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Long For Moral Days

I long for the morals of days gone by. Where the media was limited on the filth they could cram down our throats through T.V. Why is it O.K. for the media to use God, Jesus, & Christ as a swear word, but it isn't acceptable to say it in respect, worship or even a greeting(MERRY CHRISTMAS)?

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strongaxe, I understand where you are coming from, but I still insist that everyone knows what is right and what is wrong. No one can excuse the moral things of God. Killing of animals is murdering animals, if you want to use the word killing. but animals are not human beings. To murder of animals comes down to intend of why you kill the animals, that is where the sin lies. But we do not eat human beings. The killing of humans beings is not allowed by God.
A person does not need written letters to know that, it is planted in our hearts by God.
---Mark_V. on 1/1/14


Warwick:


You said: Likewise Scripture does not have to forbid abortion as babies in the womb are shown to be alive therefore killing them is murder

That is a bit simplistic. Cows are unquestionably alive, yet killing them is NOT murder, so "alive" alone is not a sufficient criterion to determine murder. The sperm and ovum are alive before they join (or is something dead capable of self-movement?), yet one doesn't consider it abortion until after they join. Why not, and if so, just where specifically is the line drawn? The Bible doesn't say, and science doesn't either. These are deep, complex questions that can't be answered one-word explanations or simplistic rhetoric.
---StrongAxe on 12/31/13


StrongAxe, we were given intelligence and the Holy Spirit to interpret the principle behind Scripture. For example Scripture does not have to say we should not steal computers as we are told not to steal anything.

Likewise Scripture does not have to forbid abortion as babies in the womb are shown to be alive therefore killing them is murder.

The horror of it all with the womb, that safe place God designed for a child to grow, has become a slaughterhouse. Do you imagine Gods word says "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you,..."1:5 and the child is not human?

---Warwick on 12/31/13


Mark_V.:

I am an iconclast - I find false idols and smash them. When people have beliefs they wrongly believe are based on the Bible, I show them that they aren't. Not that the beliefs are necessarily wrong, but the belief that they are biblically based IS wrong, and they need to realize that they need some other foundation for those beliefs.

Often, people whose beliefs are founded ONLY on the Bible may believe something ONLY because the Bible says it's wrong - they believe it in their heads, and can easily be persuaded differently if the Bible can be interpreted differently. This kind of belief is easily swayed by legal loopholes. (Judaism has much of this, like "korban" which Jesus denounced).
---StrongAxe on 12/31/13


//---Reba on 12/5/13//

Understood.

God Bless Reba.

Shalom
---char on 12/31/13




strongaxe, I am happy you don't believe it is ok to suck the brains out of the babies. Let me explain something, not everything God wants us to do is in the Bible. Every human being knows the things of God, what is right and what is wrong, even the atheist. Because what may be known of God is manifested in them, for God has shown it to them, they are without excuse. That is why the wrath of God is upon them. It was revealed to them, all ungodliness and unrighteousness, yet they suppress the Truth.
The slaughter of innocent babies is so wrong. So very wrong, no one should make any excuses for that. People make excuses for all of their sins.
---Mark_V. on 12/30/13


reba, what really gets me is the atheist will go to extremes to get the crosses removed from anywhere. they want prayer out of the public places. they want Christ out of merry Christmas. maybe they could change it to merry mass. atheist are "in your face" but you know what "I will get in their face". Ive been quiet long enough. they don't have to look at any cross and they don't have to say merry Christmas and they don't have to pray but as long as Im alive, I will pray anywhere I please, I will have a cross in my yard and I will continue to say merry Christmas. before my husband died, he put a cross in lights on our front porch. we loved it.
---shira4368 on 12/30/13


Mark_V.:

No, I don't. But this isn't about what I belive is right. That's irrelevant, nobody here should believe something just because I do. It IS about what the Bible says is right or wrong. Hopefully people here should believe things because the Bible says them. There are also many things we all believe are wrong that the Bible doesn't mention. Our criteria for what is wrong is not only what the Bible says (if it were, we must abandon electricity and internet because these are not mentioned), but also our God-given common sense.

