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"These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual." (2 Corinthians 2:13) If we live in and love in the things which God's word's are talking about, this might save us from a lot of arguing. Do you agree?

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Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth?

Christ came to make peace with God for men, and to give the Gospel of peace, and spiritual and eternal peace to men, but not external peace, especially that, which is not consistent with the preservation of truth. I tell you, nay, whatever suppositions you have made, or whatever notions you have entertained, I solemnly affirm, and you may depend upon it, I am not come into the world on any such account, as to establish outward peace among men,

but rather division,
so he calls the Gospel, which in Matthew is styled a "sword", the Gospel is the sword of the Spirit, which divides asunder soul and Spirit, and separates a man from his former principles and practices,
---kathr4453 on 12/9/13


"This same murdering spirit"
Where and what (murdering spirit) are you talking about?
Are you talking about the powers of Satan again?

Have we forgotten Col_1:16?
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Rom_13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

Oh I forgot you haven't agree with (Satan has no power!)
So go on, What (murdering spirit) are you talking about?
Please be clear, and please don't go on and on, like you do.
Pease
---TheSeg on 12/9/13


Kathr, if you had read what Richard wrote, you would have known what division Jesus was speaking of in (Luke 12:51-53). The division is between those born of God and those who are not born of God. The children of God and the children of Satan.
"Do you suppose that I came to bring peace on earth? I tell you, not at all, but rather division." Matthew speaks of the same division in (10:34). Jesus is the Prince of Peace, but those who join Him in Baptism become divided from those who are not of Christ.
This division Christ brought, not Calvin your friend.
---Mark_V. on 12/9/13


RICHARDC, What is the division Jesus is giving and what is the division satan brings? satan is trying to destroy all with his division. What is Jesus's division about? Not destroying family's as you think, but the word does say that. Tell me what happens when one person for a family of nonbelievers gets born again?
---BRYAN on 12/8/13


Karthr - Then give your explanation Luke 12:51 - ( As I have it right now Jesus is speaking here )
---RICHARDC on 12/8/13




RICHARD, please show where Jesus or Paul instructed Christians to attack and curse others, thereby bringing glory to God.

Don't use your carnality to excuse your bad behavior. James also clearly says this behavior is not from above but below, earthly, demonic.

After two or three admonitions REJECT.

1 Corinthians 1:10
Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

1 Corinthians 3:3
For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
---kathr4453 on 12/8/13


It's carnal Calvinism that Paul is addressing to those in 1st Corinthians. And goes on to say Calvin did not die for anyone's sin.

Calvin was a horrible murdering carnal man you all follow. How could someone so carnal and evil have any light of spirituality to bring to anyone.

We see Calvinism is reaping what it has sown for the last 500-600 years. And we also see this same murdering spirit within Markv and Christan as well, they seem to be so proud of.
---kathr4453 on 12/8/13


Elder, am I "jumping on you" or am I speaking the truth?
What? You don't think I do the same things?

Christ said in Mat_21:21
Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree,
(You will do and are doing these things, but by the same hand.)
if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea, it shall be done.

If we believe it's the spirit of God that must reveal all truth to us. And someone doesn't/can't/won't believe us. Yet we know Satan has no power of his own! Will you now ask me then whose fault is it?
Peace
---TheSeg on 12/8/13


Shira, you say, I say no one seeks after God, but it was not me who said that, it is in God's Word. You just do not believe it.
There is none who understands, there is none who seeks after God" (Rom. 3:11). Pretty clear it is in God's Word. Then you say,
"markv, Jesus said "behold I stand at the door and knock. Im sure that means every human." and here again you say something you believe in that is not even in the Bible. You reject what is Truth, and belive what is not a lie. Jesus never knocks at the door of anyone. You have seen too many Jehovah Witnesses.
---Mark_V. on 12/8/13


