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Who Are Sons Of God

When the Bible mentions the words "sons of God" who is the Bible speaking about? Do they also include angels? Give Scripture if possible.

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TheSeg, exactly what is this LIE you feel you are clearing up????? That WE are angels=sons of God?

Or did you not understand the conversation here....OH that's right, you believe angels and humans procreated, rendering an offspring of mutant giants.

So again, HOW does your verses change the fact that angels TOO were also called sons of God. See Job. And Adam was called a son of God, who was never born of God to begin with. Adam was created out of the dust of the earth. WE as Born of God are NEVER going to be reborn out of the dust of the earth. We will be instantly GLORIFIED together WITH Christ and fashioned as He is.
---kathr4453 on 11/23/13


The Seg, great post. Yes Jesus is the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD.

HERE "BEGOTTEN" IS THE KEY WORD.

now the question is, WHEN was He begotten? And HOW was He begotten? And exactly WHAT does BEGOTTEN mean?

God did not Beget angels. To beget means that of procreation, as we clearly see in scripture..so and so begat so and so. It means to be birthed. So was Jesus BIRTHED by God at some point in eternity past, clearly stating Jesus was at one time NOT God in the beginning..John 1,

OR does begotten mean at the virgin birth...OR does it mean at His resurrection as some verses also state?
---kathr453 on 11/23/13


Leon,Thank you for praying for me,also you might ask for an answer to my question while praying ,it's really no sin to admit that you don't know. I have no negative feelings about you, we just don't see eye-to-eye!
---1st_cliff on 11/23/13


Please tell me oh wise one, and dont be afraid to use all your earthly infinite wisdom!
How someone (Anyone and I dont care who he is!) in heaven and earth, nay in all of creation!
Can call anyone The Son Of God.

Before God himself said:
Matthew 3:17, Matthew 17:5, Mark 1:11, Mark 9:7, Luke 3:22, Luke 9:35, 2 Peter 1:17
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Here you have all four Gospels testifying to you that this Jesus Christ is the first and only begotten Son Of God!

But you want to stand there in you infinite wisdom and say, He was not!
Peace
---TheSeg on 11/23/13


Leon, I am also praying for your deliverance from your blindness. Not only you but also Kathr. I give her Scripture in the hope that she will see the light. But nothing has happen yet. You on the other hand speculate on things not written, add to Scripture what is not there. It's ok for you to believe that all of Seth's descendants were godly. If all descendants were godly, what happen to all the godly women? Again the Bible says that man took wives, but what about the women? If they were godly why does the word of God say their was only one righteous that was Noah. Can you bring light to that? That is but one of the questions concerning those godly people you speak of.
---Mark_V. on 11/23/13




Leon, I believe we are in agreement. The 2nd group of Canaanites came after the flood. Yes the first group all died in the flood. So even Goliath being a giant was NOT from any line of mutant ninja giants from before the flood as some teach. Goliath was 100% human. Seeing Zechariah 14 states the nations..meaning Gentiles RE one nation described is Egypt, will be required to come down and worship, yet ends saying no "Canaanite" will be allowed to enter in. Because of that verse I have to wonder what the deeper significance is.

When Israel left Egypt to go to the promise land! they had to destroy the Canaanites! but no Egyptians were considered Canaanites, so it doesn't mean exclusively gentile either


Just a thought.
---kathr4453 on 11/23/13


So let's change this lie!
That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

But as many as received him, to them gave he(Christ) power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Peace
---TheSeg on 11/23/13


Markv, Leon gave you scripture! as did I. So the only one speculating here is you.

So now you believe angels out of free will could will sperm compatable with humanity? Talk about a double minded man UNSTABLE in all his ways.

So yes, Seth's line was godly in comparison to Cain's being ungodly.
Just as Israel was God's chosen line to bring in the messiah, (although they were all sinners) and not through a gentile line...also sinners.

Your ignorance of scripture is astounding. Your Jesus is not founded upon the apostles and prophets of the OT. Just like Joseph Smith's isn't either.

But so glad to see you found a dictionary to learn definitions.

