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What is the meaning of Galatians 1 v 8 ?

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Warwick, you speak like sounds coming from an empty gong. I challenge you to show us where in the Bible that says explicitly "salvation is a free gift which man is free to reject". While you look desperately for this verse, I'll contradict you with what Christ declared with regards to salvation,

"When His disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." Matthew 19:25,26

Do you see where Jesus stopped at with regards to the man's ability to choose? 'WITH MEN THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE"!

And you want us to believe it's possible? Ya, right.
---christan on 11/1/13


Warwick, your the one confused. You say,
"Mark you are confused. That Jesus died for all mankind, as Scripture says, does not mean all are saved.
If He died for everyone, everyone would be saved. He died for those who believe. His death is sufficient to save the whole world, but the whole world does not believe. You say, everyone has a choice to receive or reject Christ. Scripture tells us about the lost,
"There is none who understands, there is none who seek after God" (Rom. 3:11) Jesus says salvation with men is impossible, and you say it's possible for them to choose Christ if they want to. Can a lost person choose Christ when he doesn't love Him? Or when he has no faith in Him? Not possible.
---Mark_V. on 11/1/13


Mark you are confused. That Jesus died for all mankind, as Scripture says, ......
---Warwick on 10/31/13

The skillet is calling the kettle confused.
Isa_44:23 Sing, O ye heavens, for the LORD hath done it: shout, ye lower parts of the earth: break forth into singing, ye mountains, O forest, and every tree therein: for the LORD hath redeemed Jacob, and glorified himself in Israel.
Gal_3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us:
Luk_1:68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel, for he hath visited and redeemed his people,
Isa_62:12 And they shall call them, The holy people, The redeemed of the LORD: and thou shalt be called, Sought out, A city not forsaken.
---Trav on 11/1/13


// markv, paul was a murderer of Christians and God brought him to his knees. so you see you are wrong again//
Very true Shira
---michael_e on 11/1/13


O samuelbb7, what questions or verses did you ask that were not answered? Please, do tell.

About limited atonement and irresistible grace, here's prove from the mouth of Christ in just one verse alone, "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out."

Did the Father give everyone to Christ? You have to say no and that's because multitudes are going to hell. Doesn't it then confirm they were not given by the Father to the Son? Isn't that limited atonement then? For those going to the Son, they're "drawn by the Father". Isn't that making His grace irresistible?

Anymore you want to know but still can't believe?
---christan on 10/31/13




markv, paul was a murderer of Christians and God brought him to his knees. so you see you are wrong again. I don't think hitler was saved either. if he had been, millions of jews would not have died.
---shira4368 on 10/31/13


Mark you are confused. That Jesus died for all mankind, as Scripture says, does not mean all are saved. Those who are saved are those who come to the understanding He died in their place, paying the price for their sins (the wages of sin is death)and willingly confess their sins and ask Jesus for forgiveness, which brings salvation. Forgiveness/salvation is a free gift which man is free to reject. Sadly most do reject His precious gift.
---Warwick on 10/31/13


Christian you challenge us to answer Romans 9 when you fail to answer many challenges to explain scripture that show limited atonement is wrong. That irresistible grace is wrong.

To my understanding GOD knows who will be saved. But the adding that he forces some to be saved and chooses to cause other to be lost and ordains that men sin is wrong. For you are in effect saying that GOD causes men to rape children. As well as every other vile thing on earth is the result of us being puppets who can only do what GOD ordains for us to do.

While you may say I am wrong you fail to explain the many verses pointed out over and over by saying they do not actually mean what they say.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/31/13


christan: "From your first declaration, the"weaker Christian" are not chosen because their "faith isn't strong", right? What a sick and hopeless gospel you spew!"

Read Romans chapter 12, paying close attention to verses 3-8. "...according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith." But, of course, read the entire chapter.
---Steveng on 10/31/13


Christian, steven is correct. there are seasoned Christians and many still drinking milk. some are strong and some are weak.
---shira4368 on 10/31/13




Some focus upon error while it is better to focus upon the truth.
---Warwick on 10/25/13

There is no truth connected to your errors.
Truth and Error have nothing in common. Your correct in that your donuts/truths have holes in them. Holes that satisfy no appetite.