Shira 2: you also said,
" markv you said no one seeks God so how can anyone be saved if they don't seek God."
They can only be saved by God's grace through faith. Let me set the stage. All descendants of Adam are under the curse, condemned already. The curse under which sinners have fallen, cannot be removed nor the transgressor released unti full satisfaction has been made to it. Such satisfaction the sinner himself is utterly unable to render. "By the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in His sight" (Rom. 3:20) Jesus was made a curse for us who believe. (Gal. 3:13).
God makes us alive while we were dead in trespasses and sins. It is by Grace that we are saved through faith.
---Mark_V. on 12/8/13




markv, Jesus said "behold I stand at the door and knock. Im sure that means every human. also "choose this day whom you will serve" Jesus came in the world not to condemn the world but that the world thru Him will be saved". markv you said no one seeks God so how can anyone be saved if they don't seek God. you must not understand why we must be a witness. we can witness by our lifestyle. why do we have churches and a visitation ministry? to get sinners under the preaching of the Word.
---shira4368 on 12/7/13


Seg, MarkV does just what you said all the time. I don't see you jumping on him. Could you show me where I have said those things.
Christianet bloggers have left the ministry to shame and slam others. It must be the sign of the times.
If you were to go back and look at my post I have never started calling names first.
I have always protected my stand in the Gospel Truth as printed in the Bible.
---Elder on 12/7/13


MarkV, you must think that people don't read what I write and just take your "word" for it.
Everything you say that I said is a markv lie. I never said any of those things that you claim.
Your posting of Bible verses is always out of context.
You said you never asked Christ to Save you. You say no one can tell if they are going to heaven yet you tell others they are lost.
This leads me to believe that you have a mental problem. Your visions of grandur are satanic at best. You are not what you think you are
---Elder on 12/7/13


BRYAN on 12/7 - satan is the one who brings Divisions ???????????????????

Luke 12:51 - Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on Earth ? Nay : but rather division:
---RICHARDC on 12/7/13


Elder,
"For the Son of Man came to seek and to save that which was lost" (Luke 19:10). Jesus does the seeking, finding and the saving. He actually saves those He finds. The unsaved never seek after God (Rom. 3:11)
Christ came to carry into effect God's Sovereign purpose of election, to save people already "His" (Matt. 1:21). There are a people God hath "from the beginning chosen unto salvation" (2 Thess. 2:13), and redemption was in order to the accomplishing of that decree. Something you do not understand.
You believe the unsaved, while blind and dead in trespasses and sins, exercise his free will by seeking Christ. Because as most of you say, God cannot force His will on you.
---Mark_V. on 12/7/13


satan is the one who brings division. I'm not call any of you satan. He is the one who brings division, The point here is we all have a interpretation of the word. But as we all sow it for life "Gods life" it will produce his life in us and those who have ears to hear. "Mark 4"
---BRYAN on 12/7/13


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Elder, there you go again, saying I jump to conclusions. All I do is give you the Word of God, the clear passages, and you oppose all of them so you say I jump to conclusions. Why don't you answer the passages I give you? Salvation with man is impossible, you say it is not.
What you do not believe is that the unsaved is dead to God. You say he has a free will while he is dead to God. That he can take himself out of condemnation, heading to hell, by exercising his free will. He doesn't need God. He has his own free will. Is that jumping to conclusions?
You must mean that God is jumping to conclusions, because He is not the beginner of your faith, you have your own faith and don't need His to believe in Christ.
---Mark_V. on 12/7/13


Markv, you are all helter skelter here with your comments. Perhaps, since you like commentaries, I found one who you will like, Hebrews , John MacArthur, 1983 edition by moody press. I believe John is a Calvinist! or at least one you say you like. He will explain to you what you simply cannot understand concerning. ALL of Hebrews 2.

You agree God never forces anyone to be crucified with Christ correct! showing no one is forced to be saved. YOU are not saved apart from your own identification with Jesus in death and resurrection life.

So Calvinist or not, the truth stands.
---kathr4453 on 12/7/13


Markv, it took a couple days to get back with you, as I was doing research on what Calvinists believe concerning Hebrews 2. So I went to a Christan bookstore to look in commentaries written by Calvinists, just out of curiosity of what they think Hebrews 2 means to them...you.

