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Is Pope Francis Popular

I've been fascinated by all the news coverage Pope Francis has gotten lately. It seems that he is the first church leader who actually teaches what Christ lived. Why is he unpopular with the Conservatives in the U.S.?

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Lawrence, some of the early popes were married.
---love.jesus on 8/1/14


love Jesus, sorry wrong. Luke 4 vs 38 39. Simon Peter, Apostle Peter had a mother in law. The popes are not to be married.
The orthodox trinity doctrines commandments of men Are made set to what they want to believe. Under the influence of 2nd Cor. 11 v 14.

God has Nothing to do with it.
---Lawrence on 8/1/14


Love Jesus, where do you get the idea paul was first pope? Paul was a born again believer and from the time he was saved, he preached Jesus, wrote churches letters correcting them. He cleaned up several churches. Wouldn't that be great if he were here today? Paul died serving The Lord.
---shira4368 on 8/1/14


Lawrence, the Apostle Peter was the first pope, so I guess he was a true believer. He didn't believe that Jesus was God or any of that nonsense that you don't believe in.
---love.jesus on 7/31/14


\\Were the frst popes and some peoples True believers of Acts 2 v 38 Church of The Living God, I don't know.\\

I'll tell you so you WILL know.

They were up until Leo IX.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/31/14




Likewise cluny n you seem to be the biggest spouter offer on here.
This for sure what you say Don't hurt affend me. Since your orthodoxy trinity ideology theology commandments n doctrines of men, trying to prove that which is Not.
---Lawrence on 8/1/14


Love Jesus
Were the frst popes and some peoples True believers of Acts 2 v 38 Church of The Living God, I don't know. If they were, n then went by the way of orthodoxy ideology theology trinity commandments doctrines of men, then they Did commit apostasy.
---Lawrence on 7/31/14


Lawrence:

You said: Cluny I just read The Bible. I don't read other literature.

Why not? Paul himself was quite learned about non-Biblical literature. He quoted pagan writers several times in the Bible itself.
---StrongAxe on 7/31/14


\\ Cluny I just read The Bible. I don't read other literature.

I do Not get into n read corrupt trinity orthodoxy, ideology, theology, philosophy literature, Trying\\

In other words, you just spout off about things you know nothing about.

And you simply expect us to take your word for it.
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/31/14


Lawrence, then the Popes, by your definition, did not commit apostasy, because you believe they were never true believers to begin with.
---love.jesus on 7/31/14




Cluny I just read The Bible. I don't read other literature.

I do Not get into n read corrupt trinity orthodoxy, ideology, theology, philosophy literature, Trying to say n prove they are right. Now you might for knowledge you have. A lot of others have. They Are pinpointed here, 2nd. Tim.3 v 7. I can sure tell in how they talk.
---Lawrence on 7/31/14


\\Even where cluny's statements come from. Seems to be a know it all.
\\

Let's see.

You make statements that you cannot support, but I'm a know it all.

Do I understand you properly, Lawrence?

Glory to Jesus Christ!!
---Cluny on 7/30/14


mike:

You said: will you entrust your own soul to a man who denied christ 3 times. in acts paul rebuked peter.

Yet, despite this, Peter was the one with whom Jesus entrusted the greatest responsibility. He was the recipient of the "Do you love me? Feed my sheep" speech - not anyone else.
---StrongAxe on 7/29/14


love Jesus
It was the wrong word to be used. Apostle Paul said, Demas hath forsaken, he left Paul, went back his sinful nature ( apostasy ). Like a pig back to mud wallowing.
---Lawrence on 7/29/14


Lawrence, do you know what apostasy means?
---love.jesus on 7/28/14


love Jesus
In other words, Acts 2 v 38 Is Truth of God.

( Orthodox ideology, theology, philosophy trinity ) Is Lies from 2nd. Cor 11 v 14. Even where cluny's statements come from. Seems to be a know it all.

Glory To & In Jesus name.
---Lawrence on 7/28/14


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Lawrence, apostasy from what?
---love.jesus on 7/28/14


\\clun
No pope name needed. Still Apostasy no matter the name.
---Lawrence on 7/28/14
\\

In other words, you cannot give evidence to support what you're saying. You simply make unfounded statements.

