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Do People Have Souls

Where in the bible are we told that all humans have an immortal soul that cannot die?

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therese, you said "then you would have to say humans have souls/spirits before coming to earth" - hahaha.. did i ever say that? That's the most demented and convoluted comment I've ever heard. Don't you read the Scriptures?

Here, this what Scripture says - when God created man, He created man body, soul and spirit (tripartite). And the evidence of this is found in Genesis 2:7 (body & soul). The spirit of the man is a given because we are told by Christ that "God is Spirit". And in Genesis 2 and 3, God and Adam had communication. But that came to an end in Genesis 3:24

Hence, our spirit now is dead to God till He makes us alive again (John 3:3-8). Simple.
---christan on 12/12/13


The Bible show we must get immortality.
Rom 2:7

To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

1Cr 15:53

For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

1Cr 15:54

So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

1Ti 6:16


2Ti 1:10

But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
---Samuelbb7 on 12/12/13


therese, please don't flatter yourself into thinking I need to discredit you in what you have said. You're doing a fine job of it by your own. Excellent job, if I could say so.

As for a Christian - how can he be saved and still not understand or believe in the doctrines of the Holy Bible? You blaspheme the Holy Spirit, and that's because Christ declared,

"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself, but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come." John 16:13

See? You're doing a fine job discrediting yourself.
---christan on 12/11/13


Thanks Samuelbb7. 12/9/13

Christan 12/8/13 please read comments more carefully. I wrote IF, IF, IF, one believes Jeremiah 1:4-5 is a verse to support soul/spirit immortality which Aka 12/8/13 quoted, then you would have to say humans have souls/spirits before coming to earth. I certainly dont believe the bible teaches that.


AKA REPLY,12/8/13 speaking of Jeremiah before he was formed in the womb,. GOD INTERACTED WITH HIM., seems to indicate to me that maybe you could say Aka believes that the soul lives before physical conception.

We need to be careful when quoting scripture of all the implications of our interpretation of that scripture.
---therese on 12/11/13


amen bro elder. doctrine, bible or any other thing will keep us from getting saved. I worry the wrong doctrine will be used and sending some to hell. Christians should be decipled before we witness to anyone. even, then all we need to do is say "let me tell you what Jesus did for me". you don't really need doctrine but we do need to be a testimony.
---shira4368 on 12/11/13




A wrong doctrine concerning the gospel, will not save you. The wrong Jesus cannot save you. Only the Truth can save you. The Lord God Almighty can save you by grace. Can a person be saved and not believe in the gospel of Jesus Christ? Mark_V.

I am not stuck with Tulip you are. Correct a wrong doctrine will not save you. Because we are not saved by doctrines. But by the blood of JESUS CHRIST. The Bible says Believe on the LORD JESUS CHRIST and be saved.

In your own teaching a person is saved by the will of GOD no matter. That is what Spurgeon taught.

A false doctrine can lead you from JESUS to follow lies. Such as saved by works as the LDS teach. Or a person can live in unrepented sin. GOD is our saviour.
---Samuelbb7 on 12/11/13


MarkV, would a person be lost if they had the wrong view/belief about baptism, tongues, The Rapture and Second Coming?
Just what is the Gospel?
What is the Gospel according to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John?
Is Acts a Gospel?
It is very possible to be confused about the after life, death, Heaven, Hell and a host of other things and still be saved.
It matters if you are confused/wrong about the Gospel and how to be saved.
A person is not a biblical Scholar when they get saved. That takes time and study.
---Elder on 12/11/13


Samuel, you are stuck with the tulip. As I told someone else today, you need to put your feelings towards others aside when you want to answer for the Word of God, because what you say can condemn you. you say:
"I agree with you. Being wrong about the state of the dead does not make a person lost."
A wrong doctrine concerning the gospel, will not save you. The wrong Jesus cannot save you. Only the Truth can save you. The Lord God Almighty can save you by grace. Can a person be saved and not believe in the gospel of Jesus Christ? not possible.
---Mark_V. on 12/11/13


Dear therese

Thank you for your comments. Christian seemed to have deliberately ignored what you actually said.

