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Christians All Of One Mind

It is written that all Christians be of one mind. But where is one mind when Satan has infiltrated and divided Christendom up into tens of thousands of denominations each having their own rituals, traditions, ways of living and interpretations of the bible?

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Shira, for your information, you will not find anywhere in the Bible where it says God gave man a free will. Do you know why? The writers of Scripture know what free will means, and also knew that no man had a will that is free. If they had put down free will, it would have contradicted half of Scripture that mentions the fall of man. Dead in trespasses and sin. The state in which all the unsaved find themselves in.
---Mark_V. on 11/15/13


God Bless you Warwick. I also appreciate your posts, and know from what you post, you Love The Lord and others.

You have so many great things to teach and I will say, I have learned a lot from you.

You're a real gentleman Warwick.

K
---kathr4453 on 11/15/13


the word "freewill" is not in the bible but the fact Christ died for the whole world says something else. the word "rapture" isn't in the bible either but someday...real soon....we will be caught up in the air to forever be with the Lord.
---shira4368 on 11/14/13


Warwick, you have said a whole lot and I have never been evasive. To this day you have not shown me one passage, where God said He gave us a will that is free. Not one. Elder said he had 15 passages, but if you read the whole Bible there is not one. Zero. You know why?
Because all humans when they make a choice there is always a cause for making that choice.
To make a free will choice is to make a choice without a cause or reason, and no one makes choices without a cause or reason.
When you answer here, you make a choice to answer, and your answer will be for God or for the enemy. If your will was free, you would have no cause for answering.
---Mark_V. on 11/14/13


Mark your unwillingness to be honest is annoying. Therefore if I have expressed anger towards you (but I don't know where) it is I suppose a result of your evasiveness. You make a claim, I give Scripture in opposition, you ignore the Scripture then later claim I have not given it. This is deceit Mark, and to say so is not a demonstration of anger but simply a statement of reality.

I have learned a lot here, and others have said they have learned from me. But communicating with you is pointless. I will not be doing it again.
---Warwick on 11/14/13




Kath, I truly appreciate that which you write. You are a breath of fresh air from God amongst so much nonsense written here. I also appreciate the clarity, and Biblical reality with which you write. I am confident God also appreciates you.

God bless.
---Warwick on 11/14/13


What scripture supports this bait and switch nonsense that the "WILL OF MAN" has anything to do with faith or salvation to begin with...depraved or not?

We are not saved by our WILL, depraved or perfect.

And faith had nothing whatsoever to do with a man's WILL.

Example, when Moses parted the sea, his "will" had nothing to do with his FAITH.

He didn't WILL the sea to part, he simply lifted the rod as God said and GOD parted the sea. You can't "REASON that with your intellect, personality,or conscience. All you have to do is be "conscious" and breathing. So your idea of being "dead" does not mean taking some dirt nap. And no one believes Moses himself parted the sea.
---kathr4453 on 11/14/13


More lies from MarkV again. Four big ones in a row.

1. Mark has been given the verses on the freewill of man time and again and claims there are none. Yet he uses words that are not in the Bible. OK for him, I guess, because he is MarkV.

2. Mark speaks from "his heart." Then he states the heart is wicked but I guess he thinks his is not. He proves it is.

3. He said he thought I was a "good man." Then he says there are none good. I guess he means those who disagree with him are no good.

4. He defines "freewill" as freedom from God. Just because he is free from God I guess he thinks everyone wants to be.
---Elder on 11/14/13


Warwick, first of all what Scripture have you given that supports man's free will? None. Zero. Second, you can take my words wrong all you like. It is your heart that speaks. My conscience is subjected to God. I do not look for faults in your spelling or if you are speaking for the Word of God. You do what you like. You do not have to answer to me at all. Like Elder, at first I thought he was good man, interested on the God of the Bible, but like him, and others, you get angry with me, when I present the Word of God which is very clear. You think your battle is with me, but you are wrong, what you are really doing is looking for freedom from God.
Because that is what the definition of free will means.
---Mark_V. on 11/14/13


I believe the first thing that needs to be addresses is "was Adam SPIRITUAL" to begin with? According to 1corinthians 15, no he was not.