Isa_10:17 And the light of Israel shall be for a fire, and his Holy One for a flame: and it shall burn and devour his thorns and his briers in one day,

Joh_1:5 And the light shineth in darkness, and the darkness comprehended it not.
---Trav on 10/31/13


Steveng, it was you who specifically wrote, "God will choose those whose faith is strong", no one else wrote that but you. Then you say, "There are christians who are weak and there are christians who are strong in the faith."

From your first declaration, the"weaker Christian" are not chosen because their "faith isn't strong", right? What a sick and hopeless gospel you spew!

What other task does a Christian have but to "go forth and preach the Gospel" as instructed by Christ?.

Christians are told by Paul, "Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him that loved us." Romans 8:37
---christan on 10/31/13


"markv and Christian are the big loosers in their belief that God favors some above others. it is totally insane." Shira4368

O please don't shoot the messengers. If we're declared insane by you and your cohort, then Paul I'm sure that according to your assessment of MarkV and myself, must also be in the same basket.

Please, I await your understanding of Romans 9 and that we have perverted the teachings of the apostle Paul of God's love and hate in an individual. Go ahead, I challenge you to tell us what it really means to you of Romans 9.

All you do is get emotional without any Scriptural backings to your understanding of the Word and you accuse us of being insane? Need I say more about who's insane?
---christan on 10/31/13


Shira, I am glad Christ did not die for everyone. Because if He did, those in hell will get punish even though Christ paid for their sins also, if He died for all men.
But He died for those who will believe by faith, and those who already believe by faith. He did not die to redeem those without faith in Christ. "All men" does not mean every single person in the world. Then He died for Hitler, and all the other murderers. Jesus did not die for them.
---Mark_V. on 10/31/13


kathr, Im pleased you know Christ died for everyone. not many of us left to carry the good news. markv and Christian are the big loosers in their belief that God favors some above others. it is totally insane.
---shira4368 on 10/30/13


1Pe 4:3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:

Saul lead many Christian to death. Yet GOD loved him. You ignore the Part as pointed out earlier they did this to themselves. But you MarkV go above and beyond this. You say those who do not believe as you do are also hated by GOD. Now in the Bible are list of those who will go to hell and in Matthew 25 are people who think they are Christian but who will go to hell. But I do not see that your demand we believe as you in any of those lists.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/30/13


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christan: "So your claim, "God will choose those whose faith is strong"" wreaks of works. That means the man has to do something in order for God to choose him for salvation."

You and Mark V have something in common, you both twist posts and bible verses, and take things out of context to suit your needs.

There are christians who are weak and there are christians who are strong in the faith. God chooses those with strong faith to do His will and be in charge of much. Read the Parable of the Talents, Matthew 25:13-30. If you owned a business would you have someone take care of business having weak management skills or strong management skills? God will not choose a weak christian for a certain task.
---Steveng on 10/30/13


I tried sharing the message of Gods irresistible grace, but it seems that some people are able to resist it. Calvin would suggest that Gods grace must not be given to those people.
They will be the recipients of Gods wrath. After all, someone has to take it since it was all according to Gods will.
I tried to encourage the preaching of the cross to dying souls in dangerous lands, but the young Calvinist reminded me that if they were truly part of the elect God would give them saving faith.
As for the rest, well, there are some people God just hates. Like Esau, OR NOT
---michael_e on 10/30/13


"And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, ---(Rom. 1:2,29). God did that. Gave them a debased mind so they could be all those things.
---Mark_V. on 10/30/13


markv has distorted Romans 1 & 2. They seared their own conscience. "THEY" did not like retaining God in their conscience. So we see man was not automatically born with a seared conscience. the burden here is put on man, not God.

Yes God gave "them up", as we see the flood took them all but 8 souls.