I thought so.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/28/14


clun
No pope name needed. Still Apostasy no matter the name.
---Lawrence on 7/28/14


I like Pope Francis a lot myself.
---love.jesus on 7/28/14


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Lawrence, I noticed you've not giving the name of the "first trinity pope".

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/28/14


strong axe
From the 1st pope even now they are popular because of doctrines & commandments of men They Created.
God has Nothing to do with it.
---Lawrence on 7/28/14


No argument with that, Lawrence.
---love.jesus on 7/28/14


lawrence

peter is NOT the 1st pope. will you entrust your own soul to a man who denied christ 3 times. in acts paul rebuked peter.
---mike on 7/28/14


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Love Jesus
I Thank God ther's No theology, ideology, philosophy with Acts 2 v 38. Jesus Gave the directive Matt. 16 v 18 to Peter & was Fulfilled on the day of Pentecost.
---Lawrence on 7/28/14


Lawrence, all theology is manmade, whether of Roman Catholics or of Jehovah's Witnesses. Be happy, enjoy your life. It makes things much easier.
---love.jesus on 7/26/14


\\From the first trinity pope even now.\\

And just who was this "first trinity pope", Lawrence?

Can you give his name and date?

When did he first teach it? Can you refer us to any document he issued to prove what you're saying?

How did he spread the teaching?

Don't forget that "pope" means "Bishop of Rome," not "Emperor."

I shall await your reply with interest.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---C on 7/26/14


Lawrence:

You said: From the first trinity pope even now. Popular by doctrines commandments of men orthodoxy. Manmade theology and ideology etc to try to make it real. Which Is actually truly really Not of God.

There was not a single complete coherent sentence here, so I'm confused at what you are trying to say. Could you pleaase try to rephrase this in more coherent English?


Ex-Catholic:

You said: Jed: ... I've been attending fundamental churches for 33 years, and have never met a man like you. Wow.

Then you haven't been on this site long. There are many Olympic-grade athletes here, capable of leaping to conclusions in a single bound.
---StrongAxe on 7/26/14


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Lawrence said: "From the first trinity pope even now. Popular by doctrines commandments of men orthodoxy. Manmade theology and ideology etc to try to make it real. Which Is actually truly really Not of God."

Huh?? That makes no sense--and I mean none at all. Are you trying to say that the Catholic Church is Orthodox? Or is it a man made religion. If it is man made, would it have survived for 2000+ years? If it is from God, why do you question it?

Pray for me!
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 7/26/14


From the first trinity pope even now. Popular by doctrines commandments of men orthodoxy. Manmade theology and ideology etc to try to make it real. Which Is actually truly really Not of God.
---Lawrence on 7/26/14


Jed said: Having a secondary residence is a great way for Catholic priests to practice their abuse of little boys.

Jed, you have a filthy mind. I do not, and will not run to the defense of any priest found guilty of pedophilia. But many priests had their lives ruined merely on the accusation of being a pedophile. And pedophilia happens more often among evangelical churches than Catholic anyway.

In my younger days, I attended an AofG church, and in the four years I was there, there were two scandals with ministers and kids.
---Monk_Brendan on 12/18/13


Somewhere in my omnivorous grazing on the web, I picked up the following factoids:

1. Evangelii gaudium (Joy of the Gospel) was originally drafted in Spanish and then translated into Latin and published in that language. The Latin (not Spanish) was translated into English.

2. Francis's criticism of "trickle down economics", which many conservatives themselves slam, does not appear in the Spanish draft or official Latin version, but rather "overflow economics."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/17/13


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Having a secondary residence is a great way for Catholic priests to practice their abuse of little boys.
---Jed on 12/17/13


\\None lived in their own residence.
---Ex-Catholic on 12/12/13\\

I know several Catholic priests who are married and live with their families in their own personal residences.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/13/13


I happen to like Pope Francis. He is a breath of fresh air. His acts speak louder than his words, because he is driving a used Renault rather than a Pope-Mobile, paying his rent in a hotel instead of living in luxury in the Papal Apartments, and at night, he sneaks out dresses like a priest instead of Bishop of Rome, and ministers to the poor.

