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What exactly do people here mean by "welfare"? There is actually no government program called that.

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NurseRoberts, that's simply not what the constitution says! You paraphrase the constitution in an attempt to give it a new meaning. The 2nd Amendment says "The right to bear arms shall not be infringed", period. Not "can be somewhat infringed". And the 1st Amendment says "Congress shall make no laws respecting an establishment of religion, or preventing the free exercise thereof". That doesn't fit with your claim that they can prohibit public prayer. It does not say "individuals shall not promote one religion over another" as you claim! A group of individuals praying allowed and publicly is in no way the same as creating a law establishing that religion. FREE (unrestricted) exercise is guaranteed.
---Jed on 12/16/13


\\Preventing students from leading prayer at a football game is a violation of the 1st amendment.\\

Jed, how would you feel about Hindu, Buddhist, Wiccan, or mahometan prayers before a football game?

Please answer this question.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/16/13


Jed, its YOUR stupidity that amazes us.

The 2nd Amendment does NOT give you unfettered right to any weapon you chose. YOUR right winger Supreme Court, the arbiter of what is Constitutional has already ruled on that. The first amendment does NOT give the government the right to supersede any one religion over another, and that includes schools.

You're outright ignorance of the laws and how laws are made continues to amaze.
---NurseRobert on 12/16/13


Wow! You liberals never cease to amaze with your infinite stupidity! Are you really that ignorant of the constitution that can't see with your own eyes how it is being violated?

For starters, gun control laws are a violation of the 2nd amendment. The second amendment doesn't say "the right to bear arms may only be infringed to a certain degree" it says "shall not be infringed". That means zero restriction.

Preventing students from leading prayer at a football game is a violation of the 1st amendment.

I can go on all day. Sadly there isn't space and you are too ignorant to understand.
---Jed on 12/16/13


\\Most of the Bill of Rights is violated by unconstitutional laws and administration policies. They were taken by abuse of power, by passing laws which violate our constitutional rights, and by administrations passing laws or "policies" which are not voted on by congress.\\

Please give specific examples, identifying each such law with the amendment it violates.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/16/13




Most of the Bill of Rights is violated by unconstitutional laws and administration policies. They were taken by abuse of power,
---Jed on 12/15/13

Another NON-answer by Jed. Come on Jed, what rights of yours have been taken away?
---NurseRobert on 12/16/13



1) When and where was the constitution repealed?


I never said it was! You asked "Has the constitution been suspended? Have your rights been cancelled?" The answer is most definitely yes. Had it been repealed, then the answer would be no!

2) Which rights, enumerated by the constitution have you lost, when did you lose them, and by what process were they taken away?

Most of the Bill of Rights is violated by unconstitutional laws and administration policies. They were taken by abuse of power, by passing laws which violate our constitutional rights, and by administrations passing laws or "policies" which are not voted on by congress.
---Jed on 12/15/13


"I don't make merry myself at Christmas and I can't afford to make idle people merry. I help to support
the establishments I have mentioned--they cost enough, and those who are badly off must go there."

"Many can't go there, and many would rather die."

"If they would rather die," said Scrooge, "they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/15/13


"Also, did you mean "lazy republican majority congress", since they're the ones who spent all their efforts in shutting down the government,
StrongAxe

Did you notice the Democrats and Obama would not listen to the GOP and they are the ones who caused the "Gov shut down." Now they are doing just what the GOP was trying to get done.

Strange that Democrats won't listen to the GOP but after the ruin comes they do just what the GOP said to begin with. Of course people with socialist eyes and wants can't see what is going on.

---Elder on 12/15/13


Jed:

You said: Yes to all of those questions. Where have you been

Oh really? Then please enlighten me:

1) When and where was the constitution repealed?

2) Which rights, enumerated by the constitution have you lost, when did you lose them, and by what process were they taken away?

3) When were the 2016 elections suspended?

If you can't provide specific affirmative answers to this, you can't honestly answer "yes" to any of my questions.
---StrongAxe on 12/15/13





This country is a constitutional republic. Has that changed recently? Has the constitution been suspended? Have your rights been cancelled?

