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Should we serve God out of love for Him or out of hope of ultimate reward?

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MarkV, again it is you who claim people/I don't love you. That is something you say.

I have expressed my love for you many times. You just take Scriptural correction as hate. So have others. I don't spend this much time on anyone with out loving him or her.

You post false things like this all the time. I am beginning to think you are so confused that you really believe people hate you or you just say that to play the victim.

It is sad but that is you MarkV.
---Elder on 12/19/13


MarkV, You posted on this very blog that your wife died.
You lie again. You can't remember them all.

You pervert the Word of God like you tried with John 12:32. How do you explain verse 36? You must reject John 12:44-50.

John 13:1-16 shows that Satan, not God, influenced Judas to chose to betray Christ.

Peter first chose to reject Jesus' foot washing. Jesus convinced him to submit/choose His washing example. If you choose not to be washed then you choose to be unclean. Jesus didn't force Himself on any of them.

Everything I've posted to you was to try to help you see this. Your fancy mind makes up lies to try to benefit your arguments.

Your demeanor and action always proves my points clearly.
---Elder on 12/19/13


Elder 2:
"He who says he is in the light, and hates his brother, is in darkness, until now. He who loves his brother abides in the light, and there is no cause for stumbling in him. "But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness," and does not know where he is going because the darkness has blinded his eyes" (1 John 2:9-11). This happens to those who wake up with hate in their hearts, giving proof of what kind of spirit is in them, for there is never a conviction in their hearts, the reason they practice sin. Most are wolves.
I know you know people on CN who give you insight information, by your answers. But I am not scared of you, I'm not scared to expose those without love.
---Mark_V. on 12/19/13


Elder, is this the best you can do, call me more names?
"MarkV you are deranged. No one on CN knew your wife was dead or that she left you 30 years ago. All I could tell is that you are a mentally sick man and full of satanic hatred.". With your comment, you knew about my wife, or why would you make that statement?
And gain, bring Satan to your defense. You tried to trash my testimony, the testimony I have given to many here who have lost a love one. But you cannot help who you are. When someone try's to change the Truth to a lie. Keep blessing me with your hatred. I know you were appointed to be that way,
"They stumble, being disobedient to the Word, to which they also were appointed" (1 Peter 2:8).
---Mark_V. on 12/19/13


Just saw this,respectfully, I believe we should serve out of Love! I can not tell you HOW many times, God has help me,there would not be room to tell it all. He has given me love,mercy patience in a hard situation, I never would have been able to bear! gone all sight one eye, over half the other.my sight! I got to say I am serving him out of Love & His mercy He has been & remains my protection. My hearing very good, sense of smell excellante.Truly Blessed, truly God!
---Lidia4796 on 12/18/13




MarkV you are deranged. No one on CN knew your wife was dead or that she left you 30 years ago. All I could tell is that you are a mentally sick man and full of satanic hatred. You then try to hide behind a salvation doctrine that is not valid. You also think no one knows you use more than one name to post with so you can make out that others support your distorted views. You are untrustworthy.
I will ask you one personal question. Did you treat your wife as hateful as you do the people on CN? Is that why she left. That makes your wife and son your victim also No one ever attacked your wife either. You think you are so special that God chose you and not others. God calls men everywhere to repent. Some will and others wont. You havent
---Elder on 12/18/13


markv, how can you stand yourself the way you talk about others? you see....I know better concerning elder's ministry. for 10 yrs he has used all his money and his house to support a ministry that others don't even care about. satan has used some against him. they want to go hunting but don't contribute anything to help them. they are totally committed. when I say you need to be careful how you treat God's man, I mean it. both of us have tried to witness to you and you reject. you are at least using your own will to reject what God has ordained. that markv is free will at work.
---shira4368 on 12/18/13


Elder, this time you wrote four post to really say:
"You talk about the Ministry the Lord uses me in but my family never walked out on me. Your hateful attitude will never allow you to humble down and see the error of your way and recover those who left you."

