will stress to you that man has a choice to live or die(hell).
---Adetunji on 10/18/13


True our salvation is not based on our works we are all sinners. We are saved by Grace alone. So there Mark V we agree. Where I disagree with you is that GOD chooses for us. He forces some to be saved against their will and then because he chooses to send others to hell to burn for all eternity for what they had no choice of doing since GOD refused to change them.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/17/13


"if your father god is all powerful and sovern why didn't He give everyone to his son? What do you suppose made the difference?" Elder

"What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion." Romans 9:14,15


"Do you think he was not powerful enough to do that or what?"

That sounds more like your god, claiming he came to save everyone and yet multitudes are still going to hell.

My God declared, "Faithful is He that calleth you, who also will do it." 1 Thessalonians 5:24
---christan on 10/17/13


Warwick, the NAS used the word in question. The NAS Exhaustive Concordance expounded it as they used it.
There are other meanings of the word that is all.
Thanks for your respectful demeaner.
---Elder on 10/17/13


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Adetunji, I see you are basing your understandings on the concept of free will, which is very wrong. you say:
". People have being going to hell because they died in disobedience to God." No. They are born condemned already. All descendants of Adam are condemned, separated from God, read (john 3:18). Then say,
" In Matthew 25, using 3 different parables the Lord Jesus made it clear that souls will be sent to paradise or hell based on what they choose to do here on earth." That is not true. Whether we go to heaven or not, is not base on our works, everyone is a sinner. Going to heaven is base on God's Grace. God having mercy on us. Our salvation is not base on our works, all our works are filthy rag's.
---Mark_V. on 10/17/13


Nana, don't be surprise if you see that, I see that Elder has some power on this site. But it is ok. I will still answer him with the Word of God. He and you and others can keep calling us name all you want. You give a good display of the salvation all of you have by your own free wills.
I am willing to answer any question. Elder says I do not answer questions but with all the complaining he does, I might have missed a question. I am willing to answer. You are challenge with the truth, and the anger rises to the top. I do not expect any less. I bet you guys act very holy among yourselves.

As to the question, all believers should have the fear of God in them under the New Covenant, yet it seems not many have it here.
---Mark_V. on 10/17/13


Christan: //He did? Gee.. how then do you explain those who are going to hell for all eternity?// The answer to your question is already in my previous comment. Maybe you didn't read it all or didn't understand it. People have being going to hell because they died in disobedience to God. In Matthew 25, using 3 different parables the Lord Jesus made it clear that souls will be sent to paradise or hell based on what they choose to do here on earth. Please read it. Or do you want to use some words of Apostle Paul that you misunderstood to say the Lord is wrong?
---Adetunji on 10/17/13


Elder, you wrote "Warwick, after reading a reference you gave I want to point out, this is one example of word misuse by NAS. You examined a NAS Exhaustive Concordance.
This "reference" book only gave part of the meaning of the word. Hope this helps."

Please explain.
---Warwick on 10/16/13


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"It's so sad that your jesus shed his blood for "ALL the world" and it's still worthless and that's because multitudes are still marching toward the wide gate of destruction. So much for dying for "ALL the world". How pathetic."
christan on 10/16/13

I'll be so glad when you and your mother Mark_V. get banned from this community.
Busybody women like you, meddlers, always stirring bickering and animosity, who respect not their seniors or anybody for that matter.
Yes, soon you'll be history...
---Nana on 10/16/13


"my Father didn't give everyone to His Son. If He did, no one will be going to hell."
OK, christian, if your father god is all powerful and sovern why didn't He give everyone to his son? What do you suppose made the difference?
Do you think he was not powerful enough to do that or what?
This is just a "fact finding" question so I can explain this to others.
---Elder on 10/16/13


"God predestined all men to be saved & to go to paradise" Adetunji

He did? Gee.. how then do you explain those who are going to hell for all eternity?

It's one thing to speak about predestination but to lie about it is another all together.

And since your god has predestined "all men to be saved", hey why even preach the Gospel to begin with? Since according to you, "all men will be saved"?

