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God wrote that He created the world in six days. Was He lying?

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Cluny: "I think death was there for animals. You don't think that tigers ate carrots, do you?"

You are woefully ignorant of the scriptures.

Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed, to you it shall be for meat.

Isa 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

You go to extremes to obey your god of Chance rather than the God of the Bible.

God is not at liar - you are!



---jerry6593 on 11/27/13


I think death was there for animals. You don't think that tigers ate carrots, do you?

How about if a seal ate a fish. Doesn't the fish die in the process?
---Cluny on 11/26/13

Fundamentalist....especially outside of Israel, are fundamentally driven. You are not allowed to prove anything outside the superstitious comfort zones. They must defend their fears.
The un-utilized source of answers are at the fingertips, with a guide of our Lord. Not asking the "only" rabbi is the greatest lack of faith.

It matters not that we have skeletons of meat eater dinosaurs and geologic witnesses that connect scripture with truth. It will be a truth won't hear or bother to prove. I call it lazy and faithless.
---Trav on 11/27/13


One of the plagues on Egypt was frogs, then gnats then locusts but this is nothing compared to what the earth would be had no creatures ever died!
Can you see anteaters eating grass? No need for spider webs,Whales would have a tough time crawling up on land to eat foliage.
I think you guys have a brain cramp!
---1st_cliff on 11/27/13


Cluny, BCV 2Peter.2.12 "These are like brute beasts , creatures of instinct BORN ONLY TO BE CAUGHT AND DESTROYED ..."
Why were animals created?? just to look at?
Maybe for pets? How about a pet dinosaur??or scorpion???
---1st_cliff on 11/27/13


1st Cliff, What has GOD been working on for the past 2 thousand years-plus?

The future Heavenly Home of the Saints.


If the Earth was so beautiful and marvelous having been created with fullness in six 24-hour days, how much more beautiful will Heaven be for HIS people!

No, GOD is not a magician, HE's a Miracle-Worker.

Yahushua spoke Miracles into being, sometimes in a matter of minutes or seconds.
---Gordon on 11/27/13




Nana, I replied to you explaining my point and asked you 2 questions. Do me the favour of properly answering them and I will gladly reply to your blog.
---Warwick on 11/26/13


Steveng, good point!

All creation was cursed through Adam's sin, original perfection destroyed, now a place where death/disease/suffering reigns. But Jesus came to overturn the results of Adam's sin, to ultimately restore Creation.

Believers in long-ages/evolution insist such perfection never existed, that death/disease/suffering existed for eons, well before Adam's sin, being the methods God used to effect evolution.

So what will creation be restored to? To mans ideas of eons of death, disease, and suffering or to deathless, sinless, perfection of the original creation, as per Genesis?

Isaiah 11:6 says it will be restored to its original perfection, where animals will no longer kill each other or humans.
---Warwick on 11/26/13


\\Cluny, you have no idea what was before the time Adam sinned.//

Do you?

\\ God promised to bring the earth back to the time before Adam sinned. This is when animals ate the foliage instead of other animals. \\

Prove it from Scripture that all animals were herbivores. That's your rule, not mine, remember.

**Noah was perfect.

Abraham was perfect.**

But Noah got drunk and Abraham married his half-sister.

++Do you really think people of the early Christian church believed God materialized animal skins?++

Where does the Bible actually say that God killed animals? BCV, please.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/27/13


Cluny wrote: "I think death was there for animals. You don't think that tigers ate carrots, do you? How about if a seal ate a fish. Doesn't the fish die in the process?"

Cluny, you have no idea what was before the time Adam sinned. God promised to bring the earth back to the time before Adam sinned. This is when animals ate the foliage instead of other animals. And the same for the new earth.
---Steveng on 11/26/13


Noah was perfect.

Abraham was perfect.

God is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

God's way is perfect, the word of the Lord is tried: he is a buckler to all them that trust in him.

God is my strength and power: and he maketh my way perfect.