---StrongAxe on 12/14/13


Yes to all of those questions. Where have you been?
---Jed on 12/14/13


Elder:

You said: I am not concerned about Obama becoming a dictator. He already is one.

How so? This country is a constitutional republic. Has that changed recently? Has the constitution been suspended? Have your rights been cancelled? If you don't like your president, can't you still vote agaainst him in 2016?

Under these conditions, how can you possibly say he's a dictator?

Yea, sure but why doesn't Obama get rid of that lazy democrat majority congress.

That's not his job as president. It's yours, as voter. Also, did you mean "lazy republican majority congress", since they're the ones who spent all their efforts in shutting down the government, rather than doing their jobs?
---StrongAxe on 12/14/13


Trish...I saw that too. At least he didn't say he was speaking in tongues. LOL
---KarenD on 12/14/13


My, my.... Are you getting a little frazzled there Cluny?

Where did I say you voted for anyone? You are having this issue with yourself not me.

People can get rid of pest many ways. You'd do it too, unless they were benefiting you.
---Elder on 12/14/13


\\Now Cluny, knowing this is not a spelling issue where did you see that I said he was to expel anyone?\\

What other meaning do your own words have?

**Yea, sure but why doesn't Obama get rid of that lazy democrat majority congress.**

How else is he to "get rid" of his democratic majority--which he does not have, btw, since there's a Republican majority in the House?

In case it's any of your business, I didn't vote for Obama--or Bush, either.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/14/13


Now Cluny, knowing this is not a spelling issue where did you see that I said he was to expel anyone?

Why do you think he supports non-performers during elections?

I am not concerned about Obama becoming a dictator. He already is one.

You haven't noticed yet because Bush musta caused it. You are going to find out though.

Do you find it strange that a democrat congress hasnt supported his budget but fell for his unread health care plan?
---Elder on 12/13/13


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Elder: I read, today, that the sign interpreter at Mandela's funeral was suffering a "schizophrenic episode." His exact words.
---Trish on 12/13/13


Shira: I know plenty of people, earning much more than I am, who voted for Obama in both elections. Not all of his voters are on TANF, Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, SNAP, Supplemental Nutritional Assistance Program, or Medicaid. A lot earn more than $100,00, and have college and graduate degrees. They pay their fair share in taxes, and donate to charity.

I'm going to research this to get an accurate demographic. I've done some research, but don't have all the information yet.
---Trish on 12/13/13


\\Yea, sure but why doesn't Obama get rid of that lazy democrat majority congress.\\

BTW, the President has no power to expel members from Congress or remove them from office.

If Obama were to attempt this, you would be the FIRST to scream about his becoming a dictator.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/13/13


micha, I totally agree with you. the government is holding the poor hostage. it has also made lazy people and again Im not talking about the needed. how do you think Obama was re-elected. the entitlement people elected him because they don't have to work. I know it is so hard for single moms to make a living and they are the ones who need help. Ive never seen such lazy people as now.
---shira4368 on 12/13/13


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We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[note 1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
--I don't think what we have today is what the founding fathers meant by "general welfare."
---micha9344 on 12/13/13


\\Yea, sure but why doesn't Obama get rid of that lazy democrat majority congress.

I know, I know.... it's Bush's fault!!

We sure wouldn't want Obama to take responsibility for anything. Not even the sign language "interpreter" at Mandela's funeral.\\

1. There's a Democratic majority in the Senate because the people elected one, just as there's a Republican majority in the House for the same reason.

2. Obama did not choose the fradulent sign interpreter.

Neither of these things can be blamed on the Big O. He is responsible for enough things already without making up more.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/13/13


"Obama has submitted budgets, Congress failed to pass one."

Yea, sure but why doesn't Obama get rid of that lazy democrat majority congress.

I know, I know.... it's Bush's fault!!

We sure wouldn't want Obama to take responsibility for anything. Not even the sign language "interpreter" at Mandela's funeral. That's was dumber that Bush walking into a locked door.
---Elder on 12/12/13


To answer the original question, years ago in some states the agency was called the Department of Child Welfare and welfare was used in other agency titles also.
---KarenD on 12/12/13


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And this president has never submitted a budget in the 5 years he has been in office!
---Jed on 12/12/13

Another flat out lie by Jed. Obama has submitted budgets, Congress failed to pass one.
---NurseRobert on 12/12/13


\\And this president has never submitted a budget in the 5 years he has been in office!\\

Actually, Congress has simply not passed one in FOUR years, which is the length of time Obama has been in office.