I don't know who God has elected but I'm certain He has already decided who He's going to save from all eternity. And definitely that doesn't include "all men" but only those He gave to His Son. That's why we preach the Gospel!
---christan on 10/16/13


Kathr, talking about those God makes spiritually alive, because after all they are physically alive already,
---Mark_V. on 10/16/13


being dead in trespass and sin is NOT the same as being CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST. If you don't face the 2nd death NOW IN CHRIST you will face the second death later without Him. Hopefully that will answer YOUR dumb statement .

YOU simply do not understand our old man, our old sin man is crucified with Christ, not made spiritually alive.
---kathr4453 on 10/16/13


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"...the price Jesus paid for ALL the world." shira4368

It's so sad that your jesus shed his blood for "ALL the world" and it's still worthless and that's because multitudes are still marching toward the wide gate of destruction. So much for dying for "ALL the world". How pathetic.

Whereas my Jesus Christ died only for "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." John 6:37 - and one thing's for sure, my Father didn't give everyone to His Son. If He did, no one will be going to hell.

Those heading for hell is simply because the Father didn't give them to His Son and Jesus didn't die for them, period.
---christan on 10/16/13


Deuteronomy 4:28-31


29 But if from thence thou shalt seek the Lord thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.

30 When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the Lord thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice,

31 (For the Lord thy God is a merciful God,) he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.
---kathr4453 on 10/16/13


Kathr, talking about those God makes spiritually alive, because after all they are physically alive already,
"But God who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved "us" (believers) even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ by grace you have been saved, and raised "us" (believers) up together, and made "us" (believers) sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward "us" (believers) in Christ Jesus." (Eph. 2:4-7).
That should answer your dumb questions. If not, then you are too far lost.
---Mark_V. on 10/16/13


Mr. Mark, you just plain lie.
Again you have been given the verses by me and others. Your denying changes nothing. You just fail to accept them.
You also answer no questions.
Everyone who answers you receives your venom and hateful spirit. Then you wonder why people reject you.
Your post are the same over and over. You place yourself above others and then tell how Christlike you are. People are not as blind as you wish they were.
---Elder on 10/16/13


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Mark you seem to understand nothing and read into everything to your benift.
You accuse me of calling you a girl because I used the word dress on another blog. First I have more respect for women than that. Next, you do dress don't you? Try to understand the words.
Then you use this as a reason to not answwer the simple questions I posted to you. I figure that you just can't answer them.
And... you don't know why I asked the questions. You are just running to protect your false views.
So, I will post and answer the questions for you. Then you won't believe them.
---Elder on 10/16/13


Mr. Elder, if you understood what I said you would know that those whom God has made spiritually alive together with Christ do not listen to the voice of strangers. ----
---Mark_V. on 10/15/13

Mr Markv, if you understood the doctrine of the CROSS you would know that you were never made alive together with Christ before you died with Christ. So it is you who is listening to the voice of strangers believing yourself as one alive together with Christ who never died with Christ first to be able to be made alive TOGETHER with Christ.

YOU claim you were crucified with Christ and raised up in the Resurrection Christ before ever hearing the Gospel first.

Not only is that doctrine STRANGE but came from a stranger.
---kathr4453 on 10/16/13


Mr. Elder, now you say to me, which does not surprise me,
"Mr. Mark, I see you are running with your little scooper trying to pick up behind yourself." Great words again from a godly man.
I don't expect you to love me, like me, are care what I say. I expect you to keep calling names, and express what is really in your heart. That comes from many who are saved by their own free will.
Their salvation is so great, they do not have to walk in the Spirit.
"There is none who understands, There is none who seeks after God" (Rom. 3:11). This passages proof that fallen man does not understand, and none of them seek after God. you say they do with their own free will. You just don't understand.
---Mark_V on 10/16/13


