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Does God have faith? Please give scripture to affirm your beliefs.

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Kathr, I know you will always disagree with the Truth when it is right in front of you. Richard answer is correct, so is Christan's. Educated people do not get saved, only the elect get saved. To show how smart you are about faith you said:
"No magic here at all. Faith comes by HEARING the Word of God. Do you believe Genesis 1-3? If you believe it, you have faith in God's Word."
You forgot the second part of the passage, "And hearing by the Word of God" you have no spiritual hearing. How can you understand what faith is? Not possible, no matter how smart or educated you are. Why don't you blame Calvin for not teaching you.
---Mark_V. on 12/16/13


Kat, "Through faith we understand that" is a prepositional phrase. In your own words "To understand the sentence you take out the prepositional phrases to get the ACCURATE emphasis on what the SUBJECT is." Therefore to understand Heb 11:3 since we know that the emphasis is on faith, let's take away that phrase to get "the accurate emphasis" of the subject, and who's faith is being disclosed. "The worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear." Faith is the evidence of things not seen. So who's faith is being disclosed?
---josef on 12/16/13


Romans 4: 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.


We see these verses and all of Romans 4 say NOTHING about Jacob and Esau.

Anyone can see, if God wanted to establish election based on Jacob, then Romans 9-11 would be written first and then somehow Romans 1-8 would follow.

Romans 4 is about Abraham's faith, and those who have the faith of Abraham, are counted as the seed.

Jacob's election, altogether another issue, has nothing to do with faith. There is no reference to anyone having to have the faith of Jacob before one is counted as the seed.
---kathr4453 on 12/16/13


What is even more telling is through the NT Romans 4, Galatians, the 4 gospels! James, Abraham is ALWAYS used, and NEVER Jacob in reference to "justifying" faith.

The majority of Jacob's earthly seed, Israel, rejected Jesus, failed to enter the promise of the land, Hebrews 3-4, because they did not have FAITH.

Don't confuse Jacob's election to be the corporate head of a NATION with saving faith demonstrated by Abraham.
---kathr4453 on 12/16/13


"Through faith we understand" not through God's faith, our faith."---Mark_V. on 12/14/13 Mark please correct me if I am mistaken. I understand "Through faith we understand" to be a prepositional phrase, and it is my understanding that "a prepositional phrase will never contain the subject of a sentence." Therefore the subject of the sentence has to be someone other than "we". Would you not consider that accurate?
---josef on 12/16/13




When God justifies the ungodly, it is not outside of His eternal love for the sinner. From the testimonies in the Scriptures, God does not love everyone (as in the case of Jacob and Esau). Both were ungodly as they are sinners through the sin of Adam.

That's why it's so important to believe the "faith that pleases God" is not from within the dead man but from without. Scripture explicitly declares, "For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God."

"Saving faith" can never be found in the fallen man, "...for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." Adam was faithless, that's why he disobeyed God.
---christan on 12/16/13


BRYAN, talk is cheap, very cheap. Why don't you just show us ONE verse that supports what you have just said and that's, "The whole bible is full of God having faith and using faith." Mind you, that you have already failed miserably in Hebrews 11:3.

As for "God having faith", what's He having faith in? That man will believe in Him? Doesn't that make the role of God worthless, since the man can "reject" His salvation according to you freewillers? Why even worship a God if the man's will can overcome His will?

Shouldn't you be worshipping the man? Which in your blindness is precisely what you're doing, since your god has to have faith in the saving of man and not the man.
---christan on 12/15/13


Richard, if as scripture states, that God justifies the UNGODLY, how then can you insist the heart has to change first? If one's heart is changed first, then one does not have to be justified to begin with. If the heart is changed, he's no longer ungodly, and no longer in need of faith for salvation.

And why does one's heart have to first be changed to have faith? And you claim no faith can happen from a sinners heart?

A sinner is just as capable as having and showing faith as a saint.