But what do facts matter when you have an ideology?
---Cluny on 12/12/13



"The United States budget process begins when the President of the United States submits a budget request to Congress. The President's budget is formulated over a period of months with the assistance of the Office of Management and Budget, the largest office within the Executive Office of the President. The budget request includes funding requests for all federal executive departments and independent agencies...The President's budget request constitutes an extensive proposal of the administration's intended revenue and spending plans for the following fiscal year."-Wiki

---micha9344 on 12/12/13


This is absolutely correct. And this president has never submitted a budget in the 5 years he has been in office!
---Jed on 12/12/13


16 trillion is still 16 trillion regardless of inflation.
Neither side has the maturity or is responsible enough to deal with it.
Ignorance is bliss.
Also:
"The United States budget process begins when the President of the United States submits a budget request to Congress. The President's budget is formulated over a period of months with the assistance of the Office of Management and Budget, the largest office within the Executive Office of the President. The budget request includes funding requests for all federal executive departments and independent agencies...The President's budget request constitutes an extensive proposal of the administration's intended revenue and spending plans for the following fiscal year."-Wiki
---micha9344 on 12/12/13


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micha9344 on 12/11/13: Your number, even without the fact that they are not corrected for inflation, have another problem, which is more important.

You quote them each four years, and name the president as 'responsible' for the deficit

However, it is not the president who writes the budget.

The budget is written by the house, and so you should blame whoever controls the house. At times like now, when one party controls the house of representatives and the other party controls the senate, it is impossible to blame anyone.

The president just signs the budget (or refuses to). But in the case of Obama, he has not had to do that, because the senate has refused to accept what the representatives passed.
---Peter on 12/11/13


"2008 10,024,725 2,645,672 Bush
2012 16,066,241 6,041,516 Obama"

And this is eight years v/s 5 years. We ain't got to the end yet..... Amost twice as much in half the time. So, where is the outrage now??
Give me a F-16 Fighter Jet that cost 23 million and I'll shut up....
---Elder on 12/11/13


I found this line on a conservative web site:

The world isn't always overwhelmed by the mercy of those who profess to be Christian.

Take it to heart.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/11/13


micha, you can't compare 1968 dollars to 2013 dollars (0r even 72' 74. Etc.)
When factoring inflation, based on your numbers (in millions)


Rep: $ 10,954,087
dem: $ 10,559,145
---NurseRobert on 12/11/13


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"The reason we have a deficit now is because W.Bush had a war, and also reduced taxes on the rich."-Grandma on 12/7/13
Year Debt(mil) increase President
1968 347,578 35,865 Johnson
1972 427,260 79,682 Nixon
1976 620,433 193,173 Nixon/Ford
1980 907,701 287,268 Carter
1984 1,572,266 664,565 Reagan
1988 2,602,338 1,030,072 Reagan
1992 4,064,621 1,462,283 Bush
1996 5,224,811 1,160,190 Clinton
2000 5,674,178 449,367 Clinton
2004 7,379,053 1,704,875
Bush
2008 10,024,725 2,645,672 Bush
2012 16,066,241 6,041,516 Obama
Score:
Democratic: 7,904,206,000,000
minus Obama 1,862,690.000.000
Republican: 7,780,322,000,000
---micha9344 on 12/11/13


"The reason we have a deficit now is because W.Bush had a war, and also reduced taxes on the rich."

Bush not only reduced the taxes on the rich but the poor also... Oh, I forgot the "poor" don't pay taxes. I should have said "everyone" who pays taxes.

We can see that now since Bush is gone the spending and waste is really under control. And we are better off now than then. Co-pays are going out of the roof on health care but at least everyone will have health care now. Utopia is here!! Who cares if Obama has spent more than all the Presidents combined?

