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Age Of Life On Earth

Do we really know how much time had passed between the time Adam and Eve were created and the time when it talking about other people on the earth? I know we tend to use our current time frame but are we sure?

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Trav, I answered your ambiguous challenge, and you complain!

Words are defined by context-God created the "earth" (erets) Genesis 1:1. This means the whole earth.

Genesis 6-8 describes no local flood-"the waters prevailed...all the high mountains under the whole heaven were covered" 7:19. Job 41:11 "Whatever is under the whole heaven is mine" meaning everything belongs to God. Consequently in Genesis 7:19 "erets" also means everything i.e. the whole earth.

Throughout the Bible God has acted against people and localities e.g. Egypt and Sodom, and has named them. In Genesis 6-8 no peoples or localities are named because it covered the whole earth.
---Warwick on 11/18/13


Trav,

A single word rarely gives context but the words AROUND that single word.

As Warwick pointed out, "all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered" is the context for understanding the word eretz. From that, and many other verses, you deduce it was a worldwide flood, just as the Church (and many pagan myths) has ALWAYS believed.

So, Trav, cite a single verse that unequivocally proves the Flood was local.
---Marc on 11/18/13


It's as I thought ,Kathr and Jerry unable or unwilling to answer my question!
---1st_cliff on 11/18/13


Trav, contrary to the detailed account of the world-wide flood you hang upon a selective, defective, definition of one word claiming it was local. ....
---Warwick on 11/17/13

Still drowning in Genesis, eh. Evasive non witnessed opinions are worth nothing on these topics. To the extent of being false doctrine.
The scriptural "one word" erets, you infer to above is used over 1,400 times as a land area, not global. Giving context/understanding to the meaning in excess.
The contradiction is your lack in understanding/acceptance of scripture against your uni-doctrine. You cling when the obvious proof drowns you in facts. But, you know that I know why.
---Trav on 11/17/13


Trav, contrary to the detailed account of the world-wide flood you hang upon a selective, defective, definition of one word claiming it was local. But you are wrong, Genesis 7:19 says the floodwaters rose until "all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered." But you insist all does not mean all and entire does not mean entire. God figure.

That this Scripture, and others, show the flood cannot have been local evades your understanding. This is because you are willingly ignorant, rejecting any Scripture which contradicts your nonBiblical ideas.

This is but one example of where you "propose ideas which are both unmentioned in Scripture, and in fact contradicted by Scripture."
---Warwick on 11/17/13




Trav,... you regularly propose ideas which are both unmentioned in Scripture....
That is why I contend with you and your strangled prose.

You quote Matthew 15:24 out of context as vs. 28 ....
---Warwick on 11/15/13

First you will provide proof for your lie. Show where I've ever proposed ideas unmentioned in scripture....with out providing scripture. You cannot so evade/run/hide as a false accuser does.

You, openly witnessed here, contend with scripture I post. Scripture that strangles your your false theory's/doctrines. Scripture you would prefer not be posted.
You have no answers. O pastor without any sheep.
Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
---Trav on 11/17/13


You quote Matthew 15:24 out of context as vs. 28 shows He was testing her ...
---Warwick on 11/15/13

You are a very practiced deceiver, and have added context while accusing of the same.
No where is even suggested this was a test.
It was a comparison to the Sheep he was seeking.

He told her her great faith healed her daughter. The fact that she knew he was points to the probability's of her past lineage.

Eze 34:4 The diseased have ye not strengthened, neither have ye healed that which was sick, neither have ye bound up that which was broken, neither have ye brought again that which was driven away, neither have ye sought that which was lost, but with force and with cruelty have ye ruled them.
---Trav on 11/17/13


Kathr, I gave a fairly comprehensive explanation of my reason for believing that the sons of God were angels but it was not published!
So I'll ask one simple question to you and Jerry,
Where is the bible account of angels sinning
OT ?
---1st_cliff on 11/16/13


Thanks Micha,

So merilee, Micha gave you the correct answer. Ignore mine...
---kathr4453 on 11/15/13


Trav, regarding denying Scripture you write of yourself as you regularly propose ideas which are both unmentioned in Scripture, and in fact contradicted by Scripture.

You wrote "It is a scientific impossibility for all to come to one." What does this mean? Do you perhaps mean it is impossible for all humans to come from one original pair? If this is so please explain.