Again where is your definition of free will found?
---kathr4454 on 11/23/13


Kathr. You and Leon both cannot answer my question, right?
---1st_cliff on 11/23/13


"Leon, Why did you skip my question? In your haste to put me down you glossed right over it but left the 'Herein lies the answer'
Admit that you do not have the answer, because you know Peter was on the same page as me!"
---1st_cliff on 11/22/13


Again, praying for your deliverance from doctrines of demons Cliff.
---Leon on 11/23/13




The whole of Genesis#5 is the genealogy from Adam to Noah each time saying they had sons and daughters..BUT Gen 6 .4 "When the sons of God went to the daughters of men and "HAD CHILDREN BY THEM" They (the children)were Nephelim and were men of renown (Giants) totally different context!
Having children "BY THEM"was not a normal relationship!
---1st_cliff on 11/23/13


Kathr: I haven't once mentioned Adam, but I wholeheartedly agree with your comment about him being a son of God. It stands to reason Seth (his son) had a godly role model & mentor in Adam. Subsequently, Seth became the same for his son Enos...Were they perfect men? Absolutely not since they did sin occasionally. Scripture shows that (G3, 5 & 6).

I slightly disagree with you on one point: I don't believe Cain had any direct, seed bearing, male descendants (sons) that survived the flood. But, because of what happened in G6 between the sons of God & the daughters of men (off-springs from Cain's family), I think it's quite possible Cain's bloodline (DNA) could very well have been in Noah & /or his family. :)
---Leon on 11/23/13


Leon, you now say,
"MV: I see you're still riding that same ol' broke down nag named Speculation. Like I said to you many times the evidence is right before your eyes, IN SCRIPTURE, but you're too blinded by pride to see it :)"
Leon, as I said before go ahead and show Scripture light that I have been missing. I posted the question, so go ahead and bring light to Scripture without speculating.

"speculation[ spky & #601, lysh'n ]1.opinion based on incomplete information: a conclusion, theory, or opinion based on incomplete facts or information
2.reasoning based on incomplete information: reasoning based on incomplete facts or information"
---Mark_V. on 11/23/13


Luke 3:38
Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God..

Just to clarify Those posts who understand the line of Seth vs the line of Cain? AND that scripture clearly state Adam was a son of God.

So I too believe it means the godly line of Seth, married with the line of the Canaanites where Noah and his three sons were the ONLY ones left of the line of Seth to fulfill the promises given in Genesis 3:15.

Doesn't it make clear through who's seed the seed of Christ would come. Not through Cain's seed, as you see in both lineages in the Gospels going back from Mary! and the other Joseph line....ALL came through the line of Seth.
---kathr4453 on 11/23/13


And interestingly enough, you will see in the end just before the flood, not a brother, or sister or cousin etc of Noah entered that ark! showing all the line of Seth, but Noah and his immediate family were corrupted, probably by intermarriage with the Canaanites , as Satan's plan and purpose was to destroy and corrupt any hope of God fulfilling His promise of the messiah.

Interesting too is in Zechariah 14, it states no Canaanite will enter in. Cain was sent away to the land of Nod, right from the beginning, banished and separated.

In Rev it says no evil will enter in. In comparing the two verses, evil is equated with Canaanite.

Now ask, why did Isaac and Rebecca insist Jacob NOT TAKE A WIFE FROM THE CANAANITES?
---kathr453 on 11/23/13


Leon, Why did you skip my question? In your haste to put me down you glossed right over it but left the "Herein lies the answer"
Admit that you do not have the answer, because you know Peter was on the same page as me!
---1st_cliff on 11/22/13


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1st cliff, humans were created above the animal kingdom, but have you ever seen half human half animal species? At least human males and animal males came prepackaged with seed.

It's you who speculate that an angel was created by God with a pack of seed within for the purpose of procreating. WHY? OR are you suggesting an angel has the POWER to create SPERM within it's spirit?

We see in Matthew that angels are neither male or female...
---kathr4453 on 11/22/13


"Kathr/Leon, Your answers are speculation not fact...
So as a superior beings they [angels] lusted after human women.[?!] Perhaps they are all males as they have only materialized as such in scripture! why? [???!!!]...Herein lies your answer!" [???!!!]
---1st_cliff on 11/22/13


True to form, you're all over the place WRONG Cliff! That's how it is when you grasp at straws to validate your outlandish theories (very bad ideas). It would be almost comical, if it weren't so very sad, that you would raise your opinions (fantasies) to the level of fact & try to diminish what Scripture actually supports. Praying for your deliverance from doctrines of demons.
---Leon on 11/22/13


perhaps they are all males as they have only materialized as such in scripture!
Zec 5:9?

