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Which Bible translation do you prefer? And why do you prefer this translation over all the others?

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JamesL - They would not need the blood of bull and goats -

Hebrews 10:4 - For it is not possible that the blood of Bulls and of goats should take away sin ,

( I thought the Blood of animals was symbolic of what Christ was going to do at the Cross ? )

Isaiah 63:11 - Then he remember the days of Old, Moses, and his people, saying ' Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock ? where is he that put his Holy Spirit in him.

( Now Moses had the Holy Spirit in Him - would that not be - Born Again ? - Blogs ran out - pick up some other Time )
---RICHARDC on 10/25/13


There is one true God, yet many false gods. There is one true Church, consisting of true believers in Christ, yet many false churches. So why is it so wrong to teach that there is one true Bible, yet many false "bibles"?
---michael_e on 10/25/13


Richard, the ark is a picture of salvation. has pitch so nothing can come thru walls of ark and God closed the door of the ark so no one can open it. in the old testament, belief in God was counted as righteousness.
---shira4368 on 10/25/13


Christan, careful with calling people a fool. You are ignorant to not know this answer. But you know what Christan, those IN Christ today know the answer to that. You however don't, and I for one am not going to tell you, just so you can spit on the Word of God. It's been discussed here often. If you missed it....that's your loss.

Is that what not throwing your pearls to swine means? Maybe, maybe not, but this I know, maybe the true church should stop feeding truth to the enemies of the Cross.

When you can ask or request further understanding without your viper poison coming out of your mouth at the same time, maybe there would be less anomisoty on line here concerning you.
---kathr4453 on 10/25/13


"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." John 3:5

According to Christ revelation of the entrance to the "kingdom of God" is only through spiritual regeneration, how then are the OT saints going to heaven outside of this?

I wonder how Abel, Noah, Abraham, Moses and the OT saints are going to the "kingdom of God" if according to some fools claim they were not "born of the Spirit".

Do tell......
---christan on 10/25/13




\\The NKJV and other versions have tested to be harder to read and understand than the original KJV.\\

According to whose tests?

The other "omissions" .... complaint is meaningless.
---Cluny on 10/22/13

The "omissions" were not a complaint...they are fact for seeker who questions those who omit.

Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level Indicator test.
Shows the KJV at a 5th grade reading level and others at 8th grade.
The KJV with flaws is easier to read and research, has more research linked to it.
KJV has:
less syllables per word
less letters per word
less words per sentence
smaller percentage of long words
greater percentage of short words than the NKJV, NIV, NASB and NRSV
---Trav on 10/25/13


The last MAN Adam who is Jesus Christ IS that life giving spirit of which you have been born from above. No one is born from above without Jesus Christ RISEN life.

If perhaps Markv understood that the last MAN Adam was not yet in the OT he would understand no one was Born from ABOVE in the OT.

Unless Markv is Mormon who believes Jesus was a man on earth at the time of Adam and Eve.

I do believe much of what Markv teaches and believes is from Mormonism ???that is believing too he preexisted before the foundation of the world.
---kathr4453 on 10/25/13


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---Darlene_1 on 10/25/13


\\ John 3:3 ...Born again... would this not Taken in people of the OT too ? \\
---RICHARDC on 10/24/13

OT people were born again thru Jesus' death. That's why Lazarus and the rich man (Old Testament) went to two different sides of the same place - Hades, the abode of the dead

Sin had not been removed yet, because Jesus did that when He died - cf Heb 10:4, 11

We have been PERFECTED in Christ, Heb 10:14

If saints were born again during the OT, they wouldn't have needed the blood of bulls and goats. Their sins would have already been removed

Why cover that which is removed aready?

Because that is what born again means - WASHED clean
---James_L on 10/24/13


Thank you for your answer Cluny.
After reading about the history of the Bible, it seems as though every belief has tried to make it read as they would like it to read.

Thank God he gave us the Gift of his Holy Spirit, so that with his Spirit, it reads as he has written it.
---David on 10/25/13




RICHARD, Yes, he found grace in God's "eyes", and we see by the remainder of the verses you offered, that his faith was evident in his obedience of building the ark. Without even knowing what rain was, he simply believed God, and took Him at His word.