Much to my delight in reading John Macarthur's commentary on Hebrews, not only does he reiterate all The Lord showed me, but even expounds on our identification with Jesus in death and resurrection life.

So, I suggest if you have issues with the truth of this doctrine, just e-mail John MacArthur and call him your names with cursings. I'll keep looking into Calvinists commentaries to see who agrees with your nonsense. So far, I simply cannot find one.
---kathr4453 on 12/7/13


Hey, that's just like me!
I don't have any enemies......it's just that all my friends hate me!
---1st_cliff on 12/7/13


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This is just too good! Folks arguing over how to stop arguing.




---jerry6593 on 12/7/13


Oh then I'm sorry, so what would be the appropriate word for someone?
Who is speaking the truth of God and people say of him:
He is a liar, he is trying to pick people apart, he is argumentative and he is a troublemaker?
Which word is more appropriate friend of foe?

I daresay these things would not be said of the brother in the Lord Jesus Christ. Especially when all that person wants is to hear the truth spoken!
And as you can clearly see these things have been said of me, haven't they?
I have not heard kathr say I agree have you?


Ps. I also like kathr's post of 12/5/13!
"If you go back and read, (from the beginning!)"
Yes do!
Peace
---TheSeg on 12/7/13


"You guys are not my enemies, Oh though you perceive me to be yours."
TheSeg

Seg, don't jump to conclusions like MarkV does. I have seen no one who has indicated that you are their enemy. I, for certain, have never indicated that.
---Elder on 12/6/13


Kathr, you argue with:
"God will never FORCE anyone to be crucified with Christ," THAT comes as a act of our obedience and our desire to be set free from sin and death." Only believers in Christ desire to be set free from sin. God never forces anyone to be crucified with Christ. He make them able to see, hear and gives them a new heart to perceive, while they were yet dead in trespasses and sins.
And when their eyes were open, and they understood their condition, that they were rebelling against God, they ask for forgiveness. Why don't you understand? I know why, the Bible says, about those who are unsaved,
"There is none who understands, there is none who seeks after God" (Rom. 3:11)
---Mark_V. on 12/6/13


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First and foremost at no time did I say "you corrected anyone."
I said kathr corrected you. //Elder, this is what scripture tells us.//
(Showing him the errors of your ways!)12/3!

//Kathr will agree// lt's ask her!
Is it true //Satan has no power within himself of any sort.//

//I asked you a question that you didn't/couldn't answer.//
Oh, but I did answer from the very beginning "he did not have the power"

Stirring up trouble?
Is this what you call someone who wants to hear the truth?
You know they did the same thing to Christ.

You guys are not my enemies, Oh though you perceive me to be yours.
Anyway, thank you, for speaking the truth!
May God bless and hold you.
Peace
---TheSeg on 12/4/13


The Seg, thank you for your answers concerning the Sovereignty of God. I believe that not many know the God they say they worship, mostly "free willers".
No one lives or dies without God's permission. He has the power of life and death no matter how the person dies. No one can take another breath without Him allowing him to take that breath.
"For in Him we live and move and have our being.." (Acts 17:28).
"And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, "and has determined their preappointed times" and their dwellings" (Acts 17:26).
---Mark_V. on 12/5/13


What I really see here goes back to willie_c question. Those like TheSeg , not walking in love, doesn't want to stop arguing. Love COVERS a multitude of sins.

If you go back and read, from the beginning, everyone can see "who" threw the first punch calling names and accusations, calling the words of free willers "filth", leading other thugs to follow in the bashing.

No one really cared to read the WHOLE of what was being said, but loved to just pick a word here and there, take out of context, and accuse, RATHER than all rejoice in the TRUTH of how much God loved us HE gave his only begotten Son to bring us from death to life, through His own death and resurrection.
---kathr4453 on 12/5/13


But the deeper thing going on here is important too. The truth of our new birth only comes THROUGH our identification with Jesus in death and resurrection life. This fact, the Calvinist becomes agitated with because "their rebirthing" has nothing to do with that identification.