But that was THEM, not us. God did not give US up, if He did even MarkV would be given up too.
---kathr4453 on 10/30/13


Samuel 2: you suggest because of God's love He wants to save all, yet we are told in Scripture about the wrath of God on all those who do not glorify Him as God are give thanks to Him. Those without Christ,
"And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, (listen to this) "to do those things which are not fitting," being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness, full of envy, murder, stife, deceit, evil mindedness..." (Rom. 1:28,29).
God did all that to them. So they could do all those things. He was not willing any of those come to Christ for sure. Who are this people? The lost without Christ.
---Mark_V. on 10/30/13


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This is the system created by Calvins election. A system that is without hope to the predestined sinner, without grace to those who need it most, without personal responsibility to the saint, and without the preaching of the cross for salvation.
Election is a Bible doctrine. Calvinism is not.
Biblical election concerns God choosing Christ to die for the sins responsible to mans account. God chose to create man. Man chose to reject God. God chose to die for man. It is now mans responsibility to choose.

---michael_e on 10/29/13

EXCELLENT Michael_e! AMEN!
---kathr4453 on 10/30/13


Samuel, if God doesn't want anyone to be lost, and lost people have the ability to make a choice for Christ, why does this passage say,
"And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do the things which are not fitting" being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness, full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil mindedness" (Rom. 1:2,29). God did that. Gave them a debased mind so they could be all those things. It was God, who you say loves everyone and is not willing any to perish. What about those? Murderers, and slanderers. In reality, God is not willing that those ever come to Christ.
---Mark_V. on 10/30/13


Samuel, you say,
" Predestination does not teach GOD is love."

You say your saved, so my question to you is:
If God predestined you to be saved, because He knew all men would be found guilty for rebelling against Him, heading to hell, why is that not love?
God loved you so much He wanted to saved you. Nothing can change a man that has been found guilty waiting for the sentencing.
"But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loves "us" (believers) even when we were dead in trespasses, made "us" (believers) alive together with Christ, by grace you have been saved), (Eph. 2:4,5).
It does not say if you want to. You were dead to God, guilty.
---Mark_V. on 10/30/13


steveng, "And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work." Romans 11:6

So your claim, "God will choose those whose faith is strong"" wreaks of works. That means the man has to do something in order for God to choose him for salvation.

Know this of salvation as it is written, "For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth" Romans 9:11

So your understanding of salvation through the verses you gave is nothing short of being erroneous.
---christan on 10/29/13


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Samuelbb7, know what is a delusion and confusion? Here, hot from your oven:

you say, "Yes this verse says we have to be drawn to JESUS." Christ explicitly declared so in John 6:44. No brainer.

then, "Which when JESUS was lifted up on the cross he drew everyone." Everyone of mankind? Or only those the Father gave to Him?

finally, "John 3. So this verse fits right in with the doctrine of Free Will." How? "Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." John 1:13

See John saying being born of the Spirit is by the will of man? If you say yes, you're definitely blind.
---christan on 10/29/13


michael_e, your description isn't even close to what salvation by grace is all about, and you most definitely have zero understanding of what hope is even about. And both grace and hope go hand in hand in the salvation of the sinner.

Freewillers base their hope of salvation upon themselves - that's because they believe that it's up to the sinner to decide if he wants to be saved, not God. And that's salvation by grace to freewillers? Seriously? Have you read the Bible of late?

Ask yourself this basic question of the account of Paul's salvation. Was Paul running to Christ to be saved while on his way to Damascus? Or was he busy killing Christians? Did Paul choose Christ or was it the other way round?
---christan on 10/29/13


christan: "Here, John 15:16, Christ explicitly told His disciples..."