When we are BORN AGAIN, it doesn't mean "again" as in a second spiritual birth. If God's Spirit was in Adam1 , they are saying God's Spirit died.

They believe the "re-birth"( that's what THEY call it) is a "rebirth" of man's spirit, and not God's Spirit put in us.

Being Born from Above or Born of God is NOT a rebirth of man's spirit they claimed died.

Adam1 was NEVER to begin with, Born of God, as we are today. He was made out of the dust of the earth....EARTHLY, NOT HEAVENLY, as 1st Cor15 clearly state.
---kathr4453 on 11/14/13




Mark, "I speak for God" could mean anything. If you believe what you speak/write comes directly from God to you to us then I believe you are fooling yourself. If you mean you speak up in God's defence then that is a different thing and many here would agree with you as they are doing the same thing.

If you do not care how to spell, or use the correct words, you are saying you do not care about effective communication.

I think I have taken my dialogue far enough with you because you never consider any Scripture which contradicts your beliefs.

All the best.
---Warwick on 11/13/13


"The only way he can do what God wants, is for God to make him spiritually alive. For "you can do nothing without God."
---Mark_V. on 11/12/13

In that case, God asks: "Wash you, make you clean, put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes, cease to do evil,
Learn to do well, seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.", Isaiah 1

Show where God made them spiritually alive when Of those he asked he had just said, "Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the LORD, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone away backward.
---Nana on 11/13/13


Warwick, I really don't care how you spell or how you live or who you are, for it is not about you are me but about the Truth of Scripture. Here it was you who misrepresent me when you un-righteously judged me wrong and made sure everyone heard you. You made a mountain out of nothing all because I said, "I speak for God" I sure was not speaking for you or me. You saw what was happening on the other blog so something inside your heart told you to take a hit on me. By trying to discredit me, you compromised the Truth of God because that is what the battle is about, God or man. But you can do what you want. I do not answer to God for you. Speak what is in your heart. Let it out.
---Mark_V. on 11/13/13


Mark, yes you do misrepresent what people write, as I clearly showed.

BTW the word is not "your" but you're (a contraction of you are). If I misspell words please let me know.

All the dead were once alive, many having the opportunity to respond to Gods word. Those without His word have (like the rest of us) been given a conscience. They, like you and me, will one day be judged by what they knew and what they did with it.

Now for the other 6 billion souls, they are alive and He died for them all, as I have shown from Scripture. And all have the opportunity to repent and be forgiven.
---Warwick on 11/12/13


Warwick, you think your wise concerning the Bible, so you say,
"Mark, you just cannot help yourself, you continually misrepresent what people write." do I? You say:
"All we can do is come, and "He is faithful to forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness" 1 John 1:9 Our coming to Christ for forgiveness does not save us but means we avail ourselves of His promise, which is all His work."

How can a dead person ask God for anything? He is spiritually separated from God by God. A dead person does not breath, he is spiritually dead in trespasses and sins. The only way he can do what God wants, is for God to make him spiritually alive. For "you can do nothing without God.
---Mark_V. on 11/12/13


Thank you Warwick good point. I will work on doing better in the future.

The remark was to MarkV
---Samuelbb7 on 11/12/13


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Shira, I agree with you. Christ died for ALL meaning that there was a possibility that all could be saved. If we are offered a gift it is up to us whether we accept or reject it BUT it has still been offered. Salvation is offered to ALL BUT some reject it and die in their unforgiven sin because they refused the forgiveness which was on offer.
---Rita_H on 11/11/13


Samuel, again you do not specify to whom you are directing your comments. You wrote "The reason I mentioned TULIP is because you are arguing for that form of predestination." Is it not better to nominate to whom it is written?
---Warwick on 11/11/13


Mark, what denomination do you attend?

You wrote "If He died for them, they too have everlasting life,..." Unless I misunderstand you, you are saying that if He died for all, all are automatically saved. Is this so? But this does not follow as God's offer of forgiveness is not like air converting any who it touches. Air has to be breathed to be of value to us. Likewise that He died and rose again has to be believed for it to have saving grace. All have sinned and likewise all have the offer of forgiveness but we are not automatically saved because He died and rose again, as we have to come to Him, in heart-felt repentance and ask. This has been said over and over in different ways but you do not seem to comprehend it.
---Warwick on 11/11/13


Thank you Sira and Warwick good points.