So Clinton didnt balance the budget.
The old folks on Social Security did.
---Elder on 12/11/13



Remember, Bush started that war himself - based on accusations (i.e. "Iraq has WMDS") that he personally knew were false, but he pushed them anyway. So if he had a deficit because of that war, it was his own fault.
---StrongAxe on 12/10/13


Wow. I didn't realize this lie was still being circulated! And that some people are still ignorant enough to believe it and repeat it!
---Jed on 12/11/13


Grandma....We are pastors not IRS agents. Our ministry wouldnt last long here if we reported all of them.
---KarenD on 12/11/13


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Grandma:

You said: The reason we have a deficit now is because W.Bush had a war, and also reduced taxes on the rich.

Remember, Bush started that war himself - based on accusations (i.e. "Iraq has WMDS") that he personally knew were false, but he pushed them anyway. So if he had a deficit because of that war, it was his own fault.


Elder:

The social security fund was being borrowed against long before Clinton.


Jed:

Of course, it should not be used for luxuries. But who determines what is a luxury? Telephones used to be luxuries, but now they are necessities. The same with cars, for many people. Also, for many people the internet is also a necessity (e.g. it is in my line of work).
---StrongAxe on 12/10/13


Jed: your comment 'They are already doing everything they can to provide for themselves' is impossible to USE.

What will you do?

Have welfare people follow the person to make sure he is working as hard as he can if he has a job, or is searching as hard as possible for a job if he does not, or is genuinely disabled if he claims to be?

You know this is impossible - you'd need 3 teams to follow each person on welfare - it would cost more than just paying them

Your second point, about using the money only for necessities, is obvious

But from your posts, I feel your views are more ideological.
---Peter on 12/8/13


grandma, it was in our local paper and I had no reason to ask for names. If I had known that I would have reported it.
---shira4368 on 12/8/13


Even most of the ones who aren't committing fraud should not be on welfare. Just because one qualifies for welfare, doesn't mean they SHOULD be on welfare. The only people who should rightly be on welfare meat the following 2 conditions:

1.) They are already doing everything they can to provide for themselves and their family, but still fall short of providing basic necessities.

2.) The assistance is used only to achieve basic necessities. If you are able to buy laptops, flat screen televisions, and pay for cable and internet, then you do not need government assistance. Get rid of those luxuries and buy food.
---Jed on 12/8/13


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KarenD: Why don't you report these couples committing fraud. Call, or visit, your local assistance office, and report them.

It's ridiculous to just come here and complain about the people who cheat, without reporting the cheaters. These cheaters are robbing from the taxpayers, and making it harder for those who legitimately need help to get it.
---Grandma on 12/7/13


I know several women who are living in subsidized housing, getting food stamps, and medicaid while being married to men who work. Some of the men work out of town and come home on weekends. One woman actually said she thought it was alright because they did not live together. I explained about prison for welfare fraud, but it didn't matter. They are saving for a house.
---KarenD on 12/7/13


\\I'm not saying that the number of people on public assistance has risen lately.\\

Make that "...has NOT risen lately."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/7/13


According to the Congressional Budget Office, Clinton had a budget surplus by increasing taxes on the rich, and counting Social Security surpluses. Social Security was not cut during the Clinton administration. Social Security surpluses were counted in the budget surpluses.

Taxes were up, that's why there was a budget surplus. After paying for H.W.Bush's deficits, taxes on the rich were high.

The reason we have a deficit now is because W.Bush had a war, and also reduced taxes on the rich.
---Grandma on 12/7/13


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"There was a balanced budget under Clinton"
Cluny

Com'on Cluny, tell the rest of the story. How did Clinton "balance the budget?"
He robbed Social Security that's how. Now SS is in debt/trouble. Clinton did not cut wasteful spending or slash other foolish things.
He took a program that was in good shape, stole from it and now claims he balaced he budget. Maybe you could get a SS raise if he hadn't wasted your money.
---Elder on 12/6/13


\\cluny, our I said it had jumped 60% since OBAMA has been in office. what has bush got to do with what Obama has done. Our country was ok when bush was in office\\

I'm not saying that the number of people on public assistance has risen lately. I'm just saying you can't blame it on Obama, because the bad economy in the country started under Bush, such as the burst of the housing bubble.

There was a balanced budget under Clinton, and Bush's middle east wars ruined things.