Where's the part that says, "God will choose those whose faith is strong

1 Samuel 2:35
1 Samuel 22:14
Nehemiah 7:2
Psalm 31:23
Proverbs 13:17
Proverbs 20:6
Lamentations 3:23
Matthew 6:30
Matthew 8:10
Matthew 8:26
Matthew 9:22
Matthew 14:31
Matthew 17:20
Matthew 21:21
Matthew 25:21
Acts 6:8
Acts 11:24
Romans 4:19
Romans 12:6
Romans 14:1
2 Corinthians 10:15
2 Thessalonians 1:3
2 Thessalonians 1:11
Hebrews 3:2
Hebrews 11 entire chapter
James 2 entire chapter

How strong is your faith?

Matthew 9:29
---Steveng on 10/29/13


Samuel, you are right in your post but you failed to say how a person comes under conviction thru preaching, praying and being a witness for Christ. romans 10:14 tells it like it is.
---shira4368 on 10/29/13


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This is the system created by Calvins election. A system that is without hope to the predestined sinner, without grace to those who need it most, without personal responsibility to the saint, and without the preaching of the cross for salvation.
Election is a Bible doctrine. Calvinism is not.
Biblical election concerns God choosing Christ to die for the sins responsible to mans account. God chose to create man. Man chose to reject God. God chose to die for man. It is now mans responsibility to choose.
---michael_e on 10/29/13


"No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father." John 6:44,65

Yes this verse says we have to be drawn to JESUS. Which when JESUS was lifted up on the cross he drew everyone.

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

The HOLY SPIRIT has to make us Born Again. John 3. So this verse fits right in with the doctrine of Free Will. Which is also a gift of GOD available to all people. So how does saying yes to gifts equal a work?
---Samuelbb7 on 10/29/13


Cluny, and your freewill doctrine of the man to go to Christ on his own is a sound doctrine according to you? Seriously? Even after Christ explicitly declared,

"No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father." John 6:44,65

If you have nothing to say with regards to the verses that's been put before your eyes and you're being challenged with them, then maybe you should just sit back and be quiet for once.

Is that sound enough for you?
---christan on 10/29/13


\\Ruben, why are you so blind to the verse that's presented to you and choose only what you want to see or believe? \\

I've frequently wondered something similar about you, christan.

Why are you so blind when sound doctrine is presented to you, and you choose only what you want to see or believe?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/28/13


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steveng, where on earth did you get this concept of "election" from? Definitely not from the Bible, I assure you! That's because He contradicts your message as nothing but a big fat lie.

Here, John 15:16, Christ explicitly told His disciples - "Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you."

Where's the part that says, "God will choose those whose faith is strong"??? If your faith is that strong as you claim, then your election is based on something you have to do, and that's definitely not grace.
---christan on 10/28/13


Ruben, why are you so blind to the verse that's presented to you and choose only what you want to see or believe? Here, please read again -

"And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to His purpose." Romans 8:28

It says explicitly that those who love God is because to begin with, it was His purpose that they will love Him. Not because they chose to love Him as Arminians believe.

Your Arminian doctrine teaches that God chooses you because you love Him. The apostle John contradicts you, "Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us... We love him, because He first loved us" 1 John 4:10,19
---christan on 10/28/13


amen Darlene. I knew too. I didn't have to wonder if I was saved or not, I knew I was. wow, what a wonderful experience. I know being saved is by faith in Jesus Christ but you know If I can't feel it, I don't need it.
---shira4368 on 10/28/13


"But the sinner has to play his part in God's salavation plan" Ruben

"play your part", what part? You're declared by God, "DEAD in trespass and sins".

- How's a DEAD man play his part?
- Was Lazarus seeking to be raised from the dead when Christ came calling? He was DEAD!!!

You quote John 3:3 to support your claim you have to play your part. How absurd and deluded you are to the Truth. Where did Christ teach that you can command the Spirit to give you life while you're DEAD?

"it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth" Romans 1:16 - where's your part? Where?
---christan on 10/28/13


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Mark_V.: "We have to believe by faith before we turn to Christ."

What about the godly people in scripture who say they were chosen at birth?