Let your heart therefore be perfect with the Lord our God, to walk in his statutes, and to keep his commandments, as at this day.

God's creation was perfect before Adam fell into sin, by not obeying of his own free will, the cammandment of God.
---Steveng on 11/26/13




Cluny, Do you really think people of the early Christian church believed God materialized animal skins?
Neither did the animals give up their skin voluntarily.
This is pushing it a little too far.
The fish and bread were also as real as the wine Christ produced at the wedding feast!
Let's not get carried away!
---1st_cliff on 11/26/13


I see Warwick,
You take that to mean that anyone who opposes your understanding must be "full of hypocrisy and iniquity" while you are filled with all truth
and holyness?
---Nana on 11/26/13

What shined the light for me with pomp, is avoidance of all the prophets. But, then he must. They do not, and cannot witness or support his doctrines of men. His rebuttals or sarcastic responses are ,primarily Genesis or N.T. verses entangled with personal opinion, based on translators he's infatuated with.
A beaten path can become a highway. His is an on ramp away from the prophetic destinations.
Mat_7:13 .... wide is the gate, broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, many there be which go in thereat:
---Trav on 11/26/13


There is so much more important things written in chapter 1 than to worry about than did God create the world in 24 hours or eons.

---Scott1 on 11/26/13

You are correct from one angle of looking at this. It shouldn't matter.
But, the more educated youth of today cannot find sense in their answers. They don't fit prophecy or proved science.
If you will notice though the most defensive/concerned ....are those whose doctrines depend on Genesis. Otherwise they don't fit scripture. Not understanding or believing GOD they attempt to build their own ladders.

Heb_8:8 ..... saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
---Trav on 11/26/13


I see Warwick, so, when Jesus said, "Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity."
You take that to mean that anyone who opposes your understanding must be "full of hypocrisy and iniquity" while you are filled with all truth
and holyness?
Aren't you being a bit pompous and rather full of yourself?

"Nana, I take my cue as how to deal with the faithless from Jesus." Doubt that. When Peter began sinking, he got a helping hand and
encouragement to maintain the faith, "O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?".

But please carry on with yourself as I have made what point I was to make.
---Nana on 11/26/13


Basil, the early Christian Bishop, believed that each day of Genesis 1 was an actual 24-hour day. He also wrote concerning this chapter, "'There are those truly, who do not admit the common sense of the Scriptures...For me grass is grass, plant, fish, wild beast, domestic animal, I take all in the literal sense. "For I am not ashamed of the Gospel". Basil has tied the two together.

Note what he said: Because he's not ashamed of the Gospel, he's not ashamed to take Genesis 1 literally. Applying the laws of logic, as Cluny and Cliff1 are ashamed of taking Genesis 1 literally, they are ashamed of the Gospel.
---Marc on 11/26/13


\\God killed animals to clothe Adam and Eve ,\\

Wrong.

The Bible never says that God killed animals.

There's nothing to stop God from materializing skin clothing for Adam and Eve the same way God Incarnate materialized bread and fish to feed the crowds, is there?

Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 11/26/13


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Cluny, no matter how you dance around the truth God's creation was originally made perfect, as I have shown from Scripture. Everything that He is, and does is perfect, or do you say God is in anyway imperfect?

If all else fails read God's word, rather than trusting in your own understanding. Genesis 1:29, 30 God says he gave "every green plant for food, to man, and "all the beasts of the earth." Therefore as none of us was there and God does not lie all creatures were originally vegetarian. I refer to this with absolute confidence in God but little if any confidence that His word is good enough for you.

As Micha writes "A tiger is a beast of the Earth is it not?"
---Warwick on 11/26/13


Nana, I take my cue as how to deal with the faithless from Jesus. Please read Matthew 23:13-33 for one example. He opened with the truth which is an insult and called the religious glitterati of the day "hypocrites.. blind guides..blind fools..filthy inside..self indulgent..white washed tombs..snakes..Sons of vipers."