You now use my testimony to speak against me and wife, when she left 30 years ago, and she is dead, unable to get her back, to show that you are a godly man and I am not, well that is great. Talk about hate, you sure hate very well.
First you used Satan to defend your views, then you use my testimony to trash me. Everyone should be scared to give their testimony when you are around. You keep showing what kind of person you really are.
---Mark_V. on 12/18/13


Part 1
MarkV I notice that you have used the same words that I used in describing you and your attitude. Can you think on your own or do you always have to copy others?

Revelation 21:8 is your future destination. You again post things I haven't said.

Why do you do that except to distort the issues? I think it comes from a mind influenced by something other than a healthy lifestyle.
---Elder on 12/17/13


Part 2
You state one thing and then deny it. Your hatred runnith over, your lies flow like water, your false doctrine shows what you are. You don't honor God. You reduce Him to an unjust, unholy butcher. You leave out His nature of perfect love, fairness, justice, righteousness and holiness. You deny the accountability of man. God has made all things possible and fair for every sinner.

You deny that and Him and distort His truth with your made up foolishness. Then you want people to think you are somebody spiritual. You can't even relate to people for more than a few words. You condemn and lie then think people should bow down to you.
---Elder on 12/17/13




markv, ok now. when did I ever say God doesn't save individuals? another made up comment. what I said is GOD SAVES WHOSOEVER WILL CALL ON HIS NAME. your belief is that God saves a few chosen ones who are so much better than everyone else. you have yourself on a pedestal. you make like God chose you over others. All men are created equal. that's what I believe and that's because what I said is bible.
---shira4368 on 12/17/13


Part 2
You state one thing and then deny it. Your hatred runnith over, your lies flow like water, your false doctrine shows what you are. You don't honor God. You reduce Him to an unjust, unholy butcher. You leave out His nature of perfect love, fairness, justice, righteousness and holiness. You deny the accountability of man. God has made all things possible and fair for every sinner.

You deny that and Him and distort His truth with your made up foolishness. Then you want people to think you are somebody spiritual. You can't even relate to people for more than a few words. You condemn and lie then think people should bow down to you.
---Elder on 12/17/13


Part 3
You talk about the Ministry the Lord uses me in but my family never walked out on me. Your hateful attitude will never allow you to humble down and see the error of your way and recover those who left you.
They will suffer Hell because of you. That is what you should concern yourself with. I guess you are proud of that because you are MarkV. Remember we all cant be wrong. You are the most disrespected person to post on CN in over a decade. That is for a reason also.
---Elder on 12/17/13


markv, I can guarantee if elder was around you, he would preach the same message. I have been with him and his wife in public. He is always the same. I have watched him witness in a book store. that makes you not know what you are talking about.
---shira4368 on 12/17/13


Elder, you are still whining and complaining. I'm not God, I don't know if you are saved or not. By the fruits you show here, you sure sound as if you are still from the world. Online you can hide behind a computer. You might be able to fool many in person when you go to those churches you speak of, but they don't know the real you that comes out online. You might be able to fool them with your false teachings, but you do not fool me. When you teach that all a person has to do is say a few words by exercising his free will, and God says, thank you for picking Me, and saves you, which is far from the truth.
The Truth is that God saves by Grace through faith while you are dead in trespasses and sin doing the desires of your father the devil.
---Mark_V. on 12/17/13


"Shira, first, you should take the warning you gave me and think about what you say to a brother who is giving you the Truth."
MarkV

First, MarkV, Shirl has never warned or reprimand you when you give the Truth. She only does when you give your version of "truth."

Next, you have told her, others and me that we are not saved. So how can/do you consider yourself a "brother?"
---Elder on 12/16/13


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Oh, so now MarkV, you are so holy and far above anyone else here we/I can't have commpassion or heart felt feeling about your condition.

I have learned it is not strange that you read into a blog whatever makes you feel superior to others. After all that's what you do with the Bible.

You even think 125 words is not enough for you but just fine for every one else.

Everytime you post you confirm my statements.