I agree with you. Being wrong about the state of the dead does not make a person lost.

But Christian teaches that unless you believe in TULIP that we are not saved. There are a number of people who believe that correct doctrine is as much our savior as JESUS.
---Samuelbb7 on 12/11/13


Christan, 12/10/13 sorry you misunderstood me again. Or you are looking for excuses to dscredit me and what I post.

I was speaking of christians who believe in Jesus as our saviour who can be saved even if their doctrine on the state of the dead is not right.
---therese on 12/10/13




"I believe one can be saved even if what they believe about death is not truth." therese

Unbelievable! That would then make the JWs and the Mormons saved souls, and whatever the other false christians who even believe in purgatory, saved souls.

The death and resurrection of Jesus Christ is one of the most important doctrine to be taught in the Holy Bible. So how can one even say it doesn't matter if you believe in death which is not in harmony with the Bible's teaching that you can be a saved soul?

"And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." John 17:3 - one cannot believe in a lie and yet be saved. God is 100% Truth!
---christan on 12/10/13


I believe one can be saved even if what they believe about death is not truth.

So what dangers are to those who believe in no consciousness in death?

Probably a little less comfort thinking about their IN CHRIST loved ones, although believing that in their next conscious moment they will be in the presence of Jesus gives almost as much comfort.

But they dont have to think of their not IN CHRIST loved ones suffering torment.

And they are protected from believing in communication from the dead, in reality, from evil spirits.
---therese on 12/10/13


"I can find no text in the bible that says that this intangible part of man can exist outside the body." Therese

How about reading Luke 16:19-31 and make sense of what Christ was teaching here about what happens to the man after he dies in the flesh.

Jesus explicitly said, "And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried" verse 22.

And yet the following verses after this, we are told that the rich man was communicating with Abraham and even pleading that he be sent back to his family to warn them about where he has gone to after death.

Do tell, which part of the rich man was talking to Abraham?
---christan on 12/9/13


I believe one can be saved even if what they believe about death is not truth.

So then what dangers are there, to believing in an immortal soul that goes somewhere as soon as one dies?

I would like to suggest, it leaves the living in danger of being deceived by satan and evil angels who masquerade as spirits of those who have died.

On the plus side, yes it gives comfort about the dead, if they were IN CHRIST, but paints a horrible picture of those who were not IN CHRIST
---therese on 12/9/13


"Movement"? Is that kinda like Church (Body of Christ)?

You & I don't see eye-to-eye because there's a gulf between our understandings. Your bibilical views are filtered thru the lens of Adventist teaching. My views come from what the Bible actually says.

All Scripture is correct... But, not all Bible interpreters are rightly led in understanding, knowledge, wisdom of Scripture. Leon

Yes Leon Movement is a church part of the Body of Christ which is made up of true followers from all denominations.

If your views come from what the Bible says then post the Bible verses that say so. I was an agnostic before becoming a Christians and joining the SDA church.

I agree with you last paragraph.
---Samuelbb7 on 12/9/13


Christian you did not read or write Theresea statement correctly. She is not saying we have souls before coming to earth like Mormons LDS and Hindus believe.

Our Spirit is what makes us alive and is give us by GOD. Who alone is immortal. 1Tim6:16

We must be given immortality.

Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

1Cr 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
---Samuelbb7 on 12/9/13


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Great is their hypocrisy that some claim they are "Christian" and yet they deny Scriptures written of by the prophets and apostles as those that just because they are not spoken and taught of by Christ personally, to be untrue. Romans 16:26 christan

Very True Christian. GOD wrote the Ten Commandments on Tables of stone and in the New Testament he writes them on our hearts. Hebrews 8:8-13

JESUS said
Rom 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

We should believe Scripture.
---Samuelbb7 on 12/9/13


Therese, your question is really reaching to get people to start questioning bodily resurrection.
trav pointed out scripture that supports it.
another fine bbq, trav
thanks
---aka on 12/5/13

Meat is good...for those that can digest/chew it.
There are not many questions here or thoughts that I haven't asked the bible for myself.
I won't be guilty of arguing with the prophets/apostles/Lord.
One can't reach or understand those that do.

While those that can eat, all understand the same.
1Co_10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat,
---Trav on 12/9/13


"...we are alive as a soul/spirit before our bodies are formed" therese

Say what? Where did you get this nonsense from? Definitely not the Bible! You saying you're a god? That you're "a soul/spirit" before you became flesh? Because it sounds like that's what you're implying. I thought that only happened in the person of Jesus Christ, who was God and being God, He's spirit? But you? Wow!

When God created Adam, he was form of dust (Genesis 2:7). He didn't even exist as a living soul till God breathed into his nostril. And Adam was alive first?

"Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural, and afterward that which is spiritual." 1 Corinthians 15:46
---christan on 12/8/13


//
jerry, 2 Corinthians 5:8 tells us when we are absent from the body we are present with the Lord.

---shira4368 on 12/8/13 //


This figure of speech used by Paul (3 times) is no certification of the immortal spook state of man, but is rather equivalent to our "although I'm out of town, I'm with you in spirit". In Paul's case, he was away from the church (BODY of Christ), but remained spiritually connected to Christ.

Otherwise, he would have directly contradicted:

1Ti 6:14, 16 ... our Lord Jesus Christ ... Who ONLY hath immortality




---jerry6593 on 12/9/13


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\\....Sound like a soul part to me. \\
---BRYAN

It doesn't matter what it "sounds like"
Genesis 1:26-28 God made "man" in His own image, then made "them" male and female, and told them to be fruitful. Family structure, not individuals.


\\ There is no heresy about God this not the dark ages. \\
---BRYAN

Dark Ages? Traducianism is an early heresy. If Adam killed all of his descendants spiritually, then you have a Christ who was spiritually dead and needed to be born again.

Or you have a Christ who was not made like us in all things

EITHER one would be heresy

You need to clean up your "sounds like" into the bible says
---James_L on 12/9/13


Jerry, you wonder too much. Why do you not believe? you need faith Jerry. And that faith comes from God. You just don't have it. What do you think happens to the spirit that God brings to life when the Holy Spirit brings life to our spirit? Are you not born of the Spirit? Stop wondering and start believing. Oh, I forgot, only God can make you believe the Truth. When you make sarcastic remarks about spooks, you are speaking against the Spirit. Is He a spook to you?
---Mark_V. on 12/9/13


The Holy Bible is also known as the Word of God. From Genesis to Revelation, it's ALL about Jesus Christ, regardless of who the prophets or apostles were writing the Scriptures. Paul says it best, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine"

Great is their hypocrisy that some claim they are "Christian" and yet they deny Scriptures written of by the prophets and apostles as those that just because they are not spoken and taught of by Christ personally, to be untrue.

"But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith." Romans 16:26
---christan on 12/8/13


Theresa, I wasn't even talking about the scripture that I gave. I believe that spirit is of God and spirit returns to God. It says so in scripture.

You said that no intangible part of man can exist outside the body. God did more than just know about him. God interacted with him.

Push what you want.
---aka on 12/8/13


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Aka 12/8/13 you quoted Jeremiah 1:4-5. Of course God knows all about us before we are born. Sorry Aka that verse doesnt support an immortal soul unless one believes we are alive as a soul/spirit before our bodies are formed. That way of thinking favours the error of reincarnation.
---therese on 12/8/13


Well, that isn't what Jesus said. He never said He sowed in corruption but that He sowed good seed. Matt 13:37. It was someone else who sowed in corruption. Matt 13:39.