I also hate every false way. That is why I contend with you and your strangled prose. You quote Matthew 15:24 out of context as vs. 28 shows He was testing her and because of her "great faith" Jesus healed her daughter.
---Warwick on 11/15/13




1st Cliff, I pulled up the scripture you left on your post here and read all verses before and after. Did you read it ALL? I do not see there the angels who sinned is in direct connection with Noah, but is in a long list that even includes Sodom and Gomorrah, Lot and so forth.

Angels we are told cannot procreate, nor are men or women in gender, so taking that into account, I don't believe these genderless creatures took human women for wives.
---kathr4453 on 11/15/13


"Ya know, for all we know it could have been 50 billion years."-kathr4453 on 11/15/13
Gen 5:1-3 This [is] the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him, Male and female created he them, and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat [a son] in his own likeness, after his image, and called his name Seth:
--Quite less than 130 years.
---micha9344 on 11/15/13


Marilee, No one knows how long Adam and Eve were alone in the Garden of Eden before sin entered and Eve gave birth to Cain, the first ("other people now on the earth").

Is this what you are asking? This is how I understand your question. I don't believe the question is asking if God created other people on the earth.

The answer is that scripture is silent as to how many years went by from the time Adam and Eve were created until they sinned and were removed from the Garden. We know no children were born to them in the Garden. If that were so, Adams sin would not have passed on to them or brought them into condemnation.

Ya know, for all we know it could have been 50 billion years.
---kathr4453 on 11/15/13


Jerry, Peter sets the period (2Pet.2.4) saying that God did not spare the angels that sinned,BUT spared Noah.
How did the angels sin at that time if not cohabiting with women and fathering hybrid giants?
Saying that the "sons of God"were human is speculation!
---1st_cliff on 11/15/13


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Jerry, If the "sons of God" were human, how did the angels sin in Noah's day as Peter says?
---1st_cliff on 11/14/13
//


Huh? That question has two subjects and no meaning.





---jerry6593 on 11/15/13


Trav, faulty reasoning. We know from Scripture (and medical science confirms) we are all of one blood (even strangers) , all descended from Adam.
---Warwick on 11/13/13

Faulty on your part and in your scripture denying doctrine. But, then that is the point you help make.
It is a scientific impossibility for all to come to one. Your "one blood" book doctors the math.
Scripture outs falsehood for those who seek truth not opinions.
Psa_119:104 Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.
Deu_10:15 Only....
Heb 8:8
Matt 15:24
---Trav on 11/14/13


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Jerry, If the "sons of God" were human, how did the angels sin in Noah's day as Peter says?
---1st_cliff on 11/14/13


Rita H: I think your opinion is right on. Indeed, most Bible scholars worth their salt consider the "sons of God" to be descendants of Seth and the "children of men" to be descendants of Cain. In the broader context, the case may be made for the "sons of God" to be the followers Jehovah or Jesus, and the "children of men" to be worldlings.



---jerry6593 on 11/14/13


Trav, faulty reasoning. We know from Scripture (and medical science confirms) we are all of one blood (even strangers) , all descended from Adam.

That there were strangers in Adams time, Moses time and our time is absolutely no evidence they were/are not of the Adamic line. The very idea is speculation based upon Biblical and scientific ignorance. Those spoken of as foreigners/aliens are no more than that, just as we describe such people today. That those mentioned in Exodus 12 could share in the Passover meal means they are of Adams line.
---Warwick on 11/13/13


Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
Jos 24:1 And Joshua gathered all the tribes of Israel to Shechem, and called for the elders of Israel, and for their heads, and for their judges, and for their officers, and they presented themselves before God.
Gen 4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
Gen 4:26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son, and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.
Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair, and they took them wives of all which they chose.
---micha9344 on 11/13/13


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Rita H, The 1st chapter of Job says The sons of God were angels and satan was one of them! Also Peter said the angels that sinned in Noah's day. Fathers of the Nephilim!
were punished!
Appearing as men ,they were gender specific!
---1st_cliff on 11/13/13


I will stand by what I have written about Exodus 12:43,48. And anyway it is irrelevant as were speaking of 'strangers' to Adam, not Moses.
---Warwick on 11/12/13

Stand on.
BTW, that is the point, Adams lineage. Same as Moses. The fact that there are over 8 words for stranger in the Hebrew and 10 in the New make the point that there are strangers unrelated to Adam.
Adam #119 strongs, is self explanatory.
Gen 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam.
Deu 14:2 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.
Heb 8:8-10 (New Covenant)with same people.
---Trav on 11/13/13


Trav, Wrong on this?? The giants were hybrids, off springs of angels (materialized) and daughters of men. they could not procreate!
---1st_cliff on 11/12/13


Cliff....read where they bare their children below.

Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them,....

Get a concordance or use an online concordance and dictionary. Research for several years for a foundation in what the bible says about Covenants and with who.
Start with Heb 8:8/Jer 31:31/Duet 7:6-8/Duet 14:2/Ex 19:5.
Then, if you aren't looking for sheep, then what are you doing?
---Trav on 11/13/13


I have always thought that the 'sons of God' refers to believers and the 'daughters of men refers to non-belivers. As we are told to not be 'unequally yoked' I think that is what this is all about. My reason for thinking this is because angels do not have a gender and, therefore, would not be capable of reproducing. God did not make angels for the purpose of reproducing.

We have to be extremely careful about adding our own interpretation to scripture and my opinion above is my OPINION but I think it makes sense for the reason I give.
---Rita_H on 11/13/13


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Trav: More nonsense! I think you should adjust your metal foil hat - the instructions from your mother ship are becoming garbled.




---jerry6593 on 11/13/13


Shira, Angels have always materialized as men ,as in Sodom and Gomorah.
And scripture says the sons of God got to see that the sons of man were beautiful and took wives!(Gen.6.1.2.)
---1st_cliff on 11/13/13


cliff, how can an angel which is non gender lay with a human? that is not possible.
---shira4368 on 11/12/13


Trav, Wrong on this?? The giants were hybrids, off springs of angels (materialized) and daughters of men. they could not procreate!
They could not become a new race! Thankfully they drowned in the flood!
---1st_cliff on 11/12/13


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Trav, thank you for the correction, I left the 1 out.

That the originals may or may not contain "one blood" is irrelevant as Acts 17:26 says every nation of mankind came from one man, that being Adam. We know this is true as all the 'races' on earth can intermarry and produce offspring. This makes them both the 1 kind, and the 1 species-definitely one blood.

I will stand by what I have written about Exodus 12:43,48. And anyway it is irrelevant as were speaking of 'strangers' to Adam, not Moses. BTW 'nekar' means "one from a foreign land, foreigner, alien stranger." That those spoken of in verse 43, and 48 can come into the covenant by circumcision means they are Adams descendants.
---Warwick on 11/12/13


Trav, Acts 7:26 says that every nation of mankind are descended from one man.
You quoted Ex 12:43 as though such "stranger" was not of Adam's line... read on to verse 48 you will see such "stranger" (better foreigner) may take part in Passover..... This undermines part b of your case.
---Warwick on 11/10/13

The verse is Acts 17:26, it was "not written" in the originals as "one blood".

Actually Exodus 48 punctuates the point exactly. Stranger in Ex 43 is "nekar" a heathen, unrelated. In 48 it is a "sojourner", related.

Which brings us to the Lords Passover, in which only 12 disciples representing the whole house of (two sticks rejoined) Israel attended.
---Trav on 11/12/13


Trav, Simple genetics will give you the answer.IE
Different creatures cannot cross breed and procreate.

So a different race from Adam would not cross breed with Adam's offsprings!---1st_cliff on 11/10/13

Simple genetcs?? Genetics are not simple and can never get back to their original.
Regardless you are scripturally wrong as this verse shows.
Gen_6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Deu_10:15 Only the LORD had a delight in thy fathers to love them, he chose their seed after them, even you above all people, as it is this day.
---Trav on 11/12/13


Warwick: Perhaps Trav is trying to convince us of an alien race on earth by showing that he is one of "them".
Just a thought.
---jerry6593 on 11/12/13


Point for the sheep...and sometimes wolfpups respond.
1Co_14:29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
Act_13:40 Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the prophets,
When you are grown/mature/brave enough, you may be able to make your own determinations.
2Pe_3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
---Trav on 11/12/13


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Trav, you have written nonsense again.
---Warwick on 11/5/13

Warwick: I think that you may be looking at this all wrong. Perhaps Trav is trying to convince us of an alien race on earth by showing that he is one of "them". He likely receives his messages of wisdom from the mother ship, and they naturally appear as "nonsense" to us humans.