BTW, I didn't vote for Clinton, Bush, or Obama.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/6/13


\\I didn't think it was my business and I had no interest in knowing whatsoever. I was simply pointing out that you can't determine whether $22/month is enough food stamps for one person without first knowing what their income is. Everyone was saying that $22 is way too low for you but none of them knew your income.\\

Let's see you determine it now, Jed. ---Cluny on 12/6/13


I have no desire to determine whether $22 is enough food stamps for you. That's the whole point of my post! I was criticizing people who were doing that. Sheesh you're dense!
---Jed on 12/6/13


cluny, our I said it had jumped 60% since OBAMA has been in office. what has bush got to do with what Obama has done. Our country was ok when bush was in office. put blame where blame goes. Obama wants the poor to have the same thing as rich people. if everyone was given the same money, it would end up with some having lots of money and others very poor.
---shira4368 on 12/6/13


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\\I didn't think it was my business and I had no interest in knowing whatsoever. I was simply pointing out that you can't determine whether $22/month is enough food stamps for one person without first knowing what their income is. Everyone was saying that $22 is way too low for you but none of them knew your income.\\

Let's see you determine it now, Jed.

**I think the corruption is more than you think it is.**

I think it's LESS than you think it is.

** welfare has jumped 60% since Obama has been in office. again, I support helping the poor, not the lazy.**

It's because of Bush's policies this has happened.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/6/13



Jed Said: "Welfare by definition is unearned public assistance. ...The welfare state expands on this concept to include services such as universal healthcare and unemployment insurance."

Wow Jed, you really show no mercy at all for the poor. ---Monk_Brendan on 12/6/13


Someone asked what welfare is and I simply gave the definition. I neither denounced nor supported it. This is the simple definition of welfare. Shame on you for jumping to conclusions!
---Jed on 12/6/13


Jed Said: "Welfare by definition is unearned public assistance. ...The welfare state expands on this concept to include services such as universal healthcare and unemployment insurance."

Wow Jed, you really show no mercy at all for the poor. Don't you know that if someone strikes you on the cheek you should turn and present the other cheek too?

Or that you are supposed to love your enemies, and pray for people that spitefully use you?

Shame on you and all on these blogs who denounce the poor because they have everything "given" to them by the government.
---Monk_Brendan on 12/6/13



If it's any of your business, Jed, I get only $710 a month in disability.
---Cluny on 12/5/13


I didn't think it was my business and I had no interest in knowing whatsoever. I was simply pointing out that you can't determine whether $22/month is enough food stamps for one person without first knowing what their income is. Everyone was saying that $22 is way too low for you but none of them knew your income.
---Jed on 12/6/13


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Jed:

You said: A single person on disability might not need any food stamps at all.

Do YOU know anyone who lives comfortably off disability? I don't. Everyone on disability I know barely makes enough to scrape by.

The welfare state expands on this concept to include services such as universal healthcare and unemployment insurance.

Unemployment insurance is insurance. You pay premiums, and you only collect if you've put money in. It is NOT welfare.

And the U.S. is the only first world country without universal health care.


Grandma:

Republicans think corporations are people. Although, as one person put it, "I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one."
---StrongAxe on 12/6/13


Shira said: " Im not referring to people in need but Im talking about leeches that suck the government dry..."

How many people do you, personally know that leached off of the old Welfare system? I've been around the block a few times, and though I've heard of such people, I never met one. Food Stamps used to be fraught with fraud, but they have cleaned it up. For that matter, how many steaks can you buy in a month when you only get $22.00? I know when I go shopping I buy ground beef, and once in a great while a roast that I can braise. This month for Christmas, we are having beef stew for the main meal of the day, and that only because it is Christmas, and the Advent Fast is over.
---Monk_Brendan on 12/6/13


warwick and peter, of course there are those who will go to extremes to get a little dab of money. I think the corruption is more than you think it is. welfare has jumped 60% since Obama has been in office. again, I support helping the poor, not the lazy.
---shira4368 on 12/6/13


\\Cluny, Are you serious? $22....\\

Yes. There are several people who live in the same apartment house I do--subsidized housing that works like Section 8--who get what I get in SSID and get only $22 a month FS as well.

If it's any of your business, Jed, I get only $710 a month in disability. One of the reasons I'm disabled is I didn't have proper health care when I was younger.