The reason I mentioned TULIP is because you are arguing for that form of predestination. You are arguing for unconditional election, Limited atonement irrestible grace.

Baptist often believe in Total Depravity and Perservence of the saints but disagree with your arguements and believe that GOD gives us as a gift of free will with allows us to choose to give up being lost and choose to be saved.

In fact earlier you argued that all we say and do which inculdes any sin we commit is ordained or commanded by GOD. Which means we do not make decisions at all but are robots. One of the most extreme forms of Calvanism.
---Samuelbb7 on 11/11/13


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Shirl, MarkV lacks the skill to understand the written Word of God. God has promised to reveal His Word to us that we might understand. He said through Paul, "But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost." II Cor 4:2.
MarkV teaches Calvinistic limited atonement when the Bible teaches Jesus died for all mankind.
He takes parts of Scripture to make false statements. His own son has chosen to be an atheist rather than follow his father's foolishness. Plus, he doesn't have the assurance of his own salvation. He has claimed he won't know for sure until he gets to heaven. So who would listen to his tripe? He pours out his hatred towards anyone who disagrees with him.
---Elder on 11/11/13


Markv, I'm beginning to see you lack the skill to read and comprehend. Everyone knows the dead are dead....period. They did have a chance to be saved. Before Christ the belief in God was counted as righteousness.
---shira4368 on 11/11/13


Mark, you just cannot help yourself, you continually misrepresent what people write. Samuel wrote "No one that I know of teaches that we save ourselves with freewill." Of course we need to come to Christ (see Matthew 11:28) and confess our sins, and ask for forgiveness, but the saving is all His work. All we can do is come, and "He is faithful to forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness" 1 John 1:9 Our coming to Christ for forgiveness does not save us but means we avail ourselves of His promise, which is all His work.

Matthew 23:37 plainly demonstrates our free-will.
---Warwick on 11/11/13


Shira, you how say,
"That means ALL has a chance to be saved." you are wrong. All does not mean those who have died in their sins. If He came for them also, He came a little too late. You say,
"No matter how you say it or twist it Christ died for the WHOLE world" No He didn't, read who He died for in the verse before that one
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, (Now hear this) that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life" You see, only those with faith to believe have everlasting life. Not the whole world. If He died for them, they too have everlasting life, those without faith. But He didn't die for them.
---Mark_V. on 11/11/13


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Markv, now you are showing no one can even hint to you the truth. I said we are all...
That means ALL has a chance to be saved. God sent His Son to the world not to condemn the world but that the world thru Him may be saved. No matter how you say it or twist it Christ died for the WHOLE world
---shira4368 on 11/10/13


Shira, you now want to make a point that,
"We don't save ourselves with free will." Which is very true since no one has a will that is free.
Then say," We are saved by the blood of the lamb for all men. That means the whole world." The whole world is not saved. Then say,
" I chose to accept Christ." only because God chose you first and gave you faith to believe in His Word otherwise you would still be lost. God gets the glory, not you.
---Mark_V. on 11/10/13


We don't save ourselves with free will. We are saved by the blood of the lamb for all men. That means the whole world. I chose to accept Christ.
---shira4368 on 11/9/13


Samuel, you say:
"MarkV No one that I know of teaches that we save ourselves with freewill. At least of those churches who still believe in the Bible."
Are you not saying you came to Christ out of your own free will when you were lost? And if you had not used your own free will you would still be lost? Salvation was there for the taking. So It was not God drawing you to Himself, it was you drawing yourself to God, you took it. That is what all of you are saying. Denying the fallen state of the unsaved. Here concerning the usaved.
"Because the carnal mind is enmity against God, for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God" (Rom. 8:7,8).
---Mark_V. on 11/5/13