You all seem to be concerned with the title Sons of God and not with why is this title used. Yet you deny (even though you know its true, that Christ is the first and only begotten son of God!)
So anyone calling themselves such is a liar!

You all seem to agree that angels of God would never do such a thing! And you're right, that's why they are not called Angels, but sons of God. So you will know they are liars!

There was no other son of God, before the Lord Jesus Christ! You all know this to be true, and yet you deny him!
Peace
---TheSeg on 11/22/13


"Leon, I see from your answer you are still on your high horse. But everything that you said about the sons of God is only speculation. For you have no evidence of who the sons of God are. No one has. The details of who they are is not given [According to who, you???!!!]...Not even if God spoke to you.[???!!!]... I don't think so... Pro[ve] the sons of God are the sons of Seth, and the women the daughters of Cain without speculating THEN WE WILL post that as Truth to the world."
---Mark_V. on 11/22/13


MV: I see you're still riding that same ol' broke down nag named Speculation. Like I said to you many times the evidence is right before your eyes, IN SCRIPTURE, but you're too blinded by pride to see it :)
---Leon on 11/22/13


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Love that Leon....glad you threw in FREE WILL there.....

Gotcha markv! So there...TAKE THAT!!!

LMHOAROTF!!!
---kathr4453 on 11/22/13


Oh and what is even more interesting...


Markv believes angels had the ability to CREATE something AFTER the 6 day of creation....and giving something other than GOD that power to create a whole new species of LIFE called "Mutant Ninja Giants".
---kathr4453 on 11/22/13


Kathr/Leon, Your answers are speculation not fact.
Did you not read that man was created "a little lower than angels"?
So as a superior being they lusted after human women. perhaps they are all males as they have only materialized as such in scripture! why?
Neither of you have answered my question, where does OT scripture say angels were "punished"? Where did Peter get this info?
Herein lies your answer!
---1st_cliff on 11/22/13


The only times in Scripture we "see" angels in human form is when it's at God's good pleasure...his messengers. Angels, spirit beings, can't of a "freewill choose to" take on human form. At best, fallen/rebellious angels, aka demons, can hijack & possess (inhabit) the bodies of sinfully available humans. Repeat: The species Angelkind can not transform themselves into & mate with the species mankind. Nowhere in Scripture is that idea supported.
---Leon on 11/22/13


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Then he said unto them, (O fools, and slow of heart) to believe all that the prophets have spoken:

And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, (This is my beloved Son: hear him.)

(All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers:) but the sheep did not hear them.

God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again, (as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.)

(He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself:) he that believeth not God hath made him a liar, (because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.)
Peace
---TheSeg on 11/22/13


Angels have the ability to turn to humans. (Heb. 13:2) --- ---Mark_V. on 11/22/13

NO that is not what scripture says. they may take on the form of a human, however who knows really under careful examination if they are in fact HUMANS.

But Nicholas Cage did turn from and Angel to human when he kissed Meg Ryan....unnnn, what was that movie again????

If Angels could turn into humans then God would have sent an angel to die for the sin of man.

Markv has no idea what his ignorance leads to.
---kathr4453 on 11/22/13


Leon, I see from your answer you are still on your high horse. But everything that you said about the sons of God is only speculation. For you have no evidence of who the sons of God are. No one has. The details of who they are is not given, you can make them up in your mind, and you can conclude that some passages say what you think they say, and you might even say God spoke to you, but you have no proof of anything. Not even if God spoke to you. Is God going to authenticate to us He talked to you? I don't think so. Proof the sons of God are the sons of Seth, and the women the daughters of Cain without speculating then we will post that as Truth to the world.
---Mark_V. on 11/22/13


Seems 1st cliff and Cluny failed biology in school....or maybe just never payed attention.

Some comments aren't even worth explaining.

Who here is smarter than a fifth grader???anyone????
---kathr4453 on 11/22/13


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1st cliff, if you think a horse and lion is a stupid analogy, so is the celestial with the terrestrial suggesting they produced offspring looking like GIANTS? So, angels have DNA and chromosomes that would match that of humanity? Angels don't even have blood. Can you prove God created angels with the capability to MULTIPLY and fill the heavens? Weren't each individually created, unlike humans?

