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Christan, my questions were aimed at understanding your belief.

You brought up Jesus crucifixion and I asked,

1) If man has free-will did God foreknow they would seek Jesus' death for their own selfish reasons, therefore witlessly bringing about God's purposes? That is did they, in their selfishness, unknowingly do what God wanted? If this is so then they sinned, didn't they?

2) Or did God sow seeds into their minds manipulating them into believing it was their decision to kill Jesus? If so they did not sin, did they?

I believe you must be posing that one or the other is true? Which is it?
---Warwick on 11/21/13


the New Creature is not in bondage to God in the sense that markv now is saying the New Creature is now totally incapable of sin....where the old man is said to be incapable of righteousness.

The JUST shall live by FAITH even after salvation, not bondage. We have been set at "liberty", only don't use that "liberty" to sin so says God.

Markv your post is totally messed up. you could not be experiencing true Christian life in Christ and make such a statement.
---kathr4453 on 11/21/13


Christan you quoted me "What sort of a god blames and purposefully causes intense suffering to fall upon people who have not sinned, but were pawns in this god's game?" Notice I wrote god, not God. I trust you understand the difference? I wrote god because the god you present is not the God of the Bible but some monster who creates people without free-will then wills them to sin. Not satisfied with this behaviour he punishes them for the sin he caused them to commit. This is not my God,
---Warwick on 11/21/13


God said my yoke is easy and my burden is light.
---shira4368 on 11/21/13


\\because we are in bondage to God.\\

How does this fit in with what Jesus said: "I no longer call you servants, but friends. The servant does not know what his master is about."

Please explain.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/21/13




Mark_V: We are the ones telling the truth, it is you & your company that are talking as if you live on the moon. We are not claiming that we saved ourselves, the Lord Jesus saved us as we yielded to His call(by His grace). In your daily living, is it God that 100% keeps you out sinning or there is a small-part that you have to play as well to avoid sinning? Why did the Lord Jesus say, "Matt.4:17 ..Repent..." if we have no part to play?
---Adetunji on 11/21/13


Adetjunji, you. Warwick, Samuel and many others, do not like to be told that salvation is all of God. Somehow you want sinful man to have power over God's right to have mercy on whom He wills.
You read the word of God, and completely ignore the explicit statements because you are so hardened in your hearts already. You are free to makes choices but never for God's right. We on the other hand are in the same position, we are free to make choices but never for sinful man, because we are in bondage to God.
One Person changed our hearts from free will to God, that Person was GOD.
If you change your view, it is because of God. If not, you will be hardened even more.
---Mark_V. on 11/21/13


The same is true of Jesus crucifixion. The prophets foretold His death. And evil man only fulfilled what was ordained by God before the foundation of the world.

---Mark_V. on 11/21/13


But the story didn't
t end there, for Joseph forgave his brothers, and they repented of their sin.

This is a type shadow of Jesus who was also betrayed by His own...that is the Jews, and their repentance and forgiveness that followed.
---kathr4453 on 11/21/13


My last comment to Christan has 2 evidences, (1) Christan does not quote Jesus Christ (2) he misuses the word of Apostle Paul to argue against what the word of God says. Am I wrong on those 2 counts?
---Adetunji on 11/20/13

Not trying to start an argument....you were unclear... exactly which post and scripturally where Christan erred. Making broad accusation if one reads back is unfounded. She quotes Christ and the Apostles.
She is dead on right on Pauls scripture.
The scriptures say "many" not "all".
It is GOD who draws....not man who makes up his mind to go visit and make a choice. The choice is after GOD has drawn one.
And if GOD has a purpose as in Judah/Pharoah....it is fulfilled.
---Trav on 11/21/13


"What sort of a god blames and purposefully causes intense suffering to fall upon people who have not sinned, but were pawns in this god's game?" Warwick

"What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?

Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?"
Romans 9:14,19-21

You dare "judge" God? Is He even answerable to you?
---christan on 11/20/13




Christan, thanks for your answer. Few here will answer questions.