God will never FORCE anyone to be crucified with Christ, THAT comes as a act of our obedience and our desire to be set free from sin and death.

They never came through the correct way, and they stand in the way and won't let others come through either.

I believe there is a verse where Jesus rebukes on this very issue. He's rebuking the Pharisee. The Pharisee's mentality is..."I'm already the elect" who needs Jesus.
---kathr4453 on 12/5/13


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Seg, I didn't correct kathr, Shirl or anyone except your statement.
Kathr will agree that Satan has no power within himself of any sort.
I asked you a question that you didn't/couldn't answer. So answer or say you don't know just don't try to stir trouble in places you can't.
---Elder on 12/4/13


elder don't need me to answer for him and Ive never answered for him.
When why did you?

STOP ARGUING TheSeg.
1Pe_3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

So I ask again!
Elder is it, "Satan had the power of death" or "Satan never had the power of death."
Because like James said: "A double minded man is unstable in all his ways."

So did the Lord Christ (from the beginning always have) the power over Life and Death?
Let's forget about what you meant before and just go with what you say now!
Peace
---TheSeg on 12/4/13


STOP ARGUING TheSeg.

What matters is what scriptures says. It says Jesus Christ's death destroyed the devil who had the power of death. Why can't anyone read and see this is what the verse says.

Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of deaththat is, the devil and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death.

What's wrong with you people?
---Anonymous on 12/4/13


elder don't need me to answer for him and Ive never answered for him. I will just take up for him because I know what he believes.
---shira4368 on 12/4/13


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wow, keep picking elder apart. believe me, elder knows what he said. his belief never changes.
shira
That's just great shira. So then Elder shouldn't have a problem with answering for himself, right!

Elder is it, "Satan had the power of death" or "Satan never had the power of death."
Because like James said: "A double minded man is unstable in all his ways."

So did the Lord Christ (from the beginning always have) the power over Life and Death?
Let's forget about what you meant before and just go with what you say now!

And Shira no one is picking Elder apart! I do not fear him or him me.
This is just for clarification, as to what he is saying. Have a great day!
Peace
---TheSeg on 12/4/13


No one here is talking about Calvinism markv except you Calvinists who have caused so much contention on the subject here of Jesus Death and resurrection and what the FINISHED WORKS of Christ consisted of.

So stop interjecting your extra biblical twist.
---kathr4453 on 12/4/13


Kathr, you give,
"1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil, for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil."

and then oppose the passage you gave.
Those without Christ are dead in trespasses and sin, without hope, unless God brings them to Christ.
What you are teaching is that the unsaved are not dead in trespasses and sin, opposing (Eph. 1:2:1-4)

"God may perhaps grant that they will repent and come to know the Truth, "and they may escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will" (2 Tim. 2:25,26). They are under the control of satan by God's will.
---Mark_V. on 12/4/13


Answer. According to Romans 5, DEATH had already passed on to Job. In Adam all die, that is, the sentence of DEATH was already on Job.

Jesus said in the Garden, " Father, if there be any other way, let this cup pass from me". I believe if there was another way, then it would be that way, but it appears there was no other way for man to pass from the sentence of death due to Adams sin, holding us in bondage to sin and death and the power sin had over us, to "eternal life" THROUGH Jesus Christ and the breaking of that power of sin and death, except through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, and our identification with Jesus in death and resurrection life Romans 6, Gal 2:20-21. Colossians 2
---kathr4453 on 12/4/13


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wow, keep picking elder apart. believe me, elder knows what he said. his belief never changes. satan does have power but not over death. Christ conquered death, hell and the grave when He was crucified. some here take things and turn them inside out and have the gall to post it. it really shows how much one knows about the bible.
---shira4368 on 12/4/13


"But, this is wrong right kathr? Satan had the power of death!"12/2. Elder believed I was saying "Satan had the power of death!"