Mr Elder 2: I also noticed you never answered my passages that speak against what you say. And you never provided the 15 free will passages you say you found. I would only ask for two, so we can read them together. I am here to answer any question you have. Name calling does not look good for you. Do you not feel the fear of God every day? All believers should have that fear in them. No matter what you say, I still do not hate you or have vengence of any kind against you. God knows my heart.
---Mark_V. on 10/16/13


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Mr. Mark, I see you are running with your little scooper trying to pick up behind yourself.
I don't think you even read the Bible much less study. Study to you is refering to some book. This is proven by the fact I asked you a question that had you went to the Bible you could have posted the correct answer.
Posting Scripture for you is just allowing you to trample it underfoot. It is fruitless.
We have all posted Scripture, over and over, for you .
I used to think you just didn't understand now I think you are a servant used to distort truth.
---Elder on 10/15/13


Christian: (1) God predestined all men to be saved & to go to paradise (2) God made hell for the devil & other fallen angels (3) Anyone that allows God/Jesus to lead him/her till the end shall be saved (4) Anyone that chooses to disobey God till the end is Satan's friend & shall share hell with him ((5) there is a confusion on your side of those
Bible passages you quote & attach wrong conclusion to (6) May the good Lord educate you & I more on this subject.
---Adetunji on 10/15/13


christian, the ones who have no eyes, ears, are sinners. why do you think God wrote that? the bible is about sinners and salvation and the price Jesus paid for ALL the world.
---shira4368 on 10/15/13


Wow! If you have said nothing of freewill, why are you name-calling? Isn't that a sign that your wire has been short-circuited? You quote Matthew 9:36 implying that it's up to the man and nothing to do with God?

Didn't you say "Man has ears, just need instruction and a shepperd"? And yet Christ proclaimed,

"For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed, lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them." Matthew 13:15

Aren't we told we can't hear and see? But you say we can? Isn't that freewill?
---christan on 10/15/13


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Mr. Elder, if you understood what I said you would know that those whom God has made spiritually alive together with Christ do not listen to the voice of strangers. In fact they run away from him,
"Yet they will by no means follow a stranger but will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers." (John 10:5). now those who are not His sheep, (the lost) they will listen to you and believe you. Why? because they can understand your voice, they are like you. I hope you understand the reason I said what I said. What does it have to do with predestination? I will teach you what those passages mean concerning predestination on a later lesson.
---Mark_V. on 10/15/13


Shira, it hurts to hear someone you believe, be confronted with the truth. I give Scripture, he gives his opinions and calls names.
You say,
"I doubt if elder will go to the trouble to answer you." I doubted too. He might answer me by calling me names, because that is all he has. Then say,
" almost everything you post is out of context." Do you even know what context means? He spoke about the lost hearing, and I put down the word of God about hearing is that out of context? Then say,
" to elder that is so trivial because he has answered you over and over." He says yes, the Bible says no. Yet has not answered why he says yes. Trivial you say, of course it is to him.
---Mark_V. on 10/15/13


Look here JackAsss, I said nothing of freewill or that "because of their freewill that He showed compassion".

Matthew 9:35_38 "And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people. But when he saw the multitudes, he was moved with compassion on them, because they fainted, and were scattered abroad, as sheep having no shepherd. Then saith he unto his disciples, The harvest truly is plenteous, but the labourers are few, Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest."
---Nana on 10/14/13


"Man has ears, just need instruction and a shepperd (Mathew 9:36)."

Is that what Matthew 9:36 implies? Christ saw that it was because of their freewill that He showed compassion? Wow! Amazing how you see things that's not even written.

Here's the reason why He showed compassion in Matthew 9:36 - John 13:18, "I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me."

John 10:3,14 "To him the porter openeth, and the sheep hear his voice: and He calleth His own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine."
---christan on 10/14/13


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"Elder, If anyone listens to you, they could not possibly be saved.
Mark_V.