Your reply brings these thoughts to mind: As it was God's will that Jesus would die at the hands of sinful men, paying the price of sin (Romans 6:23) 1) If man has free-will did God foreknow they would seek Jesus' death for their own selfish reasons, therefore witlessly bringing about God's purposes? 2) Or did God sow seeds into their minds manipulating them into believing it was their decision to kill Jesus?

There is no doubt their politicing brought about Jesus death but was God the unknown puppet master causing them to do this? Or did they know what Gods will was, and carried it out?

I truly wonder.
---Warwick on 11/21/13


The sale of Joseph into Egypt by his brothers was a wicked act, yet we see that it was overruled not only for Joseph's good but also for the good of the brothers themselves. When it is traced to its source we see God was the Author. It had it exact place in the divine plan. Joseph later said to his brother, "And now be not grieved nor angry with yourselves, that ye sold me hither, for God did send me before you to preserve life..So no it was not you that sent me hither but God..And as for you, ye meant evil against me, but God meant it for good" (Gen. 45:5,8: 50:20).
The same is true of Jesus crucifixion. The prophets foretold His death. And evil man only fulfilled what was ordained by God before the foundation of the world.
---Mark_V. on 11/21/13


Trav, .... forgiven is not the point.
Read... and see the intense suffering,....
What sort of a god blames and purposefully causes intense suffering...?
---Warwick on 11/20/13

My GOD, who you do not understand.
My GOD, of Job,and David.
Forgiveness is the point. As now.
Luk_7:47 Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven, for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little.
Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

To whom much is forgiven much is owed.
---Trav on 11/21/13


"Did Josephs brothers sin in selling him or were they helpless dupes, used by God for His purposes?" Warwick

Excellent question. Let me answer your question with Scripture just in case you and some here misunderstand where I'm going with my reply.

The crucifixion of Christ, we are explicitly told by Peter, "...both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together, For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done." Acts 4:27,28

Were they not to be held accountable by God of that wicked act? "The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree." Acts 5:30
---christan on 11/20/13


Bro. Willie, very good. While humans make choices it is never for Christ. A good example is someone who disagrees with God choosing for us. They are free to make other choices, but their will, will not let them change their hearts to believe that God chooses us. Nothing can change his heart when he has made up his mind. They will listen and listen to the Word but to no avail. yet they are free. The longer they defend their position, the harder their heart gets. The only One who can change their hearts is God. The Bible tells us "There is none who seek after God" How more clear can that be? The Bible tells us the unsaved are all condemned heading to hell, nothing can stop them from going there unless God intervenes for them.
---Mark_V. on 11/20/13


Trav, that they were forgiven is not the point. Read the whole account and see the intense suffering, particularly that of their Father Israel. You say I hate him, I have yet to meet him!

How long did Israel grieve for his much loved son Joseph? And in ch. 42 Joseph gaols Simeon and Israel now considers He is no more as was Joseph. That all this suffering was the result of God forcing the brothers to sell Joseph beggars the imagination. What sort of a god blames and purposefully causes intense suffering to fall upon people who have not sinned, but were pawns in this god's game?
---Warwick on 11/20/13


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I think our character has a lot to do with what we can choose to do. So, we are not free from our real character.

But, as Christians, we can choose and try to do something, but then fail, but then God has us doing better than what we were trying to do (c:

"But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived." (2 Timothy 3:13) So, while someone is getting "worse and worse", how can he or she get oneself to choose what is good?

A stone that hits rock bottom can still be a stone, and only God is able to soften the person. This is why we pray to Him for people.
---willie_c: on 11/20/13


Here is the definition of free will:
"Freedom of humans to make choices that are not determine by prior causes or divine intevention"
Who makes a choice without a cause? No one. Mark_V.

Your stament is correct. That is how Behaviorist define free will and they do not believe that humans have free will. Dawkins the famous Atheist ascribes to this point of view.

This is the definition I follow.

1.
free and independent choice, voluntary decision: You took on the responsibility of your own free will.