Just a thought.




---jerry6593 on 11/12/13


Trav, Simple genetics will give you the answer.IE
Different creatures cannot cross breed and procreate.
A horse and a donkey produce mules but mules are sterile! as are geep (sheep and goats) and cattelo (cattle and buffalo) etc.
So a different race from Adam would not cross breed with Adam's offsprings!
Hybrids do not procreate!
---1st_cliff on 11/10/13


Trav, Acts 7:26 says that every nation of mankind are descended from one man. And that of course is Adam. Genesis 3:20 says Eve is the "mother of all living." Therefore all mankind from one man Adam and one woman, Eve. Genetics of course confirms this.

You believe other humans were created, not of Adam's line, therefore "strangers" to Adam. I pointed out why you are wrong so you take mighty leap to Moses in Egypt. You quoted Exodus 12:43 as though such "stranger" was not of Adam's line but of a separate creation. If you read on to verse 48 you will see such "stranger" (better foreigner) may take part in Passover if he and his were circumcised. This undermines part b of your case.
---Warwick on 11/10/13


Trav, you have written nonsense again.
---Warwick on 11/5/13

Yeah, what an answer. Run.
A pulpiteer that doesn't understand/converse with scripture.
It is as scripturally simple as possible in 125 words. Prophets tested the scriptures I posted. No church will touch them as evident with you.
Zuwr/Nokriy/Nekar are Hebrew for stranger. Unrelated. Telling us that all did not come through Adam. Otherwise all would be related.
Scripture is your hindrance....only the ones you like apply.
Exo_12:43 And the LORD said unto Moses and Aaron, This is the ordinance of the passover: There shall no stranger eat thereof:
---Trav on 11/6/13


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Trav, you have written nonsense again. I wondered if I should call your scribblings nonsense but what else should I call nonsense?

Join a church and have your beliefs tested by the word of God.
---Warwick on 11/5/13


"Adam lived for 930 years and you imagine ....
That none were unknown to him, therefore strangers?"
---Warwick on 11/4/13

Strangers, Zuwr to you. You've lost them GOD hasn't.
Adam will recognize his own.
Mat_7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Joh_10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
Gen_5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. ...
Deu_32:8 ...when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
Amo_9:9 For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.
---Trav on 11/5/13


Trav, you are now trying to duck the point. Your use of "stranger" was in the context of Adam and His descendants all of whom you wrote "would be extended family."
---Warwick on 11/4/13

Well this is funny as you've ducked/run/hid and continue to from all scripture posted on this "extended" family.
Of the 8 O.T. words for "stranger" are nekar, zuwr and nokriy. These 3 are non related strangers. The other 5 are related but, unfamiliar.
There would not be these three if "all" came from Adam.
There are 10 words in the N.T.

Yes Adam will know his own family. Adams children are scripturally listed so you speculate as to the number.
Psa_119:130
---Trav on 11/5/13


Trav, you are now trying to duck the point. Your use of "stranger" was in the context of Adam and His descendants all of whom you wrote "would be extended family." You said that as they were all his extended family none would be a "stranger", to him, not to God.

I therefore ask again hoping for an honest and to the point answer "Adam lived for 930 years and you imagine he kept in touch with all his descendants over the many generations over that time-span? That none were unknown to him, therefore strangers?"
---Warwick on 11/4/13


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Trav, .... Apparently you don't consult them, considering yourself an expert, and look at what you write!
---Warwick on 11/4/13

Ha. No expert here. Just smart enough to listen to my Lords witnesses rather than yours. My posts point and are pointed to for sheep. The sheep eat, you wag your head.
Sure, i've worn your poorly called "experts" writings out. There are few crust of moldy denom breadcrumbs to be had there.
My Lord's precepts are much, much more than your experts. You live in genesis...I'll camp among the prophets.

Scriptural "lucid" just for y o u.
Pro_12:11 He that tilleth his land shall be satisfied with bread: but he that followeth vain persons is void of understanding.
---Trav on 11/4/13


Trav, Adam lived for 930 years and you imagine he kept in touch with all his descendants.....
---Warwick on 11/4/13

His GOD does. Replying to you with scripture when applicable. Makes you angry or disgusted. You never wanting to exercise/discuss precepts is apparent. They don't appeal or apply to you. See your mission one disruption or deflection of precepts, building upon precepts. A "tell" when sheep searching.
You crave scriptural authority but, have no bread.
Mat_16:11 How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees?
---Trav on 11/4/13


Trav, just for once shock me with a lucid, and to the point answer.