You even claim that people were chosen by God to do what they do then you get angry with them. Are you a god by the way? Or is that just in your own mind?
---Elder on 12/16/13


Shira, first, you should take the warning you gave me and think about what you say to a brother who is giving you the Truth. Just because you do not believe that it is God who saves individuals, does not make you right. You are speaking for a friend at the expense of the Truth. Which really makes you an antichrist. Why? Because you speak against Christ who is God. No one lost seeks after God, you speak against the Word of God. What I tell Elder is from the heart, I do not speak about his person, that he is a sick person who need med's, I don't speak about his family or wife, but the truth from the Word of God. You should take your own advice very seriously, because God can take your life in a second as I know He can take mine.
---Mark_V. on 12/16/13


markv, God killed a young man in the old testament for making fun of God's man. son you better be careful. God is watching you. elder is correct, whosoever calls on the name of the Lord in repentence shall be saved. what I object to is when my husband was 17 and joined the air force, the chaplain gave him a new testament and said please sign the back to insure your salvation. to a sinner it would seem so but as I talked to him and as his daughter talked to him, he knew he wasn't saved. what an injustice for anyone to tell a sinner to sign anything for salvation.
---shira4368 on 12/16/13


Elder, you fall right into the second answer to the blog question, "out of hope of ultimate reward"
you said:
"I feel sorry for you because I believe you are still affected by your drug/prescrip pills addiction."
You are here for your own glory.
Those were very godly words said to another brother. You first take out your trump card, "Satan" to push you false teachings, now you accuse me of being on drugs. What a great godly Christian you are.
I put bits and pieces on my answers because there is not enough space to explain every meaning from Scripture. But you know everything, just like your teachings, telling others to say a few words and wham, they are saved. Great godly work.
---Mark_V. on 12/16/13


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Elder:
\\ context...tells us it is not a surname...\\

WRONG

Paul Quoted Joel

Read 2:28-32
I will pour out My Spirit...Whosoever "epikaleo" the Name of the Lord....

See this from Isaiah 43 & 44

43:1 ..O Jacob...I have called you by Name...You are Mine

43:22-23 Yet you have not "epikaleo" Me...

44:1 But listen, Jacob...whom I have chosen

44:3 I will pour out My Spirit on your offspring

44:5 Some will say "I belong to the Lord"....
Others will call on the Name Jacob....

THAT's the context


See 2Chron 7:14
If My people, who are EPIKALEO (called by) My Name
---James_L on 12/16/13


MarkV show me any place where you have used all of the truth of God to show anyone anything.

You take bits and pieces just like you did with the statement that prompted my statement to try to prove your misunderstood/misguided statements.

Now you try to discredit my ministry and you don't even know what it is. God has validated it. No one needs you for anything. There have been others just like you who heard the truth and rejected it. They did just what you do.

I feel sorry for you because I believe you are still affected by your drug/prescrip pills addiction.

And you did tell Shirl she was not saved!
---Elder on 12/15/13


James L, I see on a closed blog, which I hardly ever open, your sweet little question to me. Must I now bow down and worship at your stinky feet?

Maybe in your wise vast knowledge you can tell me something. Why did Spiros Zodhiates use the words "call upon" and not "surname" in Rom 10:12 & 13 in his Greek and Hebrew Study Bible?

The very context of the verse tells us it is not a surname.
Plus Zodhiates said the word means, invoke for aid, worship,testomony, decision, appeal unto, call on/upon, surname.

It appears he is teaching to call upon the surname of God.

But why would you or anyone reject all of the other meanings and focus on one that confuses the verse?
---Elder on 12/15/13


Markv, I've posted plenty of scripture. Don't it make you wonder why all christianet bloggers oppose your false doctrine? I don't get mad unless someone tells me I'm not saved which you did.
---shira4368 on 12/15/13


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Elder, I've spoken to you honestly, explain to you the passages in a godly way, because it is of the outmost importance that we do the right thing for the right reason, for the glory of God. But your resentment continues to show no matter how I answer you. You say:
"Oh, good!! All of our problems are over because Satan also believes the Gospel. So do all of the fallen angels. So, according to MarkVs statement they are Saved."
That was un-call for. You knew what I meant, "believed the gospel Truth by faith." What inside your heart causes you to use Satan to defend your stance? You boast about the great works you do in Churches, but they just don't really know your heart.
---Mark_V. on 12/15/13


\\ How about you explaining, Rom 10:9-16, in light of God choosing some to be saved and others to be lost. Will you run from this? \\

---Elder on 12/13/13


You need to explain what you mean by "in light of God choosing..."