2.
Philosophy . the doctrine that the conduct of human beings expresses personal choice and is not simply determined by physical or divine forces.
---Samuelbb7 on 11/20/13


Warwick, you are promoting a false doctrine created in the minds of sinful man, the doctrine of free will. you give the definition of free will,
"Christan, that man has free-will (ability to make choices) is obvious as we make choices (good or bad),everyday." Obvious to you and many more.

Here is the definition of free will:
"Freedom of humans to make choices that are not determine by prior causes or divine intevention"
Who makes a choice without a cause? No one. Everyone has a reason or cause for making a choice, the reason the writers of Scripture did not use those words. No one makes a choice for Christ without a reason. You promote a false security which is no security at all.
---Mark_V. on 11/20/13


Warwick 2: you say,
"Scripture says Adams sin brought the curse upon Creation however if he had no free-will he had no ability to choose yes or no, therefore he cannot be accused of sin. But the NT accuses him of sin. Who is correct?"
under the definition of free will, what you are saying is that Adam made a spontaneous choice, for no reason or cause. If he did, then why did God judge him wrong? I tell you why? because there was a reason for his choice, he wanted to disobey God. Everyone is under the curse of God for breaking the law. No amount of choices a man makes takes him out of the condemnation of the law. He is heading to hell unless God sovereignly by His grace has mercy on him, otherwise he remains condemned.
---Mark_V. on 11/20/13


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Trav://I see you as the unsubstantiated accuser here with no evidence.// My last comment to Christan has 2 evidences, (1) Christan does not quote Jesus Christ (2) he misuses the word of Apostle Paul to argue against what the word of God says. Am I wrong on those 2 counts?
---Adetunji on 11/20/13


If they were dupes God subjected Joseph's family to long-term suffering for a sin they did not commit. I wonder what sort of God you follow.
---Warwick on 11/19/13

Notable that Joseph was given prophetic...nudges from GOD that provoked his brothers decision.
Notable that they were forgiven, and prospered beyond measure. You despise Israel, and Christan for the same reasons the brothers of Joseph hated him. Dominion.
Gen 37:8 And his brethren said to him, Shalt thou indeed reign over us? or shalt thou indeed have dominion over us? And they hated him yet the more for his dreams, and for his words.
Gen_37:9 ....Behold, I have dreamed a dream more, behold, the sun the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.
---Trav on 11/20/13


Shira, you want to sound like you know a lot but you know nothing concerning Scripture. You say,
"..You are definitely one of the two Calvinist on christianet. Your doctrine will send people to hell if they listen to you. You will have to answer to God." Nobody's doctrine sends people to hell. They are heading that way already. Why don't you understand? They are on their way to hell, and if God does not have mercy on them, they will continue to hell. Why don't you understand if you claim you are saved? If you were saved as you say you were, then you too were on that line going to hell. You should be so thankful to God that He had mercy on you a sinner. You talk as though you know what you are talking about.
---Mark_V. on 11/19/13


Christan, that man has free-will (ability to make choices) is obvious as we make choices (good or bad),everyday.

If man does not have free-will Adam had no choice but to eat the forbidden fruit, which brought thousands of years of death, disease, and suffering. Scripture says Adams sin brought the curse upon Creation however if he had no free-will he had no ability to choose yes or no, therefore he cannot be accused of sin. But the NT accuses him of sin. Who is correct?

The doctrine you promote exposes God as akin to the fickle, petulant Greek gods of Mount Olympus.
---Warwick on 11/19/13


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Christan, a question: Josephs brothers sold him into slavery. Now as Joseph says (Genesis 50:20) they intended to harm him, but God intended it for good, for "the saving of many lives." Did Josephs brothers sin in selling him or were they helpless dupes, used by God for His purposes?