How would you have reacted if you heard Him say this?

What is more important niceness, or Truth?
---Warwick on 11/26/13


If you look up ROHL NEW CHRONOLOGY at Wikipedia, you will see that "TIME" is simply a way that mankind measures existence.
---faithforfaith on 11/26/13


Warwick, Did you not read that scripture says that death came upon "all men" because of Adam's sin, it says nothing about animals ,God killed animals to clothe Adam and Eve , not
"because" of them ! Which indicates a natural use for some animals!
Can you imagine an anteater eating grass???
At the rate that some animals reproduce , by now there wouldn't be room for humans! Think about it! Flies, rabbits, spiders, mosquitoes. Right now there are more cattle in India than th USA, they don't kill them but they do die!
---1st_cliff on 11/26/13


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\You don't think that tigers ate carrots, do you?\-Cluny on 11/26/13
Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein [there is] life, [I have given] every green herb for meat: and it was so.
-A tiger is a beast of the Earth is it not?
Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you, even as the green herb have I given you all things.
The sin of disbelief is very hard to overcome.
--and it was so.--
---micha9344 on 11/26/13


\\Death is a central part of the curse but you claim death was in the world before Adam sinned. Scripture proves you wrong. \\

I think death was there for animals. You don't think that tigers ate carrots, do you?

How about if a seal ate a fish. Doesn't the fish die in the process?
---Cluny on 11/26/13


There is so much more important things written in chapter 1 than to worry about than did God create the world in 24 hours or eons. You have to put this verse in context of what the Israelites had and were going through at the time. They had been living in a country were every bush, animal type, object had a spirit associated with it. Moses's point was that only God created, sustained, made perfect, the world and controlled all the forces.
---Scott1 on 11/26/13


Cluny, the Romans verse says the curse fell upon the whole creation. Death is a central part of the curse but you claim death was in the world before Adam sinned. Scripture proves you wrong.

No one doubts the days of creation are 6-24hr days because of what is written in Scripture. Those who doubt this prefer to believe in the nonBiblical philosophy of long-ages.

No matter how you juggle words Deuteronomy says God's works are perfect and creation is the pinnacle of God's works, that which defines who He is, the Creator of everything.

Remember the Creator says man was made at the beginning of this creation in which we live (not the beginning of the creation week) not at the end as the long-ages view would place him.
---Warwick on 11/26/13


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Warwick: The bottom line is that Cluny and 1st Cliff are calling God a liar. It is as if they consider themselves of higher authority than God. They're going to have a hard time explaining that in the Judgment.




---jerry6593 on 11/26/13


"Cluny, I have just read your blog again and am appalled at your ignorance..."
"Anyone reasonably literate knows 'day' has a number of meanings and all three are easy to understand in context. ..."
Not a fan of how you start blog entries in a "jabbing" manner with an air of superiority.
It is rather distracting and a waste of time except for those who relish in their own oratory.
---Nana on 11/26/13


\\Read Romans 8:18-23 where Paul tells us that creation (i.e. everything created) was subjected to frustration/futility by God because of Adam's sin,\\

Tell me where I denied that.

That's not the same thing as saying that there's a difference between "very good" and "perfect," though the difference may escape you.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/25/13


Warwick, Your analogy doesn't fit Genesis 1. Why?
We Took off from here at 6 PM and landed at destination at 8 AM. Did we fly all day?
No one would say that.

God began in the evening and finished each creation day in the morning and called it Yom 1 or 2 or 3 etc.
Period of time -one
Period of time -two
Period of time -tree
But you automatically know they are 24 hr. periods.(defying logic)
God used these periods of time to as a pattern to construct the six day work week. Logical and reasonable conclusion.
NO magic involved here!
---1st_cliff on 11/25/13


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\\Deuteronomy 32:4 "The Rock, his work is perfect, for all his ways are justice....."