I know we all grew up reading those fun comic books, now made into movies where THOR falls in love with earth woman having children with special powers....but grow up....it's make believe.

Can an angel CREATE his own seed?

So the fact that Jesus being fully God fully man ....(not being some giant mutant ninja) is nothing new?
---kathr4453 on 11/22/13


Look up " Why can't different SPECIES of animals breed together"

It will explain why some, "in their own family" can, and why those outside their family can't, even though they are all part of the animal kingdom.

Can a carrot breed with a monkey?

Ans: not anymore than an angel can breed with a human.
---kathr453 on 11/22/13


Bro. Trey,
You say,
" If this happened back in Genesis that heavenly angels looked at women and desired them and had physical relationships with them then why don't we see this happening all throughout the scriptures and even today?" Many things happen in Genesis that doesn't happen again.
Then say: "I have a hard time believing that heavenly angels created by God to be ministering spirits would desire to have a physical relationship with humans." Angels have the ability to turn to humans. (Heb. 13:2) just like those at Sodom and Gomorrah (Gen. 19:1). Then say,
"This type of relationship is not sactioned by God." That is true, the reason they were put in chains Jude 6).
---Mark_V. on 11/22/13


Deu 14:1 Ye [are] the children of the LORD your God:
--sons and daughters?
---micha9344 on 11/21/13

Good one. Every witness is just that...

Deu_32:8 ...he separated the sons of Adam, ....according to the number of the children of Israel.
1Ch 17:9 Also I will ordain a place for my people Israel, will plant them, they shall dwell in their place....
1Ch 17:10 ... Moreover I will subdue all thine enemies. ...that the LORD will build thee an house.
1Ch 17:11 ...I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons,...
1Ch 17:12 ... I will stablish his throne for ever.
1Ch 17:13 I will be his father, he shall be my son:
1Ch 17:14 ... for ever: his throne shall be established for evermore.
---Trav on 11/22/13


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Bro. Trey 2: It is really ok to disagree with my answer. It really is only my opinion on what I believe happened in Gen. 6:1=3). Since no real evidence is given, many details are missing.
Believing any which was does not save us.
I don't find anywhere where we are told all of Seth's children were godly, and all of Cain children were not. We know Seth was godly but many children of children were born after. If all of them were godly, they all would have had to marry those women. And we are not told if the women in Seth's line were godly also. In that case there would be many godly people, and God said there was on one guy just, and that was Noah.
---Mark_V. on 11/22/13


That's kind of a dumb analogy ,horse and lion.
There are thousands of mules but each one is the product of cross-breeding (horse and donkey) they even look similar.
How much difference in looks are there between a human male and a materialized angel?
We're not talking elephant and cockroach here .
Get with the program!
---1st_cliff on 11/21/13


\\I totally agree with trey here. If a fish cannot breed with a cat, and a horse can't breed with an lion, as we see even the animal kingdom cannot cross breed\\

But a horse CAN breed with a zebra.

There are limits to cross breeding, but it CAN happen.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/21/13


I totally agree with trey here. If a fish cannot breed with a cat, and a horse can't breed with an lion, as we see even the animal kingdom cannot cross breed (not to say man hasn't tried to mastermind such things) neither can the celestial cross breed with the terrestrial.
---kathr4453 on 11/21/13


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Where then is Satan now?
(In a very dark place!)
We're, unfortunately, light years apart in our understandings of Scripture.
So be it! (For now!)

I'm going to continue listening for & to the voice of the Lord as He speaks from Scripture.
(And I will continue to listen to the Spirit of (Our Father!))

I hope you two soon (learn) to do the same.
(This is a very funny statement indeed, but was expected for sure because of:) by his own prerogative, ascend back into God's Heavenly throne room & openly rail against Him.

2Timothy_3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
Peace
---TheSeg on 11/21/13


Deu 14:1 Ye [are] the children of the LORD your God: ye shall not cut yourselves, nor make any baldness between your eyes for the dead.
--sons and daughters?
---micha9344 on 11/21/13


One last question Seq: Where then is Satan now?

Mark: Yes, I asked Seq because I wasn't sure of where he/she was coming from. You, on the other hand, I've long known of the deep hole you've dug yourself into, so there was no need to ask. :)

Seq, Mark: We're, unfortunately, light years apart in our understandings of Scripture. So be it! I'm going to continue listening for & to the voice of the Lord as He speaks from Scripture. I hope you two soon learn to do the same.
---Leon on 11/21/13


As far as Men go!