If they were dupes God subjected Joseph's family to long-term suffering for a sin they did not commit. I wonder what sort of God you follow.
---Warwick on 11/19/13


CHRISTAN: Think very well about what you are preaching here on ChristiaNet, (1) It is not of Christ because you hardly quote Him ,

Are you working for the Accuser of the brethren?
---Adetunji on 11/19/13

I don't always agree with Christan, he is a little high strung/passionate. I see you as the unsubstantiated accuser here with no evidence. Perhaps he stepped on your toes with scripture? Looking back he posted more than his attackers. His scripture actually links/witnesses with all scripture. Where most might list one unconnected , with additional hateful opinions. Like yours. What kind of bro are you? Not.
See that he is the one being set upon....without scripture rebuttal, just barking and biting.
---Trav on 11/19/13


"You will have to answer to God. those who make fun of my faith will answer too." shira4368

So saith the pot to the kettle. Please save yourself from being a hypocrite by not calling me your "dear". I do not know you from Adam and Eve but for only the doctrines you profess. And be sure, for now I will never ever call you a "sister in Christ", and that's because of your faith you hold so dearly to your heart, man's freewill.

Tell you what, "my doctrine" is not what will send souls to hell. It's unbelief in the Word of God that will send one's soul to hell. Don't you know that basic Truth? See what it means, "never able to come to the knowledge of the truth"?
---christan on 11/19/13


shira4368: "Markv, you finally said something correctly."

Even Satan gets scripture right most of the time and then later on, twists it.
---Steveng on 11/19/13


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Christian dear you are the one who can never come to the knowledge of truth. Maybe your co-heart is well grounded in bible doctrine. You are definitely one of the two calvanist on christianet. Your doctrine will send people to hell if they listen to you. You will have to answer to God. those who make fun of my faith will answer too. I have family who make fun of the church in General...church being a born again believer.
---shira4368 on 11/19/13


Markv, you finally said something correctly. There are 2 kinds of people. Dark-light.....saved -unsaved.... Heaven-hell... True-false....cold-hot....right-wrong...God-satan....believer-unbeliever....and the list goes on and on
---shira4368 on 11/19/13


"who is everyone that believeth? since everyone can believe..wow, a choice to not believe. you just bashed your own doctrine." shira4368

You remind me of one particular cohort of yours here. As Paul says, "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." Do you open your eyes when reading?

When did I say "everyone can believe"? That sounds more like your sick and perverted doctrine of freewill.

Listen up, I said only "those whom whom the Father has given to Christ" will believe. Do you seriously think the Father gave everyone to His Son? I believe only those the Father elected will go to His Son. And He didn't elect everyone of mankind.
---christan on 11/19/13


Warwick, when you are challenge with the Truth you become evasive just like you claim others do to you, yet you were very anxious to jump in on the other blog to judge me unrighteously. You could not help yourself, now that was OK for you to say. You say you have given me what free will is, and you have not, only you own definition of it. Obviously you don't want to know what the words mean and why they are not found in the Word of God, so you become evasive just as you claim others become evasive to you. You are their example.
---Mark_V. on 11/19/13


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Mankind is divided into two groups. The children of wrath, who are the children of Satan and the children of God. Those heading to hell already, and those heading to heaven. Those who are not saved, and those who are. The children of darkness and the children of the light. The unbeliever and the believer. The division was ordained and made by God in (Gen. 3:15) Those chosen by God and those not chosen by God. There is no other group but two.
---Mark_V. on 11/19/13


CHRISTAN: Think very well about what you are preaching here on ChristiaNet, (1) It is not of Christ because you hardly quote Him (2) Rather it is a twisted form of Apostle Paul's word that you use to accuse God and all others who happen to tell you the truth. Are you working for the Accuser of the brethren?
---Adetunji on 11/19/13


But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." 1 Corinthians 2:10-14
---christan on 11/13/13

This scripture you posted is just right.
How non scriptural opinions, doctrines and animosity are understood and replied too.
Sometimes it is after the fact that a thing is known to all.
Truth is strange and infuriating to those who veer from it, climbing in another way.

Eze 37:28 the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.
---Trav on 11/19/13


yes, God is not willing that any of the (elect, chosen, called, believers) should perish, but that all come to repentance. And what God will's does happen, He never fails (2 Peter 3:9), because we are told about Jesus Christ,
For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which is lost" Christ came here not only to seek and find, but also save. He actually saves.
"thou shall call His name Jesus, for He shall save his people from their sins" not try to, not half do so, but actually save them. If (2 Peter 3:9) was talking about every single person, then Jesus failed real bad as Lord, because He did not save those who going to hell already, and those who will go to hell in the future.
---Mark_V. on 11/19/13


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Christan, your story has God dividing mankind into 2 groups. Group 1 is 'hell-fodder', His children, consigned to hell from birth.