As for God choosing people:

There is a difference between "chosen by God" and "chosen by God." There is a huge misconception that God chooses one to be a christian. God will take whomever asks or answers the knock at the door. God says he will choose certain people, depending on the strength of their faith, to do the will of the Father. In other words, God will choose those whose faith is strong to a leading position.
---Steveng on 10/28/13


Even as a young child I already knew what a move of God in church was like,therefore when God drew me to Him when I was eleven I knew without a doubt it was God and why He was touching me like that. He not only touched my heart but my entire being to draw me to Him and that old fashioned wooden altar where I knelt and ask forgiveness of sins and gave my life to God. I was pricked in my heart with sorrow over my sin and my life changed forever. I was no longer me centered but then I became God centered. I think God sees the ones who will be obedient and they are the ones He calls.
---Darlene_1 on 10/28/13


christan * " work together for good to them that love God,


The above verse tell us those who love Love God he calls and who are they:

"Everyone who listens and learns from the Father comes to me"(JHN 6:45)

christan : and whom he justified, them he also glorified." Romans 8:28-30

Yes God knows all, but when do we get glorified? When we get to heaven, thus why Jesus says:

"Those who endure till the end will be save"

christan * It's never up to the sinner to be saved

But the sinner has to play his part in God's salavation plan:

"" I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of heaven unless he is born of water and spirit"(JHN 3:5)
---Ruben on 10/28/13


Now Christian teaches that GOD calls some and does not call others. It is written.

2Cr 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

GOD can call all men and let them choose to be saved or not. That is not impossible for GOD.

1Ti 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
I have to make all scriptures align to find the truth. I cannot take one scripture and then say all others must align to my understanding of this scripture. Predestination does not teach GOD is love.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/28/13


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christan, you quoted sanctification scripture not justification scripture. The question was was about our justification not sanctification.

Do you know the difference between the two? Of coarse ALL sanctification scriptures are to those already Justified.
---kathr4453 on 10/28/13


Ref. Acts 15, Gal 1 & 2
Takes place years after the Cross, Peter and Cornelius, and Paul's salvation.
Acts 15:1 "And certain men which came down from Judaea ( Jerusalem assembly) taught the brethren, and said, (speaking to Paul's converts) `Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.'" Very plain.
Acts 15:5 "But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, ( these people believed like the Twelve that Jesus was the Messiah) saying, `That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.'"
These people were trying to pervert Paul's Gospel. And not just suggesting that they keep the Law of Moses, they commanded them to do it.
---michael_e on 10/28/13


God calls all men to come to him and accept Him but so many either don't listen or have hardened their hearts over the years that they just don't feel or hear the tiny tug or whisper of the Spirit. I think this verse, as all verses must be taken in context of the whole Bible Both Old and New, we today tend to down play the Old Testament as not relevant but it is one of the best teaching tools we can have.
---Merrilee on 10/28/13


"And how does the Father draws someone?" Ruben

"And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to His purpose." - an explicit declaration of God's election is expounded. What's the purpose?

Answer: "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified." Romans 8:28-30

It's never up to the sinner to be saved but it's the work of God 100% that the sinner is saved.
---christan on 10/28/13


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Where is any scripture where God changes your heart first before you can believe.

It's the BLOOD of Jesus that cleanses and purges our conscience, leading to a new Heart. He is saying the Blood of Christ was already applied BEFORE you were even saved.

So according to MarkV, being JUSTIFIED by His Blood,...(justification by Faith) states he first did not himself have faith in His Blood! WRONG!
---kathr4453 on 10/28/13


Romans 3:25
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God,

Markv boasts that God GAVE him the gift of faith, but has never once said what his faith was in.

According to markv, the GIFT should not be faith, but the power of His Blood activated before ever putting faith in His Blood.

Our CONSCIENCES AKA Heart is not purged by the Holy Spirit all by the Holy Spirit's self.

The SPIRIT and BLOOD and WATER aka WORD are ONE!
---kathr4453 on 10/28/13


Shira, you say,
"I too am saved by grace but how did YOU get grace if God didn't speak to your heart. I know you will answer with another question."
God does not speak to our hearts while we are lost. Second, God did not speak to my heart. He changes hearts as He did mine. Together with the changing of hearts He gives us eyes to see and ears to hear His written Word and understand it.