My point is that one can't use the argument "The Bible says it's wrong" to prove something is wrong when the Bible doesn't actually say so. You need to use some other reasoning. That's all.
---StrongAxe on 12/29/13


Strongaxe, you are again trying to find excuses for what you know already is very wrong. You could not possible believe it is ok to pull the baby half way out, not totally, open up his skull, and suck the brains out with a vacuum do you? For the love of God, please answer no.
---Mark_V. on 12/28/13


Jed:

Very right! I quote this often. While "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus" (Romans 8:1), the danger lies in those who think they are in Christ Jesus but are not, and based on Matthew 25, there will be a significant number of those. (These are also referred to in the parable of the wheat and the tares).


Marc, Mark_v., Jed:

I never said "if the Bible doesn't say so, its OK". I implied one cannot derive DOGMA (i.e. "God says xyz") when God never actually says that. Butchering puppies is wrong too, but the Bible never says so.

Please explain why the penalty for miscarriage is less than manslaughter, if unborn are treated the same as born.
---StrongAxe on 12/25/13




shira brought up an interesting point.

"Brain dead" and "persistent vegetative state" are NOT the same things, though they are frequently confused in ordinary speech and on TV shows, I've noticed.

When true BD happens, somatic death is in a matter of hours.

But with a PVS, nobody knows when or if the patient will recover or become conscious.

Christmas Eve gift!
---Cluny on 12/24/13


I was born in 1952. I grew up in a part of town that I found out latter other people were warned not to go there.

I heard swear words constantly and many quite vulgar. But when I read that people used the name of JESUS as a swear word I was very surprised. I read it in a book about people up North. I grew up in Houston, Texas.

I never heard the name JESUS used as a swear word until in the 70's and then only in movies.

Every now and then I hear it. But even today it is very rare.
---Samuelbb7 on 12/24/13


marc, brain dead and irrational behavior have nothing to do with each other. how can the dead be irrational?? a lady who goes to our church had pneumonia and they put her a vent. dr said she was brain dead so her loved ones unplugged the vent and guess what? she started breathing and her brain is fine. she is talking to her family like nothing happened. that is a big amen isn't it?
---shira4368 on 12/24/13


\\I know you said that the language you grew up with was bad, but bad language, especially using God, Christ & Jesus as swear words were not as open & bold as it is today.\\

I was born in 1950. Of course, back then, there was a big difference between what one said in public and what one said in private or among intimates.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/24/13


Shira, thank you, AT LAST, someone who understands what I'm talking about! :-D

Cluny, I'm saying, I wish that real life in the 21st. century was respectful & peaceful LIKE IT SHOWS on the OLD T.V. shows. I know you said that the language you grew up with was bad, but bad language, especially using God, Christ & Jesus as swear words were not as open & bold as it is today. I'm sure there was disrespectful people who did it then like now, but it wasn't heard as much. Growing up (I was born in 62),I don't remember EVER hearing God, Jesus or Christ being used except in prayer or respect.
---Reba on 12/23/13


StrongAxe,

The Bible nowhere explicitly states it's wrong to kill brain-dead, irrational beings who nonetheless assume that they themselves are human. So, in that case it's morally OK if we kill you?
---Marc on 12/23/13


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Strongaxe, I really do not understand why you would try to find excuses for those who suck the brains out of babies. Do you really want to tell us it is ok with God for babies to have the brains sucked out with a vacuum?
---Mark_V. on 12/23/13


reba, I agree with you. moral decay is rampant in the whole world. I was a teen in the 50's and I had never heard of drugs and didn't believe anyone could commit adultery and never heard a curse word and never smelled alcohol. wow, when I got married, I got an education of how people really are. the only thing I can say is it was a safer time. no such thing as terriorist and it was a time of loyalty to our country. I do long for times like that but I can say it won't happen. it is a time to remember.
---shira4368 on 12/23/13


Reba, are you saying that you miss the TV shows and movies of the 1950's?

Or are you saying you wish that real life in the 21st century was like 50's TV shows?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/22/13



on cannot read between the lines ---StrongAxe on 12/21/13


Excellent sentence! You have read between the lines and assumed that the sixth commandment excludes unborn babies! Since the bible does not say the 6th commandment excludes the unborn, we must assume it includes ALL murders.
---Jed on 12/22/13


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In Matthew ch. 45 Jesus talks of people doing good for others to "the least of these." Do you imagine the defenceless child growing in the womb is not "the least of these." Can you imagine that our loving Creator is not concerned with the welfare of all humans whether born or not?