Grace in the NT is to be saved by HIS life. OT looked forward to the cross, yet did not possess eternal life as a NEW creature like we do today. The blood of bulls and goats could never make one PERFECT, or wash away sin. It only COVERED it until Jesus own blood was shed. Today we are perfect IN Christ , complete IN HIM. And today GRACE is HIS RISEN LIFE IN you.

Galatians 2:20-21, Romans 6-8, Colossians 1-4, Philippians 3, just to name a few.
---kathr4453 on 10/25/13


Anyone indwell by the Spirit is born from above. Old Testament and New Testament. Old Testament believers were saved by the Grace of God through faith. Same as in the New Testament. The Spirit was clearly in Joshua (Numbers 27:18) The Spirit was clearly said to be in Daniel (Daniel 4:8: 5:11-14: 6:3). The Spirit was clearly in John the Baptist.
The New Testament reveals that the Spirit in the prophets gave them discernment and wisdom (1 Peter 1:11).
Second, no one can have faith in the Lord unless God draws them to Himself. For faith is granted to them. He makes them alive while they were yet sinners, dead in trespasses and sins.
---Mark_V. on 10/25/13


For those who think KJV is more accurate than modern versions, there are at least two places in the KJV where the name of Joshua was incorrectly interpreted to Jesus. This is because the Jesus and Joshua are the same name (lesous) in Greek. But when the KJV translators translated it into English, they mistakenly translated it as Jesus although the scriptures are obviously referencing Joshua from the Old Testament. KJV gives the false impression that the verses are talking about Jesus the Christ instead of Joshua. This error (among others) has been corrected in modern translations. The two verses I referenced are Acts 7:45 and Hebrews 4:8.
---Jed on 10/24/13


Kathr - The Kingdom of Heaven - Just a mistake - Like Abode -

Back to Subject at hand:

Genesis 6:8 - But Noah found Grace in the eyes of the Lord,

Hebrews 11:7 - By Faith Noah being warned of things not seen yet , moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house, by which he condemned the world, and became heir of righteousness which is by faith,

{ I Know Born again is not use in OT - But we still have people in OT being saved by Faith as we do in NT - I think Grace is spell different in Old Testament, and meaning might be different, haven't done work on that ! }

---RICHARDC on 10/24/13


RICHARD, no matter what version of any Bible you prefer, ALL VERSIONS says Kingdom of GOD, not Kingdom of Heaven, and no version uses Born from Above in the OT. Those Born from Abode are not under LAW. And Israel was kept under the Law until Jesus died and rose again. No one can be under Law and Grace at the same time. Galatians 2:20-21 make that perfectly clear. OT or New.
---kathr4453 on 10/24/13


\\The NIV says (Mark 16:9-20) wasn't in the earliest manuscripts.\\

That's debatable. It is in early versions (Armenian, Syriac, etc). Don't forget that the "earliest mss" date from the time of the Christological controversies and might have been doctored by the heretics.

FWIW, the Orthodox Church proclaims Mark 16:9ff from the porch of the Church at the Pascha midnight procession, so what does this tell you?

Furthermore, it's one of the 11 Resurrectional Gospels read in turn at Sunday Matins.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/24/13


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Kathr on 10/22 - NT - Spirit in you - OT - Spirit on you:

That why I wrote down - 1 Peter 1:11 - It"s dealing with Prophet"s of OT - And It say's Spirit of Christ was in them,

John 3:3 - ( Say's a man must be Born again to see the Kingdom of Heaven - would this not Taken in people of the OT too ? )

Deuteronomy 30:6 - And the Lord thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed', to love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live,

( Is this being Born from above ? )
---RICHARDC on 10/24/13


it appears christen started the blog off the subject, and has continued in disrespect to keep it off.
---kathr4453 on 10/24/13


The NIV says (Mark 16:9-20) wasn't in the earliest manuscripts.
Has anyone researched this? If so, can you shed some light on this?
---David on 10/24/13


EVERY SAINT that's been saved from time beginning till the last saint, is saved in the same manner.

1. All the saints are God's beloved, just as He loved Jacob, He loves His elect. On the other side of the coin, just as He hated Esau, there are also those whom God also hates and is never going to save them. Bottomline, He doesn't love everyone but only His elect.

2. "But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." In short, Christ never died for Esau or those God hates, but only Jacob and the elect.