That, more than anything else, tells me he is a man with the Heart and Mind of Christ.
---Monk_Brendan on 12/12/13


Cluny: My mistake. I was referring to the residence he used while serving his duties. I shouldn't have used the word "personal." But, having grown up in the Roman Catholic Church, all of the priests, bishops, and cardinals I knew of lived in homes provided by the diocese. None lived in their own residence.
---Ex-Catholic on 12/12/13


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\\Cluny: I never said it was his personal residence. I'm certain the article said it happened in Italy.\\

It was in Germany, and yes, you DID say it was his personal residence. Here are your words:

**It seems he removed an Italian cardinal who spent lavish amounts of church money on his PERSONAL RESIDENCE, when he was supposed to be leading what we call here, a diocese.**

Emphasis added.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/12/13


Jed: I watch all types of media. Why do you keep jumping to conclusions?

Cluny: I never said it was his personal residence. I'm certain the article said it happened in Italy.
---Ex-Catholic on 12/12/13


\\It seems he removed an Italian cardinal who spent lavish amounts of church money on his personal residence, when he was supposed to be leading what we call here, a diocese.\\

Ex-catholic, it was not an Italian cardinal, but a German bishop.

It was not his personal residence, but the bishop's residence that was being remodelled. As it is an old historic building, these projects usually cost more than simply building from scratch.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/11/13



Willie: From what I've seen, the Liberal media likes Pope Francis. It seems he removed an Italian cardinal who spent lavish amounts of church money on his personal residence, when he was supposed to be leading what we call here, a diocese. Most recently, the Pope has been sneaking out of the Vatican, at night, to minister to the homeless, alongside another priest.

---Ex-Catholic on 12/10/13


And you say you are not a liberal and you don't watch liberal media? Likely story!
---Jed on 12/11/13


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Willie: From what I've seen, the Liberal media likes Pope Francis. It seems he removed an Italian cardinal who spent lavish amounts of church money on his personal residence, when he was supposed to be leading what we call here, a diocese. Most recently, the Pope has been sneaking out of the Vatican, at night, to minister to the homeless, alongside another priest.
---Ex-Catholic on 12/10/13


Hi, Ex Catholic (c: You say Francis seems to be "the first church leader who actually teaches what Christ lived?" Well, the wrong leaders can be the ones who the liberal media gives a lot of publicity, in order to give Christianity a bad name. They "might" not want to call attention to ones who are for real.

"Or they can't find them, because they are busy living in real life with people they are reaching."

By the way, Jesus lived by walking among people in their personal situations. He could be approached by the woman who washed His feet with her tears, though she was a known sinner. He was not afraid of women (c:
---willie_c: on 12/10/13


--Ex-Catholic, thank you for proving my point.
//1 John was written to believers. 1 John 1:9 tells us to confess our sins. Being human, we still commit them. It's necessary to confess.//
Peter,James and John,three of the twelve apostles to Israel, write to jewish believers(ref Gal 2:8,9, James 1:1, 1Pet 1:1, 1Jonn 1:1-5)
Col. 2:13 "And you, being dead in your sins (in our pre-salvation existence) and the uncircumcision of your flesh, (regarding pagan Gentiles) hath he (God of verse 12) quickened together with him, (when Christ died, we died, when He arose from the dead, we arose to newness of life) having forgiven you ALL trespasses,"
---michael_e on 12/10/13


--Ex-Catholic on 12/9/13: My apologies for speaking only for the protestant churches I had been to.

It is something that I have only encountered between friends. I had felt the idea in the Catholic and Orthodox churches, and sometimes in the Anglican church as well, of putting it as 'something you're supposed to do' was a good reminder.

But again, as I said, I spoke without knowing

Sorry
---Peter on 12/9/13


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Jed: Wow! You are so good at twisting people's words. I've only started watching CNBC recently. I did not know that Larry Kudlow was liberal. Thanks for informing me.

Now, about twisting my word. How does my question: "Why is he unpopular with Conservative in the U.S.?" become me saying Conservatives hate Pope Francis?

Finally, how does watching a show I don't know is by a Liberal make me a Liberal?

You're still making assumptions about me.