Are the unborn human? Yes. "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you, I appointed you a prophet to the nations" Jeremiah 1:5

"And when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the baby leaped in her womb...." Luke 1:41. The baby in the womb is a child.

It doesn't have to be spelled out for the reality to be known.
---Warwick on 12/21/13


Cluny:

You said: Next, don't forget that Christ made many of the Mosaic commandments STRICTER, such as His forbidding of remarriage after divorce.

While that may be true, one cannot read between the lines and, from this, infer that ALL commandments must therefore be stricter. Remember that many commandments from Mosaic law (such as laws respecting diet, fabrics, etc.) are no longer binding in Christians, so they are LESS restrictive.

Also, in case of accidental manslaughter, a relative could seek blood vengeance, something not mentioned with regard to accidental miscarriage.
---StrongAxe on 12/21/13


Reba, that answer is simple, the liberals our rank the genuine Christians. The liberals speak for the world and the world loves all the lust, violence so they feed the people what they love, because it sells. The same holds true with drugs, they provide what many love. In return they make a lot of money on the things the world loves.
The liberals are not under any obligation to God, they fight for the rights of the world.
---Mark_V. on 12/21/13


\\That would depend on whether or not "prenatal infanticide" was consider "murder" according to Moses.\\

First off, what Moses actually said was related to the commandments for accidental homicide, not deliberate murder.

Next, don't forget that Christ made many of the Mosaic commandments STRICTER, such as His forbidding of remarriage after divorce.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/20/13


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That would depend on whether or not "prenatal infanticide" was consider "murder" according to Moses. While many assume this is so, it IS an assumption, since the Bible nowhere explicitly says so.
---StrongAxe on 12/20/13


The Bible also never says that putting a bullet in your wife's head is murder, or that slicing your neighbor's head off with an ax is murder. The Bible isn't a dictionary, it doesn't have to explain what murder is because that's a word that everyone should know the meaning of. Murder is the unjust killing of a human being. Jabbing a needle into the back of an innocent baby's skull and sucking it's brain out with a vacuum is clearly murder.
---Jed on 12/20/13


Cluny:

That would depend on whether or not "prenatal infanticide" was consider "murder" according to Moses. While many assume this is so, it IS an assumption, since the Bible nowhere explicitly says so.

In fact, there is some evidence to the contrary. Murder carries the death penalty, yet if two men are brawling, and one's pregnant wife intervenes, gets hit, and miscarries, it's just a civil penalty unless the woman is herself killed. (Exodus 21:22-23)
---StrongAxe on 12/20/13


\\I'd like for things to be better/I wish things were different\\

Well, I wish some things were better and different, too.

\\ The main focus of this blog was to be on how bad the language has gotten & accepted as normal. \\

Shakespeare's plays used language that was considered coarse for his time.

When I was growing up, some people complained about the filthy language of CATCHER IN THE RYE, but it was no worse than what I heard from my peers--or for that matter, my own mother and Baptist church-going grandmother.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/20/13


Yes Cluny, However, There's more than one. I clicked on the one titled, "....60's era" & did a speed read through it. Enough to know that you're missing the whole point & reason behind this blog. I see your point. Every one that reads/watches T.V./listens to radio, etc. is aware of the struggles & moral issue we face. I can't seem to get you to understand the point I'm trying to make by saying I'd like for things to be better/I wish things were different. The main focus of this blog was to be on how bad the language has gotten & accepted as normal. Now it has gotten off that onto other things. So lets just leave things as they are on this subject. It's gotten a bit confusing some how... :-/
---Reba on 12/20/13


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Jed:

In another blog, you enumerated various rights that have been curtailed. Remember that, according to the Constitution, the Supreme Court is the ultimate authority for dealing with disputes - so if the Supreme Court says the Constitution means this and not that, according to the same Constitution, you must accept that as so, whether you interpret it the same way or not.

And the administration is bound by such interpretations, so it can't be a dictatorship (especially since you have the right to vote it out of office).
---StrongAxe on 12/20/13


NurseRobert, some people here make claims about what a person has or has not said but when challenged can give no examples. Are you one of these?