Group 2 are also sinners (all people are) but nonetheless have the 'get into heaven free' card. They do not deserve salvation, (no one does), but get it gratis!

Neither group has free-will as everything is pre-ordained

This is your story.

But God says He is not willing any should perish 2 Peter 3:9. This cannot apply to group 1 as you have them pre-ordained to perish. Therefore He must be referring to group 2 those preordained to inherit heaven. But if pre-ordained they cannot perish!

You promote such a strange doctrine.
---Warwick on 11/18/13


How does one transform from a sinner to Christ-like? Are we not told to transform by the renewing of the mind? Romans 12:2. If sinners don't have a choice, why preach the gospel to all the world? Didn't Jesus come to this world to save sinners that they MIGHT (a choice) be saved? 1 Timothy 1:15 Isn't whosoever hears the gospel and believes has gone from sinner to Christ-like? (a choice) Didn't Jesus come to this world to try to save ALL of mankind? 1 Timothy 2:4 (a choice that some will and most won't)

Ephesians 2:5
2 Thessalonians 2:10
James 1:21
James 5:20

Jesus did not come to this world in vain. 1 Corinthians 15:2 He came to save sinners for whoever accepts him shall be saved.
---Steveng on 11/18/13


Christian, who is everyone that believeth? since everyone can believe..wow, a choice to not believe. you just bashed your own doctrine.
---shira4368 on 11/18/13


markv, what do you claim Paul's ministry did? who did he preach to? was he a missionary? what are the purpose of missionaries?
---shira4368 on 11/18/13


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"This tells us "everyone who who believes (a choice) in Jesus "shall live by faith." Warwick

Whose "choice" is it? Romans 1:16,17 doesn't support freewill! Paul declared, "for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth". Meaning, whose "power" is it that a sinner can "believe"? Does it say man or God? What freewill?

And who are those who will believe? Didn't Christ declare, "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." That is, only those whom the Father has given to Christ, WILL BELIEVE! So much for your freewill theory.
---christan on 11/18/13


Mark, do you not get it? I have already informed you that I have exercized my free-will, the ability to choose yes or no upon good information, to choose to no longer blog with you.

Is that clear?
---Warwick on 11/18/13


Warwick, Rom. 1:16,17). The passage no where make mention of people making a choice. Paul speaking, "For I am not ashame of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes,.."
Nowhere in that verse does it speak about making a choice. Those the believe, already. Elder gave me Romans 10:13) see, If you call on the name of the Lord," but the unsaved don't call on the name of the Lord, they have no saving faith that comes from God. (v. Rom. 10:14) tells us,
"How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed?" They cannot. God gives us the answers when a person is looking for the Truth. Try looking for the Truth.
---Mark_V. on 11/18/13


Warwick 2: to make your case for free will I see you also mention the God given faith in (Rom. 12:3). That faith is only given to those who are born of the Spirit, believers.
If you read the context you will find out that Paul was talking to believers in (v. 12:3) to not think of themselves more highly that he ought to, to think soberly as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith" each one of the people he was talking to. because he finishing the sentence with "for we have many members in one body, but all the members do not have the same function" When you want to use Scripture read the context this way you are not thrown for a lose. The context speaks for itself.
---Mark_V. on 11/18/13


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Christan the very part of Scripture you give as evidence against free-will (our ability to choose) is an argument for free-will. Read Romans 1:16 and 17. This tells us "everyone who who believes (a choice) in Jesus "shall live by faith."

This speaks of man using his God given gift of faith-Romans 12:3. Faith is a living thing, not a compulsion from God, but a gift to be exercized,(as are the other gifts) as Hebrews 11 shows.