Mark you get lamer by the moment. You are now denying your own false doctrine.
If it were true that God predetermines who the "elect/saved" are, how could listening to me change that?
So, if a person listens to me you claim they can't be saved. That limits the power of God. You have given more power to me than you have given to God. Then you say I am wrong.
You are so full of error you can't see the truth. Even your own posts expose you.
Plus, It was you, on another blog, that said you have problems with drugs. I was repeating what you said. Were you lying about that too?
Your "circle" doctrine is not working for you.
---Elder on 10/14/13


Adetunji, "mis-think"? I would rather say that you can't believe what you read which happens to be God's word and declaration of who He is, as written in the Bible. This is what the Word declares,

"As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? ...the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction... being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed." Romans 9:13,21,22, 1 Peter 2:8

There's no interpretation needed to the verses presented above or to any of verses in His written Word. Bottom-line, you're in unbelief of God's word, period.
---christan on 10/14/13


Elder, you now tell the world I have a drug addiction. You mentioned I have hate and vengence, and it is you calling me names. The evidence of your free will salvation is showing. T Why don't you understand the Truth? Because even though you believe you have free will, you are still in bondage to sin, and don't realize it. Here is the gospel Truth,
"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, "for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes" for the Jew first and also for the Greek" (Rom. 1:16). Don't you get it? The Bible is for believers. It is power to us who believe. The lost do not believe. The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing.
---Mark_V. on 10/14/13


Proberbs 1:1_7 The proverbs of Solomon the son of David, king of Israel,
"To know wisdom and instruction, to perceive the words of understanding,
To receive the instruction of wisdom, justice, and judgment, and equity,
To give subtilty to the simple, to the young man knowledge and discretion.
A wise man will hear, and will increase learning, and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels:
To understand a proverb, and the interpretation, the words of the wise, and their dark sayings.
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction."

Man has ears, just need instruction and a shepperd (Mathew 9:36).
---Nana on 10/14/13


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markv, I doubt if elder will go to the trouble to answer you. almost everything you post is out of context. to elder that is so trivial because he has answered you over and over. you just don't get it.
---shira4368 on 10/14/13


Elder says,
""Faith comes from hearing,... If you hear the word you get faith. That's what the Word says."
First, you need to have spiritual hearing, Second, You suggest the lost can receive the gospel in the power of God when they hear it. The Bible says,
"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, "for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes," to the Jew first and also to the Gentile"
The gospel is the power of God to those who believe. Not the lost. Why do you not understand?
"The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God" (1 Cor. 1:18).
---Mark_V. on 10/14/13


Elder, you call us names, then state there is hate and vengeance in my heart. There is no hate in me for you are anyone. It's not my soul at stake.
Shira says you are very knowledgeable, I say you are not, in spiritual matters. You read in bolt letters,
"There is none who seek after God" (Rom. 3:11), you say, that is not true, that the lost seek after God with their own free will. Now how ridiculous does that sound? Jesus said, "salvation with man is impossible" You, who are smart, say, "that's not true" many can exercise their free will, it is possible" If anyone listens to you, they could not possibly be saved. yet that doesn't mean I hate you. I object to what you teach.
---Mark_V. on 10/14/13


Christian: The government, school authority & parents provide good schools, teachers, libraries, books, money for a student to go to school & succeed. Some choose to succeed using well those provisions others choose otherwise. Chistan you do not blame government, teacher & parent for fixing student to fail, how dare you misthink that the Almighty God fixed some for hell?
---Adetunji on 10/14/13


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According to Jesus all a man needs to see and understand is common sense and a practical mind:

Luke 6:46_49 "And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock. But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth, against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell, and the ruin of that house was great."
---Nana on 10/13/13


Mark in your best clear head moment you can't change what was asked or what the Bible says or the meaning of my response.
Your hatred and vengeance directed towards those of us who know and present the truth of Scripture is always seen.
I said, "If you hear the word you get faith." Did you notice hear, word and faith? Your attempt is broken leg lame at best.
Your simple minded attempts to distort does not honor God but only makes me think you are still affected by your drug addiction. You do this on every blog and have become a Diotrephes laughing stock. This causes you to be ignored when you do present proper Scripture, which is very rare.