Regarding Jed you wrote "I see him as an angry old man with little, if any, compassion." Can you quote from what he has written to give you this impression?
---Warwick on 12/20/13


\\ I also know there are those who have to make that choice as the only option.\\

If you accept the commandment that says, "Do no murder," as an absolute, then where did you get the idea that prenatal infanticide was an option?

Reba, did you read the article I mentioned?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/20/13


I DID answer that question on 12/16, ---Jed on 12/18/13

No, Jed, you didn't. You gave a typical non-answer. You responded with some vague statement about guns being taken away and a student not being able to pray at a school function.

What rights of YOURS have been taken away?
---NurseRobert on 12/18/13


Excuse me, NurseRoberts, but the right to bear arms, free speech, and free excercise of religion, are MY rights.
---Jed on 12/20/13


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Warwick, then you see more in him than I do. I see him as an angry old man with little, if any, compassion. Maybe in real life he is different, but it does not come across here.

I believe that people have to make choices in their life, and some are very hard. I have no doubt there are people who use abortion for convenience. I also know there are those who have to make that choice as the only option. I would hope that you and yours would never be put into a situation where they have to make those though choices.

If it ever happens, I want you to be able to make the choice and not be forced to do otherwise.
---NurseRobert on 12/20/13


NurseRobert, I have found Jed to be honest and from what I can remember definitely a Biblical Christian, as opposed to a nominal one.

However for a number of reasons I cannot pay you a similar compliment. Anyone who believes people have the right to kill their defenceless unborn children cannot truly be a follower of Christ as their Lord and Saviour.
---Warwick on 12/20/13


Cluny, I'm used to not being "agreed" with, & that's O.k. :-) When I mentioned those show titles, I was referring to the times & feel that those movie setting showed/played out, Not the actual times. I'm aware that America, like the whole world, has never been as good as shows- "show", that's why I said "I long for the morals of days gone by"(DAY'S IN THE MOVIE, not necessarily the actual/fictional date). Even though things were awful, Government, media, etc. were a bit more shy about showing the public how liberal they were for fear of losing votes. The old black & white shows didn't have the horrible disrespect for God/swaring that the movies today have. That's the point I was trying to make.
---Reba on 12/20/13


Reba, not everyone agrees with you on the high moral tone of American TV and movies of the 50's.

You might want to look up this article:

How Hollywood Prepared for the 60s

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/19/13


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\\"You were asked a direct question about which of YOUR personal rights guaranteed under the first 10 amendments had been either revoked or infringed, and you never answered that question."\\

Dear Pinocchio,

Where did I say that on THIS thread, as you are accusing me?

Glory to Jesus Christ!

---Cluny on 12/18/13


Scroll down, genius!
---Jed on 12/19/13


I DID answer that question on 12/16, ---Jed on 12/18/13

No, Jed, you didn't. You gave a typical non-answer. You responded with some vague statement about guns being taken away and a student not being able to pray at a school function.

What rights of YOURS have been taken away?
---NurseRobert on 12/18/13


\\"You were asked a direct question about which of YOUR personal rights guaranteed under the first 10 amendments had been either revoked or infringed, and you never answered that question."\\

Dear Pinocchio,

Where did I say that on THIS thread, as you are accusing me?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/18/13



\\That question was asked on another thread. AND I ANSWERED IT ON THAT THREAD! You really need to get that lying thing under control, Cluny!
---Jed on 12/17/13\\

But I never said I asked it on this thread, so who is the liar, Jed?

Glory to Jesus Christ!

---Cluny on 12/18/13


You are the liar. You lied when you said this:
"You were asked a direct question about which of YOUR personal rights guaranteed under the first 10 amendments had been either revoked or infringed, and you never answered that question."
---Cluny on 12/17/13


I DID answer that question on 12/16, the very same day the question was posted, and more than a full day before you posted this lie about me!
---Jed on 12/18/13


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Shira, I am pleased that some Christians opposed O'Hair. However where were the Christian leaders? What is the saying-all it takes for evil to prosper if for good men to do nothing.