2 Samuel 22:312 "This God-his way is perfect, the word of the LORD proves true, he is a shield for all those who take refuge in him."\\

Following your school of exegesis, God is a chunk of stone.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/25/13


Warwick, It all depends on what you mean by "subjected" (or groaning as you sometimes say)
Sun moon and stars are part of God's creation, how are they "subjected"?
---1st_cliff on 11/25/13


Cluny, I have just read your blog again and am appalled at your ignorance of the foundational reason why Jesus came to die and rise again. I cannot imagine what you believe the gospel to be as you seem to have totally missed the point.

Read Romans 8:18-23 where Paul tells us that creation (i.e. everything created) was subjected to frustration/futility by God because of Adam's sin, and groans under the burden but that it (the whole of creation) will be liberated from its bondage to decay, by Jesus death and resurrection.
---Warwick on 11/25/13


Anyone reasonably literate knows 'day' has a number of meanings and all three are easy to understand in context.

Day can mean 'when' e.g. In my father day i.e. when my father was alive(Genesis 2:4)

Day can mean from sunrise to sunset as in we drove all day (Genesis 1:14).

Day, when accompanied by a ordinal or cardinal number means 24hrs (Genesis 1:5).

This is the way day is used in English, and all the languages I have studied, including Hebrew.

If I am incorrect and the liberal/compromisers correct then if I said-I will be away for 6 days, they would have to ask-How long are your days? But thery don't as we all know what 6 days means.
---Warwick on 11/25/13


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1st_cliff on 11/25/13: 'Why does "day" (yom) have only one rigid meaning to you?'

Well, it is more a question of whether there is something in the context that suggests it does NOT have a rigid meaning. Otherwise people will take one meaning.

Gen 2:4 I take to mean the one day when God made heaven and earth, which was the before the counting of the six days, or at the beginning of day one.
---Peter on 11/25/13


Jerry I get it, no problem because I'm not hung up on an "ism" that I have to conform to!
Why does "day" (yom) have only one rigid meaning to you?
Gen 2.4 SAYS IN the "day" (singular) heaven and earth were made...So it only took one day not six??
The same word "yom" is used!
Spiritual blindness is tragic!
---1st_cliff on 11/25/13


Cluny, you do not know Scripture, nor do you respect that little you know.

Deuteronomy 32:4 "The Rock, his work is perfect, for all his ways are justice....."

2 Samuel 22:312 "This God-his way is perfect, the word of the LORD proves true, he is a shield for all those who take refuge in him."

God's work is perfect, as Scripture says, but you would have us believe He created a world with disease, suffering and death already included.

Do you wish to tell us that Romans 8:22 does not say the whole of creation was marred by sin? Yes or no?

Stop pushing nonBiblical philosophy and provide a Scripture which says the whole of creation was not subjected to the curse.
---Warwick on 11/25/13


Cluny,

So you believe God created an imperfect thing at the beginning, at the end of his creative activity?

In any case Ezekiel 28:12ff tell us that Lucifer was the "seal of perfection" over creation at the beginning.
---Marc on 11/25/13


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\\Cluny God's creation was made perfect, as Scripture says\\

Wrong.

Scripture says the creation was "very good," which is not the same thing as "perfect."

Were creation "perfect," Adam's fall would not have affected it, as it would have had the perfection of invulnerability.

Try again.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/25/13


Gen 7:4 For yet seven days...
I'm glad Noah knew what God meant by "day."
Gen 17:12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you...
I'm glad Abraham knew what God meant by "day."
Exo 20:11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth...
I'm glad Israel knew what God meant by "day."
Exo 31:17 ...for [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth...
Just to make sure Israel knew what God meant by "day."
Jos 6:3 ...Thus shalt thou do six days.
I'm glad Joshua knew what God meant by "day."
"...He is not now nor ever been in a time-bind hurry! Stay real!"-1st_cliff on 11/24/13
I'm sad 1st_cliff knows not what God meant by "day."
---micha9344 on 11/25/13


Cliff: You still don't get it, do you?