Did the blind man have to first see to be able to have faith to see?
---kathr4453 on 12/15/13


I twist scripture? By tell people they can use what God has given then any way they want to? By not judging them as religion does. If I tell them the truth, the truth will set them free not some man made up religion on how the Gospel of Jesus Christ works. Jesus is given to the whole world. You will reap what you sow. So be careful of what you sow. If you sow some kind of religion don't blame God when the word does not work in your life. It will always do what God said it will do produce after it's kind. The seed is in it's self.
---BRYAN on 12/15/13


How is it boasting, if I believe God at his word, and it works in my life, and those around me. Then I will always boast in the word. God has faith in his word. Knowing what he has Given us, is the most powerful thing he could give us, He knows his word will never let evil triumph over good. Question is do you believe that? His word works according to how you believe. It is set up that way by God knowing evil can never be able to triumph over his word maybe in your life but not his. Jesus proved that on the earth, kicking evils butt ever were he went when they believed him. The whole bible is full of God having faith and using faith.
---BRYAN on 12/15/13




"How does the word of God do anything?" BRYAN

"Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." John 3:3,5,6

"It is the spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." John 6:63
---christan on 12/15/13


""For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God. Not of works, lest any man should boast."

Some deny that "faith" is not "the gift from God" when it says what it says in Ephesians 2:8. Along with the "the gift of faith from God" comes the reward of salvation, isn't that the purpose of "faith"?

"But without faith it is impossible to please Him: for he that cometh to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him." Hebrews 11:6 - that's why the Christian WILL have salvation, he believes in God through faith.
---christan on 12/15/13


Karthr - Never States it is the Gift of Faith to Believe -

The Question , How can some one truly believe with there heart unless God has Change There heart ? How can it be trusted ? How it be trusted when someone say's I Believe , If the nature of man heart is evil from youth, Genesis 8:21 - Now we have verses in the Bible were God said he will change the person heart,

Romans 10:9 - That if thou confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raise him from the dead , thou shalt be saved,

So how can a unsaved man really believe with his Heart, unless God is taken action in a person life?
---RICHARDC on 12/15/13


"For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God. Not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:8,9
---christan on 12/11/13


Ok anyone who has an education above the 4 the grade knows what prepositions are, and how to diagram sentences.
The "IT is a gift" is not addressing the prepositional phrases.

Ye are saved, and it is SALVATION that is the Gift.

By grace
Through faith are prepositional phrases.

So to understand the sentence you take out the prepositional phrases to get the ACCURATE emphasis on what the SUBJECT is. The PREPOSITIONAL phrases are NEVER the subject.

Educated people know this.
---kathr4453 on 12/15/13


So people, please don't let uneducated people, who also show a lack of proper grammar we also see from these, twist this verse in Ephesians to try to tell you FAITH in that verse is the GIFT. Salvation IS the Gift of God. The Righteousness of Christ imputed to you IS the gift of salvation clearly stated in Romans 5. Romans 5 clearly state more than once what the gift IS, and NEVER states it is the gift of faith to believe.

So as Christan and Markv scold BRYAN for twisting scripture, they too are guilty of the same.
---kathr4453 on 12/15/13


-christan How does the word of God do anything? If it is not done by faith, then how is it done? Did God wave a magic wand? You say I don't understand how faith works and how God gave us the same faith he has, we have the same word he has, makes sense to me we would have the same faith. Did he use something he is not telling us. Did he use something other than Jesus? Religions divide Jesus unites
---BRYAN on 12/15/13


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"Hebrews 11:3 God by faith formed the worlds. Sound like he uses faith to me." BRYAN

Goodness gracious, not only is your understanding erroneous, you can't even get the verse right in context!

Hebrews 11:3 explicitly says, "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear." Hebrews 11:3

Hello? The "faith" is with reference to the believer understanding "that the worlds were framed by the word of God". Open your earthly eyes, it never said "God by faith formed the worlds."