Merry Christmas.
---Warwick on 12/18/13


warwick, I think some churches tried to oppose her but weren't given a place such as the talk shows she was on. jerry falwell did go on a couple of talk shows including larry king and he was interrupted every time he tried to say anything. I will never forget how she cursed God. are you surprised that she was murdered? my church at the time had a very outspoken ( sort of like me) pastor and he got on the roof of our church and preached against O'Hare. people stopped and got out of their cars to hear what a crazy man on the roof of a church was doing. people heard the sermon and didn't even go inside the church. same preacher had a bus converted to a small church. they would go everywhere and invite anyone in for church.
---shira4368 on 12/18/13


\\That question was asked on another thread. AND I ANSWERED IT ON THAT THREAD! You really need to get that lying thing under control, Cluny!
---Jed on 12/17/13\\

But I never said I asked it on this thread, so who is the liar, Jed?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/18/13


Interestingly prayer was taken out of US schools because of the campaigning of Madalyn Murray O'Hair an evil vitriolic God hater. From what I have read the church/es of the US did not even try to oppose her!

O'Hair was murdered, by her own associates in the 1990's I believe.

Ironically her son William became a Christian and is very concerned about the part he played in the removal of prayers.

Why should there not be Christian prayers in a country with Christian roots. Do we imagine there are non Islamic prayers in Saudi Arabian schools?
---Warwick on 12/17/13


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Hello,Bro.Cluny, with all respect, I get your point, just know that my sentiment.You correct,doubt any change soon. our Pastor sent me to go on the school yard early mornings do prayer with the kids.

church Sunday,Pastor said "we are NO longer allow christian prayers on school property!"
I couldn't believe it!"

If we heed not we're in big trouble.those kids, most join gangs, one in a wheel chair for life, got shot! rival gangs stuff.
One, they tell me NOW a Pastor they in Chicago.

he only one in the family a christian. he was the worst kid they had!

God can do Miracles! Like Nobody else can! Thankyou! Jesus! His love, His power!
---Lidia4796 on 12/17/13



You were asked a direct question about which of YOUR personal rights guaranteed under the first 10 amendments had been either revoked or infringed, and you never answered that question.

THIS is what I'm talking about.
---Cluny on 12/17/13


That question was asked on another thread. AND I ANSWERED IT ON THAT THREAD! You really need to get that lying thing under control, Cluny!
---Jed on 12/17/13


\\And no, I don't think you understand English because when you're asked a direct question to prove a statement you've made, you simply ignore it. ---Cluny on 12/16/13

I never made the statement you said I did. \\

You were asked a direct question about which of YOUR personal rights guaranteed under the first 10 amendments had been either revoked or infringed, and you never answered that question.

THIS is what I'm talking about.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/17/13


\\ I believe ever since America took Prayer OUT of the public schools, it gone down hill ...
---Lidia4796 on 12/17/13\\

Lidia, how would you feel about Hindu, Buddhist, Wiccan, or mahometan prayers being used in public schools?

That is the present reality. There is no guarantee that the public school prayers today would be Christian ones.

I myself would not want my own children to be exposed to heathen spirituality and required by the school to attend such devotions.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/17/13


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lidia, you are absolutely right and one woman did it. it worked because she had a foul nasty and people watched her because of that. well, guess where she is now? her and her grand daughter disappeared and later found out she was murdered. she is in hell forever more. during that time jerry falwell was on larry king and larry king wouldn't let him say a word. everytime falwell would start to say anything, larry king interrupted him over and over.
---shira4368 on 12/17/13


Hello, all respect to my sister Shira4368, this country and many others Disrespect to Sovereign Holy God! You CAN'T find hardly nothing decent like Sis.Reba says the media uses God,Jesus,Christ more like "curse words" bad language is the norm.. I believe ever since America took Prayer OUT of the public schools, it gone down hill ...
---Lidia4796 on 12/17/13



I don't think it's less sin, but simply more visible.


And that's where you are simply incorrect.

And no, I don't think you understand English because when you're asked a direct question to prove a statement you've made, you simply ignore it. ---Cluny on 12/16/13

I never made the statement you said I did. No need to prove the statement, because I never said it. You are making up stuff. That's called lying. Something you really have a bad habit of doing.
---Jed on 12/17/13


Jed, your words make your point of view clear "I am saying this it was a far MORE morally society, not that it was a perfectly moral society." I fully agree that less sin is an improvement on more sin.

There is a common tactic on this site which is called the straw man tactic. In this someone misrepresents what you have written then bases an argument on this falsehood. It is a base debating tactic used by those who have no interest in truth.

