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What Age Born Again

Fellow Christians, at what age were you born again? Where did it happen? Was it a gradual dawning of the truth which suddenly 'clicked' or a very dramatic conversion?
Prior to that were you a regular church goer or a newcomer?

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Markv, again if Adam never sinned, when exactly would he have to be born of the spirit, Since he was never born of the spirit in the first place.

And if you sin today, does your spirit die again, like you claim Adams did?

You continue to insist the old Adam needsto be re-birthed AGAIN after his spirit died when he sinned. That is clearly reincarnation, and has NOTHING to do with being Born of God, Born from Above or Born Again.

"AGAIN" does NOT mean a second time being born of the spirit. THAT is where your false gospel has derailed.

It's a false gospel you teach.

---kathr4453 on 11/23/13

Micha, yea that is a hoot!

Here's a question...if as Markv said man is born with a 'dead' spirit, are the dead burying the dead man's dead spirit, or his physical body.

I've just never heard of man burying a "dead spirit before"

What a hoot.

I know Benny Hinn said he would stand over Amy Carmichael's grave to get in touch with her spirit so some of her anointing would rub off on him.

People come up with the craziest things concerning their idea of "dead".
---kathr4453 on 11/23/13

Kathr, you now claim there is no one spiritually dead. Claiming Jesus was wrong, that a person does not need to be born of the Spirit. He just lied.
"Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, that which is born of the Spirit is spirit" (John 3:5,6). you are teaching that man in the flesh is not separate from God. Spiritual death is separation from God who is Spirit. That they don't need to be born of the Spirit, made spiritually alive.
Your wrong "But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God" (1 Cor. 2:14). The flesh profits nothing.
---Mark_V. on 11/23/13

Matt 8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me, and let the dead bury their dead.
What a hoot.
---micha9344 on 11/22/13

JamesL, it's funny, you can't be born without something you never had to begin with, so this terminology, "spiritually dead" is a hoot.

Just more made up nonsense for the Gnostics to munch on.

They need to learn to munch on Jesus instead.
---kathr4453 on 11/22/13

you're right, to a large degree. But there are plenty of theologians who have embraced the Traducian position.

it's really nothing more than a philosophical attempt to reconcile the impossible notion that we are born spiritually dead on account of a physical relation to Adam.

Many empty doctrines sprung from the false notion of original sin
---James_L on 11/22/13

Funny JamesL because the majority of "reformed" believe the opposite of Markv and believe in creationism.
---kathr4453 on 11/20/13

James L, if your question was to which theory do I believe in concerning traducianism and creationism, I would support traducianism. For many reasons. What I believe happens is that every time the Church fought against heretics, they had to come out and define certain things. Both have good points and bad points, I completely disagree with A.A Hodge, though he was a great godly man.
---Mark_V. on 11/20/13

Age 38 I was alone and had knowledge of God. I had even attempted to find God but I missed the key point. Somehow I failed to understand that giving my life to God meant my whole life, every part not just what I wanted. So after many years of trying everything to satisfy the void and failing miserably I finally broke down and with a right heart totally submitted I reached out. The change was radical! Prior to this I was not a regular church goer. In fact this happened on my knees in my bedroom before I ever came to a church.
---Matthew on 11/20/13

the question you asked about is in the blog - "how to get baptized"

Traducianism is the teaching that our spirit is procreated from our parents. I don't know of anyone teaching it before Tertullian.

The opposing position is called Creationism. It is not the same Creationism as in the debate against evolution. It simply means that God creates each spirit individually

of course, there are other views such as Preexistence
---James_L on 11/20/13

James L, I put down the explanation for (John 7:39). The answer is in (v.38). The significance of Jesus invitation centers in the fact that He was the fulfillment of all the Feast of Tabernacles anticipated, He was the One who provided the living water that gives eternal life (4:10,11) but not before His fulfillment. Before His crucifixion, the Spirit had been given to all those in the Old Testament who believed, but not as rivers of living waters, but after Pentecost the Spirit of God's minsitry would expand:
"He who believes in Me as the Scriptures has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water. He was speaking for the Spirit (v. 39).
---Mark_V. on 11/19/13


what do you mean - you don't have an answer for John 7:39 ?? Are you not called to have an answer ?

You come along with garbage theology, cherry-picking verses that say NOTHING what you say.

then "guess" that I've taken Jesus' words out of context because of quotation marks??