So anyone calling themselves (sons of God) before Christ are only liars.
---TheSeg on 11/20/13

Peace indeed.
Hos 1:10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, ... it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.

Hos 1:11 Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, ....

Gal_4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Rom_9:4 Who are Israelites, to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises,
---Trav on 11/20/13
---Trav on 11/21/13


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A heavenly scene, yes I do, and fallen I understand.
But where do you get (exiled/earth bound Satan) from?
And how can you have "Spirit filled men" if the Spirit was not yet given?

But I am more interested in where you got (exiled/earth bound Satan) from.
You must feel, Rev_12:7-9 -And prevailed not, neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Already happen, before the time of Job_1, if that's true?

How do you explain Rev_12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb?
Isn't this (by the blood of the Lamb), talking about (the blood of Jesus Christ?)

I know this, if (they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb) this happen after Christ's Crucifixion.
And not before!
Peace
---TheSeg on 11/21/13


Leon, you did not ask me to explain my position as you did the Seg. you threw the book at me. Listen Leon, you yourself made a lot of remarks with no Scripture to support you view only what you think happen. I don't make a stand that what I said was Scripture only my opinion. Why? Because the details are missing. And we as readers have to fill in those areas. First of all just because Seth was a godly man as you say, does not mean all his children were. Also the passages do not say the sons of God came from Seth, or that the daughters came from Cain, you have to imply they did. No explanation is given. So you are also giving your opinon.
---Mark_V. on 11/21/13


Thank you Trey. I agree with you.

Under the Old Covenant there were men who were the Sons of GOD in covenant relationship with GOD.

In the New Covenant it is established in a New and better way. David prayed for a new heart.

agape
---Samuelbb7 on 11/21/13


Thanks for the explanation Seq. If you'll allow, I'd really like to know how you come to your conclusions.

You obviously think Job 1 is a heavenly scene wherein fallen/exiled/earth bound Satan (Lucifer) is allowed to freely, by his own prerogative, ascend back into God's Heavenly throne room & openly rail against Him. Might not it be just the opposite whereas God descends into the earth realm as "Spirit filled men" (sons of God) heap praises upon & worship Him? In 2013 that would be corporate church. Then, an aggressive satan shows up to confront God while He's down on earth. Is it not reasonable the Job 1 conversation between Spirit God & satan occurs unbeknownst to the "sons of God" (believers)?
---Leon on 11/20/13


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Leon, Lucifer was "one" angel this does not fit Peter's words. Peter said they were punished, but satan still had free range in Job's day, no indication of punishment there.
No the fallen angels did not produce a new race because the Nephelim were hybrids unable to reproduce!, but they would of necessity be "giants" (which indicates that they were not normal humans) God saw fit to drowned them but could not drowned the angels who Peter said was put in Tartarus. (punishment)to be delt with along side satan!
---1st_cliff on 11/20/13


Leon
I didn't miss it. I am completely aware that you don't believe me. Why else would you be having this discussion?

As far as Men go!
The first and only begotten son of God was and is Christ, this should be clear to everyone! So anyone calling themselves (sons of God) before Christ are only liars.

Likewise, to be a son of God, you must be baptized with the Holy Spirit. But the Holy Spirit was not yet given. I'm not talking about an appearance. I am talking about indwelling!
Before Christ no one receive the indwelling of the Holy Ghost. No man can be a son of God without it!
It's only because of Christ we are to be called Sons of God!
Peace
---TheSeg on 11/20/13


"Leon, you do understand I can never believe they were man, right?
So we're just talking, ok!"


Okay Seq, I hear you. :) But, I think I missed something here in that I don't believe you explained why you "can never believe they were man". If you did already & I missed it, so please & explain again. I appreciate it ~ thx.
---Leon on 11/20/13


Mark, I do not agree with you concerning your belief that the Sons of God in Genesis are angels.

If this happened back in Genesis that heavenly angels looked at women and desired them and had physical relationships with them then why don't we see this happening all throughout the scriptures and even today?

I have a hard time believing that heavenly angels created by God to be ministering spirits would desire to have a physical relationship with humans.

This type of relationship is not sactioned by God. I do not believe that our Heavenly Father would allow his created angels to procreate with man.