Finally, why are you so hostile to me? I've never said a thing that deserves any hostility. I asked an honest question.
---Ex-Catholic on 12/9/13


Peter: The Baptist churches I have attended have encouraged accountability relationships, where confession is always encouraged. I've had an accountability relationship with a more mature, Godly woman for most of my Christian life. She knows everything about me. Throughout our relationship, she's taught and guided me.
---Ex-Catholic on 12/9/13


Michael e: I don't think you are totally correct in what you say. I've never heard any mention of any of the Baptist churches I've been a member of, following "Peter's Priesthood." I've carefully read every church's constitution, never heard mention of Peter that way.

1 John was written to believers. 1 John 1:9 tells us to confess our sins. Being human, we still commit them. It's necessary to confess.

Other epistles teach us how to prepare for Communion, by righting wrongs.
---Ex-Catholic on 12/9/13



Jed: You make an awful lot of wrong assumptions about me. You assume I'm a liberal, and that I watch liberal TV. It's a shame, because it gives me a negative impression of you. I've been attending fundamental churches for 33 years, and have never met a man like you. Wow.

---Ex-Catholic on 12/9/13


You are the one making false assumptions about conservatives! Conservatives don't hate Pope Francis, so that is a lie. I however did not assume anything about you. You said you heard of this on Larry Kudlow on CNBC, a liberal program.
---Jed on 12/9/13


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Both Roman Catholic and Non-Catholic churches think they are Israel and follow Peters priesthood and Johns confessional. This undermines the understanding of forgiveness in the dispensation of grace.
Confessions always appeal to a covenant promise, and never to the finished work of the cross. If the work were truly finished, why do we need to continually confess to get forgiveness?
To those who put their faith solely in the complete work of Christ, we have already been forgiven for Christs sake through his blood (Eph 4:32, Rom 3:24-25).
Those who continually confess their sins for forgiveness are confessing their inability to rightly divide the ministry of Peter and John from the ministry of Paul.
---michael_e on 12/9/13


Jed: You make an awful lot of wrong assumptions about me. You assume I'm a liberal, and that I watch liberal TV. It's a shame, because it gives me a negative impression of you. I've been attending fundamental churches for 33 years, and have never met a man like you. Wow.
---Ex-Catholic on 12/9/13


Pete, you said James 5:16 is "awfully" like Catholic confession. In official Roman Catholic confession, a non-priest confesses to a priest, but the priest does not confess to the non-priest. So, the confession is one-way, and not "to each other".

James 5:16 says, "Confess your trespasses to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much."

We confess to each other and pray for each other to be "healed" of what makes us able to sin, "healed" more and more into God's love in our character . . . so caring about one another, not only about getting our own selves forgiven.
---willie_c: on 12/9/13



I saw a clip from Varney's show, where I heard him talking. Plus, Rush has been speaking out against the pope.
---Ex-Catholic on 12/8/13


So you saw a clip from Varney's show on some liberal's show who was criticizing him, right? Let me guess, the clip was probably only a few seconds long, but they played the clip over and over again, then they had to throw in their own interpretation of what Varney said and put their own words in his mouth. Get a life and quite worrying about a single comment that one person made.

Also, I listen to Rush Limbaugh almost every day and never hear him bashing Pope Francis.
---Jed on 12/9/13


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-shira4368 on 12/8/13
'Jesus Christ is the name we glorify not the priest.'

Glorify yes, but you forget - I think there is another verse, but I,ll quote one, James 5:16 'Therefore confess your sins to each other'

Not done in the Protestant churches, but awfully like the Catholic confession
---Peter on 12/8/13


\\ex-catholic, they don't teach what Jesus said.\\

Neither do Baptists.

Nor, apparently, does Steveng's worldly denominational church. You can tell that by comparing his words with those of the Gospel

Only Orthodoxy teaches what Jesus said.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/9/13


ex-catholic. the pope is popular with catholics.
---shira4368 on 12/9/13


Shira: I know all that. I am a saved believer, and have been away from Catholicism for decades.

I'd like to know why the current pope is unpopular with the political Conservatives.
---Ex-Catholic on 12/8/13


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one always becomes unpopular when mixing politics with religion.
---michael_e on 12/8/13


ex-catholic, they don't teach what Jesus said. catholics pray to mary and use her as intercessor. Jesus Christ is the name we glorify not the priest. also says not to call others father but your father in heaven.
---shira4368 on 12/8/13

Shira,

When did you stop calling your earthly father, father?