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Samuel, why do you mention the Tulip? No one has mentioned the tulip at all. Second, you say,
"I agree with what you write here. Which means by your definition that I do not believe in Free Will." so you then say," How do you explain then that I do believe in free will?"
I cannot explain why you believe in free will. There are no such words in Scripture, and no where are we told the will of man is free. So I cannot understand why you believe in it. Maybe you want to hold to both concepts. Give God the glory, yet keep some glory for yourself.
If the unsaved could draw himself to Christ by their own free will then the Bible speak lies. But the Bible tells us very clearly the condition of the unsaved.
---Mark_V. on 11/5/13


Samuel, you are so right concerning free will. God gives all the world an opportunity even the heavens declare God.
---Shira4368 on 11/5/13


Interesting how I seemed to cause a problem when I agreed with someone.

MarkV No one that I know of teaches that we save ourselves with freewill. At least of those churches who still believe in the Bible.

We are saved by Grace alone. I seem to have a very different definition of free will then you do. Much of what you say about how free will is wrong I have agreed with. That does not lead me to believe TULIP. It just leads me to believe that you are not understanding what we believe. Unfortunately many who believe in free will have not been a proper understanding of what it is and how it works. So there are problems on both sides of the discussion.

Agape to all.
---Samuelbb7 on 11/4/13


" The HOLY SPIRIT convicts us of sin and draws us to JESUS." That's exactly what I say. Without the Holy Spirit convicting you, you will never draw near to Christ. And if He doesn't convict? You remain lost. No matter how much free will you believe you have. Yes, many do not believe that it's God who initiates and finishes our salvation. Man in his lost condition will never seek after God. A person lost does not understand spiritual matters? (1 Cor. 2:14).
Mark_V. on 11/1/13

I agree with what you write here. Which means by your definition that I do not believe in Free Will. How do you explain then that I do believe in free will?
---Samuelbb7 on 11/4/13


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Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/28/13
I see this person put this down on the christianet page al the time. that is nice to do too. i just wonder why he don't do it when he post.
---Buster on 11/4/13


Shira, why do you make something out of nothing? Samuel never spoke about Satan. He only agreed with my response. You complain with:
"
markv, I didn't accuse Samuel of anything either. see how you twist things. I told him why I thought satan is in some churches. just like the original question satan has infiltrated and divided churches and Christians."
What did I twist about what you said? When did I say you were accusing Samuel? You should read my responses correctly before you accuse me of something. Your upset because you believe in free will, which is not in the Bible. So you get angry with me for telling you the Truth that it's God who saves individuals, individuals do not save themselves with their free will.
---Mark_V. on 11/3/13


markv, I didn't accuse Samuel of anything either. see how you twist things. I told him why I thought satan is in some churches. just like the original question satan has infiltrated and divided churches and Christians.
---shira4368 on 11/2/13


\\but I do know you are angry lest your post wouldn't be so Insulting.
---shira4368 on 11/2/13\\

Projecting again, shira?

Just how have I been insulting?

By not admitting that you're right and immediately agreeing with you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/2/13


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"I hope you don't act in church the way you do on christianet. Im putting you on my prayer list. bible says be ye angry and sin not. I don't know if you are a sinner but I do know you are angry lest your post wouldn't be so Insulting." shira4368

I hope you stood before the mirror to write this message before you decided to address this to Cluny.
---christan on 11/2/13


Shira, if you had noticed Samuel did not bring the subject of Satan at all. He was talking about how the churches have changed and added their traditions. He is correct, I do not disagree with him at all on any part that he wrote down.
What I did was add to what he said. That it is not Satan doing the destroying of the Church, it is sinful man doing it, but many give the glory to Satan, when he is not doing anything at all but watching those who do his desires.
So I do not disagree with Samuel, he is perfectly correct.
---Mark_V. on 11/2/13


cluny, Im glad you feel that way about your church. I hope you don't act in church the way you do on christianet. Im putting you on my prayer list. bible says be ye angry and sin not. I don't know if you are a sinner but I do know you are angry lest your post wouldn't be so Insulting.
---shira4368 on 11/2/13


markv, I know what Samuel was talking about when they say satan is destroying denominations. many many churches have taken their denominations off the church sign. everything is going generic. you can not know what one of the generic churches believe. they believe all things and nothing at the same time. I am what I am and nothing will change that except God. I agree with Samuel.
---shira4368 on 11/1/13