Elder came back with "Oh yea? Why didn't he kill Job then?"12/2 (Showing me, he knew it was true!)

Kathr, even addressed Elder statement.12/3 "Elder, this is what scripture tells us." (Showing him the errors of your ways!)

Now Elder comes back with "This is typical of someone who doesn't have an answer to a issue they brought up."12/3

Yet, that same question was ready answered on 12/2!
But was something they, like you, believed!
Right Elder, you now believe "Satan had the power of death?"

Peace
---TheSeg on 12/3/13


Rev 12:10 ...Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
2Pet 2:11-12 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord. But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not, and shall utterly perish in their own corruption,
Acts 5:38-39 And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought: But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it, lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.
---kathr4453 on 12/3/13


"Oh yea? Why didn't he kill Job then?
Satan had to get God's permission just to torment Job.
Elder
Why don't we ask him or better yet, ask kathr!"

This is typical of someone who doesn't have an answer to a issue they brought up.

If you want a truthful answer you would have to ask God or His servant kathr.
---Elder on 12/3/13


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Proverbs 6:16-19


16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,

19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
---kathr4453 on 12/3/13


There is nothing outside of God!

1)The Lord are God, is one!
2)God is unchanging, he does not change.
He is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.
3)God made everything there is visible and invisible.
All things were created by him(FOR HIM)
Whether they are thrones, dominions, principalities or powers!

So why do people keep arguing, because!
These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Should I keep arguing?
When a person try changing one of these this? Yes!
Because you will always have new people coming to the faith of the Lord!
Believe only those things which are true!
Peace
---TheSeg on 12/3/13


2Tim 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Pro 13:10 Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well advised [is] wisdom.
Pro 21:19 [It is] better to dwell in the wilderness, than with a contentious and an angry woman.
Pro 27:15 A continual dropping in a very rainy day and a contentious woman are alike.
Pro 19:20 Hear counsel, and receive instruction, that thou mayest be wise in thy latter end.
Mark 8:21 And he said unto them, How is it that ye do not understand?
---micha9344 on 12/3/13


1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil, for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

I can really understand how all the Calvinists here really hate this verse. it goes totally against EVERYTHING Calvinism teaches.

So their ranting and ravings only expose their own failed false doctrine once again.

On one hand they insist you are in bondage to Satan without any HOPE, DEAD in trespass and sin, God being Satan's puppet-master holding you there) and never tell you Christ destroyed that very bondage through His own death and resurrection. They are asking...why would God need to destroy Himself.... LOL
---kathr4453 on 12/3/13


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Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same, ((that through death he might destroy him that had the (power of death,) that is, the devil,))

So, it appears many here call God a liar and His word a lie.

1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil, for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

1 John 5:11-13

11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

12 He that hath the Son hath life, and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
---kathr4453 on 12/3/13


Oh yea? Why didn't he kill Job then?
Satan had to get God's permission just to torment Job.
Elder
Why don't we ask him or better yet, ask kathr!


Jesus didn't gain power, He revealed it.
micha9344 on 12/2/13
Micha9344, can you provide any scripture to back that up.
Kathr

Micha, it seems to me. Kathr is asking you to prove God has all the power!
I believe she been told before, but!
Col_1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

And for him!
Think she saw it this time? I don't.
Peace
---TheSeg on 12/3/13


Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same, ((that through death he might destroy him that had the (power of death,) that is, the devil,))


Elder, this is what scripture tells us. That through Christ's death, Christ destroy him that had (((the power of death,))) that is, the devil.

Old things pass away ALL things become NEW. Jesus is head of the NEW CREATION, the "firstborn" from the dead. Everything Associated with this old creation is death, and will one day be totally destroyed.....not reincarnated, rebirthed, or revived.

