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New Birth For Salvation

Is the new birth essential for salvation? (The reason I ask is that I was recently told of a denomination that stated if a person was baptized they did not require the new birth for salvation.) What are your thoughts. Please give scripture.

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 ---trey on 11/7/13
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Bro. Richard, your right. Necodemus was a renowned master teacher of Israel. Jesus reply emphasized the spiritual bankruptcy of the nation at that time, since even one of the greatest Jewish teachers did not recognized this teaching on spiritual cleansing based clearly in the Old Testament (v,5) When water is used figuratively in the Old T. it habitually refers to renewal or spiritual cleansing, especially when used in conjunction with "spirit" (Num. 19:17: Ps. 51:9,10: Is. 32:15: 44:3-5: 55:1-3: jer. 2:13). Jesus made reference to the spiritual washing or purification of the soul, accomplished by the Holy Spirit through the Word of God at the moment of salvation (Eph. 5:26: Titus 3:5) required for belonging to His Kingdom.
---Mark_V. on 11/18/13


Karthr - No one was baptize into Christ death resulting in born again /

Nicodemus was marvel when Christ said a man must be Born again - Christ admonish him for Not knowing This - Refer - John 3:10 - He was a member of the Jews council - Art Thou a master of Israel - Well verse in OT scripture - And Christ said He Should of known This !
---RICHARDC on 11/15/13


Ruben, you say,
"Why would Jesus tell us in Mk 16:16 " And be baptized will be saved" Because
"He who believes and is baptized will be saved" Those who believe first are called to be baptized in water.
Then ask,
If God and Spirit are real why is baptism symobolic?" Because God wanted it that way.
then ask,
"Why if it means nothing?" It means something to God. What He did, and wants us to do.
Then ask:
"Mark_V. * Dead to sin, Alive to God:
If dead is real and so is sin, then again why is baptism symbolic?"
Dead in sin mean spiritual death. Separation from God. As believers we are baptize unto His death. Read (Rom. 6:3,4).
---Mark_V. on 11/11/13


Cluny, (John 6:3,4) speaks of spiritual baptism into Christ. Not water baptism. Open your Bible, go to John chapter 6 and then read (v. 3,4). Actually read the whole Bible, that might help.
---Mark_V. on 11/11/13


\\making very clear that John the Baptist baptism, was not the same baptism of John 6.\\

John 6 says NOTHING about Baptism.

It's talking about the Eucharist.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/9/13




Seems as though some here are starting to see that no one on the OT was baptized into Christ death resulting in being Born Again, unless of coarse we have those quoting scripture they really don't understand.

Peter also tells us this being baptized with water using the flood as a type, is that of death, ((not the washing away of the sin of the flesh,))but a purged conscience towards God by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, making very clear that John the Baptist baptism, was not the same baptism of John 6.
---kathr4453 on 11/9/13


Mark_V. * Sis. Rita, I agree with what you said. If a person has no testimony that he is born of the Spirit, yet gets baptized, it means nothing.

Why would Jesus tell us in Mk 16:16 " And be baptized will be saved"

Mark_V. * Our baptism is symbolic of what God has already done for us, made us spiritually alive by the Spirit.

If God and Spirit are real why is baptism symobolic?

Mark_V. * As believers we are called to be baptized. It is a public acceptance.

Why if it means nothing?

Mark_V. * Dead to sin, Alive to God:

If dead is real and so is sin, then again why is baptism symbolic?
---Ruben on 11/9/13


Sis. Rita, I agree with what you said. If a person has no testimony that he is born of the Spirit, yet gets baptized, it means nothing. Our baptism is symbolic of what God has already done for us, made us spiritually alive by the Spirit. As believers we are called to be baptized. It is a public acceptance. Dead to sin, Alive to God:
"or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ were baptized into His death? Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life" (Rom. 6:3,4).
---Mark_V. on 11/9/13


\\If a person has no testimony to give they are not born again.\\

Where's your scripture for this, Rita?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/8/13


A person should be born again before asking to be baptised. If a person has no testimony to give they are not born again.

I say this in reference to people who are physically capable of 'giving' their testimony so, of course, there will be some disabled people who will love Jesus with all their hearts but be unable to tell others about that. God knows His own.
---Rita_H on 11/8/13




"Is the new birth essential for salvation?" Yes
"Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." Jhn 3:3
"Sanctify them through your truth: your word is truth." Jhn 17:17
We are saved "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy [Spirit], Tts 3:5
That he might sanctify and cleanse 'it', (the body of Christ), with the washing of water by the word.Eph 5:26
"That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life." Tts 3:7
---josef on 11/8/13


Bro. Trey, the new birth is the beginning of our walk with Christ. It is the moment when God draws us to Himself and make us spiritually alive. God grants us the gift of faith, repentance, a new heart, eyes to see and ears to hear spiritual matters. It is an act that God does to the unsaved, in order to bring him to Christ.
(Eph. 2:1-10).
---Mark_V. on 11/8/13


We become new in Christ, not by physical water washing us, but because we "were baptized into His death" (in Romans 6:3) . . . not into physical water, but "into His death". And His death came before His burial. So, being baptized into Jesus Christ's death can not mean being buried in physical water, because burial comes after death.

And His death includes His love. So, we need to become new in Jesus, by living in His love which had Him so obeying our Father that He laid His life down for us, and this love has us so loving, too >

"By this we know love, because He laid down His life for us. And we also ought to lay down our lives for the brethren." (1 John 3:16)
---willie_c: on 11/7/13


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