Concerning making choices on the other blog. Of course we make choices, but while lost never for Christ. "There is none who seeks after God" (Rom. 3:11). We have to believe by faith before we turn to Christ. And that happens when God draws us to Himself makes us spiritually alive together with Christ.
---Mark_V. on 10/28/13


"All that the Father giveth me shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. And He said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father." John 6:37,44,65

That's how MarkV was able to seek after God, most definitely not because of "his freewill". And he will tell you explicitly, there's no such a thing as a freewill of man but only of God.
---christan on 10/26/13

And how does the Father draws someone?
---Ruben on 10/27/13


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Mark_V.: "Shira, I was saved by the Grace of God through faith. How many times do you want me to explain salvation?"

That's not what Shira was asking. Faith comes from hearing the gospel or from some sort of healing miracle. Faith is built upon hearing more of the gospel. But before the hearing and before the healing one is a sinner. So one hears the gospel and either accepts it or rejects it, it's his choise.

Now if one accepts the gospel how does one go from sinner to saved if God does not hear sinners in the first place as you say?
---Steveng on 10/27/13


Mark_V. * Read the New Covenant, and you will find out that it is all the work of God. There is nothing there whether man wants it or not. He even puts His fear in our hearts so that we never depart from Him.

Why would he need to fear you if you can not leave anyway


Mark_V. * Yet many here say they can depart if they want to. Again shear nonsense.

Scriptures gives many examples of people leaving or refusing to come:

"From this time many of his disciples(Jesus) turned back and no longer followed him" (JHN 6:66)

"Father(GOD) give me my share of the estate...he set off for a discount country" (LK 15:11-13)

"Yet you refuse to come to me to have life" (JHN 5:40)
---Ruben on 10/27/13


markv, I was responding to your belief that God does not speak to the sinner. I simply ask you how you got saved if God didn't speak to your heart. then you tell me you were saved by grace. I too am saved by grace but how did YOU get grace if God didn't speak to your heart. I know you will answer with another question.
---shira4368 on 10/27/13


Shira, you now want to know:
"markv, if no one seeketh after God, how did you become saved?"

Shira, I was saved by the Grace of God through faith. How many times do you want me to explain salvation?
When I received faith in Jesus Christ, I knew God had changed my heart. If He not drawn me to Himself, I would still be lost. He did it all.
Read the New Covenant, and you will find out that it is all the work of God. There is nothing there whether man wants it or not. He even puts His fear in our hearts so that we never depart from Him. Yet many here say they can depart if they want to. Again shear nonsense.
Their salvation is all of man, whether to come to Christ or leave Christ if they want to.
---Mark_V. on 10/27/13


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Let him be condemned to eternal punishment who teaches another gospel.
---Steveng on 10/26/13


"if no one seeketh after God, how did you become saved?" shira4368

Answer to your question:

"All that the Father giveth me shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. And He said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father." John 6:37,44,65

That's how MarkV was able to seek after God, most definitely not because of "his freewill". And he will tell you explicitly, there's no such a thing as a freewill of man but only of God.
---christan on 10/26/13


markv, if no one seeketh after God, how did you become saved?
---shira4368 on 10/26/13


Galatians 1:8 says, "But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed."

This means there is only one gospel, how Jesus died for our sins, and rose on the third day, and was seen by chosen witnesses. It means to trust in Jesus for salvation > Ephesians 1:12.

And it means, I think, that Paul wanted the Galatians to examine whoever preached to them . . . to make sure they were being told the right thing. They even were expected to not take for granted that Paul was telling them what was right.