"The field is the world, the good seed are the children of the kingdom, but the tares are the children of the wicked one." Matt 13:38.
---barb on 12/8/13


Good scripture has been presented. But sarcasm and deception and putting others down will persist, but in the end the Truth will prevail.
---aka on 12/8/13


"If a person can live as a spirit or soul I wonder why the need of a glorified body?" therese

"But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die.

So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour, it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body."
1 Corinthians 15:35,36,42-44
---christan on 12/8/13


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James what does the bible say what God is? He is Spirit. Worship him in spirit and truth. James What does the bible say Jesus is? He is the word of God made flesh, all things was made by him. James and how about the Spirit of God, intellect of God? Holy Spirit teaches us all things, Adam was a pretty smart person even after he sinned. Sound like a soul part to me. There is no heresy about God this not the dark ages. WE are all equal in his eyes. Faith makes us that way. This is the Gospel of Jesus given to us by God. 3 parts. Man 3 part, spirit, soul and body.
---BRYAN on 12/8/13


jerry, 2 Corinthians 5:8 tells us when we are absent from the body we are present with the Lord.
---shira4368 on 12/8/13


I can find no text in the bible that says that this intangible part of man can exist outside the body. Can any bloggers?---thereseon 12/7/13

Jeremiah 1:4-5 KJV

Then the word of the Lord came unto me [Jeremiah], saying, Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee, and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
---aka on 12/8/13


//
If a person can live as a spirit or soul I wonder why the need of a glorified body?
---therese on 12/7/13 //

Great point! Relatedly:

I wonder why Jesus promised to return and take us with Him if we were already with Him (as spooks) in heaven.

I wonder why some believe that they rise into life (as spooks) at the time of their deaths when the Bible says that they will be raised "at the last day".

I wonder why some think that Jesus must return to earth to retrieve our rotted bodies and unite them with our spooks. Can't He create new ones in heaven?




---jerry6593 on 12/8/13


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As stated by other bloggers, Adams body was not given a soul. He became a soul.

Soul (Nephesh) in the old testament is mostly used referring to a whole person as in See Gen 46:27 ( souls in KJV, persons in NKJV) but sometimes to the thinking, emotional, character of a person as in Deut 6:5.

Jesus spoke of the soul as the whole person, focusing on the thinking, believing, intangible aspect of man on which one will be judged. Gain the world and lose ones soul. Mt 16:26

I can find no text in the bible that says that this intangible part of man can exist outside the body. Can any bloggers?
---therese on 12/7/13


\\As for the "Soul That cannot die" What part will be case into the lake of fire with satan?\\

According to Jesus, it's both body AND soul. Matthew 10:28

If you read the Bible, you would know this.

BTW, Bryan, did you know that BRYAN (in all caps) is considered another name here on the blogs?

Just letting you know.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/7/13


\\ Genesis 1:27, God said in our image, spirit, soul and body...\\
---BRYAN

WRONG !!
NOWHERE does scripture say that spirit, soul and body corresponds to the image of God

Mankind is the image of God - He made THEM male and female


\\ Adams sin killed our spirit...\\
---BRYAN

WRONG again !!
There is NO scriptural support for this heresy.
---James_L on 12/7/13


Genesis 1:27, God said in our image, spirit, soul and body, As for the "Soul That cannot die" What part will be case into the lake of fire with satan? Revelation 20:10. Those which are not born again spiritually, there souls will not enter heaven. Adams sin killed our spirit, then our soul and then our body, Jesus gives life back to our spirit which brings his life back in our soul and body.
---BRYAN on 12/7/13


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If a person can live as a spirit or soul I wonder why the need of a glorified body?---thereseon 12/7/13

My apologies if I was wrong about your intent.

There seems to be a purpose. New Jerusalem... New earth. Enoch went somewhere without physically dying. Jesus went somewhere with his glorified body.