3. Only God's elect are saved by grace through faith (in God in the OT) and post NT, the "Word became flesh", Christ.
---christan on 10/24/13


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Cluny, I prefer the KJV. I do have other translations, but I believe the KJV has helped me the most. How's that? we are back to the original question.
---Mark_V. on 10/24/13


Can we get back to the original subject of this blog, which is who prefers which translation and why?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/23/13


Markv, you're babbling again, thinking your cut and paste answer this problem. It doesn't. You are not Jesus in Isaiah 42:1 nor even in person resemble his character. You are not an angel either.

You are a gentile, one who was once without any hope whatsoever, but NOW have been brought near by the Blood of Jesus Christ.

You were a wild branch, grafted into the vine, after some of the branches were broken odd SO that you could be grafted in. So don't be arrogant or high minded thinking more highly of yourself than you aught.

Know your place Markv, and thank God the blessings of ABRAHAM , not Jacob, came your way.
---kathr4453 on 10/23/13


Brother MarkV in Christ, the Arminians cannot get pass this very teaching of Paul in Romans 9. It's really the heart of the Gospel of Jesus as far as who will receive salvation is concerned. It's only through the apostle Paul that God chose to give the revelation of His will and purpose in the salvation of the sinner.

Everything the man ever wanted to know about salvation and destruction of a soul is bundled in Romans 9. Hard as they try to twist and turn what's written, it says what it says.

Simply put, they just can't believe that God has already chosen who He wants to save and destroy. It all boils down to His sovereign grace, and man has not part in deciding this for Him. In all this, ONLY God is glorified 100%.
---christan on 10/23/13


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Kathr, you have no answer so you rant and rave.
The election of God for Jesus is mentioned in (Isaiah 42:1).
Of angels in (1 Tim. 5:21). Of Israel in (Deut. 7:6). Of ministers in (Luke 6:13). of Churches in ( 1 Peter 5:13). Of saints (1 Thess. 1:4,5). It is according to the foreknowledge
"For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren." (Rom. 8:29)
Irrespective of merit:
" For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of Him that calleth" (Rom. 9:11)
Election of grace (Rom. 11:5).
---Mark_V. on 10/23/13


How twisted and deranged can one get with regards to what is taught by Paul, "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated."
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so what christen, how do you know for a fact God doesn't hate you? Judas was also elect, but didn't even know until after he Betrayed Jesus what an awful thing he did.

I sure hope you repent before finding out too late what an awful gospel you teach. May God truly have mercy on you if you are granted perhaps the gift of repentance.

But it is twisted and deranged to believe YOU can claim salvation based on those scriptures. NO ONE has hope in salvation based on those verses.

MY Hope is in Jesus Christ, not Jacob or Esau election or nonelection!!
---kathr4453 on 10/23/13


Stick with the context! Paul didn't even go to Genesis to run rings round the doctrine of election, unlike fools who tries to misinterpret what is being taught in Romans 9. The Word of God is all about salvation, period.

---christan on 10/23/13


EXACTLY, CHRISTAN, PLEASE DO STICK TO The CONTEXT.

So why don't you use Isaac vs Ishmael for the salvation text. scripture clearly says in Isaac will thy seed be called. Like Isaac was SO ARE WE, children of Promise. YET you can't understand even this, so what makes you think you understand Jacob and Esau?
---kathr4453 on 10/23/13


How twisted and deranged can one get with regards to what is taught by Paul, "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated."

And p

Prior to the this in verse 11, Paul explicitly wrote, "For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth" - that Jacob election was UNCONDITIONAL.

Stick with the context! Paul didn't even go to Genesis to run rings round the doctrine of election, unlike fools who tries to misinterpret what is being taught in Romans 9. The Word of God is all about salvation, period.
---christan on 10/23/13


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Gen 25:23 And the Lord said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels, and the one people shall be stronger than the other people, and the elder shall serve the younger.

does STRONGER mean ELECT SAVED?

Gen36:1
Now these are the generations of Esau, who is Edom.


1 Chron 18:13 And he put garrisons in Edom, and all the Edomites became David's servants. Thus the Lord preserved David whithersoever he went.


WOW, that's EXACTLY what God said....the elder will serve the younger.