Do you mean that's your position, or are you assuming that's my position?

Also, are you ready to acknowledge that I have asked you "my little question" before, even very recently? Yet you claimed I've NEVER asked you

Or will you run from that?
---James_L on 12/14/13


Romans 10:14 "How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?"

NOT seek Him
NOT ask for Him

Why? Romans 10:19 "But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you."

The Gospel went to those who were not his people and that's how they found Him, unless you believe that they found Him by stumbling over, as over a stump?
---Nana on 12/14/13


""If you are a BELIEVER, it's because you believe the gospel, not because you said a prayer"
Saying words saves no one."
MarkV

Oh, good!! All of our problems are over because Satan also believes the Gospel. So do all of the fallen angels. So, according to MarkVs statement they are Saved.

If I believe someone has a gift for me but I never ask for it am I any better off?

---Elder on 12/14/13


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Elder, James L is correct:
"If you are a BELIEVER, it's because you believe the gospel, not because you said a prayer"
Saying words saves no one.
Concerning the passages in (Rom. 10:8-13) refers to confession with the mouth what has already happened in his life, a transformation. Words save no one, just like baptism doesn't save anyone. When a person gets baptized in water, he is acknowledging what has already happened to him and is confessing his transformation by doing what Christ commands believers to do.
The reason he confesses Is because the word of faith is in his heart (v.8), and acknowledges his sin against God and wants to repent and ask Christ for forgiveness. It's a response to what has already happened.
---Mark_V. on 12/14/13


\\ "assume a name, or to be surnamed"
Show your source for this. \\
---Elder

If my biblical references don't carry enough weight for you, Thayer's Lexicon, Zodhiates' NT Word Study Dictionary, Vine's Expository Dictionary of NT Words say the same thing.


\\ You have never asked me your little question.\\
---Elder

REALLY ??? Very recently...

From the "Why Disciples Were Male" blog

Elder,
it's rather ironic that you speak of "the context....How do you reconcile your "understanding" of verse 13 with verse 20, which says God was found by those who did NOT seek Him, and He was made manifest to those who did NOT ask for Him ??? \\
---James_L on 11/17/13
---James_L on 12/14/13


"It also means to assume a name, or to be surnamed"
James_L
Show your source for this.

You have never asked me your little question.

Paul is simply quoting Isa 65:1
This was like Moses holding up his hands in prayer for Israel's victory in battle.
Paul saw this as the fulfillment of the promise to the Gentiles. It is like God streched out His hands to them.

How about you explaining, Rom 10:9-16, in light of God choosing some to be saved and others to be lost. Will you run from this?
---Elder on 12/13/13


\\ James, would you then please explain \\
---Elder

on one condition - that YOU explain why Romans 10:20 (seven verses later) says that God is found by those who did NOT seek Him, and made manifest to those who did NOT ask for Him

You've dodged this question at least a half dozen times over the past year or so


\\ why the Greek word used in Rom 10:13 is "epikaleomai." \\

It's not. The Greek word is "epikalesetai"


\\It means invoke, appeal unto...\\

It also means to assume a name, or to be surnamed


\\It worked for me!! \\

No, it didn't. If you are a BELIEVER, it's because you believe the gospel, not because you said a prayer
---James_L on 12/13/13


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Shira, there you go again speaking of things you know nothing about when you said:
"markv, yes there are millions who have been deceived by tracks, false prophets, ungodly friends, secular churches that play rock music and call it godly but it is not godly. take for instance you"
What you don't understand is that the world is lost already, they are not getting anymore lost. They are not been deceived, they are blind without the light of Christ. They are heading to hell already whether they read books or not. Whether you teach them or not. They are heading to hell condemned already. Why can you not understand the condition of fallen man?
---Mark_V. on 12/13/13


markv, yes there are millions who have been deceived by tracks, false prophets, ungodly friends, secular churches that play rock music and call it godly but it is not godly. take for instance you are very deceived and you have never answered my question...how did you get saved? don't tell me by faith since you say men have no faith or seek God. were you ever a sinner?
---shira4368 on 12/11/13