It really does not matter to me. I just want to be available for what he wants me to do now and I know there are things attached to this body that I know I cannot bring and the only way is if he glorifies me.
---aka on 12/7/13


Therese, your question is really reaching to get people to start questioning bodily resurrection. Aka 12/5/13

The resurrection of the dead is my and the christians blessed hope. I have no problem with the resurrection of the dead. Jesus refers to the resurrection of the saved and the unsaved.

If a person can live as a spirit or soul I wonder why the need of a glorified body?
---therese on 12/7/13


1st cliff, I don't expect that you will ever read scripture the way that some do. Thanks again trav.
---aka on 12/6/13


"...I'm a Christian, a Judeo-Christian Protestant & member of the Seventh day Adventist movement.

If I'm posting passages out of context then point out how the context is wrong..."
---Samuelbb7 on 12/6/13


Sam: "Movement"? Is that kinda like Church (Body of Christ)?

You & I don't see eye-to-eye because there's a gulf between our understandings. :) Your bibilical views are filtered thru the lens of Adventist teaching. My views come from what the Bible actually says.

All Scripture is correct & correctly said. But, not all Bible interpreters & readers are rightly led in understanding, knowledge & wisdom of Scripture.
---Leon on 12/6/13


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Sam: You can't put the pieces of a puzzle together correctly without having a true vision of what it really looks like (the big picture). I'm a Judeo-Christian Protestant (Non-denominational). What are you?
Leon

I am a Christian, a Judeo-Christian Protestant and a Member of the Seventh day Adventist movement.

If I am posting passages out of context then point out how the context is wrong.



Questions, to those who has the spirit of the Sadducees. If the soul and spirit of the man perishes together with the body of flesh and blood, never to exist again. christan



I do not follow the Sadducees. I believe in the bodily resurrection of the dead. Act 17:32
Act 23:6
Act 24:15-21
---Samuelbb7 on 12/6/13


Questions, questions, questions to those who has the spirit of the Sadducees.

If the soul and spirit of the man perishes together with the body of flesh and blood, never to exist again - what then is John saying when he wrote:

"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever." Revelation 20:10

What is God "tormenting or punishing" if these fools believe that their soul and spirit exist not anymore after their earthly death? Do tell...
---christan on 12/5/13


Therese: 'He CANNOT or WILL NOT take away their immortality.'

You could say that if you desire. That is if you take the passages in Revelation, at least and the lake of fire.

There are at least two phrases in revelation about the lake of fire (Rev 20:14 and Rev 21:8) where it is called 'the second death'.

The Bible tells us much more about those that are saved than those that are condemned.

I take the soul to be immortal
---Peter on 12/5/13


aka, Trav s answer does not support the joining together of body and soul , it says no such thing it supports resurrection, a re standing to life! a bringing a dead person back to life ! as Jesus demonstrated with Lazarus!
---1st_cliff on 12/5/13


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Cliff - I know it a different type of body - it is raised a spiritual body , I Know were your coming from, am the one that got that one a little mixed up in what you were originally saying,

Corinthains 15:49 - And as we have borne the image of the Earthy, we shall also bear the image of the Heavenly.
---RICHARDC on 12/5/13


Therese, your question is really reaching to get people to start questioning bodily resurrection.

trav pointed out scripture that supports it.

another fine bbq, trav

thanks
---aka on 12/5/13


Richard C, None of the scriptures you cited say anything about re joining body and soul!
! Cor. 15. 52 "the DEAD will be raised" The dead what? The dead people! No where does it say "dead bodies"
Get the big picture.. Angels and spirit persons have different bodies, ones suitable for living in a different realm.
If you're being resurrected to life on the new earth a body suitable will be provided for life there!
God has not changed His mind about human life on earth!
---1st_cliff on 12/5/13


"...you cannot understand a puzzle without putting the pieces together correctly...Scripture is the basis of truth. [You're] not giving scripture to your points...the resurrection of JESUS makes it possible for all who are saved to go to Heaven. My question. Why are the dead resurrected when they are already in heaven or hell?..."
---Samuelbb7 on 12/5/13


Sam: You can't put the pieces of a puzzle together correctly without having a true vision of what it really looks like (the big picture). I'm a Judeo-Christian Protestant (Non-denominational). What are you?