I believe that these were true worshippers of God that took wives of the idol worshippers.
---trey on 11/20/13


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"To me the sons of God were in fact angels, in Gen. 6:1-4) not the sons of Seth sense there was no one godly but Noah."

Huh???!!! True to form Mark, you err significantly in your subjective deductions. In an attempt to make your straw man come to life you overlook and/or, of a free will, choose to discount the "fact" that godly, obedient Abel was replaced by another godly son, Seth, of whom fathered godly Enos & in that day, "[godly] men [of Seth's lineage] began to call upon the name of the Lord." (G4:25-26)

You can nonsensically rationalize it till the end of your days Mark, if you choose, but you'll never be able to truthfully verify your spurious claims from Scripture.
---Leon on 11/20/13


Leon, you do understand I can never believe they were man, right?
So we're just talking, ok!

To be called a Sons of God, you must be a born of God.
To be born of God you must be baptized with the Holy Spirit.
These things must be true, to be a Son!
Joh_1:33 remaining on him, the same is he which baptized with the Holy Ghost. And as you know Joh_7:39! So were the son of Seth baptized with the Holy Ghost?

Why use the words "sons of God" instead of Angels?
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee?

Neither was this said of men until this day!
Peace
---TheSeg on 11/20/13


To me the sons of God were in fact angels, in Gen. 6:1-4) not the sons of Seth sense there was no one godly but Noah. (2 Peter 2:4,5) speaks of this angels
"For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness to be reserved for judgment," this angels are reserved for judgment in chains as mentioned in (Jude 6)
"and the angels who did no keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day," This are the fallen angels described in (Gen. 6:1-3) as possessing men who then cohabited with women, that's why they did not keep their proper domain as angels.
---Mark_V. on 11/20/13


"Leon
Yes, calling on him is Godly.
But does calling on his name make you a Son Of God?...Rom_8:14 they are the sons of God!
Peace"
---TheSeg on 11/19/13


Plainly speaking, they were God believers, God seekers, God followers. Yes, they were "sons of God"! Yet, the descendants of Cain (the other men who had daughters) looked real good to Seth/Enos' sons, but were ungodly, i.e., didn't believe, seek or follow after God.

Like Shira said, it was a situation of people being unequally yoked & pulling away from God. That's what angered God (G6). Seth/Enos' boys were led by the Spirit of God (Ro. 8:14), but they erred significantly when they took the Cainite women as mates.
---Leon on 11/20/13


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"...Peter said "God did not hold back from punishing angels that sinned, but spared Noah...."
Where in the OT does it say "Angels sinned?" if "they" were not the "sons of God"!"
---1st_cliff on 11/19/13


Where in Scripture does it say mankind & angelkind can mate, & have children Cliff? Man & angels are two different species (kinds). Would it be possible for angels to reproduce with people? NO, it's not possible at all. In fact it goes against a vital law that God created at the very beginning.
God said (G1:11-12, 21-25) His earthly created beings would reproduce after their own kind.

Lucifer sinned Cliff: Is. 14 & Ez. 28
---Leon on 11/20/13


When the Bible mentions the words "sons of God" who is the Bible speaking about?
---Mark_V. on 11/11/13

Not the answer you want....but, the answer scripture supplies....to seeking sheep.
Hos 1:10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered, it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.

Hos 1:11 Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel.
Reference: Heb 8:8-10/Jer 31:31-33. Isa 51:1.
---Trav on 11/20/13


The Seg, you are right in how could there be a line of holy men marrying the daughters of men. How can they be even considered holy when the Bible states that only Noah was holy (Gen. 6:8,9)? Many others have also question why only sons not daughers are associated with the line of Seth. And why is the term "sons of God" not used with this meaning in any othe place? Too many questions remain no matter the theory one takes.
---Mark_V. on 11/19/13


I asked this question (on another blog) and never got an answer,
Peter said "God did not hold back from punishing angels that sinned, but spared Noah...."
Where in the OT does it say "Angels sinned?" if "they" were not the "sons of God"!
---1st_cliff on 11/19/13


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Leon
Yes, calling on him is Godly.
But does calling on his name make you a Son Of God?

John is very clear here!
Joh_1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God,
even to them that believe on his name:

Adding!
Joh_1:13 Which were born, (not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man,) but of God.