Truly unbelievable!
---christan on 12/14/13


Lets use common sense.

By faith WE believe the worlds were framed by the word of God. Here is God's expamle and DEFINITION of FAITH.

Ok so how do we know the world was framed by the Word of God? Well, 1) either you had to be there to SEE it happening, or 2) you believe Genesis 1-3 concerning the beginning of the Word of God who said....in the beginning GOD created the heavens and earth.

No magic here at all. Faith comes by HEARING the Word of God. Do you believe Genesis 1-3? If you believe it, you have faith in God's Word.

It's so simple. Don't let cults rob you of common sense. Believe God's definition.
---kathe4453 on 12/14/13


Why do cults have such a stronghold over the minds of their victims?

I do remember being taught many false things before I got saved, and the incredible spiritual warfare after I was saved concerning these false concepts. The Holy Spirit always won/wins out ..truth over lie, as long as you are willing to receive the truth over man's lies. So if the Holy Spirit is really in you, and is your teacher as scripture tells us as well, and you are submitted to Him, your desire will be to want to know the TRUTH, the Whole truth and nothing but the truth no matter how much it hurts. These are called OVERCOMERS. OVERCOMERS have the Word WROUGHT in them, having nothing to do with head knowledge.
---kathr4453 on 12/14/13


When people require Christ to have faith (faith and faithfulness are not the same) they are diminishing the truth found in Christ.
There was never a time when Jesus was not full of truth (John 1:14). Truth came by Jesus not to him like it did other men (John 1:17).
Christ did not need faith. Christ is the object of faith (John 14:1).
Faith is the evidence of things not seen (Heb 11:1). There are plenty of things men do not see. That is why they need faith to believe them.
There is nothing the Word cannot see (Heb 4:13, 1 Cor 4:5).
Christ did not need faith in anything. He knew the truth, was the truth, and performed according to the truth.
---michael_e on 12/14/13


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Bryan, you now give:
"-christan Hebrews 11:3 God by faith formed the worlds. Sound like he uses faith to me."
Bryan, that is not what the passage is saying at all which makes no sense why you would try to twist the passage, you gain nothing by doing that, and for trying to deceive others you add to Scripture what is not there. Here is what the passages states:
"Through faith "we" understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear" (Hebrews 11:3).
"Through faith we understand" not through God's faith, our faith.
---Mark_V. on 12/14/13


No faith is what we have. When we hear the truth we put our faith in the truth for life. Before you new of the truth, your faith was in death. Remember Gods power is the only thing that creates or destroys. God is not a respecter of person, either you put your faith in his word and live or you don't. Cause his word "Jesus" came to give life, your choose. Either you believe it or you don't. There is no middle ground.
---BRYAN on 12/14/13


-christan Hebrews 11:3 God by faith formed the worlds. Sound like he uses faith to me.
---BRYAN on 12/13/13


"Before men hear the truth and believe it, they do not have faith, and do not know the truth." micahel e

Ephesians 2:8,9 - "For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."

Yes, "faith" is from without and not within. God must give it to you. Do you have to ask for it? NO. Or it defeats the meaning of salvation by grace alone.

"But without faith it is impossible to please Him: for he that cometh to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him." Hebrews 11:6
---christan on 12/13/13


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Faith is what men possess when they hear the word of truth and believe it (Rom 10:17). Faith is not needed by the one man who is the Truth (John 14:6).
Men must have faith in the truth, but Christ was the truth.
Before men hear the truth and believe it, they do not have faith, and do not know the truth.
---michael_e on 12/13/13


Heb12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.

Paul,also said, be followers of me the way I am of Christ reiterating Hebrews 12, of the fellowship of His sufferings.