Rom 9:12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
---kathr4453 on 10/23/13


The 27 books called the "new testament" should be called "The life and times of Jesus the Messiah". and not idolized as "Holy Writ"
---1st_cliff on 10/22/13

Perhaps, you have forgotten what the word Testament means? It means covenant. So the NT means the New Covenant. Jesus initiated the New Covenant himself:

Matt 26:28 "For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins"

Which was foretold here:

Jer 31:31 "Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah"
---Mark_Eaton on 10/23/13


Is Esau the only man God ever hated? Based on actions and descriptions in the Word, here's a list on record:

Adam, Eve, ....

---christan on 10/23/13

WOW, God in His LOVE for Adam and Eve covered them in Animal skins, representing WHAT FOLKS? It represents redemption through the Blood.

Nowhere in all of scripture does it say God hated Adam and Eve.

You really are of your father the devil christen.

---kathr4453 on 10/23/13


"That should have said, **You said those who AGREED with you are "normal people."...**
Cluny, if that was offensive to you, I apologize.
Now to the question
God promised to preserve His words (Psa. 12:6-7, Mat. 24:35).
So is it your belief, that although God promised to preserve His words, He allowed them to be lost in translations?
You say your Bible teaches you the errors in it,(not man or the Holy Spirit) would you please correct the errors and give us a perfect Bible?
---michael_e on 10/23/13


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\\You said that those who disagreed with you are "normal people." It follows that those who disagree with you are NOT normal. And that is NOT a BIG dig at them?\\

That should have said, **You said those who AGREED with you are "normal people."...**

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/22/13


Michael, thank you. So few here know how to admit the truth, as you have. But mistaking me for StrongAxe-that is unforgivable (:
---Warwick on 10/22/13


"As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." Romans 9:13

Is Esau the only man God ever hated? Based on actions and descriptions in the Word, here's a list on record:

Adam, Eve, Caine, the whole world during the great flood (except eight souls were spared), the souls in Sodom & Gomorrah, Pharaoh, Korah, King Saul, Judas, King Herod, Pilate and the list just keeps growing.....

In their delusion that God loves everyone, one just cannot believe that God hates individuals, that's why they're called reprobates.

"even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed." - understand "appointed"? Predestined!
---christan on 10/23/13


Many people try to read and then interpret what they have read in the Bible. Many call this Bible study.
This is the reason we have so much quarrelling in the church today.
Men do not teach what the Holy Spirit has taught them, they teach what they have learned in their study without the Spirit.

We have not been given the Bible to prove that we are right, we have been given the Bible, to show others what we teach, is what the Holy Spirit has taught us.
---David on 10/23/13


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Warwick, my apologies to you, I was referring to Strongaxe.
My mistake
---michael_e on 10/22/13


\\"Where did you get the idea you were normal?"
Cluny, another of your little digs\\

You said that those who disagreed with you are "normal people." It follows that those who disagree with you are NOT normal. And that is NOT a BIG dig at them?

\\God promised to preserve His words (Psa. 12:6-7, Mat. 24:35). More errors?\\

But God did NOT promise to keep TRANSLATIONS of His words. If He did, then ALL translations of the Bible are equally protected, and that undoes your argument that translations since 1611 are suspect.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/22/13


"Where did you get the idea you were normal?"
Cluny, another of your little digs, I would expect nothing less from someone who believes Christ is still on the Cross.
"In any translation, the Bible teaches that mere mortals have never done anything for God and gotten it 100% right."
God promised to preserve His words (Psa. 12:6-7, Mat. 24:35). More errors?
Since your Bible teaches you the errors in it, would you please correct the errors and give us a perfect Bible?
---michael_e on 10/22/13


\\"Jehovah" entirely\\

Did you know that the KJV has "Jehovah" only 4 times--much less than appears in the original Hebrew?
.
\\The NKJV and other versions have tested to be harder to read and understand than the original KJV.\\

According to whose tests?

The other "omissions" depend on just how the sentence is cast, so this complaint is meaningless.

christan, your verses relate to which is your preferred translations just how?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/22/13


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Michael you quoted me as saying "In such a case, there should be no substitute for learning Greek and using only original manuscripts (or as close as one can get)."

I do not remember writing this, nor can I find where I wrote this. Please tell me where?

You wrote "You believe God inspired His holy words in the "originals," but lost them, since no one has a perfect Bible today?" I have not said this, you are putting words in my mouth.