"Six days shalt thou labor ... For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth." (Exo 20:9,11)

This was God's own certification that the six-literal-day Creation account in Genesis is accurate.

When you say that this certification by God Himself is not true you are calling God a liar. No other logical conclusion is possible.

What is your motive for your dispute with God? Are you trying to appease the god of Random Chance or his prophet, Charles Darwin?




---jerry6593 on 11/25/13


Cluny God's creation was made perfect, as Scripture says. Do you imagine God believed His creation was perfect if it contained death disease and misery of His creatures?

God's word says the wages of sin is death Romans 6:23. Romans 8:22 confirms death was universal "For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now."

"The last enemy to be destroyed is death" 1 Corinthians 15:26. How can death be an enemy if it has always been there?

Remember also the fossil record, believed by many to be a record of life and death over eons, contains the diseased and mutilated remains of animals and man.
---Warwick on 11/24/13


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\\God says death is a consequence of sin but they say it came before sin.
---Warwick on 11/24/13\\

Death of humans is certainly the result of sin.

Do you actually think that animals didn't die before the fall of Adam?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/24/13


You guys are like primitive people living in caves and still trying to invent fire!
The intricate design of a tree, flower , birds ability to fly, fish breathing under water etc. etc. This is the awesome wonder of our God.
What kind of thought goes into ...elephant...bang we have one...tree...wham we have one..Nope...
When God created Eve was she spoken into existence ?
God put Adam to sleep and performed an operation. How long did that take??? Not an eye blink, that's for sure!
The bible is not science fiction!
---1st_cliff on 11/24/13


Jerry, you made a powerful point. Our fickle faithless friends continue with their usual nonBiblical nonsense, but it is only waffle. God did personally write the 10 Commandments on stone, and it does say He created in 6 ordinary, 24hr days. And the Israelites obviously understood what He meant.

Throughout Scripture when an ordinal or cardinal number accompany the word "day" it means 24hrs. A good example is Numbers 7:12-78, verse 42 says "On the sixth day Eliasaph son of Duel, the leader of the people of Gad, brought his offering." Now our fickle faithless friends would say we cannot know what "the sixth day" means! Happily Moses, Eliasaph and the whole of Israel did know what it meant.
---Warwick on 11/24/13


Gordon, God is a Creator not a magician!
Jesus said "My Father has "kept" working 'till now and I keep working.
If He made the whole universe in 24 hours ,what has He been working on that has taken four thousand years in the making? (from Adam to Jesus) Let's not make this a fairy tale huh?
Everything created is designed to the minutest detail. That is what is magnificent about our God!
He is not now nor ever been in a time-bind hurry! Stay real!
---1st_cliff on 11/24/13


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1st_cliff: "Why do you insist that God's Yoms were 24 hour periods."

Maybe because God's days were literal: :"the evening and the morning were the first day."

And why debate what God did? Isn't it possible for God to create the heavens and the earth in six days. What about the ten plagues of Egypt? Did God need to wait for the weather conditions to be right? What about the crossing of the Red Sea? Did God need to wait for a drought? What about the water turning into wine? Did God need to wait for it to be fermented? What about all the healings that Jesus performed?

Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding.
---Steveng on 11/24/13


The historical accuracy of the first few books of Genesis is vital as they contain the only foundational reason why Jesus came to die and rise again.

If Genesis is not fact then Jesus and the apostles are wrong, so we cannot absolutely trust what they say. For example Jesus said man was made at the beginning of this creation in which we live. Not at the end as the doubters believe.

It matters because God says the curse of death disease and suffering was brought upon creation by Adam's sin. But those who reject 6 24hr day creation do not do so for Biblical reason, but because they already believe in long-ages/evolution.