You need to stop KJV searching for single words, and actually study.

then maybe you'll know that "upon" is NOT the same thing as "dwell in"

and maybe you won't use verses like Eccl 12:7 so heinously.

That is scriptural abuse, and you ought to be ashamed of yourself
---James_L on 11/19/13

James L, you asked me a question on one blog, but I cannot find out which blog it was. you used a word I had not heard of and yesterday I was going to answer you but a friend of mine came from Texas and I put it off answering you, now I cannot find the blog. Can you lead me to it? Thanks
---Mark_V. on 11/19/13

James_L, I gave a few verses of OT people being indwelled with the Spirit. Do you not believe in those verses? Even Mary, mother of Jesus, was indwelled with the Spirit before the verse John 7:39.

James_L wrote: "Jesus told His disciples "He IS with you, and WILL BE in you"

God has been telling his people that since the beginning.

As for Jn 7:39, I haven't an answer, but it looks as though it was taken out of context for it is in parentheses.
---Steveng on 11/18/13

The Holy Spirit indwelled many belivers in the Old Testament as I quoted the passages on (11/13/13) but not as "streams of living water" as in after Pentecost.
(John 14:17) v. 39 gives us a clue concerning the meaning of that phrase. In the gospel of John, Jesus glorification refers to His offering of Himself on the cross and the completion of His earthly work. The passage suggest that the Holy Spirit had not manifested Himself in a way that could be spoken of as streams of living water flowing from the hearts of believers, and would not manifest Himself in this way until Christ had finished His earthly ministry. The pharse "streams of living water" was going to be fulfilled in a special manifestation at Pentecost.
---Mark_V. on 11/18/13

if you think the Holy Spirit lived in OT believers, then just how do you reconcile:

John 14:17
Jesus told His disciples "He IS with you, and WILL BE in you

Would you suggest that Jesus, for three years, sent out unbelievers to preach a gospel they didn't believe?

We are now the temple of the Holy Spirit. Why even have OT tabernacles and temples?
---James_L on 11/17/13

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wivv: "There is no particular age for becoming a Christian."

Does an infant or toddler know God, Holy Spirit, or Jesus?

Does an infant or toddler have any concept of sin or repentance?

Does an infant or toddler have any concept of being born again or the resurrection?

Does an infant or toddler have any concept of the Ten Commandments?

We are all born into sin (not knowing the Ten Commandments) and when we are old enough, being trained by our parents, we will then have concept all all of God's teachings. If it weren't for the Word of God, we would all be feral.
---Steveng on 11/16/13

There is no particular age for becoming a Christian. In my case I was 14 and it happen at a Christian, Interdenominational youth camp in the state of Maryland. It took my a year to really make a firm decision to accept Christ. (I wanted to make sure that speaker who talked about a person needing Christ as Savior, knew what He was talking about so I spent a year studying the Bible from the age of 13 to 14. ) I was raised in a church and attended on a regular bases.
---wivv on 11/14/13

James_L: "The Holy Spirit had not been given yet, as is made absolutely clear later in this same gospel (Jn 7:39)"

I guess my post wasn't accepted to answer you so I'll try again.

The Holy Spirit, the spirit of knowledge and wisdom, is in each person of the Old Testament:

Exodus 28:3
Exodus 31:3
Exodus 35:31
Numbers 11:29
Deuteronomy 34:9
Joshua 5:1
Judges 3:10
1 Samuel 10:10
1 Samuel 16:13, 14
2 Samuel 23:2
Job 32:8, 18
Psalm 51:11, 12
Proverbs 1:23
Ecclesiastes 12:7
Isaiah 11:2
Isaiah 61:1
Isaiah 63:11
Ezekiel 2:2
Ezekiel 11:19
Micah 3:8

The Spirit of God moved those who showed strength in faith.
---Steveng on 11/13/13

.....for behold I bring you good tidings of great joy which shall be to all the people: for there is born to you this day in the city of David a SAVIOUR, who is Christ the Lord."