Section 8 is actually a program that started in the Depression, so you can't blame Obama for it.

Despite popular wisdom, people don't get rich and fat on welfare and foodstamps. Those of us who play by the rules (and I know there are those who break them, though I know none of them personally) just barely get by.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/5/13


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shira4368:

Decades ago, telephones were a luxury. If you didn't have one, you could ask a neighbor or use a phone booth. Today, EVERYBODY has a phone. Try getting a job without putting a phone number on your application, so they can call you in when necessary. Social dynamics are very different, so fewer people even know their neighbors, and with cell phones everywhere, pay phones are much more rare (and even rarer are ones that actually work). Today, having a telephone is a necessity - which is why the government has a program to supply them to those who need them.

Also, such phones are bare essentials - limited minutes per month, no "frills" like games or internet. Good for business calls, but not idle chit-chat.
---StrongAxe on 12/5/13



Cluny's $22.00 a month is really insignificant. We can agree Cluny should get more.....

---Peter on 12/5/13


How can you say that? We don't know what Cluny's monthly income is. He could be getting over a thousand a month in disability! In addition to free or subsidized healthcare. A single person on disability might not need any food stamps at all.
---Jed on 12/5/13


Elder: you wrote 'I don't know of anyone who is against those who qualify and deserve food stamps and/or assistance from funded programs.'

The real question is whether people agree with the way the government defines who 'deserves' food stamps, and what value (in dollar value) of food stamps they get.

Cluny's $22.00 a month is really insignificant. We can agree Cluny should get more.....
---Peter on 12/5/13


Shira: 'collecting food stamps and welfare in Georgia and florida....'

There will be people who will try that, I'm sure. That this is evil, yes, but we cannot assume that the government will manage to stop them ALL. If it were to stop them all, it would also stop people who were not trying to trick the government, but who were just having trouble providing the appropriate paperwork.

I know that from where I come from, in Greece - where half the people steal from the government, and the other half cannot even get an ID/drivers license because the DMV requires something ridiculous (like their 1977 IRS tax return to get food stamps this year, or something else ridiculous - not really that, but something equally stupid)
---Peter on 12/5/13


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Grandma: Probably trickle down does not work....

But would really want to pay for a where all the parts and the final assembly was made inn the US? The same for the clothes you wear?

Maybe it would be better, but we would not be able to buy as much
---Peter on 12/5/13


Cluny, Are you serious? $22. food stamps a month is "typical" for a single person on disability?
Maybe in some 3rd world country ,but surely not in America?
It costs that much to feed my dogs (2 yorkies)
We don't have the richest country in the world but disabled people are looked after with respect! Shelter, food, clothing and medical expenses.
Doesn't Arizona look after it's own? If that's your home state!
---1st_cliff on 12/5/13



Though, as I've said elsewhere, any system can be defrauded if someone really is determined to do so, but fraud is the exception, NOT the rule, as you seem to think. ---Cluny on 12/5/13


I sure don't think welfare fraud is common at all. Actually, I'm quite sure welfare fraud is very uncommon, because the federal definition of poverty is so ridiculous that people who are already living very comfortably don't even need to lie in order to get loads of government assistance.

Welfare ABUSE on the other hand accounts for about 90% of recipients. Welfare is supposed to provide a minimal level of well-being and basic necessities, not as a means to achieve income equality.
---Jed on 12/5/13


I personally like the corporate welfare. Example: I know that there are corporations that get tax breaks for outsourcing U.S. jobs.

Corporate welfare is the only kind of welfare that Republicans support. Making sure that all those CEOs make their millions, while their wage gap widens between them, and their employees widens.

If the trickle down theory of economics was going to work, it would have worked during the Reagan administration, which it did not.
---Grandma on 12/5/13


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Apart from welfare , but similar are the food banks where the hungry can pick up donated food. A very charitable cause, but go there during operations and witness the line up .
Common to see smokers texting while waiting in line!
Go figure! Doesn't this prompt you to be generous?
Always the few who spoil it for the needy!
---1st_cliff on 12/5/13


\\I was talking about abuse like a woman was caught the other day for collecting food stamps and welfare in Georgia and florida. I live about 20 miles from the florida line. Im sure there are more just like her.\\

These egregious cases are relatively rare.