I think the problem is, many don't understand the verse itself.
---kathr4453 on 12/3/13


Kathr, you say many do not understand the Cross and write three post together to explain your mistakes. Jesus has always had the power of Life. He did not say today I have got the power of life. Don't you understand that He is God, and has always had the power of Life and death? He is the same, yesterday, today and forever. He is the resurrection and the life, before His death and after His death. You just confuse everything you say, put a lot of passages together with different context to explain all the mistakes you make, because it is you who does not understand.
---Mark_V on 12/3/13


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Jesus didn't gain power, He revealed it.
---micha9344 on 12/2/13

Micha, you took a part of the whole conversation and tried to redefine what The WHOLE of the context was talking about.

Your eternal life was WON at the cross. Your freedom from the bondage of sin and death was WON at the Cross. Through His death and resurrection He set the captives free, and set us free from sin and death.

His death literally destroyed the power satan held over death, just as YOUR identification with Jesus in death LITERALLY destroys the power sin and death has over you. Romans 6.

That's something to be deeply meditated on, before carelessly trying to find something you took out of context to ARGUE about. ...just like TheSeg.
---kathr4453 on 12/3/13


1 Corinthians 15:19-21

19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.


Ok let's say this again with more scripture to back up Hebrews 2.

Lazarus was recessitated, not resurrected with a glorified body. Lazarus did not and is still not walking around in his resurrected decaying body.

Many here STILL do not understand the CROSS and what happened at the cross. This is most sad.
---kathr4453 on 12/2/13


1 Peter 1:3-4

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

Wow, this says it all. Without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sin. And we know the blood of bulls and goats COULD NEVER take away sin.

YOU ALL ALSO DENY THE BLOOD OF JESUS.


But argue all you want....I'll again believe scripture, not man's silly interpretation of what he THINKS scripture means.

YOU ARE NOTHING APART FROM THE RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST.
---kathr4453 on 12/2/13


Jesus didn't gain power, He revealed it.
---micha9344 on 12/2/13

Micha9344, can you provide any scripture to back that up.

Paul said, that I may know Him and the POWER of HIS RESURRECTION. So the power of His resurrection is what is being discussed here. Any power I may have is not independent of the very life of the RISEN Christ in me. He died so I could live.

Hebrews 13:20-21 and Romans 8:11-13 read together, Galatians 2:20 and Romans 6-8 Colossians 1 and 2 all seem to disagree with your statement.

Would there be any RESURRECTION POWER if Jesus did not Himself FIRST have victory over death?
---kathr453 on 12/2/13


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Well, "blessed quietness holy quietness ,as the storm speaks Jesus speaks to me, let the billows roll"..I try to be this way in real life,too. I am right now, just quiet before the Lord. It baffles me, I just going to keep it in prayer.

because ( even you all who are bible scholars) you want to let the love of Christ show.. Matt.6 you are the light of the world.. When we "act"like the world with name calling, insults..UNSAVED person May be think " opposite" let's say than what they should think of a christian. Love is not puffed up,does not seek it's own.This is a priviledge!!! ChristiaNet.We should treat it as such. Just a thought.I am a simple woman.Love of Jesus!
---Lidia4796 on 12/2/13


"Satan had the power of death!"
TheSeg

Oh yea? Why didn't he kill Job then?
Satan had to get God's permission just to torment Job. Too many people give Satan credit. I think thois is because they don't understand God.
---Elder on 12/2/13


and it literally took Jesus Death and resurrection to For Jesus to have the power of LIFE
kathr

Joh_11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
(Why no, I believe you will be. Not, you are!)