It is so very ironic to see Cluny complaining that someone does not answer questions!
---Warwick on 12/16/13


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\\Wow! And you say that I don't understand English. In no way, shape, or form did I ever suggest that! I am saying that less sin is better than more sin.\\

I don't think it's less sin, but simply more visible.

And no, I don't think you understand English because when you're asked a direct question to prove a statement you've made, you simply ignore it.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/16/13


"Promoting immoral acts is an immoral act in itself."-Jed on 12/15/13
Romans 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
---micha9344 on 12/16/13



\\I am saying this it was a far MORE morally society, not that it was a perfectly moral society\\

Are you saying that immorality is tolerable as long as its hidden behind closed doors?

Glory to Jesus Christ!

---Cluny on 12/16/13


Wow! And you say that I don't understand English. In no way, shape, or form did I ever suggest that! I am saying that less sin is better than more sin.
---Jed on 12/16/13


\\I am saying this it was a far MORE morally society, not that it was a perfectly moral society\\

Are you saying that immorality is tolerable as long as its hidden behind closed doors?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/16/13


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America has turned her eyes toward Sodom.
---shira4368 on 12/15/13


StrongAxe, no one is claiming that it was a perfect society, or that immorality didn't exist. I am saying this it was a far MORE morally society, not that it was a perfectly moral society. While public decency doesn't necessarily make someone a moral person, public indecency DOES make them an immoral person. When you get to the point in society where immorality isn't even frowned upon, but is actually encouraged, you can be certain that morality isn't being practiced behind closed doors. Promoting immoral acts is an immoral act in itself.
---Jed on 12/15/13


Jed:

It isn't that such things were unknown in the '50s - just that they were more circumspect, since society expected one to project a Victorian-like vineer of "decency" to make everything seem decent. Note the word "seem".

The main difference is that now people are less worried about appearances.

I do agree that some things were nicer (like no need for door locks), but it was by no means a perfect society.
---StrongAxe on 12/14/13


How many homo-erotic bars were there in the 50s? How many songs were there that described perverted acts in explicit detail like todays rap songs do? How many songs even contained curse words? How often did you see music performers simulating sexual acts on stage, as we recently saw with Miley Cyrus? How often did female singers perform on television and live concerts in tiny lingerie or G-sting bikinis? Yep, no difference between then and now at all!
---Jed on 12/14/13


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\\Once cars had neither door locks, or ignition keys\\

That's right. You had to get out and crank them.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/13/13


Beyond the appearance of increasing immorality, which abounds, there is the reality of increasing crime, especially theft and violence.

Once cars had neither door locks, or ignition keys. Then the time came when both were necessary to avoid theft. Now cars come ex-factory with burglar alarms, electronic disablers and dead-locked doors, of necessity. This is reality.

Since the fall there has never been a perfect time but the crimes which follow a society turning away from God are on the increase. For example I have noted how TV and movies increasingly revile Christians and Christianity in movies and on TV-worse than only 10 years ago. It is only government regulation which holds it back.
---Warwick on 12/13/13


\\Take a look at the inner-city filth seen today, and tell me there wasn't more morality in the '50s. \\

Visible respectability--"a form of godliness," as the Apostle called it--might have been the rule during the '50's, but there was plenty of immorality behind closed doors, as Kinsey and others reported.

There's a big difference between true morality and outward niceness. Too bad you can't tell the difference.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/12/13


This seems, alas, to be the story of the '50's.

Glory to Jesus Christ!

---Cluny on 12/8/13

While such cases certainly existed, to say that it is typical of the '50s era is simply incorrect. This is the sort of history revision that is perpetuated by the liberal anti-morality crowd. Take a look at the inner-city filth seen today, and tell me there wasn't more morality in the '50s. Take a stroll in downtown Columbus Ohio at any given time of the day or night and you will witness body parts, language, and acts no one would have ever dreamed of seeing in public in the '50s.
---Jed on 12/11/13


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Reba, look at Monk Brendan's comment on the blog WHY BE MORAL. He pointed out that while the OZZIE AND HARRIET TV show portrayed a beautiful harmonious family on screen, he abused his own sons in real life off screen.

This seems, alas, to be the story of the '50's.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/8/13


\\ All I'm saying is I wish people had more respect for God & Country. \\

That's a reasonable request.