Though, as I've said elsewhere, any system can be defrauded if someone really is determined to do so, but fraud is the exception, NOT the rule, as you seem to think.

Don't worry about me. I do just fine. But I'm letting you know how food stamps word with REAL people i/o the exceptional fraud. The friend I mentioned with the poorly working Reaganphone gets a grand total of $11 a month on food stamps.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/5/13


cluny my heart goes out to you. I did say people who really need help is not on the list that I posted. you can't even eat dried beans on 22.00 a month. I pray something will happen that will help you live a better life. I knew you would take what I said personally and I sure didn't mean to leave that impression. I was talking about abuse like a woman was caught the other day for collecting food stamps and welfare in Georgia and florida. I live about 20 miles from the florida line. Im sure there are more just like her.
---shira4368 on 12/5/13


I don't know of anyone who is against those who qualify and deserve food stamps and/or assistance from funded programs.
I/we are against the freeloading crooks that get raises by having another out of wedlock baby by an unknown father.
Cluny if you are on assistance and are paying 30% for your rent then you are getting 70% free or no cost to you.
I personally knew of 3 related families in Gov housing that could have afforded their own place. But, why should they when Gov programs are just open game?
---Elder on 12/5/13


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Shira, did you walk 20 miles in the snow to school? Uphill? Both ways? And are you still complaining about the $400 cell phones and $200 sneakers you can't prove, but were supposed to know what your talking about?
---NurseRobert on 12/5/13


If anyone cares, I get a grand total of $22 a month in food stamps. This is typical for a single person on disability.

How many steaks can you buy with that, shira?

Of course, there's also the food for my furbabies. I feed them Meow Mix Hairball formula, which, of course, is NOT covered by food stamps.

What is a shame is that our men and the women in the armed forces frequently have to get food stamps.

My rent is 30% of my income. I know NOBODY who gets free housing. I really doubt that YOU do, either.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/5/13


jed you said it right. what is sad is to see someone trying to buy dog food, steaks and other expensive grocery. cluny don't tell me I don't know what Im talking about. It was a different time "back in the day" we lived in the mill village and both my parents worked in the cotton mill. I never had a steak until I was 20. we had dry beans (they are good) potatoes, fried chicken every sunday. If my family lived today instead of back in the day, I would know how to eat steak, have 3 dogs, new car, rent pd, new house, what else is there? whewwww, oh I forgot free phone too. Im not referring to people in need but Im talking about leeches that suck the government dry and a president allows it to happen....cont....
---shira4368 on 12/5/13


You are certainly right, Grandma. Cluney, are you trying to start a fight?

Welfare:
a. Health, happiness, and good fortune, well-being.
b. Financial or other aid provided, especially by the government, to people in need.
b. Corporate welfare.

Im sure for this blog, its receiving assistance from the government or private agencies because of need.

Now, if you are listening to bigoted, mean spirited psudo-christians it's unearned public assistance and a redistribution of wealth, And dont forget "Most welfare recipients have at least one iphone..." and heaven forbid, an air conditoned house!



---NurseRobert on 12/5/13


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Welfare by definition is unearned public assistance. The term can refer to any government social program that gives unearned funds to individuals by redistribution of wealth from wage-earners.

Welfare can take a variety of forms, such as cash assistance, food stamps, disability, subsidies and vouchers, or housing assistance. The welfare state expands on this concept to include services such as universal healthcare and unemployment insurance.
---Jed on 12/5/13


One thing I think of is how the "welfare" thing can make a point of giving a needy person only as much as he or she needs, and use only the number of people needed to do a service.

Well . . . that's the idea, anyway.

But God's love is not welfare love. Our Father will have more people than necessary for a certain task . . . so we can share with each other and enjoy one another in our Father's family caring and sharing love. And we may give someone more than needed > for enjoyments > God "gives us richly all things to enjoy," we have in 1 Timothy 6:17 > but also so the needy person can be blessed in giving to others > "It is more blessed to give than to receive." (in Acts 20:35) (c:
---willie_c: on 12/5/13


This should be enlightening.
---Grandma on 12/4/13


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