Also why is their a commandment saying honor your father and mother?
---Ruben on 12/8/13


\\also says not to call others father but your father in heaven.
---shira4368 on 12/8/13\\

Can you tell us the NEXT verse without looking at your Bible, shira?

Bet you can't!

**The pope definately does not teach what Christ taught. He's following the same ideology as Obama (socialism, income inequality, redistribution of wealth,**

Steveng, Christ taught, "Sell all you have, give to the poor, come follow Me, and you will have treasure in Heaven." Note the order. Giving to the poor is a prerequisite for following the Savior.

Is Jesus therefore a socialist?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/8/13


ex-catholic, they don't teach what Jesus said. catholics pray to mary and use her as intercessor. Jesus Christ is the name we glorify not the priest. also says not to call others father but your father in heaven.
---shira4368 on 12/8/13


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ex-catholic, they don't teach what Jesus said. catholics pray to mary and use her as intercessor. Jesus Christ is the name we glorify not the priest. also says not to call others father but your father in heaven.
---shira4368 on 12/8/13


I saw a clip from Varney's show, where I heard him talking. Plus, Rush has been speaking out against the pope.

StevenG: What has the Pope taught that goes against what Jesus taught? I might have missed what you claim he said.
---Ex-Catholic on 12/8/13


The pope definately does not teach what Christ taught. He's following the same ideology as Obama (socialism, income inequality, redistribution of wealth, allow the government create jobs, the global economy needs more government control, and anti-capitalism) in which the MSM is falling head over heels to claim he is right hoping people will follow the pope (unknown unto destruction). The pope is nothing more than giving his own liberal opinion based upon him living in a socialist country. The Catholic church has gone from anti-communism to anti-caitalism and the current pope has taken it to the extreme.

Besides, even Satan comes as an angel of light saying ten scriptures to follow one lie.
---Steveng on 12/8/13


Who listens to Stuart Varney? I've never even heard of him until now and I'm probably more conservative than anyone you know. Did YOU actually hear it on Varney's show or did you hear someone else talking about Varney saying it? One 15 second comment from one no-name Fox reporter does not constitute a conservative consensus. The person you heard bashing Varney for his comment probably spent 10x more time blowing it out of proportion than he even spent talking about the Pope. Varney certainly isn't a spokesman for conservatives and isn't even influential among conservatives. Now if Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck had said it that would be a different story.
---Jed on 12/8/13


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He's jus the head honcho of the family body of the trinity apostates, Rev. 17 v's 4 - 6, ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Such good people But so Spiritually Impaired.
---Lawrence on 12/7/13


I heard this on Stuart Varney's show, on Fox, and Larry Kudlow, on CNBC.
---Ex-Catholic on 12/6/13


I've not really been paying any attention to what the media say about Pope Francis. Since I'm Orthodox, it matters little to me.

However, I have noticed that if there is a way of messing up the truth about anybody's church the media will find it.

An old priest used to say, "If the religion editor of the local newspaper does a conscientious professional job for 10 years, he's promoted to copy boy in classified."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/6/13


Who says Pope Francis is unpopular with conservatives? Where are you getting this information? I listed to conservative programming daily and I haven't heard any talk about Pope Francis at all! Are you actually hearing this stuff on conservative programming? Or have you been hearing liberal media say that he is unpopular with conservatives? Perhaps they took one sentence someone said and made a big huge story about how conservatives hate Francis? That seems more likely.
---Jed on 12/6/13


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He is not unpopular with conservatives. Rush does not speak for all conservatives.
---Scott1 on 12/6/13


I don't know him personally.

Paul became as those he was reaching to. He did not minister from a distance, but put himself in harm's way in reaching to people. He says, "I have become all things to all men," in 1 Corinthians 9:19-23. This is in the priesthood of Jesus . . . how Jesus Himself went through real-life things that we go through > Hebrews 4:15 > in order to feel for us and help us.

And Paul says "Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ." (1 Corinthians 11:1) So, we all are called to this real priesthood of Jesus. With those you personally reach and help, you could be more "famous" than anyone showing and telling in the media.
---willie_c: on 12/5/13


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