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Samuel, only the Truth of the Word counts. The lost do the desires of their father the devil, why would the devil have to do anything?
Steven and some others say Satan is destroying the denominations, when we are told Satan is not omnipotent, or omnipresent. He cannot be in all places at one time. He is not God. Satan does not have to do anything, those lost do his desires without even knowing. Look at Peter, Jesus told him,
"Get behind Me Satan" Satan was not present. Peter was speaking for him. Jesus had to die and Peter did not want Him to die. Peter was going against Scripture. He was speaking for Satan.
There is enough evil in people to destroy just about anything, Satan only smiles.
---Mark_V. on 11/1/13


... good suit can cover a wicked heart.
But taking the Priest and putting him as a more Holy then others ....
---Samuelbb7 on 10/31/13

Well said. We should all flee organized denom's.
Jer_23:1 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.
Eze_13:3.... Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing!
Luk_11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, them that were entering in ye hindered.
Isa_56:11 Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.
---Trav on 11/1/13


Well even a good suit can cover a wicked heart. The vestments of Church leaders do not worry me. The putting of Tradition above scripture does. When men can nullify the word of the LORD by throwing it out and putting man made traditions in. That is what bothers me.

If a tradition is not contrary to scripture such as wearing vestment. I am okay with that. But taking the Priest and putting him as a more Holy then others when all people are to be priests in the eyes of GOD. That I cannot agree with.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/31/13


Yes Cluny they were worn 2000 years ago.
But have you read the Bible? Who was it that wore them?
Was it Christians following Christ? Or Christ himself?
No it was not. It was worn by the ones who condemned Christ and those who followed HIM. So lets get history straight or even better The Holy word of God. It says it is not what is on the outside that matters BUT what it inside that does. So those costumes are for show, not for good manners. We are not supposed to adorn ourselves like the ones who crucified Christ.
---g on 10/31/13


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\\She was talking about the pomp & circumstance. Costumes & such. This is ALL churches & is a remnant of the orthodox church who started it.\\

The "costumes", properly vestments, are based on what EVERYONE wore 2000 years ago.

And what you call "pomp" was simply good manners. The services in the Temple, as they still are in Synagogues, have set ceremonial and ritual. Jesus never condemned these practices. In fact, during His earthly sojourn He not only attended such services, but took leading roles in them.

What do you think the first generation of Christians did? Sat around in their jeans and talked about what a great guy Jesus was?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/30/13


" while I don't see any difference in a body of believers and the church of Christ." There is a big difference. The visible church is made up of wheat and tares. Satan does not have to enter any church, the sinners in the Church do the desires of their father the devil. Mark_V.

Well Mark it might upset you a bit. But I and Ellen G. White agree with you here. Good point.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/30/13


Cluny, You are not answering my question either!
---1st_cliff on 10/30/13


sorry I meant to say the oppression by satan can affect the body of Christ.
---shira4368 on 10/30/13


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\\markv, satan has penetrated many churches.\\

Most of them are Baptist ones, shira.

Glory to Jesus Christ!

---Cluny on 10/28/13


Now Cluny lets stay with the whole truth. The first & greatest schism happened within the Orthodox Church. That is how Roman Catholics were born. & please read all the post. She was talking about the pomp & circumstance. Costumes & such. This is ALL churches & is a remnant of the orthodox church who started it.
---g on 10/30/13


markv, I was talking the oppression of satan on a body of believers. he most certainly can affect the church of Christ or a body of believers. he cant take our salvation but he can cause your testimony to be compromised. can you not see that? satan has torn up many churches who is called a body of believers.
---shira4368 on 10/30/13


Shira, you now say,
"markv, I said, satan will disrupt and kill the Spirit of a body of believers. I did not say the church of Christ."
The Church of Christ is made up of genuine believers who are baptized into one body in Christ. Spiritually. Those will never be lost. When they believed the word, "the word came to them in power and in the Holy Spirit with much assurance.. (1 Thess. 1:4,5). Then say,
" while I don't see any difference in a body of believers and the church of Christ." There is a big difference. The visible church is made up of wheat and tares. Satan does not have to enter any church, the sinners in the Church do the desires of their father the devil.
---Mark_V. on 10/30/13


Steveng, you hit the nail on the head. As soon as Jesus ascended back to His Father, Satan put his man in place to confuse and mislead the followers of Jesus. John 5:43.