Col_1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

The I AM part of it? That is so funny, kathr
It's I AM, NOT I WILL BE! Joh_11:40!
Peace
---TheSeg on 12/2/13


"...it literally took Jesus Death and resurrection to For Jesus to have the power of LIFE..."kathr4453 on 12/2/13
Jesus did not have the power of life before the resurrection?
How did Lazarus come back?
John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life...
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life...
John 1:4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
Acts 3:15 And killed the Prince of life...
--His resurrection gave us the power over death.
Heb 2:14 ...that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil,
Jesus didn't gain power, He revealed it.
---micha9344 on 12/2/13


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That through the eyes of Christs, you might understand, Satan never had the power of death.
But was something they, like you, believed!
But, this is wrong right kathr? Satan had the power of death!
Peace

---TheSeg on 12/2/13

Through even the EYES of Christ Satan DID have the power of death, and it literally took Jesus Death and resurrection to For Jesus to have the power of LIFE......His RISEN LIFE actually! Jesus said I AM the Resurrection. When you Understand the I AM part of it, you will understand that only IN CHRIST's RISEN LIFE do you have any LIFE at all.

May want to change from those Twinkies to maybe Moon pies TheSeg. You might be able to not only think more clearly but write more clearly too.
---kathr4453 on 12/2/13


Heb 2:13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, ((Behold I and the children which (God hath given) me.))
God didnt give Christ the children, right!

Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same, ((that through death he might destroy him that had the (power of death,) that is, the devil,))

Heb 2:15 And deliver them who ((through (fear of death were) all their lifetime subject to bondage.))

That through the eyes of Christs, you might understand, Satan never had the power of death.
But was something they, like you, believed!

But, this is wrong right kathr? Satan had the power of death!
Peace
---TheSeg on 12/2/13


Willie_c, the problem lies in those who believe they have all the truth and the only truth! and that they are and have complete knowledge of all and everything. The arguing comes from those who refuse to humble themselves and actually LISTEN to what someone else has to say. Even in our every day life, it's hard to live with and deal with the KNOW IT ALL.
kathr4453 on 11/30/13

I want to thank you kathr, for explaining it!
But isn't this kind-of-like "the pot calling the kettle black?"
You can say no! But you know it's true!

See Willie_c we need to be more like kathr.
So peaceful and calm inside, like the sea at the end of time!
Have a great day folks!
Peace
---TheSeg on 12/2/13


Perhaps Markv if you understood and BELIEVED Hebrews 2, of which you say you do not, you would know no one can give them-self LIFE. You claim man is in bondage to total depravity, where scripture states man is in bondage to satan. Hebrews 2.

God commissioned Paul to preach the Gospel in Rome and all places.to turn them from Satan to God.. You have argued time and time again against this truth, and it is totally opposed to Calvinism.

Cults hate Hebrews, because it has too much truth and instantly exposes those who have built on sinking sand.

I'll stick with the scriptures you call filthy. And I will continue to proclaim the truth you call filthy.

I trust God's judgement, not your OPINION.
---kathr4453 on 12/2/13


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Acts 26:16-19

16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee, ---

18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me..

19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:

THIS heavenly vision a Calvinist will never have or are they called to.
---kathr4453 on 12/2/13


Kathr, you now say,
" The arguing comes from those who refuse to humble themselves and actually LISTEN to what someone else has to say."
I have listened to you, and only filth comes from your mouth. Being kind to you does not work.
You speak of "humble," only those who humble themselves before Christ are saved. What it does show is that you have accepted the fact that you were helpless while lost. That nothing you did saved you. Because you had no hope, heading to hell, but you do not humble yourselves before God, because you teach that while fallen and lost, dead in trespasses and sins, you had the ability to come to Christ if you wanted to. That you were not helpless, you had one hope, your own free will.
---Mark_V. on 12/1/13


Willie_c, the problem lies in those who believe they have all the truth and the only truth! and that they are and have complete knowledge of all and everything. The arguing comes from those who refuse to humble themselves and actually LISTEN to what someone else has to say. Even in our every day life, it's hard to live with and deal with the KNOW IT ALL.

Know-it-all's in the work place cause much arguing and contention among other employees. It's a TOXIC environment no matter what.