God says death is a consequence of sin but they say it came before sin.
---Warwick on 11/24/13


Jerry, That God wrote with His own finger "For in six days God made heaven and earth" is not in dispute! Your mind is fastened on 6 "literal" days. The six day week was fashioned after God's pattern of six work periods.(yoms).
Why do you insist that God's Yoms were 24 hour periods.
You are surmising are you not? Simply because He made the six day work week law!
You think God has a six day work week in every facet of His creation? Jesus said "My Father is still working"
Did you know this? Jn.5.17
---1st_cliff on 11/24/13


No, GOD was not lying when HE states in HIS Written Word that HE created the things on the Earth in 6 days.
GOD created all with the Word of HIS Mouth.
HE doesn't create in limited time as man does.
When a human being forms something, fashions something, creates a work of art, builds a house or building, it can take days, months or years, etc.
But, Almighty GOD merely THINKS of what HE wants to create, and then HE merely SPEAKS IT FORTH, and it comes to be!
Yeah, all in 6 literal 24-hour days.
---Gordon on 11/24/13


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Cliff: "God did not write Genesis now did He! Let's be truthful!"

I never said He did. But, the Bible does say that God wrote the following words with His own finger in stone:

"Six days shalt thou labor ... For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth." (Exo 20:9,11)

This was God's own certification that the six-literal-day Creation account in Genesis is accurate. (Note that this statement includes the earth itself, and it did not pre-exist Creation week.)

To say that this certification by God Himself is not true is to call God a liar. No other logical conclusion is possible.
---jerry6593 on 11/24/13


"OK, can you show me where God told Moses to write Genesis?" steveng

If one was an unbeliever making such a remark, we can understand and forgive. But for one who claims to be a Christian and yet utter such question, is a serious problem that's worse than that of an unbeliever.

Christ described it best - "The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!" Matthew 6:22,23
---christan on 11/24/13


1st_cliff wrote: "Leon, OK, can you show me where God told Moses to write Genesis?"

"And Moses wrote ALL the words of the Lord,.." Exodus 24:4

...not only the commandments and the statutes of God, but also the histoy which makes up the first five books of the bible called the Torah or Pentateuch.
---Steveng on 11/23/13


Steveng, the word "science" is much misused today. That which has brought the technical marvels we enjoy today (including pharmaceuticals) has come about via what is often called operational science. This is testable, observable, repeatable science.

Ideas like millions of years/evolution do not belong in this category as these are beliefs, not provable or falsifiable by the methods of operational science. Therefore we need to define our terms.
---Warwick on 11/24/13


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"Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?

Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof, When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?"


For more, go to Job 38...
---christan on 11/23/13


"...show me where God told Moses to write Genesis?... Genesis was written...by four different authors[?]...Did he write in...Hebrew with no punctuation and no vowels?"
---1st_cliff on 11/23/13


Cliff: Prove God didn't inspire Moses to write! Who were the 4 authors you allege?

Moses wrote the 1st 5 books of the Bible (the Pentateuch/ books of the law), except for the last part of Deuteronomy telling of his death.

Are you sure Moses didn't learn to read & write Hebrew? After all he was raised by his very own Hebrew mother & lived in the wilderness with Hebrew kin for a few decades before & after being called by the Lord.

Punctuations & vowels? Is that really an issue with God? :)
---Leon on 11/23/13


jerry6593: "Be careful what you call science. Paul admonished Timothy:"

Why? I'm using the word "science" as it is used in today's world.
---Steveng on 11/23/13


Bible dictionaries give 3 meanings for 'yom' (day). For example the Holman Bible Dictionary says:

1) Time of daylight from sunrise to sunset Genesis (1:14, 3:8, 8:22, Amos 5:8).

2) 24-hr period (Genesis 1:5)

3) a general expression for "time" without specific limits (Genesis 2:4, Psalm 102:3, Isaiah 7:17).