Some of us are now rejecting those teachings and going back to see what the Word of God has to say and teach. God gave us His Son to teach us the Truth (John 8:42-47). Jesus prayed that we would become one with the Father and Son (John 17:20-26) and I believe that would have happened if we had only stuck to the Way, the Truth and the Life. It is a hard thing for us to admit that we have been deceived but our only hope is to turn ourselves around and face the Truth. John 17:17.
---barb on 10/30/13


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\\evidently I believe my doctrine is right otherwise I would believe something besides what I believe.
---shira4368 on 10/29/13\\

But I KNOW my doctrine is right.

That's the big difference.

What seems to make you madder than anything else is when I don't roll over and surrender to you.

BTW, I noticed that you made no attempt to answer my question about what I believe that is heretical.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/30/13


Jesus never argued with those who disagreed with him. He gave them a question, with which they knew the answer. An question, with an answer which showed them they were wrong.

Then they were able to except or deny the Truth he gave them. Some excepted this Truth, some denied this Truth.

When you disagree with someone about what they believe, try and show them the Truth through a clearly written verse in the bible.

Then they can except or deny the Truth which God has shown them. If they reject the Truth, it's between them and God, it's not you against them.
---David on 10/30/13


Hi, Steven (c: Satan can make it look like he has divided Christians. But, often enough, the ones "divided" are already in his kingdom and are only naming Jesus and the Bible but not living it.

And what really is hurting is how they do not have "rest for your souls." (in Matthew 11:28-30)

And they are not pleasing our Father. "rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God." (1 Peter 3:4)

Instead of being pleasing to God in His love's "incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit", they are only arguing as sibling rivals of the wrong kingdom.
---willie_c: on 10/30/13


cluny, I am glad you got a blessing. I hope you are blessed everytime you cut someones faith down that don't agree with yours. evidently I believe my doctrine is right otherwise I would believe something besides what I believe.
---shira4368 on 10/29/13


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Cluny, You state **Things change** which I gather you mean "Orthodox"
BUT You also said **Not new not improved**
Which statement is correct?
---1st_cliff on 10/29/13


\\Cluny, I simply responded to your post: Orthodoxy not new not improved. I never mentioned "bible".\\

You mentioned that Jesus and the apostles didn't have processions.

I merely pointed out that they didn't have the Bible either.

After all, you me want to conform to the actual practices of Jesus and the Apostles, therefore you should as well.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/29/13


The church is a spiritual body not a physical place(Regardless of denominational name). A person joins the church by trusting the gospel of Jesus Christ that he died for your sins, was raised from the dead to provide salvation from sin and death (Eph 1:13-14).
When Christianity is confused with religion, physical objects and places are called holy.
My Bible says Holy Bible on the front, but it's the words that are holy, not the physical pages
It's possible to commit sacrilege in Muslim mosques and Jewish temples and Catholic churches by mishandling physical objects.
The church is not a building it's saved people. You can't go to the church, if you are saved, you are the church.
---michael_e on 10/29/13


\\How does "Orthodoxy" resemble early Christians?\\

Because that's what we are.

Tell me, would you be satisfied with early computer science, early automobiles, or especially early medical science?

Things change. You don't think the Bible is a closed system, do you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/29/13


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Thank you for the blessing, shira.

Another deposit to my heavenly treasure.

What do you think are my heresies? That God is in three Persons? That Jesus is the Incarnate Logos? That He rose from the dead, ascended into heaven, and is returning as judge?

Please be specific.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/29/13


Part 2:

shira, since Baptists pride themselves on the ability and right of the individual believer to interpret Scripture for himself, without the interference of any outside authority, by what objective standard do you call me a heretic?

According to strict Baptist teaching, you have none.