"Why do you think man changing the meaning of words makes the Bible fallible?" I have explained this quite a few times and will not do so again. Go and read what I have written.
---Warwick on 10/22/13


Shira, you wrote "modern versions have changed the meaning of some words that take the deity of Christ" I imagine what you are saying is that -modern versions have changed the meanings of some words that take away from the deity of Christ? If so please be specific and tell us what these words are, and in what versions they appear.
---Warwick on 10/22/13


Christan, put your money where your mouth is and give us a list of names you know for a fact God never loved.

We know God hates sin, but never the sinner. For God so loved the World he gave...., not only for our sin but the sin of the WHOLE world.

His love should be shining through you. YOUR opinion should not.

You must be one appointed to hell, and you know it and want to take as many with you as you can, just like your father.
---kathr4453 on 10/22/13


"The 27 books called the "new testament" should be called "The life and times of Jesus the Messiah". and not idolized as "Holy Writ"" 1stCliff

Did the OT say, "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."? This is from Paul in Romans 10:4, a letter written in the NT - and you think it's not part of the Bible?

No Christian "idolizes" the Holy Bible. All they do is believe that it's 100% God inspired. In short, they worship God in Spirit and Truth according to His written Word.

But then again, we know you don't believe Jesus is God - so what's new in your comments.
---christan on 10/22/13


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( Karthr is this not saying Spirit of Christ was coming on People of OT . - There are other verses that say the Spirit or God was coming on People like David and Staying with Him - Refer 1 Samuel 16:13 )

---RICHARDC on 10/22/13

Richard there is a big difference between the Spirit coming ON people in the OT which would be KINGS Prophets and Priests ONLY, and we see King Saul, the Spirit was ON HIM was taken from him. Yet we know in the NT the Spirit is IN YOU not on you, and once IN YOU it can not be taken from you.

---kathr4453 on 10/22/13


Which Bible translation do you prefer?
---David on 10/20/13

NKJV'ers may not know that:
New King James Version omits the word/name:
"Lord" 66 times.
"God" 51 times.
"Heaven" 50 times.
"Jehovah" entirely

NIV version has 64,098 less words than the King James Bible!
Which is necessary to fulfill copyright laws....changes are required to copyright a new version for $$$$$.
The NKJV and other versions have tested to be harder to read and understand than the original KJV.

Beware of the tares...
Mat_13:25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
---Trav on 10/22/13


The first 39 books that comprise the Old Testament, are the ones Jesus and His apostles made reference to and is really "the bible".
The 27 books called the "new testament" should be called "The life and times of Jesus the Messiah". and not idolized as "Holy Writ"
---1st_cliff on 10/22/13


Satan acted on his own to blind mankind of the Gospel of Jesus Christ? Even after we're told that those who are in unbelief is simply because, "being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed"?

Meaning, created reprobates "fitted for destruction" as declared by Paul. The blinding by satan is merely God's will and purpose for those whom He's not going to save, and that's because He never loved them.

"And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish, because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie." 1 Thessalonians 2:10,11
---christan on 10/22/13


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Karthr - Sorry to Get off topic here - didn't have a chance to get back on another blog - Old Testament were not Born Again -

1 Peter 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time The Spirit of Christ Which Was In Them did signify, when when it testified beforehand suffering of Christ , and the glory that should follow

( Karthr is this not saying Spirit of Christ was coming on People of OT . - There are other verses that say the Spirit or God was coming on People like David and Staying with Him - Refer 1 Samuel 16:13 )
---RICHARDC on 10/22/13


\\"And just who is the "we" who believes this?" Normal people\\

Where did you get the idea you were normal?

\\Cluny you say "Realizing that all Bible translations have faults" Remembering that the Holy Spirit is the greatest Teacher (John 16:12-15, I John 2:27), who taught you that the King James Bible was not infallible, the Holy Spirit or man?\\

The Bible itself (a third option).

In any translation, the Bible teaches that mere mortals have never done anything for God and gotten it 100% right.

Why should the KJV escape from this problem?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/22/13


After spending several weeks researching this subject, I have changed my opinion about which Bible translation I prefer.

Before the research I would have said that I prefer the NASB because of its specificity, correctness, and Strong's numbering which lead to using other tools.

However, after much research I must agree with those that prefer the KJV Authorized Version for the NT and the LXX for the OT. These translations are closest to the original manuscripts and must be considered authoritative.

I must apologize to anyone I attempted to convince that the NASB was the best.