You can quote Bible passages repetitively, but unless you "truly" understand them you're babbling, way out of context, in vain.
---Leon on 12/5/13


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To answer your question, the resurrection of Jesus Christ makes salvation possible for Old & New Testament saints:... People have been going paradise & hell since the beginning (Genesis). Leon

Yes Leon you cannot understand a puzzle without putting the pieces together correctly. Nor can you when you add pieces from another puzzle into the first puzzle.

Scripture is the basis of truth. You are not giving scripture to your points.

True the resurrection of JESUS makes it possible for all who are saved to go to Heaven. My question. Why are the dead resurrected when they are already in heaven or hell?

Where are your Bible passages. The Bible says they are asleep. First Thess. 4:14 5:10 Dan 12:2 Job 7:21
---Samuelbb7 on 12/5/13


Cliff 12/4/13 ---- No scripture that's says body and soul are rejoined ----------------->

1 Corinthains 15:44 - It is sown natural body, it is raise a Spiritual body , There is a natural body, and there is Spiritual body,

1 Corinthains 15:52 - In a moment in a twinkling of a eye, at the last trump, for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be change,
---RICHARDC on 12/5/13


Leon, You get a little grouchy when I step on your toes!
You're talking "bible facts"? what bible fact says you have a physical mind and a spiritual mind both in the same brain? What happens to the spirit mind when the physical mind has dementia?
When you have nightmares and weird dreams is this the spirit mind? How do you differentiate?
How does alcohol able to affect the spirit mind and judgement?
Can blind person's spirit mind still see?
Can a deaf person's spirit mind hear?
We have "only" one mind Leon!
---1st_cliff on 12/5/13


"Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?" (Romans 9:21)

There are vessels for the living and loving water of the Holy Spirit sharing our Father's own love with us "in our hearts" (Romans 5:5). But there are vessels for carrying Satan's filth to the flaming sewer which burns with fire and brimstone.

There is "the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience," Paul says in Ephesians 2:2. This is going where we are not going to be . . . in vessels. Because God is the God of order, having things organized into vessels.

Don't be a sewer bucket, then, of pride and conceit and unforgiveness and bitterness.
---willie_c: on 12/5/13


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Cluny, There's no scripture that says body and soul are "re joined"
---1st_cliff on 12/4/13

But....there is.
Eze 37:11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel:
Eze 37:12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
Eze 37:13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
Eze 37:14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live,I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it,performed it, saith the LORD.
---Trav on 12/5/13


No where in the bible are we told of a soul going anywhere at death.

There seems to be some confusion with the verse that says, the SPIRIT returns to God who gave it. Ecclestiastes 12:7

This is not only applying to the saved but the unsaved. So those who say we have IMMORTAL SOULS should say we have IMMORTAL SPIRITS.

I guess we should be looking for the words IMMORTAL SPIRIT in the Bible. Anywhere??
---therese on 12/4/13


Cluny, There's no scripture that says body and soul are "re joined"
---1st_cliff on 12/4/13


"...So if they are already in heaven or hell why the resurrection?"
---Samuelbb7 on 12/4/13


Sam: You remind me of someone with a puzzle in the box. You've dumped all the pieces out then you've gotten yourself busy trying to connect random pieces without first looking at & becoming familiar with the big picture on the front of the box. You can't possibly make sense of the puzzle without a clear vision of what the puzzle is about.