Does our faith save us, is it our act of repentance which bestows forgiveness and salvation upon us? Not at all because all the 'work' was done by our Lord who asks we come humbly and in a spirit of repentance to receive the blessing of forgiveness.
---Warwick on 11/17/13


To even say there's no difference to "receiving Him" and "choosing Him" obviously goes to show the understanding of the English language is lower than that of a grade four.

How does one say they "chose" Christ when He clearly and explicitly declared, "Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you... No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him... Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father."

Such is the simplicity of English that even a grade TWO can understand what those verses spoken of by Christ means. Obviously not to some who are far "wiser" than a grade four.
---christan on 11/17/13


What is the big deal with "choose" or "choosing"?.
1 Corinthians 15:1_2 "Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand,
By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain."
Are we also to have an issue with keeping the gospel? The Galatians chose to do otherwise, "I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain."

Romans 6:16 "Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey, whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?"
Ho about yielding?
---Nana on 11/17/13


Christan fails to see..to as many as "receive Him" was never an option given to Jacob.

Even among Jacob's earthly descendants we see they were given the choice to CHOOSE life or CHOOSE death.

Christan may want to do a NT word search and see how many times JACOB is even mentioned as all the Apostles and NT writers lay out the foundation of salvation.

"One verse" without any witnesses stand alone! but the God of ABRAHAM, ISAAC and JACOB point to the only true GOD. Just as these three are witnesses of truth, scripture has NEVER founded any doctrine on one verse.

Christan, your biting at the heels of Christ Himself, just as Paul did before his conversion.
---kathr4453 on 11/17/13


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"backbiting"? How's exposing a lie with the Truth even be considered "backbiting"? Shouldn't it be that one is exposed for bearing false witness of the Truth when being challenged?

For example, there are multitudes who claim that it is up to them to believe in Christ and choose Him in order to be saved. And they don't provide Scriptural backings to this claims but are rather confronted with Scriptures that instead opposes their claims.

For example, it is written, "...for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth" - doesn't this contradicts the freewill theology? I would say, outright!

"backbiting"? ... not even close.
---christan on 11/16/13


I see the backbiting will never cease, eh?
---Steveng on 11/16/13


The Blog question boils down to this: What are the true marks of the church?
1.A regenerated church body - John 3:5, Eph 2:8, Tit 3:5
2.The body is made up of believers baptized by immersion in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost - Mark 1:10, Matt 28:19.
3.Observation of the communion service - 1 Cor 11:25
4. Maintenance of church discipline - 1 Cor 5:15, 2 Cor 2:7
5. God called and God qualified ministers - 1 Tim 3:2 (apt to teach), Eph 3:2-7.
6. The ministers are lead by the Spirit of God - Acts 16:6, Luke 1:1-16.
7. The ministers do not preach for money, but for the love of God - 1 Cor 9:1-11, Phil 3:7.
---trey on 11/16/13


"...from the very first post you answered me."
Mark_V.

MarkV you don't even remember the first time I answered you so why lie about that?

You even told Kathr what a good guy I was because I agreed with something you said one time. Of course that was before you revealed your cultic views of non-commitment and foolish doctrines.

When I corrected your scriptural errors it was then that venom dripped from your two front needle teeth. It has gone on ever since. You try to bite others and me all the time. You can't because Christ gave us power over the enemy you serve.

PS, David is not a JW even though you try to slander him as you do everyone that disagrees with you.
---Elder on 11/16/13


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KarenD, I wasn't aware that bolding scripture here on CN was a sign of true humility. My apologies.
---kathr4453 on 11/15/13


"there is so much hatred amongst us so called christians on this blog it is so sad."janz

Harken unto the words of Christ, "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." - meaning, not everyone who claims to be a Christian is a Christian.

As Paul declares, "Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: The Lord knows those who are His,"

Honestly, it's very easy to recognise these false christians at a go. And that's when they tell you they were saved because they choose Christ out of their own freewill,which Christ explicitly disputes in John 6:37,44,65.
---christan on 11/15/13


markv, your self righteous side shows in your post for the past several months. you are trying to defend a belief that others don't share. there is no way you will ever convince elder, kathr, Karen, Darlene, and me...there are others but cant write all down. you and Christian stand alone in your elect belief.
what im saying is the fruits of your spirit is showing.
---shira4368 on 11/15/13


But here's the kicker, everyone at the crucifixion will be held accountable for that wicked act! Awesome isn't it?