JESUS is our Saviour! Luke 2.
---Rita_H on 11/13/13

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How do we know jesus is the saviour? He never actually says those words.
Where does jesus say he from his mouth while on earth that he is the savior...the actual words?
---aka on 11/10/13

Mat_18:11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
Luk_19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
Jer_50:6 My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, ...
Mat_10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat_15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Proof you are looking for is found by seeking through other words. Redeem/redeemed/for-ever, everlasting, only etc.
---Trav on 11/13/13

Today God is creating a new species of humanity, neither Jew nor Gentile. Just as Adam was not born but was created, we go from the old creation into the new creation as we go from Adam into Christ.
Regeneration is associated with Gods program for both Israel and the Body of Christ. Regeneration for a few in the kingdom program made them a part of a "born again" nation, as a nation, Israel was born the first time when God led them out of Egypt. Two passages that make this clear are Ex.4:22 and Deut. 32:18.
Regeneration for a person in the dispensation of grace makes him a part of the Body of Christ, a "NEW creation"
---michael_e on 11/13/13

John 3:19_23 "And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God."

"Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?"

Isaiah 1:16_18 "Wash you, make you clean, put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes, cease to do evil,
Learn to do well, seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.
Come now,..."
---Nana on 11/13/13

Indwelling of the Holy Spirit did happen in the Old Testament. Though it was not the norm as in Pentecost, the Spirit indwelled many in the Old Testament.
Pharaoh recognized the indwelling of the Spirit in Joseph (Gen. 41:38), the Spirit indwelled Joshua in (Num. 27:18) The Spirit indwelled Daniel ( Dan. 4:8: 5:11-14: 6:3). The preposition "in" in all verses is "beth" in Hebrews.
The New Testament tells us that the Spirit was in all prophets and gave them discernment and wisdom (1 Peter 1:11) We are also told that John the Baptist had the Spirit in him, and the disciples before Pentecost were indwelled by the Spirit in (John 20:22) Christ bestowed the Holy Spirit in them while He was still with them.
---Mark_V. on 11/13/13

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1 Corinthians 10:4
And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Darlene1, this may be the verse you are looking for.
---kathr4453 on 11/12/13

You're going to have to put a little effort into explaining how you think Jesus in John 3:5 was talking about the Holy Spirit indwelling the believer.

The Holy Spirit had not been given yet, as is made absolutely clear later in this same gospel (Jn 7:39)

That also offers nothing for an explanation as to what He meant by "water and spirit"

He was, after all, speaking of being born again, not being indwelt.

Though they happen at the same time now, indwelling did not happen in the Old Testament.

And, though they happen at the same time, they are NOT synonymous.
---James_L on 11/12/13

Steven, what you just said is very true,
"The Holy Spirit dwells in the bodly of each genuine christian." That is explained in (1 Cor. 12:11-13) Spiritual baptism is when all believers are placed into the body of Christ. It is a spiritual baptism.
Then you say," It's unfortuneate that a majority of christians stop at water baptism never recieving the Holy Spirit. Act 19:1-7" Water baptism is the act of each individual believer submitting himself to being baptize in water as Jesus did. Spiritual baptism is a act of God on the believer.
---Mark_V. on 11/12/13

James_L: "water and spirit are our body and our spirit. I don't believe "spirit" should be capitalized."

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. John 3:5

The spirit IS capitalized because it is speaking of the Holy Spirit.

Also read:
1 John 5:6
1 John 5:8
John 1:33
John 7:39
Acts 2:4
1 Corinthians 2:13
1 Corinthians 12:3
Ephesians 1:13
1 Thessalonians 4:8

The Holy Spirit dwells in the bodly of each genuine christian. It's unfortuneate that a majority of christians stop at water baptism never recieving the Holy Spirit. Act 19:1-7
---Steveng on 11/11/13

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My fingers were typing ahead of my brain in my post below. I, obviously, meant to say 'conversion' and not 'conversation'. Sorry folks.
---Rita_H on 11/11/13

water and spirit are our body and our spirit. I don't believe "spirit" should be capitalized.

Jesus had just mentioned flesh and spirit, now water and spirit.
Water = our flesh, spirit = our spirit

Born "anew" in body and spirit.

Why did He not not say "born again of water and spirit" ??

John 1:13 also does not contain the word "again" when it is said that we are "born" of God

Regeneration of our body (see Matt 19:28) at the resurrection, while spirit regeneration (see Titus 3:5) at conversion

Both body and spirit are washed, and BOTH must be cleansed to enter the Kingdom, when Jesus returns
---James_L on 11/11/13

Grandma, the history of your conversion is very similar to my own. I was brought up in an Anglican church but left there after a serious issue - going nowhere for a few months but then attended a Methodist Church. There I heard to gospel preached, heard prayers from the heart (not from a book) and was saved a week before Easter 1961 at the age of 18.