To answer your question, the resurrection of Jesus Christ makes salvation possible for Old & New Testament saints: OT by God's promise & their acceptance by faith, & NT by belief & faith. People have been going paradise & hell since the beginning (Genesis).
---Leon on 12/4/13


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Aka. 12/4/13 . You want me to reveal who I am. By the way my pen name is Therese not Theresa. I am a committed born again Christian. Yes my question is similar to blogs I have put on before and that is because I am horrified that my loving , kind and merciful God is also pictured as a tyrant punishing the unsaved for all eternity because He CANNOT or WILL NOT take away their immortality. Im sure there are other bloggers who feel the same and find scripture doesn't describe this tyrant God.
---therese on 12/4/13


Clifford: I said nothing about the "physical" brain of which you've confused with the "spirit" mind (soul). The cognitive activity in the hunk of meat in your skull, known as the brain, houses (is the command & control center for) your mind (soul).

All you can give me is your irate, subjective ridicule & a blitz/barrage of pointless (unsubstantial) garbage questions Cliff. But, you repeatedly choose to ignore Bible facts.

By the way, aren't you the one who vehemently opposes Paul's writings & Luke's biblical accounts? I seriously wonder what "YOUR" Bible looks like after the numerous books you've ripped out. Obviously, you're the pot calling the kettle black, eh? :)
---Leon on 12/4/13


\\So if they are already in heaven or hell why the resurrection?
---Samuelbb7 on 12/4/13\\

To rejoin soul and body and experience the fullness of salvation--or otherwise.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/4/13


Leon, That the brain controls man is indisputable! What happens to spirit man when physical man has dementia?
You still haven't said where the bible says the soul is immortal. You're making this up so fess up!
Out of the 8 gazillion times, scripture would have at lest hinted that the soul is immortal. Maybe your bible doesn't tell you that "God alone has immortality" 1Tim.6.16. Is this page still attached in your bible?? Read it!
---1st_cliff on 12/4/13


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ha ha

same old stuff ... different day?

will theresa please tell us who she really is?
---aka on 12/4/13


Ecc 12:7

Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

The Bible says all spirits return to GOD. The Bible also says the dead are asleep in the grave waiting the resurrection.

Act 13:36 For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:

Jhn 5:29 And shall come forth, they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life, and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

So if they are already in heaven or hell why the resurrection?
---Samuelbb7 on 12/4/13


Sam: Can we accurately say spirit man doesn't have all the sensory attributes of our physical man? You assume so! That's why it doesn't make any sense to you.

What does Scripture say? The rich man was tormented. He thirsted. He had thoughts & feelings about his relatives. Like many here, you may say, "Oh, it's just a made up fable Jesus told to drive a point", OR you can take GOD at His word!

Therese: You speak truth about 1 Tim 6:16. But, what does the entire Bible say? Didn't "immortal God" breath His immortality into man? (Genesis) Doesn't God want us to live immortal lives forever with Him? Doesn't the Bible say man will spend eternity somewhere, either in heaven or hell (the lake of fire)?
---Leon on 12/4/13


Cliff: "You're" (not your) so subjectively wrongheaded you can't possibly understand even if soul were mentioned in Scripture 8 gazillion times. God-inspired Scripture (not a book of morons) is objectively clear in the matter: first, flesh man & second, spirit man, both sharing a God-breathed soul (cognitive consciousness & awareness). The God-breathed spirit man animates the lifeless physical man (much like we wear clothing). Both share one soul (mind). Man is physical AS WELL AS SPIRIT. (John 4:23-24)

Physical man returns to dust at death. But, spirit man " & his attached immortal soul" goes wherever one's chosen lifestyle takes him/her, i.e., a blissful paradise or tormenting hell.
---Leon on 12/4/13


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Well in the scripture Lazarus has a body with a tongue that could be cooled by water.

So the parable you use to say an immaterial soul show a body. How does this prove you are correct when you do not even follow the passage?