Seth and Enos had sons and (daughters) and all were born of the flesh, thus the daughters of men!
Gen_6:2 That the sons of God saw the (daughters of men) that they were fair, and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Rom_8:14 they are the sons of God!
Peace
---TheSeg on 11/19/13


...I've heard that before, (the godly line of Seth!)
Because of Gen_4:[25-]26 then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.
Just sayin, if Seths line was so Godly, where does it say they were Godly?...
Peace"
---The Seg on 11/19/13


The Scripture you posted answers your question Seq. It is "godly" to call upon the name of the LORD. Enos was the son of Seth who replaced Abel. So, the "sons of God" did indeed come out of the lineage of Seth, directly thru Enos (Seth's son). Peace! :)
---Leon on 11/19/13


amen seg, it is a picture of being unequally yoked and the consequences of saved marrying the unsaved. I can tell you I did just that but I like to believe I was the primary reason my husband was saved 4 yrs before he passed away. There are still a downside for Christians who marry the unbeliever
---shira4368 on 11/19/13


A theory is a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of [apart from] the thing to be explained. Christians don't need to suppose what "sons of God" mean because Scripture explains itself adequately in context (the circumstances that form the setting for an event, statement, or idea, and in terms of which it can be fully understood and assessed).

God has made clear the who, what, when, where & why in the Bible. It's up to us to believe what God has said in Scripture, not what mere men (many of whom aren't Christians) suppose (theorize). God's Truth is hidden in plain sight!
---Leon on 11/19/13


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The 'sons of God' are reckoned to be the godly line of Seth while the daughters of men are of the line of Cain.

Gen_5:7 And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters: (I know it's just to me. But Gen_5:7 is pretty clear the guy had daughters!)

You know, I've heard that before, (the godly line of Seth!)
Because of Gen_4:26 then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.
Just sayin, if Seths line was so Godly, where does it say they were Godly?

Brings me right back to Rom_5:12 for that all have sinned!
Joh_1:12-13 But as many as (received him!)
Nor of the will of the flesh, (but of God.)
Peace
---TheSeg on 11/19/13


The identity of the "sons of God" in (Gen. 6:1-4) is uncertain. Three theories identify the "sons of God" and the daughters of men. The first theory is that the sons of God are fallen angels and the daughters of men are mortals.
The second, as to their identity is the one most often held within conservative theologians. The 'sons of God' are reckoned to be the godly line of Seth while the daughters of men are of the line of Cain.
The third theory is one tha is gaining popularity among conservatives. Recent archaeological evidence has suggested that the phrase "sons of God" was sometimes used to discribe kings. Immoral human kings who used their power to take as many women and whatever women they chose.
---Mark_V. on 11/19/13


Rom 8:14 8:19 - elect family of God.
Phil 2:15 - manafetst elect of God.
1 John 3:1 3:2 - elect family of God.
---trey on 11/16/13

Isa_45:4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
Isa_65:9 I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: mine elect shall inherit it, my servants shall dwell there.
Isa_65:22 They shall not build, and another inhabit, they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
Gen_27:29 Let people serve thee, and nations bow down to thee:, ...
---Trav on 11/17/13


Sons of God here were worshippers of God.
trey

Job_38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Eze_28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Seems to be saying at one time everyone was a son of God, including Satan and all worshiped God. But I believe Job_1:6 points out.
Now there was a day (when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD,) and (Satan came also among them.)

I look at this and say "until!"
Gen_6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair, and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Peace
---TheSeg on 11/16/13


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Gen6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair, and they took them wives of all which they chose. - - Sons of God here were worshippers of God.
Job 2:1, & 38:7 - Angels from heaven.
John 1:12 - elect family of God.
Rom 8:14 & 8:19 - the elect family of God.
Phil 2:15 - the manafetst elect of God.
1 John 3:1 & 3:2 - elect family of God.
---trey on 11/16/13


Bro. Seg, great testimony. All of us have sinned against God so much we do not deserve the mercy of God. If we could see God in all His holiness, we would be able to see how terrible we really are. Every time we sin, is to hurt the Lord over and over. Thanks be to God that He has now saved us and has imputed His righteousness upon us. The Lord has forgiven us, and is now changing us to be more Christlike. In the mean time we will be like Paul struggling in this life with sin within us.
---Mark_V. on 11/16/13


When I was very young, I wanted to die. Not that I didn't love life. Or that my life was so bad. But that the life I am living is fall of sin.
Yes, I know. Some of you are now thinking, well didn't you ask God for help!