Shira, for your information, millions have made a confession of faith to later go back to what they use to do. For a while they went to church, acted Christian like, but behind close doors they were still the same people they were before they made the confession of faith, I see that here all the time when filth comes out of their mouths.
Speaking certain words saves no one. God's grace saves individuals. When a true believer has faith in Christ, he will make a mouth confession of faith because he has faith already. His heart has already been changed, and he has love for Christ already, and so speaks from his heart. But God has to make him alive together with Christ (Eph. 2:2), otherwise he remains the same person, lost.
---Mark_V. on 12/11/13


Elder, no one who is lost appeals to God with a contrite heart, they have no contrite heart. The heart has to be change by God under the New Covenant. Why would anyone appeal to God when they have no faith in God? The Spirit has to make them alive together with Christ, in order for them to believe in Christ. God puts His Spirit in you and gives you a new heart, and He said He would put the fear of God in us, so that we will not depart from Him.
This is all the work of God from beginning to end.
Once we are changed by God we make a confession with our mouths what has happened to us already, and what we feel in our hearts.
---Mark_V. on 12/11/13


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James, would you then please explain why the Greek word used in Rom 10:13 is "epikaleomai." It means invoke, appeal unto and/or call upon.
It carries or shows a special desire/interest on/by the one doing the calling.
Legally the word is used in an appeal to a higher power as in Paul's appeal to Caesar.
In Rom 10:13 we can easely see it as an appeal to invoke forgiveness from the Highest Power, the Lord.
For whosoever shall "appeal" unto the Lord shall be saved.
Wrong... I think not! It worked for me!!
---Elder on 12/10/13


Romans 10:9 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
Matthew 10:33 "But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven."

Seems that there be not only allegiance but also profession of allegiance. Word and deed.
---Nana on 12/10/13


you put your doctrine here to show everyone else they are wrong. and...you are still wrong. if you don't think I know how to be saved, you need to go back to bible kindergarten. believe me you are definitely in the minority. people who are saved know how they got saved and I would have never have gotten saved if I had believe what you spread.
---shira4368 on 12/10/13


Elder,
you aren't calling on the Name of the Lord according to Romans 10.

I've explained that to you before, and you've ignored me every time.

To "call on" a name meant to become known by that name. Just like Simon "called on" the name of Peter. Just like Saul "called on" the name of Paul.

Jesus wad accused of "calling on" the name of Beelzebub

get it? It's NOT a prayer, it's an identity
---James_L on 12/10/13


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Shira, I am not trying to disciple anyone here. I put down the Truth from the Word of God and all they do is reject it, like you do. You wish you had never heard it. To the point you want me to leave. That only shows how repulsive the Truth is to you. If you were interested in the Truth, you would not argue against it, you would ask questions to make sure you are on solid ground, and that the Words I put down were from the Word of God. I put down the passages for you, but they have the wrong effect on you. You rather stand for a friend, then for the Truth. What would you do in the presence of Christ? Would you stand for your friend over Christ? I say this because Christ is the Truth.
---Mark_V. on 12/10/13


Elder, there is nothing wrong with (Romans 10) if you have faith in Jesus Christ already. For no unbeliever is saved if he has not faith in Christ. You can call on the name of the Lord as many times as you want, and it means nothing if you have no faith in your heart.
"If you believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation" This is an open confession with the mouth from the person who has faith in Christ already.
"Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called and about which you made the good confession in the presence of many witnesses" (1 Tim. 6:12).
---Mark_V. on 12/10/13


Elder 2: Faith comes from God through the Word, when it comes to us with power and the Holy Spirit with much assurance. For the word comes to many with no power and no Holy Spirit.
"Knowing beloved brethren, your election by God. For our gospel did not come to you in Word only, but also with power, and in the Holy Spirit with much assurance, as you know what kind of men we were among you for your sake" (1 Thess. 4.5).
"So it depends not upon man's will or exertion, but upon God's mercy" (Rom. 9:16).
For "God may perhaps grant that they will repent and come to know the Truth, and they may escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will" (2 Tim. 2:25,26).
---Mark_V. on 12/10/13