---christan on 11/14/13

No, Because people are going to hell. And that is the worse thing ever to be completely cut-off from God. This "completely cut-off" is death physically and spiritually without hope of redeemtion.
---Scott1 on 11/15/13


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kathr4453...You are the one getting puffed up on this question. Didn't you notice that the words in bold were scripture? Your self-righteousness is showing.
---KarenD on 11/15/13


Janz, I believe I gave you my answer to the question you asked above. You will know them by their fruits. As you can see a lot of their fruits are showing everyday. Here is a passage,
"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits' (Matt. 7:15,16).
That is how I know them. Listen to what they have to say, it does not come from God. Instead of getting right with God, they continue each day with more dirt.
---Mark_V. on 11/15/13


But here's the kicker, everyone at the crucifixion will be held accountable for that wicked act! Awesome isn't it?

---christan on 11/14/13


I know Markv ...right!

Since God does not delight in the destruction of the wicked and since christan has no idea how many of those against Jesus were saved AFTER Jesus rose again ((unless he was there and knows for a fact God is also saying AWESOME)), we see even those who's shame here is not always behind closed doors is it? And since self righteous christan fails to see his own WICKEDNESS also put Jesus on the Cross, should we hold our breath waiting for his accountability?

Anyone who makes such comments is a true Pharisee to begin with.
---kathr4453 on 11/15/13


The TRUE Church are those baptized into Christ death and raised up together with him a NEW creature no longer Jew or Gentile.

Ephesians explains this. It is a Mystery. Paul uses ,Adam and Eve, a man and wife as this picture of a oneness with Christ. Paul tells us in Colossians this mystery was hidden but now revealed CHRIST in you. When Jesus prayed in John 17, he touched on this truth..."I "in them" and thou in me that we all may be ONE.

Noone before Jesus resurrection was ever ONE with God IN Christ. Not even earthly Israel.

Some claim by BOLDING verses concerning having "spiritual knowledge" proves nothing. That so called knowledge can be GNOSTOCISM and not the knowledge of Christ Himself.
---kathr4453 on 11/15/13


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Jesus did not give up on His disciples. They could fight with each other about who was the greatest. And Peter denied Jesus three times. Before Peter did that, Jesus told him, "Simon, Simon! Indeed, Satan has asked for you, that he may sift you as wheat. But I have prayed for you, that your faith should not fail, and when you have returned to Me, strengthen your brethren." (in Luke 22:31-32)

So, Jesus had prayed for Peter, even before Peter denied Jesus three times. This is how we can also love and not give up on anyone (c: Even after we have failed, Jesus' prayer can make us able to strengthen one another.
---willie_c: on 11/15/13


Janz, it is sad. You have to understand that many call themselves Christians but behind the scenes they act as if they never knew God. In person they act very holy, talk religious language, but behind close doors they are not even close, you cannot see any righteousness in them. Online since they do not see each other, it is the same thing. They don't feel embarrassed or ashamed. We are told, "you will know them by their fruits."
---Mark_V. on 11/15/13


janz, I see very little hate here. this forum is a place of intense debate. I have debated several but that does not mean I hate. I have nothing personally against anyone here. one thing for sure, we all aren't in one accord.I don't really know what working out our salvation means, but I think you are seeing that instead of hate.
---shira4368 on 11/15/13


there is so much hatred amongst us so called christians on this blog it is so sad.
---janz on 11/15/13


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Elder, I do not have to make an attempt to anger you, you are there already from the very first post you answered me.
I suppose this anger will never end so I can expect to hear your complains everyday.
I wish you a very happy day otherwise.
---Mark_V. on 11/15/13


MarkV, this is another slandering lie uttered from your mind. Show where I complained about you writing "Mr. Elder."

I knew it was a lame MarkV childish attempt to anger me. There is nothing you can do to do that. Much better than you have tried.