Hearing the testimonies of many others helped bring about my conversation. I know God placed me there.

The church I used to attend regularly had 500 people, it now has a congregation of 12.

I thank God for the incident which made me move.
---Rita_H on 11/11/13


the western culture relies on concrete thinking. That is how the eastern world speaks. They speak mainly in allegory.

How do we know jesus is the saviour? He never actually says those words. Messiah and christ mean annointed one. Where does jesus say he from his mouth while on earth that he is the savior...the actual words?
---aka on 11/10/13

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Another case of what "born again" means. Many different answers, many different denominations
There is doctrinal disunity largely due to failing to recognize the greater commission given to the apostle Paul to us-ward (Eph 3:1-9).
Failing to distinguish Pauls ministry of the mystery of Christ to all men from the ministry of the Twelve apostles to prophetic Israel, brings confusion.
Divisions are created when a doctrine to Israel is combined with a mystery truth. There are hundreds of combinations of these wrong mixtures, there are hundreds of churches.
Separating prophecy and mystery promotes unity around sound doctrine.
---michael_e on 11/10/13

Look to the bible for examples.

Jesus was baptised in water. If it weren't so, he would have said so.

The apostles baptised with water. If it weren't so, they would have said so.

One must be at the age of accountability in order to be baptised for a child does not have any concept of the repentance of sins nor of baptism. A baby at birth does not have any concept of repentance, of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment so, therefore, should not be baptised until later in life when one understands.

It's unfortunate that most people are only baptised in water never going on to the Holy Ghost baptism.
---Steveng on 11/10/13

Thank you all for your answers. aka I read John 7:37,38 and I guess I am thick because with all the answers about this I haven't seen one that says Jesus is the living water and thats what I would really like to see. Blessings
---Darlene_1 on 11/10/13

Darlene, read john 7:37-38.
---aka on 11/10/13

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When we drink from the Words of Jesus, study them and practice them, we become the living water. "In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, if any man is thirsty, let him come unto me and drink. He who believes me, as the scripture has said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water." John 7:37-53.
---barb on 11/10/13

1 Corinthains 10:4 - And did all drink : for they drank of spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ,
---RICHARDC on 11/9/13

aka I searched the New Testament to find where it says Jesus is the living water and couldn't find it. I found John 4:10 (the woman at the well)He told her you would have ask Him and He would have given you living water. Also John 4:14 but whoever drinks the water I give him will never thirst,indeed the water I give him will become a spring of water welling up to eternal life. All I found didn't say Jesus is the living water therefore please give me the chapter and verse as I would like to read it. All water and food is pure when sanctified by the word of prayer. Thanks. Blessings
---Darlene_1 on 11/9/13

"Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit ".

The water part has nothing to do with "literal", "amniotic", or "ritual".
Water is earthly so, a Man must be born "again" (John 3:3), into a new life composed of a new earthly manifestation of being.
Peter says, 1 Peter 3:21 "The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:"

Say what you will but, a life which does not show the love of God in the simple terms of human interaction will be hard pressed to pretend to any a Spiritual birth (1 John 3:14).
---Nana on 11/9/13

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An imperative is different than a command. It is an imperative that we are baptized in the spirit. It is nothing that we have any power over. No man made ritual will get us there. There are many who are baptized in water and the lord will not recognize them.
---aka on 11/9/13

Sis. Darline, your explanation is found in (Rom. 6:3-5). Literal water baptism is symbolic, and commanded for all born of the Spirit. It's a public acceptance of the faith we have in Christ.
"or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death. Therefore we were buried wit Him through baptism into death, and as Christ was raised from the death by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life"
Remembering that the spiritual baptism is different, it is Spiritual "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewal of the Holy Spirit" (Titus 3:5).
---Mark_V. on 11/9/13


I am not trying to convince you of anything nor am I trying to put down anyone's rituals which are like paul said "shadows of things to come."

most have a hard time letting go of the physical. It is for most grace + .... for me, it is simply god's grace that saves no matter if I add or take away.
---aka on 11/9/13

In utero...not vitro.

darlene, I do see your point. But I think from where the water from is very important to christianity. Jesus is the Living Water. There is no other water. Other water from any other source is impure. Even the water from woman conceived of man. Jesus is the real washing. And his blood and water is pure and incorruptible.
---aka on 11/8/13

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I still do not agree and see nothing convincing in what you just stated aka.
---Nana on 11/8/13