They have placed themselves as superior above all others, lording it over others even to the point of cursing and calling names, as they pronounce everyone stupid, except themselves.
---kathr4453 on 11/30/13


Bro. Willie, we are also called to
"Have no fellowship with the unfruitfl works of darkness, but rather expose them. For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret. But all things that are exposed are made manifest by the light, for whatever makes manifest is light." (Eph. 5:11-13). I believe what happens is that we love everyone, but what they say that is false has to be exposed.
---Mark_V. on 11/29/13


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I think different ones of us have good points about what you are talking about and what you mean (c: lolololol

I think of how Paul says a wrong teacher "is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words," in 1 Timothy 6:3-5. Instead of having the spiritual things that the words are talking about, the person is only arguing with words, not even experiencing what the words are talking about.

It could be like using an automobile manual to teach about a car, and you have never even seen a car (c:

There are spiritual things of God's love, which demonstrate what His words really mean.

It's like how no number of words can tell you what a picture looks like, "but words can help you to notice things" (c:
---willie_c: on 11/25/13


"And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her Seed, He shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise His heel"
There will always be a division between the two. The children of the Serpent (the devil) and the children of God. This division was put on by God.
---Mark_V. on 11/23/13


"If we live in and love in the things which God's word's are talking about, this might save us from a lot of arguing. Do you agree?" Yes.
This word in particular, as we rest in our Father's Love. "Flee youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.
But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes. The servant of the Lord must not strive, but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves, if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth, 2Ti 2:22-25
---joseph on 11/22/13


"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me."
Matthew 10:34-37
---christan on 11/22/13


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Hello,Bro.Willie,much respect goes out to you. I got to say yes, there are some who really do argue & others it may be a debate. I am not the intelligent scholarly type but, I have learned like my grandmother used to say " best thing is live in peace, worse come to worse be quiet go before the Lord & pray!"
There are times, I have felt hurt for people on here. I stay away at times my love never decrease but, yeah the name calling hurts my spirit...
so, I pray we could all get along and love one another. I was taught by my mom " agree to disagree - but not take it to heart, don't get bitter"
She was not saved. It makes sense.
---Lidia4796 on 11/21/13


If we live in and love in the things which God's word's are talking about, this might save us from a lot of arguing. Do you agree?
---willie_c: on 11/20/13

I would like to see it with you, but scripture testifies a different expectation.
The Prophets/Apostles/Lord, died violent deaths for their testimony, as prophecied.

Luk_12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay, but rather division:

Rom_12:18 If it be possible,..... as much as lieth in you,...... live peaceably with all men.

There was peace amongst the persecuted internally and peace in common understanding.

There is no common understanding here, or in the churches today. Each preferring their own way.
---Trav on 11/21/13


Willie, I know that it is almost impossible to not find arguments in this blogs. Many are not led by the Spirit of God as the passages in (1 Cor. 12:11-13)indicates. So when something is brought up, many will completely disagree with you, some so hard they will search for you in other blogs just to disagree with you again even if what you are saying is Truth. They are so consumed in their vengence that the Truth is completely lost. And since they don't believe the Truth anyway they hardened their hearts even more.
---Mark_V. on 11/21/13


Willie, Don't mistake debating with arguing!(haranguing)
Debating or argumentation is a learning tool used in all universities!
Dogmatism is more the "problem"!
---1st_cliff on 11/20/13


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Don't confuse yourself with arguing and debating what's Truth vs lies.

Btw, the verse you quoted is from 1 Corinthians 2:13 and not 2 Corinthians 2:13. Just so you know, that's not the context of 1 Corinthians 2, about one arguing with another.

The context of 1 Corinthians 2 is with regards to the things that's written in the Bible. Paul was explaining that it's the Spirit of God that reveals the Truth to the carnal man. That without the Spirit, we will never know the things of God at all.

Paul was confirming Christ's declaration, "It is the spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."
---christan on 11/20/13


no, because I claim the Holy Spirit speaks to me in one way and someone else claims the Holy Spirit speaks a different way. The devil plays games with us and we loose sight of what is important.
---Scott1 on 11/20/13


The problem is that most of the people here misunderstand God's word, and substitute traditions and precepts of men, such as "accept Christ" and "personal Savior."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/20/13


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