So, MarkV, are you saying that if I call upon the name of the Lord according to Rom 10 that doesn't the Lord's Salvation to me?
---Elder on 12/9/13


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markv, if words don't matter then why did you say something about my post. even tho you were wrong you made a big deal out of nothing. I know what scripture says about grace and salvation. you act like you are trying to disciple someone that knows more than you ever will.
---shira4368 on 12/9/13


Elder, no one knows what individual is saved or not. Only God. What we do know is that no one can be saved by having the wrong gospel. A person can say many words, in any order they are told, but if they do not have a love for Christ already, those words mean nothing. And only believers in Christ have a true love for Christ. No unbeliever has a true love for Christ. So your theory that saying some words will save someone is false. We are saved by Grace through faith. Not by any works a person does with his mouth or hands. you can give to the poor, but if it is not done in the name of Jesus Christ, it is sin. For anything without faith is sin.
---Mark_V. on 12/9/13


markv, you looked at my post and told me "come to seek and to save that which is lost". you told me I had it backwards. what are you talking about??
---shira4368 on 12/9/13


Shira, Jesus came to seek and to save that which was lost, not the other way around as you guys teach. When Jesus finds them He saves them. no one reject His salvation. The Atonement originated in the mere good pleasure of God. He was not obliged to save any sinners. He was under no obligation to provide a Redeemer at all. That He did so, was purely a matter of Grace, and in the very nature of things, the bestower of "Grace" is free, absolutely free, to bestow or withhold it, otherwise it would cease to be Grace, and become a debt owed to its recipient.
And since all descendants of Adam are condemned already, heading to hell, it is up to God whether He wants to bestow mercy or not on those who are condemned already.
---Mark_V. on 12/9/13


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Called a liar by the big CN deceiver. He also posts,
"No one knows who is saved and who is not."
Mark_V. on 12/8/13

Then he posts that he has never said anything like that. Humm.... mental or what?
---Elder on 12/9/13


Shira, Elder is a big boy with a great ability to lie a whole lot. you have never seen me write that I do not know if I am saved. Just more lies you guys come out with. Neither have I said if you do not believe what I say you are not saved. No one knows who is saved and who is not. What we do know is that the wrong gospel brings no salvation. I have no problem with you believing in the wrong gospel. It is your soul after all. All I do is bring the Truth from the Word of God. You just don't like it.
Saying words never saved anyone. We are saved by Grace through faith. Not by anything we do or say. Many have been taught that saying a few words and that is it, salvation comes. That is not the gospel.
---Mark_V. on 12/8/13


markv, I did see your post where you said you wouldn't know you were saved until you reach heaven. you and Christian both said it...I read it.
---shira4368 on 12/8/13


markv, yadaa yadaa...you are such a liar. I have given you lots of scripture.why do you say such stupid stuff? you call others not saved if they don't believe your way. well, I DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING YOU BELIVE. you think it makes you look good to cut others down. believe me, It does not make you look like anything good. do you have any friends besides Christian?
---shira4368 on 12/8/13


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Elder, just more lying. you say:
"You claim you never asked Christ to save you and you won't know until you stand before God if you are saved." I never said I don't know if I am saved. You deliberately lie. I know I'm saved, I made my assurance sure, as the Bible teaches.
I did not ask God to save me. I was lost, heading to hell, condemned already. He had mercy on me a sinner and saved me by His Grace. He did not force me, He had mercy on me. No amount of words saves anyone. You teach that if someone asked to be save God saves them. The lost do not seek after God (Rom. 3:11). Why? "Because there is none who understands" (Rom. 3:11). It is you who teach devils doctrines that save no one.
---Mark_V. on 12/8/13