But thinking that TV shows accurately reflected American society is an error.

FWIW, American soap operas and reality shows (like Maury and Springer) are shown overseas, and people there are surprised to hear that there are marriages that last in the USA.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/6/13


I think it's sad, (especially on a Christian site), that any simple comment, wish or thought can cause such negative, responses. All I'm saying is I wish people had more respect for God & Country. Yes, I'm aware that those shows are fiction, & no, I'm not wishing away modern technology....I've explained my meaning, if you want to continue reading your own thoughts into, that's your privilege.
---Reba on 12/6/13


Reba Said: " I love watching the old vintage movies when ...like it was back in the Little House, Walton's, & Leave it to Beaver times."

Oh, and do you also wish for the medical technology of Little House, Walton's and Leave it to Beaver?

Or for that matter, any technology limited to those times, when there was no internet, no 911 service, and in the case of Little House, no phone, no electricity, no running water.

And the morals that they show are not the true picture of those days. They cleaned those things up quite a bit. Father knows best and Leave it to Beaver were written for their times, when TV was heavily regulated, and the bathroom never had a toilet (If indeed the bathroom was even shown).
---Monk_Brendan on 12/6/13


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\\I'm talking about the picture those movies paint as a way to live.
---Reba on 12/5/13\\

That's why it's called FICTION.

Almost no one actually lived that way, even in the 50's, Reba.

That's why the 60's and 70's happened.

Remember the old rhyme: "Things are seldom what they seem/skim milk masquerades as cream...."

As I recall, nobody ever went to church on Beaver, Father Knows Best, or I Love Lucy. Even the NEW Leave it to Beaver, Jerry Mathers played a divorced man.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/5/13


Cluny, I'm talking about how those movies show the "FAMILY" how they show community spirit & respect for God & Country. How the family came together, discussed their struggles, ate supper together. how children respected & honored the elderly. An overall since of pride for others that I feel is lacking today. I'm not talking about going back literally. I'm talking about the picture those movies paint as a way to live.
---Reba on 12/5/13


Reba, I understand completely. What blows my mind is how there is a warning at the beginning of good, clean shows like Swamp People and Alaskan Frontier that reads "Warning: This program contains hunting scenes which may be disturbing or offensive" (even though no killing is actually shown), but there is no warning at the beginning of shows like Modern Family and The Secret Life of the American Teenager which contain vulgar language, lifestyles, and themes that are both disturbing and offensive! I mean, seriously? In what world is hunting offensive? And where 10 LGBTs shacking up together and fornicating all with each other at the same time normal?
---Jed on 12/5/13


Reba:

I grew up with the '60s "Leave it to Beaver" view of reality. The reason media was so nice then was the FCC forced them to show a white-washed world with all ugliness erased. Married couples even always had separate twin beds! It isn't so much that the world has gotten so much uglier. Ugliness has always been there. It's just that now the media has the freedom to talk about it, so we're all more aware of it.

Compare Victorian morality. The Victorian era was not about being proper, rather APPEARING proper, e.g. men had mistresses - adultery was only condemned if it wasn't discreet.

If one's view of the world pretends that evil isn't there, it makes it much harder to deal with than if one acknowledges it.
---StrongAxe on 12/5/13


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\\I wish our families & Country was like it was back in the Little House, Walton's, & Leave it to Beaver times.\\

Back when women knew their places and blacks and other minorities were invisible?

I guess you want us to back into the white--make that right direction.

In case you've never seen the movie PLEASANTVILLE, it is about all the ugliness that was simmering under the surface of the wonderful Godly 50's.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/5/13


I love watching the old vintage movies when the media was limited in what they could say & do on T.V./movies. I wish our families & Country was like it was back in the Little House, Walton's, & Leave it to Beaver times. My prayer is that we can get Godly leaders in the Whitehouse to lead our Nation in a way that God can continue to bless us & keep safe from our enemies.
---Reba on 12/5/13


The language I hear on TV today is no worse than that of my church going grandmother and mother when I was growing up, and I am now in my 60's.

This is actually no worse than that commonly used in Shakespeare's day.

Taboos and social conventions are not the same as morals.

No one is forcing things down your throat, Reba. If you don't like what's on TV, don't watch it.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/5/13


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