Adam lived for 930 years and you imagine he kept in touch with all his descendants over the many generations over that time-span? That none were unknown to him, therefore strangers?

You imagine David's descendants were known to Adam? That is nonsense.

As regarding Genesis 6:2 there is not shame, or incorrectness in consulting experts regarding difficult sections of Scripture. Apparently you don't consult them, considering yourself an expert, and look at what you write!
---Warwick on 11/4/13


Genesis 6:2 "is an answer in itself." Then you go straight to the top of the class as leading theologians do not believe the meaning is self-evident, at all.
---Warwick on 11/1/13

No surprise you and your disciple worship of "leading theologians". These are alluded to frequently, usually as supposed friends are your guides. Blind as you both may be.
I'll take the prophets and witnessing scripture over your theo-logic any and every time.
Mat_23:24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

Deu_32:8 When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
---Trav on 11/3/13


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Trav, regarding "stranger" how long do you imagine it took (considering Adam lived hundreds of years) for some of his multiple generations of descendants to become strangers to him?
---Warwick on 11/1/13

A devious or blind reply. Sheep would do well to research "for ever" and everlasting.
Adams/Noah/Abraham/Jacob/Moses/Davids offspring are never nekar or nokriy to a thousand generations.
Psa_105:8 He hath remembered his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations.
Deu_28:46 they shall be upon thee for a sign, for a wonder, upon thy seed for ever.
1Ch_16:15 Be ye mindful always of his covenant, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations,
---Trav on 11/3/13


Thanks David. It was a pleasure communicating with you.
---Warwick on 11/2/13


Warwick: "You can do nothing with them as Scripture is not their ultimate authority."

So true! The Bible is our ONLY common ground for discussion purposes, but when minds are so fixed on their own thoughts and feelings that they consider themselves above the scriptures, we have no basis for discussion whatever.

The "two creations" theory is a childish look at scripture, as it expects that the Bible is written in strict chronological order. It is not. Just look at the Book of Revelation. The Hebrew writing style of "repeat and magnify" is used in Gen 1 & 2 - NOT a 2nd creation.




---jerry6593 on 11/2/13


Warwick
I'll leave this discussion as is. If I ever find anything else that supports my position, I'll let you know.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts with me.
---David on 11/1/13


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Trav, regarding "stranger" how long do you imagine it took (considering Adam lived hundreds of years) for some of his multiple generations of descendants to become strangers to him?

You have it wrong, again, Adam and Eve in Genesis 1 were both made (Genesis 1:26 Hebrew asah) and created. (Genesis 1:27 Hebrew bara), in Gods image.

2:7 The Lord God formed (Hebrew yasar) the man. How is this something different from Chapter 1? Made and formed are synonyms-made or formed they were created.

The meaning of Genesis 6:2 "is an answer in itself." Then you go straight to the top of the class as leading theologians do not believe the meaning is self-evident, at all.
---Warwick on 11/1/13


David, yours is indeed an interesting speculation however I will repeat Genesis 2 is not an account of creation as it does not cover the creation of earth, sun, moon, stars, seas, land, sky, sea creatures, creeping creatures etc.

Also in Mark 10:6 Jesus explains the basis of marriage and says 'But from the beginning of creation, "God made them male and female."' Only 1 creation here.

Verse 8 "and the two shall become one flesh."

David take particular notice of this as these are the words of the Creator who here, in discussing the same two people, quotes Genesis 1:27 (verse 6), and 2:24 (verse 8). Therefore Jesus says there is only 1 creation and He is a unique position to know the truth.
---Warwick on 11/1/13


Gen 1:27 So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him, male and female created he them.
Gen 5:1-2 This [is] the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him, Male and female created he them, and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
Gen 2:4 These [are] the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
--Too many witnesses--one creation event--do not rely on your own understanding.
---micha9344 on 11/1/13


Jerry some time ago we had a man here who tended to believe things about Genesis which are contrary to that written. I had a few 'conversations' with him on and off line and I could see he was carefully considering the Scriptures I had given in support of what I believe. This, I believe, is a sign of a Bible believer. Others, to their own condemnation prefer anything other than what is written. You can do nothing with them as Scripture is not their ultimate authority.
---Warwick on 11/1/13


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Can you show me anywhere in Scripture where there is mention of 2 creations?