""All of you claim you seek Christ with your free will and He saved you."
MarkV
Here again is more of your twisting tripe. Show me where I ever said that.
You either lie or are mentally confused. Which is it?
I think you are confused. No one could lie that much.
You claim you never asked Christ to save you and you won't know until you stand before God if you are saved.
You have Calvary up hill on one side and down hill on the other. You completely leave of the Justice and Mercy of God in your devils doctrine.
So, is God Just or not?
---Elder on 12/7/13


Shira, you put nothing down from the word of God only your disagreements. Everyone here acts and does the same things as you do. All of you get angry when told that there is no free will. That it is all up to God. None of you want it to be up to God. You want to save me you say, and don't know about salvation.
All of you claim you seek Christ with your free will and He saved you. Now hear about Jesus,
"For the Son of Man is come to seek and to save that which was lost" Christ came here not only to seek and find, but also to save. Note it is not merely that He offers to, nor helps to, but that He actually saves. The unsaved doesn't seek God, (Rom. 3:11). You wish I would stop speaking for Christ. But the Truth is the Truth.
---Mark_V. on 12/7/13


Thank you Samuelbb7, Merry Chtistmas & a Happy 2014 in advance.
---Adetunji on 12/6/13


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Dear Adetunji on 12/5/13

Thank you. Agape to you and may you and all those here have a Merry Christmas.
---Samuelbb7 on 12/6/13


Samuelbb7: I totally agree with your last comment.
---Adetunji on 12/5/13


A Christian produces works for the same reason an apple tree produces apples. It is their nature. The Love of GOD that saves us changes us to Love GOD and love others.

Read first John.

Agape.
---Samuelbb7 on 12/2/13


markv, way back on another blog I ask everyone to not answer your blog concerning predestination. I have put down many scripture for you. You "choose" to not answer. I've ask you many question but you are the one who never answered. No markv, you don't need to worry about my salvation. my eternal life is very secure. Doctrine won't send anyone to hell. only the unsaved that have rejected God will end up in hell. everything you post is about predestination. you don't discuss any other doctrine. We need to be a witness to the lost and forget doctrine for a while.
---shira4368 on 12/2/13


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mark, I cannot make myself not answer you. I'm overcome with trying to make sure anyone on christianet know the truth. what you preach surely may mean the difference between a soul being saved or lost.
---shira4368 on 12/2/13


Shira, you first said you would not answer me, then you told everyone not to answer me, yet you keep looking for reasons to answer me, but nothing from the Word of God.
Now you say that telling Jerry a secret, that he might not know, is condencending. You say:
"markv, when you say "I want to tell you a secret" sounds condescending"
It sounds to me like what you just said to me is condencending. Shira, when ever you answer me you do not put down Scripture are want to discuss the Word of God, you want to say something negative to me. If you are a woman of God, why is it that you continue in your old ways? You should have left them behind. Do you not love Christ? What spirit motivates you?
---Mark_V. on 12/2/13


markv, when you say "I want to tell you a secret" sounds condescending. Sort of like my sister and me were visiting a relative in a nursing home. My sister is sort of dumpy and her shoulders a little round when the nurse came in and looked at my sister and said "how are WE doing today?" Needless to say my sister popped right back at her and said " I am fine, how bout you?" The nurse sounded like she was talking to a
kindergardener.
---shira4368 on 12/1/13


Christan , I never said those works save a person, But it is some thing a believer does,
John 14:15 - If you love me , Keep my commandments,

( This is way of show God you love him, and it is by works ! keeping the commandments , Do these work help a person get saved no, It is like
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James 2:26 - For a body with out the Spirit is dead, So Faith with out works is dead also,

( faith and works go hand and hand together, But those work don't have anything to do with getting a person saved, )

---RICHARDC on 12/1/13


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Jerry, I would like to tell you a secret. The reason believers give thanks to God is because everything we do that is out of love is because of God. Christ Spirit is in all believers. As He guides us through life, we display His love to others and we know it was because of Him that we are who we are. That is why we give Him all the glory and honor that only belongs to Him and Him along.
---Mark_V. on 11/26/13


"Do not be afraid, Abram, I am your shield, your exceedingly great reward." (in Genesis 15:1.