Number 2) is relevant where Genesis 1:5 is given "....the first day." This example shows that when yom (day) accompanies an ordinal number (i.e.) first, second, third... It means 24 hour day, as it is used throughout Scripture, and in the way we speak or write today. The meaning is also the same if yom (day) is used with a cardinal number i.e. one, two three.
---Warwick on 11/23/13


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Leon, OK, can you show me where God told Moses to write Genesis?
(FYI Genesis was written (compiled) by four different authors)
Moses was skilled in all the Egyptian culture, having been raised as Pharaoh's son. Did he write in Hieroglyphics or Hebrew with no punctuation and no vowels?
---1st_cliff on 11/23/13


"...God did not write Genesis now did He! [???!!!] Let's be truthful! [?!] A written alphabetic language was unknown 'till about 3,5500 BC. How can one be dogmatic about the grammar of Genesis 6,000 BC? Especially since the nationality of that language is unknown!
I do not disbelieve the "context" just the length of "yom"
---1st_cliff on 11/23/13


You show an incredible, self-defeating, spiritual blindness Cliff. Of course God wrote (TOLD MOSES what to write ~inspired the writing of) Genesis. You choose to use pretext to overlook (turn blind eyes to) the fact that God was there 6,000 + years ago.
---Leon on 11/23/13


Yes! How old was it when God created it?
When God moved on the face of the waters how old did you make the waters?
When God made the first light that touched the earth, how far away did he put the source of that light?

When God divided the light from the darkness how dark did he make the darkness?
When God said let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, how old did he make the firmament?
How old was the first bladed grass, the first tree, the fruits on the trees yielding fruits?
Or even the seeds in the fruits on the trees yielding fruits?

Maybe when we can answer these, will know.
If it was a lie! Peace
---TheSeg on 11/23/13


Marc, Bible dictionaries and concordances say day (yom) is a measurement of time. Not necessarily 24 hours!
The six yoms of creation was a pattern of work and rest.
God used this pattern in instituting the six day work and one day rest.

His six yoms did not have to be 24 hours each to establish a pattern.
This pattern was to set His people apart from pagans showing weekly what the Creator did on a grand scale!
This establishes logic and reason!
---1st_cliff on 11/23/13


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Jerry, I agree with you on evolution and global warming.
I am not a good scientist, but neither am I naive !
Being of the majority opinion is not my strong suit.
God did not write Genesis now did He! Let's be truthful!
A written alphabetic language was unknown 'till about 3,5500 BC. How can one be dogmatic about the grammar of Genesis 6,000 BC? Especially since the nationality of that language is unknown!
I do not disbelieve the "context" just the length of "yom"
---1st_cliff on 11/23/13


Ezekiel 46:1 (paraphrased from the RSV).....(Jewish worship was centered on a "GATE"/"STRAIT gate").

The verse says the gate to the inner court shall be closed for SIX "working days" (creation days and ritual offering days are not 24 hours long).

Does it seem right to restrict the God of ETERNITY to 24 hour time periods? Was "time" measured in B.C. years or A.D. years during Pharaoh's reign, the burning bush, Paul's travels, etc.?
---faithforfaith on 11/23/13


We Christians base our lives and our hope upon the absolute truth of what Jesus and His apostles have said, and written. Relevant to the question Jesus and the apostles quoted from or alluded to the first 11 chapters of Genesis 107 times, always considering it sober historical reality.

Jesus said Adam was made at the beginning of creation however some compromisers insist the days of creation were each millions or billions of years long, to fit in with the long-ages/evolutionary belief. But if they are correct, Jesus was wrong as the long-ages view has man appearing almost at the end of Creation, billions of years after the beginning.

If Jesus was wrong about this why do we imagine He was correct about salvation?
---Warwick on 11/23/13


Cliff,

I'm still waiting for your process of how to correctly interpret Genesis 1. All you've said is what is not the correct process.
---Marc on 11/23/13


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Cliff: "Jerry, Of course not, if you have the proper interpretation of days (Yom)"

You sound like Bill Clinton - "It depends on what 'is' is."

There is only one honest interpretation consistent with:

"Six days shalt thou labor ... For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth." (Exo 20:9,11)

Micha is right. God wrote six days, and He meant six ordinary days. Nothing else makes sense. The only problem arises when we try to inject a naturalistic (Evolution) paradigm into the scriptures. It just doesn't fit.