Alas, my only problem now will be finding the funds to purchase new study materials.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/22/13


"And just who is the "we" who believes this?" Normal people
Cluny you say "Realizing that all Bible translations have faults" Remembering that the Holy Spirit is the greatest Teacher (John 16:12-15, I John 2:27), who taught you that the King James Bible was not infallible, the Holy Spirit or man?

Warwick you say "In such a case, there should be no substitute for learning Greek and using only original manuscripts (or as close as one can get)." You believe God inspired His holy words in the "originals," but lost them, since no one has a perfect Bible today? Why do you think man changing the meaning of words makes the Bible fallible?
---michael_e on 10/22/13


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I tend to read the KJV and have since saw the value of the 1911 version since the verses left out in Ruth and other books appear back in the Apocrypha.

It seems a lot of history is uncovered in these additional books and thus the bible seems to make more sense.
---Carla on 10/22/13


I tried to read the KJV earlier in my life, but I was just too ignorant to understand the bible, much less an old English translation.

Some time ago, before being taught through the Holy Spirit, I began reading the NIV. I began to read the bible because the NIV was written in a language I could understand, though I sadly remained ignorant.

But after I was being taught by the Holy Spirit, I couldn't find all of the spirits teachings in the NIV. Then after proudly arguing with a KJV reader one day, that the NIV was the best, I went home and took another look the KJV. And in the KJV, I discovered proof of those teachings, proof I could not find in the NIV.

This is why I read a KJV/NKJV Parallel bible today.
---David on 10/22/13


Karen, king james is responsible for the kjv. with the help of middle easter and others it was translated. the added words in the kjv is in italics. it is the most trusted bible ever. the modern versions have changed the meaning of some words that take the deity of Christ and many words are left out. hell is downplayed in other versions. there is much and you can go online and read for yourself.
---shira4368 on 10/22/13


I believe it is the KJV.
If we do not have a perfect Bible, how can we refer to it as "God's word"?
---michael_e on 10/21/13

In the multiples of scriptural witnesses. If the prophets do not verify a matter or a preaching mans opinion it is not GOD's word.
KJV has errors....but, they are easily uncovered. Whereas the newer versions place one farther from the original intent and concordance/dictionary meanings.
I can read any version but, check/prove by KJV.
The intent of the or any latter translator becomes obvious through the witnesses. GOD reveals what man trys to change.

Isa_28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, there a little:
---Trav on 10/22/13


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Shira4368 Who was King James of the KJV?
---KarenD on 10/21/13


\\Since we believe in the degeneration of man and in the degeneration of the world system in general, ...
---michael_e on 10/21/13\\

And just who is the "we" who believes this, michael_e?

A language is living because it changes. English is a living language.

Following your reasoning, the translators of the KJV were less able to translate than those who produced the Geneva Bible. These were worse translators than the Bishops' Bible, who in turn were worse than the producers of the Great Bible, and so back to Tyndale and Coverdale.

Besides, doesn't the end of Daniel say that in the last days KNOWLEDGE will be greatly increased?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/21/13


michaele:

You said: Since we believe in the degeneration of man and in the degeneration of the world system in general,

Why do you believe this? The Bible doesn't teach it (i.e. it teaches that man is corrupt and imperfect, but NOT that he is continuously getting worse).

But if you DO truly believe this, why do you think 1611 is so good compared to 2011, since there has been four times as much degradation between New Testament times and 1611 as has happened since then? In such a case, there should be no substitute for learning Greek and using only original manuscripts (or as close as one can get).
---StrongAxe on 10/21/13


Elder, regarding John 14:2. I have shown the Greek NT Dictionary defines the Greek 'oikia' to mean 'house' as it is in modern Bibles, and of course the KJV. It appears 35 times e.g. Matthew 5:15,7:25,27, 8:6, and of course John 14:2, always translated house.

Rooms (Greek mone) means "room, dwelling place, abode." The Holman Bible Dictionary p.1075 points out mansion today means "an elaborate, expensive house," but when the KJV was last updated mansion meant "dwelling places or rooms." The NT Greek Dictionary agrees. Therefore mansions in the KJV is now archaic. As you say we must check what the Greek meant when the Scripture was penned. I have done so, the KJV is wrong.
---Warwick on 10/21/13


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\\david, I agree with you. the king james bible was not written by men. God used men but you can bet it is from God.\\

On what objective facts do you base this proposition, shira?

Why do you say this about the KJV, but not about the Geneva Bible, which came earlier?