Nana, the parallel

an infant formed and washed in water (there are three washings in vitro)

a "man" formed and washed in the blood of christ.
---aka on 11/8/13

Nana, the parallel

an infant formed and washed in water (there are three washings in vitro)

a "man" formed and washed in the blood of christ.
---aka on 11/8/13

aka remember when we are baptised we are buried with Christ,dead to our life of sin and who we were,and just like Christ arose from the dead and lives,we too come up out of that water alive through Christ and born again a new creature in Christ. Where the water comes from doesn't matter,it is the change that takes place where our sins are washed off of us,so to speak,we are cleansed from the fleshly,mortal man and become a Spiritual man,born again,walking in the newness of the Spirit. I hope that helps you understand where I am coming from. Blessings
---Darlene_1 on 11/8/13

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I do not agree with the amniotic understanding as it reads "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit ".
Amniotic fluid is associated with a baby whereas the verse speaks of a man being born.

John 3:22_23 "After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea, and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized."
---Nana on 11/7/13

Kathr4453 thanks so much for defending what I put down,it means a lot to me to have a Sister-in-Christ like you. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 11/7/13


that makes more sense now.

So, you believe that born of the water means water from a tap or river (ritually)?

I take that to mean amniotic fluid aka water. Thus, born (physically) and born again (spiritually).
---aka on 11/7/13

aka sorry I didn't give verses on that to begin with,certainly I'll give the verse now. The best way I can explain is with the Bible,it wasn't from 1 Peter, but John 3:5 Jesus answered Verily,verily,I say unto thee,Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. Kathr4453 thank you I'm glad you verify its true. MarkV its always good to have added verses on a subject.
---Darlene_1 on 11/7/13

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I don't believe darlene1 needed any additions to what she said.
---kathr4453 on 11/7/13

Sis. Darline, I would like to add to what you said by adding the (verse 22 with 23). It is important to know that those Peter was talking to where already brethren and had the Spirit of God already.
"Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart, having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the Word of God which lives and abides forever,"
The brethren purified their souls by obeying the truth through the Spirit. They were born again of incorruptible Seed. The Spirit uses the Word to produce life.
Literal water does not produce life as some others might believe.
---Mark_V. on 11/7/13

Darlene, I am not sure how you included 'of the water' using 1 peter. I see a baptism in the blood of christ in which we are born again. Could you please explain?
---aka on 11/7/13

I was born again at age 17. I attended the Roman Catholic Church every Sunday morning, and a fundamental church every Sunday evening. Easter Sunday, 1975 was the last Mass I attended. My overall conversion was gradual.
---Grandma on 11/7/13

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I was Born again at the age of 22. While away at college. My Grandmother had taken me to church as a child. My sister took me to mass about the same time.

But as I grew older I was not sure GOD existed. In fact I pretty much believed there was not god but I was not sure.

Most churches gave me no reason to believe in the Bible. No proof it was the word of GOD. Just threated me with hell if I did not believe.

Members of the Seventh day Adventist church showed me proof and spent time answering my question. It took over a year of Bible study before I was willing to accept JESUS as my Savior.
---Samuelbb7 on 11/7/13

Amen Darlene1. Absolutely truth.
---kathr4453 on 11/6/13

1 Peter 1:23 since you have been born again not of perishable seed but imperishable through the living and enduring Word of God. 1 Peter 1:3 (A new birth to a living Hope) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead. This tells us how we are born again and of the water and the spirit tells us what we are born of. Our mortal body then becomes immortal through Jesus.
---Darlene_1 on 11/6/13

All baptism isn't water
1 Cor 10 Baptism unto Moses, "dry baptism"
Matt 3 John water baptized. John tells of another baptism performed by one who was mighter than I Matt 3:11 Acts 1:4-5 "dry baptism"
Paul, says ... One Lord, one faith, ONE BAPTISM, Eph 4:4-5 "dry baptism"
Paul isn't ignorant, he knew of more than one baptism. but there is only one baptism in the current dispensation required for salvation. He explains this baptism by the Spirit in 1 Cor 12:13, Col 2:11-12, and Titus 3:4-6.
Today our baptism is performed by God by the Spirit into the body of Christ after we believe. This immersion into Christ identifies us with Christ, his death and his resurrection.
---michael_e on 11/6/13

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Cluny, I never said such a thing. Now please answer my question. Please provide the scripture where Jesus states that born again means water baptism. You said he did. Now please provide the sctipture.
---Jed on 11/6/13

Cluny, about scripture regarding baptism that does not necessarily mean submersion in water...