The wages of sin is death. JESUS said that and I believe it.
---Samuelbb7 on 12/4/13


The verse before it tells you to ask questions on your computer, therese, and the verse after it says to "accept Christ" as "personal Savior," and to have invitation hymns, altar calls, and revivals.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/4/13


1st Timothy 6:16 states God alone has immortality. Surely if that changed and God gave humans immortal souls, we would find that clearly stated somewhere in the bible. One would think the ideal place was in Genesis 1, or following this comment from Timothy. Maybe Moses and Timothy didn't know about it.
---therese on 12/4/13


Leon, FYI soul is mentioned over 800 times in scripture, not once does it say immortal, deathless or never dieing.
Again I say your making up your own scriptures.
The only place it says the soul cannot die is in the Book of Mormon Alma 42.9 is that where you get your info???
---1st_cliff on 12/4/13


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"Leon, How do you get a licence to make up scripture?
After Adam's fall his spirit died?? Bible says no such thing.
In fact it says Adam "LIVED" 930 years then he (Adam the soul)died!
To change this is to make up your own scripture!"
---1st_cliff on 12/3/13


I'm sorry you don't comprehend the truth written (revealed) in the Bible Cliff. Hopefully, before "physical" death, you'll be born again (regenerated/spirit quickened) & your "immortal soul" won't have to transition (wake up), like the rich man, to the torments (nagging regrets) of hell.

Why did Jesus say to Nicodemus, "You must be born again (spirit quickened)" while Nics body & soul were yet alive?
---Leon on 12/3/13


"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul." Genesis 2:7

Until God breathed His life into Adam, he was just a "formed man of the dust of the ground", no life. His soul came about after only God breathed into him.

Can one see the flesh? Of course. But can one see the soul? We can only see the manifestation of the soul through the actions of the man. And when God cursed Adam "for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return", wasn't it the dust that perished after 930 years in Adam?

Was the soul made from dust? Go figure.
---christan on 12/3/13


Leon, How do you get a licence to make up scripture?
After Adam's fall his spirit died?? Bible says no such thing.
In fact it says Adam "LIVED" 930 years then he (Adam the soul)died!
To change this is to make up your own scripture!
---1st_cliff on 12/3/13


No one has a soul rather you are a soul it is a state of being, from the Hebrew word Nefesh it is when life begins. You must be fully born breath actual air unaided It can only apply to mammals as you must be born alive and not hatched from an egg. You are a soul as long as you are alive when die you are dead. Spirit and Soul are not interchangeable they have totally different meanings.
---Blogger9211 on 12/3/13


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Furthermore Therese, Luke 16:19-31 is Jesus' telling us the "FACTS", in contrast, about what happens to the regenerated (spirit quickened ~ Eph. 2:1-5, born again ~ Jn. 3:1-21) man & his (in this case the blessed condition of their souls, Abraham & Lazarus, in paradise) & the consequences faced by the unregenerated (spirit dead) Lazarus & his soul in hell. Note, the souls of these men are very much aware of their opposing situations & environments. Their memories/recollections of past life events are very much intact & continue on into eternity.

Man's soul, according to Scripture, doesn't die though many "lose their minds" in the torments of hell. (Mark 8:36)
---Leon on 12/3/13


Therese, Nowhere at all!
---1st_cliff on 12/3/13


...God made Adam from the dust of the ground & breathed into his nostrils the breath of life [spirit of God]...Adam became a living soul. (G2:7)

...God told Adam...eat freely of every tree in the garden, but don't eat of the tree of the knowledge of good & evil...when you eat it you'll die. (G 2:16-17, KJV)

After eating the forbidden fruit the Adam's souls (cognitive faculties) didn't die. Their spirits died, i.e., their incorrupt, God given breath became corrupt (polluted) & had a profoundly noticeable & degenerative affect on their physical bodies. (G3:7) Instant awareness of the disconnect between their spirit & the life sustaining Spirit of God brought fear to their "souls" (minds).
---Leon on 12/3/13


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