Warwick
I believe the evidence is very clear in (Genesis 1 & 2).

In the (Genesis 1), the 6 day chronology, God created everything before man, and in the (Genesis 2) chronology, God created the garden of Eden, and everything else was created after Adam.

In (Genesis 1) it is clear that plants, trees, birds, and other creatures came days before man.

In (Genesis 2) it is clear that the Plants, trees, birds, and all living creatures came after Adam.

BTW, I said Eden was created after the 6 day creation, on the Earth. So there was no reason for God to re-create the Stars, moon, etc.
---David on 11/1/13


Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation,
--One blood, Adam
---micha9344 on 10/31/13

The term one blood was not in the original manuscripts.

If one looks openly, there is no need to be repetitive in Genesis. Gen 1 is first creation male/female. Gen 2 is Adam and Eve. GOD can do what he likes whether denom's approve or not.
First Gen men did not till the earth. 2 Gen Adam did.
Cain married into the first creation as did the son's of GOD, Adam/Eves offspring in Gen 6.
---Trav on 11/1/13


David, Genesis Ch. 1 covers the creation of everything, chronologically.

Genesis Ch.2 is man-centered, recapping the creation of the man and woman, providing details not provided in Ch.1. It is not another creation account as it doesn't mention the creation of the earth, sun, moon, stars, seas, land, sky, sea creatures, creeping creatures etc.

God did create the earth (Genesis 1:1) and on this earth "the LORD God planted a garden in Eden, in the east, and there he put the man whom he had formed." After the fall Adam and Eve were banished from the garden, to live elsewhere upon the earth.

Can you show me anywhere in Scripture where there is mention of 2 creations?
---Warwick on 11/1/13


Warwick: It is fascinating how some individuals refuse to believe what is clearly written in scripture, while being absolutely sure about things not mentioned therein. Cognitive dissonance maybe?




---jerry6593 on 11/1/13


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Cluny a 'furphy' is an untrue story, an urban myth maybe.
---Warwick on 10/31/13


\\ I believe this is a furphy as we do not take literature literally but we take it as written unless there is good reason not to do so.\\

Furphy? Can you define this? You're using a term with which I'm unfamiliar.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/31/13


Mark 10:6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him, male and female created he them.
Mark 10:7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife,
Genesis 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
--Same account- Gen 1 summarizes the days.
--Gen 2 details the 6th day when man was created.
Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation,
--One blood, Adam
---micha9344 on 10/31/13


Cluny, you wrote "if Genesis is to be interpreted strictly and literally." I believe this is a furphy as we do not take literature literally but we take it as written unless there is good reason not to do so. For example if reading a certain piece of literature, consider: is it poetical in form, is it metaphorical etc. Genesis was written in prosaic Hebrew a style of straight-forward language akin to that used in instruction manuals. It is good to remember that Jesus and the apostles quoted from or alluded to the first 11 chapters of Genesis alone no less that 107 times, and always as straight-forward historical reality. Should we trust they were correct, or not?
---Warwick on 10/31/13


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\\And where did Cain's wife come from?\\

It doesn't follow that Cain found a mate immediately after murdering his brother. It could have been 20 years or so later that he met his sister.

After all, after this, Genesis does say that Adam and Eve had other sons and daughters.

Don't forget that people lived 800-900 years back then, if Genesis is to be interpreted strictly and literally.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/31/13


Where do you believe the daughters of men came from in (Genesis 6:4), if Adam and Eve were Gods only creation of man?
And where did Cain's wife come from?
---David on 10/30/13

He won't answer you scripturally. On this or any areas connected to Israel. He would have to recant 600 times.
Men women of Genesis 1 are created.
Adam of Gen 2 was a different word.... formed.
The Sons of GOD in Gen 6:2 seeing the daughters of "men" is an answer in itself.