Your simpleton attempt resulted in "Master Mark." Remember? It was the rebound that angered you.

Your concept of reality lacks and causes you to make vain attempts to cast doubt on everything except your own concept of your personal greatness.

You will have to go back to your spin mill and try to distort this post to suit your fancy mental world of fakeness and darkness. Be sure to tell everyone, when you utter these lies, that you speak for God.
---Elder on 11/14/13


Christan, isn't it funny how those who oppose the right of God to choose whom He wills, find anything to argue about? Kathr complains about bold letters, makes a mountain out of nothing, Elder complained about writing down Mr. Elder, made a mountain out of nothing, Warwick judge me for saying, that I should not speak for God it sounds bad, made a mountain out of nothing. They just hate us so much for standing for God. They think their problem is with us when really their problem is with the Word of God. They really want their freedom from God. What they forget is that "it depends not upon man's will or exertion, but upon God's mercy." (Rom. 9:16). And they say, it is not true. That we are twisting the passages.
---Mark_V. on 11/14/13


John admonished Christians, "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world." 1 John 4:1

And verse 2 is very interesting, "Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God". And yet on judgement day, Jesus will say, "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." Matthew 7:21

And neither Scripture contradict one another.

"For of Him, and through Him, and to Him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen."
---christan on 11/14/13


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I am not going to belabor/push the point I will be making, for no amount of misbelief can truly ruin a pure heart ("heart of flesh" is how it's said in scripture). "I will take out of you the heart of STONE". There is a false "church" (the church of MAN 666 TRINITY has placed the flesh where "it ought not to be"..."Come out of her my people").

We have learned many misteachings (perditious teachings) over the last 2,000 years. We don't want to be the result/outcome ("son of") of those bad teachings. We must not settle for bad teaching ("and none is lost but the son of perdition"). Only some of The Lord's church is insincere. The "SHAKING", Hebrews 12:27.
---faithforfaith on 11/14/13


There are people who judge about if others are the real church or not, and they excuse themselves from how God wants us to love. But I am accountable for how Jesus wants me to love. With church people, He wants me to love them the way the Sermon on the Mount says.

Part of knowing we are His true church is that we are getting our Father's correction > Hebrews 12:8 > "But if you are without chastening, of which all are partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons." His correction succeeds in producing "the peaceable fruit of righteousness" (Hebrews 12:11), and makes us "partakers of His holiness" (Hebrews 12:10) . . . how His love in us is holy > "in this world" >1 John 4:17-18.
---willie_c: on 11/14/13


Acts 2 v's 38 - 41 & 47. To the Jewish people First on the day of Pentecost.
---Lawrence on 11/14/13


"Those BOLD words are not Christian's words. They are scripture which is the way Christian differentiates between his words and scripture."

Thank you KarenD.

Well, I was just recently told by that same person "How far did you get in school? the 4th grade." At least I got up to the 4th grade to know how to bold words from the Scriptures.

Can't say much about the pot calling the kettle black.
---christan on 11/14/13


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Throughout the Bible the people of God is the true church of God. The church of God is the bride of Christ. It does good then it will falter, it comes to God then it runs away from God. See Hosea, we are the wife. Acts Ch. 2:42 but by Ch. 5 and 6 problems arise, greed and racism. Look at Galatians, probably first of Paul's letters to one of his early church plants we read 1:6. My point is that we are the true church when we rely on him and their is no true-perfect church because it is made of people and people are not perfect.
---Scott1 on 11/13/13


well, no one bolded these verses in the Bible, we KNOW are verses.

WHY, because God never intended them to be used to get all puffed up and beat others over the head with, and twerk and stick out their tongue waving a foam finger in your face all at the same time.

One Miley in this world is more than enough. When Christians begin acting like Miley.....oh my....

Christan may be turned over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, if he doesn't learn to obediently surrender to the cross. Then we'll see what he has to say about that!

---kathr4453 on 11/13/13


Those BOLD words are not Christian's words. They are scripture which is the way Christian differentiates between his words and scripture.
---KarenD on 11/13/13


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