---Elder on 10/13/13


Elder, where does it say so that God rewards you with faith after "hearing His Word"? If you can already hear His Word, why does God even need to give you His precious gift of "faith"? See how foolish your freewill doctrine is?

Is that even how "faith" in Christ works? From within?

Ephesians 2:8,9 explicitly declares, "For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." - it's from WITHOUT!

Clearly, Romans 10:17 only happens after the sinner has received "the gift of faith from God" that he can then hear God's words and believe in them.
---christan on 10/13/13


markv, I have told you bro. elder knows what he is talking about. he takes the whole Word of God and he knows how to rightly divide. you would do well to listen to him. he has more knowledge than anyone I ever met.
---shira4368 on 10/13/13


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Elder, if you had spiritual discernment you would never try to change the meaning of a verse.
You say:
"Faith comes from hearing, So where is it written that this verse is not for everyone that hears the Word of God? If you hear the word you get faith. That's what the Word says."
You gave the first part of the passage, in doing so, you changed the meaning of the passage. You need to understand the second part to understand the first,
"and hearing by the Word of God" you have to have spiritual hearing in order to receive faith, just like godly repentance, because hearing comes from God.
I do have the fear of God in me. You seem to have no fear of God at all.
---Mark_V. on 10/13/13


"Then how can you and Mark say you are one of the "elect?" Elder

Did I ever say I was one of the "elect"? All I know is I challenged your freewill by giving you verses from the Bible that declares otherwise. As for the "elect" of God, it's explicitly written in black and white.

"So where is it written that this verse is not for everyone that hears the Word of God?"

"All that the Father giveth me shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father." John 6:37,65 - God gave "everyone" to His Son?
---christan on 10/13/13


Carla, the fear of the Lord is in every believer. The fear of the Lord is given under the New Covenant (Jer. 32:39,40). "And I will give them one heart, and one way, that they may fear me for ever, for the good of them, and I will make an everlasting Covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good, but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me."
God, under the New Covenant puts His fear in us for many reasons for our good. And all those who are under the New Covenant never walk away, as some here believe.
Second, before we believe, God gives us a new heart, one that perceives the Truth.
---Mark_V. on 10/13/13


"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom," we have in Psalm 111:10. And I understand that wisdom includes being submissive to God so we are relating with Him now the way we will in Heaven, so that this gets us prepared for how we will be with God and one another for eternity.

So, this fear of the LORD is not just being afraid of God. I consider it is more like how you so appreciate a person and your relationship, that you are very attentive and sensitive with each other, in order to make sure you don't spoil how beautifully wonderful it is to share with each other.
---willie_c: on 10/12/13


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"even God's elect doesn't know who God has chosen."
christian
Then how can you and Mark say you are one of the "elect?"
Ya really don't know huh? Ain't ya just hoping ya are? Well, ya ain't.

"So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." Romans 10:17"
christan

So where is it written that this verse is not for everyone that hears the Word of God? If you hear the word you get faith. That's what the Word says.

If ya are one of the affected elected ya ain't gotta have no faith, huh? Ya are just forced into salvation 'cause your little god is so great...
---Elder on 10/12/13


"Your own understanding of predestination is contrary to God's word. If people had been fixed for hell, why did the Lord preach that people repent & believe the Gospel." Adetunji

Simple, even God's elect doesn't know who God has chosen. It's the duty that Christ has given to His disciples to do and that's how the Father will call His elect out from the world.

Once again, the Gospel is for God's elect, never for the reprobates. "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." Romans 10:17

You think God gave His gift of faith to everyone? You keep dreaming, you're a classic example.
---christan on 10/11/13


Carla: The fear of God is good, it helps a person to have the wisdom of God & run away from evil/ wickedness. It leads to fruitfulness & prosperity on earth, and to God's paradise afterlife. The fear of God also helps one not to fear all other spirits, persons & things in life. It is healthy & increases the peace of people .
---Adetunji on 10/11/13


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