Paul is saying, then, that no one has authority to change the gospel message.
---willie_c: on 10/26/13


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Kathr, you read (Ehp. 3:3-6)and I put the Word of God down for you and rejected it. Said it was not the mystery Paul was talking about.
I suppose the book of Ephesians should just be thrown out also. It has no truth you say. Only what you say is Truth.
I write it down for you, and you just do not understand. Here is why:
There is none who understands,
There is none who seeks after God"
(Rom. 3:11).
When will you understand? No one knows.
---Mark_V. on 10/26/13


To understand verse 8 we need to read verses 6 and 7.

Gal1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal1:7 Which is not another, but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Salvation is by grace, not by our works.
Accursed: excommunicated / excluded.
---trey on 10/25/13


O great fool, know and understand -

"Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
John 3:3,5

Do not make light of spiritual regeneration whatsoever. Christ here was talking to a Pharisee (a Jew!) with regards to salvation.

No spiritual regeneration, no salvation, period.
---christan on 10/25/13


As you travel through life, keep it as your goal to keep your eye upon the donut, and not upon the hole.

Some focus upon error while it is better to focus upon the truth.

"Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honourable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things" Philippians 4:8.
---Warwick on 10/25/13


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That Gentiles would be saved is/ was no mystery, as God told Abraham all the way back in the OT, in thee all families of the earth will be blessed.

Markv simply does not understand Christ in you the hope of GLORY, making both Jew and gentile one NEW man in Christ.

Colossians 1:24-27 clearly tell us WHAT the mystery is....CHRIST in you.

And if Gentiles being saved was a mystery kept secret until Jesus Christ rose from the dead! why do you insist Gentiles were born Again in the OT?

Markv, you simply cannot keep up with your own confused understanding, continually contradicting yourself from one blog to the next.
---kathr4453 on 10/25/13


I do not believe we should focus upon errors which have been taught, .....
---Warwick on 10/24/13

I believe we should focus upon any errrrrors preachers promote.
WE see many errors promoted by such. I agree with Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

1Jn_4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us, he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
Jud_1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
---Trav on 10/25/13


I do not believe we should focus upon errors which have been taught, .....
---Warwick on 10/24/13

I believe we should focus upon any errrrrors preachers promote.
WE see many errors promoted by such. I agree with Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

1Jn_4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us, he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
Jud_1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
---Trav on 10/25/13


Kathr, you claim:
"Dianne, the gospel ACCORDING to the MYSTERY is what Paul is talking about. The Mystery of CHRIST IN you. This is explained in Colossians 1 24-27" Which is not true at all. The Mystery Paul was talking about was
explained in (Eph. 3:3-6). This was the mystery,
"By which, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ, which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets, that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel..."
---Mark_V. on 10/25/13


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Dianne, the gospel ACCORDING to the MYSTERY is what Paul is talking about. The Mystery of CHRIST IN you. This is explained in Colossians 1 24-27. It has to do with a HEAVENLY calling, not the earthly kingdom that the Judiazers were bringing into Galatia. In the earthly kingdom, Gentiles will be in submission to Jews and the kingdom law, or law. That's why these Judiazers were insisting Gentiles be Circumsized.

The HEAVENLY calling of the CHURCH requires no such thing, as all, both Jew and gentile are in submission to Jesus the HEAD of the church, where there is no distinction between Jew or gentile! since we are now a NEW CREATURE IN Christ .
---kathr4453 on 10/25/13


I do not believe we should focus upon errors which have been taught, as the human desire for error knows no bounds, but upon the truth of God's word. "For a time is coming when people will no longer listen to sound and wholesome teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look for teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear. and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths." And they still do. If we follow the teachings of Jesus and of the apostles, including of course Paul, we will not go wrong. They teach us we are the product of the fall, are sinners and can only be made right with God via His Grace, through the finished work of Jesus Christ our Redeemer.
---Warwick on 10/24/13


The INCIDENT AT ANTIOCH (look up at Wikipedia) was about the final decision of the Council (in Acts) that the disciples/students of Jesus should be CHRISTIANS (the word "Christianity" is not in scripture).

Acts 11:26 (2nd half) "the disciples were FIRST CALLED CHRISTIANS".