---jerry6593 on 11/23/13


Steveng: "The confusion here is when God's Word collides with science."

Be careful what you call science. Paul admonished Timothy:

1Ti 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

Much of which is called science these days is not - sometimes it is religion or politics masquerading as science. (Evolution and Global Warming are good examples of such masquerades.)

True science gives the age of the earth as six thousand years and the age of the fossils in all layers as c4,500 years.

As for the age of the universe, do yourself a favor and google "changing speed of light".

---jerry6593 on 11/23/13


Jerry, there you go again, putting up smoke screens to introduce the SDA's Seventh Day Sabbath for Saturday. Every time I see the question come up for the most part comes from an SDA. You are really not interested how many days, but which day God rested.
No matter if God rested on the Seventh day, you can never proof that the day was Saturday. Or that He started creation on Sunday. No details what day He started.
---Mark_V. on 11/23/13


For all the 24hour yom dogmatics,
Consider this, You are assuming that Genesis 1 was originally written in modern day Hebrew. NOT!
1st there is no evidence of pre flood writing. To be dogmatic about pre flood grammar when the actual language is unknown , is mere conjecture! Pushing your own agenda!
Logic alone prevents belief that all the things listed as happening on day six was completed in 24 hours! Sure God can do anything but Adam was not God!
---1st_cliff on 11/22/13


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The confusion here is when God's Word collides with science.

Science says the a star that is several light years away and that light travels at 186,000 miles per second assumes that the star must be billions of years old.

God says that he created everything in its place. If he created that same star yesterday and created the light to reach all corners of the universe at the same time, science assumes the star was billions of years old when it was only created yesterday.

The same for the rocks of the earth. God created the rocks that science assumes is millions of years old because the molecules decay at a certain rate, but in fact the earth is only tens of thousands of years old.
---Steveng on 11/22/13


God created time.
God said six days.
God knew exactly how Israel would take "shesh yowm."
This is the same "shesh yowm" that Israel was commanded to work and also was commanded to walk around the walls of Jericho.
Six days is six days.
One of the basics of Math.
a=a.
God is the God of logic. He created it as well.
There is only one reason man believes this not to be six ordinary days, man's fallible ideas and the so-called "proof" thereof.
It wasn't that long ago that the Earth was only a billion years old. Now it is said to be 4 billion.
Let's get further from God's Word, shall we?
---micha9344 on 11/22/13


Of course God wasn't lying Jer' though the devil & his children are always "accusing" Him of that! Shame on you for thinking (supposing) God could lie! The fact of the matter is the devil is a liar & the father of all liars. You can relate to that, can't you? :)
---Leon on 11/22/13


It's impossible for God to lie and that's because He's Truth. What's disturbing is when someone profess themselves to be a Christian and still can't get pass Genesis 1. Worse still, they poke their finger at God and question if He was lying.

I hope you do realise that this is an act of "unbelief". So, get off your milk bottle and grow up.
---christan on 11/22/13


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1stCliff,

Please explain the procedure for the correct interpretation. I'm all ears..or in this case, all eyes.
---Marc on 11/22/13


NO, of course God wasn't lying. It's simply that our UNDERSTANDING IS FAULTY (we have the tendency to misunderstand what God says because we do not speak DIVINE language. We like to think that we DO UNDERSTAND, but we only understand a 24 hour day. The "creation days" might have been millions of "TIME years" long (this is the age of ETERNITY, not the age OF TIME). Isaiah 57:15 says that the "high and lofty one" (GOD) is He who "inhabits eternity". Ephesians 1:10? says that Jesus came to earth as a "plan for the fulness of time" (completion and end of time).

In other words, "TIME" is a HUMAN thing (God is not restricted/limited to time... does not conform to "TIME".
---faithforfaith on 11/22/13


Jerry, Of course not, if you have the proper interpretation of days (Yom)
---1st_cliff on 11/22/13


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