And if I AM a heretic, in your view, would you not WANT me to attend your church to hear what you think is sound doctrine?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/29/13


Cluny, I simply responded to your post: Orthodoxy not new not improved. I never mentioned "bible".
How does "Orthodoxy" resemble early Christians?
A rag-tag band of uneducated fishermen, no flowing robes and decorated places of worship ,no command to march in a procession carrying banners and symbols!(like the Romans did) Just who are they/you copying?
---1st_cliff on 10/29/13


cluny, you are mental disabled person. you DON'T know what you are talking about. I can tell you if you came to my church, I would warn them what a heretic you are. the Baptist church don't need people like you. you need to be quiet on things you don't know.
---shira4368 on 10/29/13


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markv, I said, satan will disrupt and kill the Spirit of a body of believers. I did not say the church of Christ. while I don't see any difference in a body of believers and the church of Christ. satan has infiltrated many churches. please show me I am wrong.
---shira4368 on 10/29/13


Shira, Satan cannot penetrate the Church of Christ. It is made up of genuine believers Spiritually baptized into one body in Christ. Satan has no place in there.
What you are referring to are the visible denominational churches. Like the RCC, Eastern Orthodox and Protestant churches. Yet Satan is not penetrating them inside, it is the sin of the unsaved sinners who cause division. Satan doesn't do anything to them, they do the desires of their father the devil and don't ever realize it. Denominational churches are made up of wheat the tares. The Church of Christ has no tares. Stop giving the glory to Satan as if he is doing a whole lot of stuff. It is the sinners doing a whole lot of bad stuff.
---Mark_V. on 10/29/13


"where is one mind "

A few keys words you used, "each having their own rituals, traditions, ways of living and interpretations of the bible?"


Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus Rom 15:5

Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.Phil 2:2


Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous 1 Pe 3:8


---Chria9396 on 10/29/13


\\markv, satan has penetrated many churches.\\

Most of them are Baptist ones, shira.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/28/13


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markv, satan has penetrated many churches. I know you are referring to the saved as being the church. but in reality, a body of believers can be uprooted by one person. also one person can quench the Spirit in any church. Ive seen that happen. satan usually starts with the choir and then it spreads from there. satan knows how to deceive the "elect". he is cunning and deceiving and he knows our weaknesses and our strengths.
---shira4368 on 10/28/13


\\Cluny, View an artist's conception of a Roman procession (with their symbol topped poles) \\

And your point is what, exactly?

Processions are not of the essence of the faith.

What doctrine is expressed by the presence or absence of processions?

\\Neither one is like Jesus and His apostles!\\

If you really want to be like Jesus and His apostles, the first thing you will do when you get through reading this post is to put your Bibles away and never look at them again, because you didn't have them.

Give BCV where Jesus ordered us to have a copy of the Bible.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/28/13


Cluny, View an artist's conception of a Roman procession (with their symbol topped poles) and compare it to an Orthodox procession....There's very little difference!
Neither one is like Jesus and His apostles!
---1st_cliff on 10/28/13


John 10,5 - and a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of a stranger,

John 10:27 - My Sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me,
---RICHARDC on 10/28/13


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Steven, the genuine Christians are all of one mind. Satan cannot penetrate the Church of Christ. It is a spiritual church, the body of Christ.
The visible church is made up of believers and unbelievers, wheat and tares. Satan did not add the traditions of the RCC, all he did was stand by and watch evil man do his desires. Why? because they are sinners. Many who broke away from the RCC and their traditions, have gone back and added the same traditions of works to salvation.
Stop giving Satan the glory for everything. You are not in one mind with genuine believers. They believe God Rules in heaven and on earth, you believe the opposite.
---Mark_V. on 10/28/13


Yes, Steven, Paul clearly says . . . in his letter to the Corinthians > "Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment."

He says to have "the same mind", and we can see what he means in Philippians 2:1-11. So, this is not only talking about having the same beliefs and practices. Ones seeking outward conformity can totally miss how it is to have the mind of Jesus.
---willie_c: on 10/28/13


And every single one of them broke away, either directly or indirectly, from Orthodoxy.

Orthodoxy: for 2000 years not new, not improved.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/27/13


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