Paul made something very clear here, we all continually sin. Very one of us!
Anyone who thinks they can stop or have stopped sinning in the flesh is full of himself. Every single thing we do in the flesh has sin in it!

That is why I wanted to die (and NEVER by my own hand.)
I really thought it was the only way to stop.
I now know! That's not how you stop sinning!
Peace
---TheSeg on 11/15/13


Bro. Willie, here I believe you misunderstood The Seg. you said:
"But, because of how we are now, we can think this can't happen." it does happen, every time we submit to the Holy Spirit. What I believe the Seg is saying is "we don't always submit to the Holy Spirit," because we are still in this physical body of ours that wants to sin. Paul did speak about sin within him. But our practice is now for God. We don't practice sin anymore because we are not in bondage to it. Now is it possible for believers to always submit to the Holy Spirit? I don't think so since we are told, "all fall short of the glory of God"
I love your answers concerning all topics, I was just trying to clear this one up.
---Mark_V. on 11/14/13


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We are God's children if we have turned from our sins to God. And with Jesus we learn how to submit in His yoke - - of the Holy Spirit's leading > "'Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.'" (Matthew 11:29)

But, because of how we are now, we can think this can't happen.

But our Father does succeed in correcting us > Hebrews 12:4-17. And John says, "Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment, because as He is, so are we in this world." (1 John 4:17)

So, trust Him to succeed as guaranteed > "casting all your care upon Him, for He cares for you." (1 Peter 5:7)
---willie_c: on 11/14/13


Leon, I am not trying to tell anyone, anything!
But, I know of no one who willingly submits to (obey) the Holy Spirit of God.
Ive heard some say with the power of the Holy Spirit, they are able!

Well Paul, had the power of the Holy Spirit, do we agree?
Rom_7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not, but what I hate, that do I.
Clearly this not obedience!

Yet Paul says:
2Ti_4:7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:
Do you know of anyone who completely obedient?
It seems to me the only ones who are obedient.
Are the ones who know theyre not!
Peace
---TheSeg on 11/13/13


The Seq: Regarding "obedience", I believe Romans 7:1-15 speaks loudly to it. Yes, I agree Ro. 3:23 indicates we ALL sin regularly & therefore come short of God's glory. Were it not for His grace & mercy, & our frequent repentance, we'd all perish.

Regarding Ro. 8:14, to be lead by, one must willingly submit to (obey) the Holy Spirit's lead...

I believe what Paul was saying (Ro. 7:15) is, in his flesh, he sinned (disobeyed) often even though he had a heart (desire to) not sin, but to "willfully obey" the Lord.
---Leon on 11/13/13


NT/Rom_8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
If you find yourself being led by the Spirit of God, then you are a Son of God.

Obedience? Very place in the OT were the sons of God is used, it's referring to Angels.
In Gen_6 it's referring to the angels which left heaven and sinned with the flesh.
In Job it's referring to all the Angels.

I'm sorry. I just have a hard time with the word "obedient."
Because I know, you can say you are, you can even believe you are.
But you're not, no one is. No one anywhere!
Rom_3:23 For (all have sinned,) and come short of the glory of God,
Peace
---TheSeg on 11/12/13


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"Sons of God", as written is the Bible, has on occasion meant angels & on other occasions men. Put simply, the entire Bible shows sons of God (whether angels or men) to be the "OBEDIENT" creatures who live to worship & serve God only. That's what the Bible clearly states of those whom God has created & are obedient to Him. They only are His "sons"! Those who are disobedient (willfully sinful & opposed to God) are the sons of the devil! It's an either or situation & categorization...
---Leon on 11/12/13


Mark, In the Old testament the term is applied to the those existing before man came to be. Job was asked "where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?" Man of course had not been created. "When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" Job 38:7 As concerning man, it is written in the O.T. that"it shall come to pass In the place where it was said to them,You are not My people, there it shall be said to them,you are sons of the living God. " Hsa 1:10 "As many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: Jhn 1:12 Again, [We] are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. Gal 3:26
---joseph on 11/11/13


Willie good points. I agree.
---Samuelbb7 on 11/11/13


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