Acts 9:2 "THE WAY"...John 14:6 "I am THE WAY...".

I AM WHO I AM sent Jesus. We were taught ERROR....of course THE GOSPEL/"DOCTRINE of Christ" is true, but we have been taught many false worship habits/requirements. We need to offer Him "ACCEPTABLE" worship so that we won't be "sons of perdition". So, that OTHER GOSPEL is what the Judaizer Jews wanted "CIRCUMCISION"/Mosaic law.
---faithforfaith on 10/24/13


This a good question. What other gospel was being taught to the Nations at that time? Could it be the gospel of the kingdom that Jesus taught? Matt 24:14, Matt 4:23 or the gospel that Jesus sent His disciples to teach in Matt 28:18-20?

Jesus taught the gospel of the kingdom. Paul taught the gospel of grace. The gospel that Jesus taught was the everlasting gospel (Rev 14:6), the same one that God tried to teach Israel but they refused to learn and so He took it away from them. Matt 21:42-44.
---barb on 10/24/13


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"What the false teachers were doing was not rejecting Paul's gospel but adding to it therefore to blurr the reason between salvation to do good works and salvation by good works."
Thank you Scott
---michael_e on 10/24/13


Beginning with Apostle Peter. God gave to the Apostle Peter & Acts 2 v 38 & delivered to the Jewish people First on the day of Pentecost. All the Apostles taught The Very Same. God is Not double minded, He gave to Apostle Peter Acts 2 v 38, God did Not give the other Apostles other diff to preach.
Again they All taught The Very Same.

An angel from heaven, satan is an fallen angel. 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14 - 15 angel of deceiving light with his ministers, he Is the author & gave to man, the first pope the deceiving trinity teachings Rev. 17 v's 4 - 6, satan also the author of gods buddha - hindu - mohammed etc, & those that worship such.
---Lawrence on 10/24/13


"What the false teachers were doing was not rejecting Paul's gospel but adding to it therefore to blurr the reason between salvation to do good works and salvation by good works." Scott1

And yours is a perfect example of what Paul's warning about in Galatians 1:8. Good works is never an issue as far as salvation is concerned. If you're saved by grace, God has already prepared the good works for you to do (confirmed in Ephesians 2:10). It's proof of one's salvation. Never to be use to boast as it's from God.

The Gospel of Jesus Christ is "Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ." Acts 20:21
---christan on 10/24/13


Paul says: Gal:6 "I marvel (I can't comprehend) that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:"
(Gal 1:7) But not really another gospel, a perversion. They had turned from Paul's Gospel (1Cor 15:1-4) and were believing the Judaisers that, they have add Law to Grace. We're not under legalism, we're under Grace. Grace is there's nothing we can do to merit favor with God. The only thing that we can do is BELIEVE!
II Tim 2:15 "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."
Know what is Law and what is Grace, and the only way you will ever be able to do that is study
---michael_e on 10/24/13


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What other Gospel are we trying to preach here. The gospel of pokemon? No We all have a revelation, We all love God and we all love Jesus, What we share is the revelation we see about Jesus. Some see more, some see less that is not a different Gospel. Our goal is to see more not less.
---Bryan on 10/24/13


The towns in Galatia (modern day turkey) were under false doctrine attack that said salvation was belief in Christ and strict following of the Law. What the false teachers were doing was not rejecting Paul's gospel but adding to it therefore to blurr the reason between salvation to do good works and salvation by good works. In verse 8 Paul is encouraging them to test every message against the gospel that he shared with them orginally even if it were to come from him or sarcastically an angel. Emphasis being in a heirarchy structure if you test all messages from an angelor friend you will test all messages from a stranger.
---Scott1 on 10/24/13


Diane, as I see it this verse says there is only one gospel, as summed up in Romans 5: 12, 14, 6:23, 1 Corinthians 15: 21, 22, 45-48.

1 Corinthians 15:21,22 "For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. For as in Adam all die, so in Christ will all be made alive." And praise God for this good news.
---Warwick on 10/23/13


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