Ephesians 4:4-6

john said that he baptizes with water and Jesus baptizes with spirit.

that is two baptisms. So, do you think that paul was refering to baptism... in water or in spirit?
---aka on 11/6/13

\\Please show me where in scripture Jesus specifically said that "Born Again" means "baptized in water".
---Jed on 11/4/13\\

Please show me where in scripture "baptism" without qualification does not mean "water baptism".

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/6/13

// I was Born again at the age of 22//
How did you know you were "born again"?
---michael_e on 11/5/13

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I guess to me, it does not matter when I say I was. It only matters if jesus recognizes the spirit in me that belongs to God.
---aka on 11/5/13

Samuel, you had said:
"MarkV No one that I know of teaches that we save ourselves with freewill. At least of those churches who still believe in the Bible." Do you not teach that you came to Christ out of your own free will? It was your own works that made you reach out to the salvation you believe was waiting for you. It was not God drawing you to Himself, it was you drawing yourself towards Christ because you exercised your free will. Your own works. you forget the condition of the unsaved,
"For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God. for it does not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be." (Rom. 8:6,7).
---Mark_V. on 11/5/13

I was Born again at the age of 22. While I was away at college. I had spent over a year in study by people who answered my questions on why could I trust the Bible. What about all the errors in the Bible I had heard about. What about Evolution? Along with many others. After being Born again I was baptized into the Seventh day Adventist church.
---Samuelbb7 on 11/4/13

The first covenant couldn't provide what the new covenant would through the Spirit. All who received the Spirit of the new covenant at Pentecost would be part of that born again nation of Israel.
Then, a mystery was dispensed from the Lord to Paul. He was sent to minister to Gentiles an unknown dominion in heavenly places.
Like the covenanted earthly kingdom, Gentiles needed to receive the Spirit. However, Gentiles were never born unto God in the flesh. Gentiles having no history as Gods people, couldn't be born a second time as the nation Israel.
Israel had been born of God for years and required to be born again, the Gentiles in Pauls ministry were taking part in an entirely new creature (2 Cor 5:17, Eph 1:10)
---michael_e on 11/4/13

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\\Cluny LOL. Yoy never cease to amaze. Aren't you the one that says becoming born again means getting baptised?
---Jed on 11/4/13\\

No, not me.


Glory to Jesus Christ!

---Cluny on 11/4/13

Please show me where in scripture Jesus specifically said that "Born Again" means "baptized in water".
---Jed on 11/4/13

\\Cluny LOL. Yoy never cease to amaze. Aren't you the one that says becoming born again means getting baptised?
---Jed on 11/4/13\\

No, not me.


Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/4/13

In my sort of Roman Catholicism, I was taught a little bit about right from wrong, but not really how to submit to God and relate in His love. And I could have major temper and worry problems and insecurity and not have a clue that "Perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment." (in 1 John 4:18)

Then I went through a getting "saved" thing, but then I was just being critical of others.

So, I got pretty frustrated. Then the "thief on the cross" came to mind. All he knew was he needed Jesus, I understood. So, I offered myself to Jesus to do what He knew He really wanted to do with me.

And now I have examples who help me get a clue that I need to learn how to love.
---willie_c: on 11/4/13

Cluny LOL. Yoy never cease to amaze. Aren't you the one that says becoming born again means getting baptised?
---Jed on 11/4/13

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You will get many definitions of the phrase "born again", first mentioned by Jesus to a ruler of Israel (the circumcision) in John 3:3. By this time Israel had a long history with God. They were Gods people for centuries.
They were born unto God when they were delivered from Egypt as Gods nation. They had a covenant with God to prove they were Gods people.
"... even my firstborn: Ex 4:22
After years of breaking the covenant with God, Israel was in no shape to enter their covenanted kingdom. Being born a Jew in the flesh wasn't sufficient: Matt 3:9
Israel needed to be born a second time with the Spirit to fulfill their covenants.
---michael_e on 11/4/13

Keep in mind, Rita, that there's as great deal of difference between what you are meaning by being born again, and what the Bible means by being born again.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/4/13

"That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit."
John 3:6-8

Why even go where we are told no one knows but the Spirit of God?
---christan on 11/3/13

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