There are 5 Hebrew words for stranger. There wouldn't be five if all came from Adam. All would be extended family.
---Trav on 10/31/13


Do we really know how much time had passed between the time Adam and Eve were created and ...
---Merrilee on 10/28/13

To be sure on anything scriptural use witnesses. In this case there are two Genesis accts. David on here is covering aspects seldom mentioned on this site.
Adam was to take care of Eden....Gen 1 man was to subdue the earth.
The book is 95 % about Adam and his family.
Deu_32:8 When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
Now preacher/controller types hate these type verses so...prepare to be discouraged by them from asking/probing scriptural questions.
---Trav on 10/31/13


Warwick
You believe that (Genesis 1 & 2) are speaking of the same creation of the Earth.
I believe it speaks of two different creations, the Earth (Genesis 1) and a garden on Earth in a place called Eden (Genesis 2).

My question is that if it is speaking of one creation, why do you think (Genesis 1) calls the creation Earth, and (Genesis 2) call that creation Eden?
---David on 10/31/13


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Warwick, Thanks for your (answer?) I see as usual we are seldom on the same page!
Your remarks are conjecture and speculation, not scriptural!
That's your answer "The whole creation "suffered"?
Are not the angels part of God's creation?
But ,like you say, you don't want to talk about it, that's your perogative!
---1st_cliff on 10/30/13


David, I think we can draw from Scripture that Cains wife was a sister or close relative. They were not legally forbidden to so marry, nor was there any physical/genetic reason not to do so.

As regards the Sons of God/daughters of men there are many views but I have never been able to satisfy myself as to what this means. Gill believes the verse is talking about the Nephilim (giants) heroes of old, men of renown who were already in existence before "the sons of God went to the daughters of men..." Some believe the sons of God were sons of Seth, while daughters of men were daughters of Cain. But does it matter?
---Warwick on 10/30/13


Cliff as I recently explained I believe correspondence with you is pointless and I will not continue.

I will however answer this question lest you complain that I do not do so. I am not talking about angels. If there existed a people not of the line of Adam and Eve then they, though not part of Adam's sin, would have suffered under the curse:Genesis 3:17 shows the very "ground" was cursed because of Adams sin. Romans 8:22 shows the whole of creation suffered under the curse.

You should know all of this (and more) and not ask such questions.
---Warwick on 10/30/13


Warwick, **they would have been cursed by God though Adam's sin**
Where did you get this idea from?
Since angels don't procreate are all angels cursed though satan's sin???
---1st_cliff on 10/30/13


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Shira Scripture says Adam was the first man, (1 Corinthians 15:45) and that Eve is the mother of all living-Genesis 3:20. Throughout the OT and NT genealogies are given showing only Adam as the ancestor of all people, and he who brought the curse upon the whole of creation-Romans 8:22.

The Bible does not even hint there were other humans created after Adam and Eve, and of course if they existed they would have been cursed by God, through Adam's sin, even though they were not of his line, and did not sin, as Adam.

Don't you think it better to feed upon what God has written, for our every need, rather than waste time speculating upon something never mentioned?
---Warwick on 10/29/13


Warwick
Back to the questions left open on this subject:

Where do you believe the daughters of men came from in (Genesis 6:4), if Adam and Eve were Gods only creation of man?
And where did Cain's wife come from?
---David on 10/30/13


Shira,

Scripture declares "And so it is written, 'The first man Adam became a living being.'" (1 Corinthians 15:44-46)

Now, if you want to argue with Paul and say he's wrong or hasn't made it sufficiently clear or that "first man" can mean 'not first man' (just like the donkeys who argue that '6 + days' does not equal 6 days), then be my guest.
---Marc on 10/30/13


Merilee, the only people on the earth were Adam and Eve, their children, and their children's children, leading to Noah and his family, from whom we all descended.
---Warwick on 10/29/13


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Shira, Two reasons,
#1 They would still be alive today because they wouldn't have inherited Adam's sin which causes people to die.
#2 Being a different creation they could not breed with Adam's linage ! (cross breed)
---1st_cliff on 10/29/13


cliff, how do you know there weren't other people on earth. God made the first man from the dust but no one knows if he made others. no, Im not saying there were but I am saying the bible does not elaborate or mention there were others but just an analogy. If God thought it was important, He would have put it in genesis.
---shira4368 on 10/28/13


Merrilee ,Apart from the geneology of Adam and Eve , there were no "other people" on earth!
---1st_cliff on 10/28/13


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