God is my Reward, now, for whatsoever I do with Him. And my reward includes sharing with my Jesus family people while we do things that our Father desires.

Biblical predestination includes that we are being changed into the image of Jesus (Romans 8:29).

And Jesus has us doing good to people, even though He knows they will never change. Because loving these people does us good and some kind of good to others . . . instead of letting evil people decide if we love or not.
---willie_c: on 11/25/13


Jerry, you now tell Christan "why bother?" we proclaim the gospel of Christ, why? because we are commanded to. Is that not good enough reason for you? The Truth Jerry, not a made up lie like free will. A concept that is self contradicting. Why should we preach a self contradicting concept? Only the Truth has an effect. And has an effect when it comes in power and in the Holy Spirit only, for many receive it and reject it. It is not about works of the law as you claim, it is by Grace that we are saved, through faith.
No one is good enough without Christ. For there is none who understands, there is none who seek after God (Rom. 3:11).
---Mark_V. on 11/25/13


Bro. Christan, you are correct when you said:
"
And if you're serving God out of love for Him, why do you even need to raise this question to begin with? Isn't it important that only God knows and you don't need to brag about serving God "because you love Him"? Aren't you seeking for a reward for loving Him? Isn,t that your point for raising this question?

you are correct because you spotted his intention right away. Jerry is an SDA who is under the law, and when he speaks or post something, it is a smoke screen for what he wants to introduce. The law of works. How he loves God because he keeps Saturday Sabbath and others don't. He loves God more then we do.
---Mark_V. on 11/25/13


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christan: All of your assurances notwithstanding, calling me a liar and claiming that your sick, twisted concept of an arbitrary, cruel God is biblically correct is less than convincing.

One more time...... What do you care? As a predestinationalist, you claim to be elected=saved from the foundation of the earth, and nothing you say, do or feel in your heart can affect that outcome. So why bother with religion at all?



---jerry6593 on 11/24/13


"And I find it sad that more people don't serve God out of love for Him..." jerry6593

Telling lies about who you think God of the Bible is, is an act of your love for Him? That you are serving Him with love? Don't fool yourself! I would explicitly say that, it's an act of hypocrisy and hate for His Truth. Calling Him a liar for choosing those He love and will save.

For me to believe and cling on to the very fact that God has written and predestinated everything, including the wicked acts of mankind, is nothing short of a miracle and not of hopelessness, but one of great hope in the works of God. And that I assure you, didn't come from me but the very testimonies written in the Word.
---christan on 11/23/13


"Should we serve God out of love for Him or out of hope of ultimate reward?"
Through His love and His grace, we are empowered of His Spirit to serve Him "acceptably with reverence and awe."> Hbr 12:28
We serve Father through our service to others.>Mat 25:40 For He is not worshipped "with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he gives to all life, and breath, and all things."> Act 17:25
---joseph on 11/23/13


christan: What do you care? As a predestinationalist, you claim to be elected=saved from the foundation of the earth, and nothing you say, do or feel in your heart can affect that outcome. So why bother with religion at all?

I raise the issue here because most of what I see on CN is me, me, me. My salvation. My eternal destiny. My ticket to heaven. And I find it sad that more people don't serve God out of love for Him and His condescension to us, His providence, His watchcare over us, etc.



---jerry6593 on 11/23/13


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"The love of God is a love of works - John 14:15" RICHARDC

Spoken like a works monger. If God love the man's work, why would he declare "But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags... Being defamed, we intreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of all things unto this day."? Isaiah 64:6, 1 Corinthians 4:13

And anyways, the ultimate love of God was expressed in "God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." Romans 5:8 - it's His own work and not man's.
---christan on 11/22/13


The love of God is a love of works - John 14:15
---RICHARDC on 11/22/13


And if you're serving God out of love for Him, why do you even need to raise this question to begin with? Isn't it important that only God knows and you don't need to brag about serving God "because you love Him"? Aren't you seeking for a reward for loving Him? Isn,t that your point for raising this question?

"There is no fear in love, but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. WE LOVE HIM, BECAUSE HE FIRST LOVED US." 1 John 4:18,19
---christan on 11/22/13


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