And which version of the KJV do you think is the God-given one? You've never answered that question. Why?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/21/13


I like the King James because of the beauty of the Language. I like the NKJV because it is close to the KJV. I like the NASB and the Amplified for study purposes. Also the Revised Standard is not bad either.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/21/13


Michael, I do not know whether current Biblical scholars are better equipped to "translate God's word today than in 1611?" But that is not the main point. Word meanings in English have changed considerably since the KJV appeared. The word 'replenish' (Genesis 1:28) has come to mean 'refill' when it originally meant 'fill' which gives a false meaning to this verse. This means the KJV no longer conforms to the Hebrew 'male' (English 'fill') from which it was originally translated. Therefore the KJV needs to be revised to bring its word meanings into line with the Scriptures from which it was originally translated.
---Warwick on 10/21/13


Since we believe in the degeneration of man and in the degeneration of the world system in general, why is it that we are taught education has somehow "evolved" and men are more qualified to translate God's word today than in 1611?
---michael_e on 10/21/13


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I like ESV but have learned a lot from other translation, because it all comes from the Holy Spirit enlighting us with the double edge sword to cut away dead branches and prune fruitful branches to the glory of God.
---Scott1 on 10/21/13


"In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." 2 Corinthians 4:4

---christan on 10/21/13

Praise God Christan finally posted a verse that does not say God made anyone for dishonor, OR that God Himself has purposely blinded anyone eyes.

Thank you Christan. SO the Glorious Gospel preached in the Power of the Holy Spirit is MORE POWERFUL THAN SATAN!!!!

HA HA HA!!!
---kathr4453 on 10/21/13


\\The revised version bibles Are Corrupted. I Truly believe they have been Corrupted by trinity theologians, scholars & philosophers,\\

But the KJV was translated by trinity theologians, scholars & philosophers.

Didn't you know that?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/21/13


"Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory."
Romans 9:21-23

Still can't see? Talk about being blind...... how true the Word of God is.

"In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." 2 Corinthians 4:4
---christan on 10/21/13


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Two plus years ago I was only using the NIV, however, I began using various versions. comparing verses/chapters online where it was easy to type in BCV. I have come to prefer the KJV, and mostly use that now.

Using different versions has been useful in obtaining a fuller understanding as well as identifying discrepencies which might help lead to wrong thinking and or doctrine.

However, any true understanding is of course to the praise and glory of God
---chria9396 on 10/21/13


The K.J.V. Bible.

The revised version bibles Are Corrupted. I Truly believe they have been Corrupted by trinity theologians, scholars & philosophers, trying make God say what He Does Not say, ( it sure makes the devil happy ). I sure Don't read their Lies.
---Lawrence on 10/21/13


david, I agree with you. the king james bible was not written by men. God used men but you can bet it is from God. david don't let cluny discourage you, the fact is cluny has something to say about everything and what ever your view, cluny will come back with a condescending negative answer. there are several on christianet that don't rightly divide and will tell you to get saved if you oppose their view.
---shira4368 on 10/21/13


God promised to preserve His words (Psa. 12:6-7, Mat. 24:35). There has to be a preserved copy of God's pure words somewhere. I believe it is the KJV.
If we do not have a perfect Bible, how can we refer to it as "God's word"?
---michael_e on 10/21/13


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Jesus said, MY kingdom is not of this world, so of coarse earthly humans could not SEE any Kingdom of God.

And we also know flesh and blood cannot enter the Kingdom of God.

Christan spouts off a lot of scripture he has no clue about to begin with.

Ok Christan , tell us what YOU see?

You can't, because only the NEW creature IN Christ can.

There are no such thing as vessels of honor God CREATED. YOUR honour is based on Christ IN you and nothing more. You still claim Christ was IN you before the foundation of the world. That's HERESY.
---kathr4453 on 10/21/13


"Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

It is the spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself, but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you."
John 3:3, 6:63, 16:13,14

Outside of the Spirit of God, no amount of translation is going to save you.
---christan on 10/20/13


"Which Bible translation do you prefer?" The Kings James Version.
"Why do you prefer this translation over all the others?" Because with the aid of the Strong's Concordance I am able to find and define the meaning of each word in the original language in which it was recorded. I also like the fact that added words are italicized and clearly, and immediately identifiable.
---Josef on 10/20/13


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