Peter agrees in 1Peter 4. Which is our sanctification, not justification.
---kathr4453 on 12/13/13


It is so important to understand Jesus who is the author and finisher of our faith that sanctifies us. Keeping this mind in you that was also in Christ Jesus (Philippians 2) sets that stage as Philippians 3 tells us the order ..that I may Know Him, and the power of his resurrection and the fellowshipof His suffering....etc, totally agree with Hebrews 12 concerning our sanctifying faith, becoming OVERCOMERS, victorious, as Jesus is our example we are to follow.

These definitely are the works that are to follow our initial salvation.

Also remember Psalms 23, when you do walk through the valley of the shadow of death...the Lord is right there with you and will bring you to the finish line.
---kathr4453 on 12/13/13


It's important to keep all these verses together so one verse standing alone is not taken out of context.

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
---kathr453 on 12/13/13


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"I said God used faith. We have to use faith to, are we will never receive anything from God." BRYAN

And I'm still waiting for you to show us the verse that says God "used faith" to create the universe and everything in it. Until you have this evidence of the Scripture, you're just lying and adding on to the Word of God at your own whims and fancies.
---christan on 12/12/13


Jesus is the 'author' (the initiator, chief leader, as "one who affords an example as a predecessor, and pioneer in the matter of faith"), and 'finisher' (perfector, "one who has in his own person raised faith to its perfection and so set before us the highest example"). of faith. Hbr 12:2 True Faith is the 'fruit' (as in that which is produced of) the Holy Spirit. Gal 5:22
We are kept or guarded "by the power of God through faith for salvation" 1Pe 1:5
---josef on 12/12/13


I said God used faith. We have to use faith to, are we will never receive anything from God.
---BRYAN on 12/12/13


God is not a man that He needs faith, so say you. It's the man that needs "faith" to believe in God.

"But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is" Hebrews 11:6

---christan on 12/12/13

This part I completely agree with Christan. Thank you for clarifying.
---kathr4453 on 12/12/13


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Josef, the passages you gave are true:
""For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?" Rom 3:3 KJV
"Even the righteousness of God [which is by the] faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference. Rom 3:22 KJV"

God is always faithful on His promises. The word used instead of "faith" is the word "faithfulness." Example one of my KJV bibles has:
"Will their unbelief make the faithfulness of
God without effect? Certainly not! Indeed, let God be true but every man a liar."
(Rom. 3:3,4). Not that He has faith in something, but that He is faithful because He cannot lie.
---Mark_V. on 12/12/13


"And God said, Let there be light: and there was light."

Bryan, you have this bad habit of saying things from the Bible that's not said. First of all, why would God need faith for? To believe in you? To believe that He can create something out of nothing?

You fail to see that God is 100% TRUTH and when He spoke "Let there be light" and because He's Truth, "there was light". It came forth by His command. God is not a man that He needs faith, so say you. It's the man that needs "faith" to believe in God.

"But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is" Hebrews 11:6
---christan on 12/12/13


Ok Christan, faith is also listed as the fruit of the Spirit. Now let's take faith as ONE of the Gifts, listed with knowledge, wisdom, healing, tongues, etc, Markv says is no longer active in the church today. So now let's examine FAITH as a gift.

You claim THIS particular "faith" listed, (((but not give to All in the body,))) Like tongues healing, wisdom, etc, is the one that is given to SAVE you? And it's listed with healing, tongues wisdom and so forth? So tell us why only SOME in the body are given the gift of faith? And why SOME are given the gift of healing, wisdom, knowledge etc? Are you sure the verse is talking about SAVING faith? Then you say only SOME in the body are saved...correct????
---kathr4453 on 12/12/13


8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom, to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit,

9 To another faith by the same Spirit, to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit,

10 To another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another divers kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues:


Ok, here is the verse to be clear....

So according to Christan, you are saved by your gift, which are many, or not all in the body are saved, because not all are given the gift of faith...only to SOME in the body.

NUTS!
---kathr4453 on 12/12/13


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MarkV,
I am not saying they are smarter. You said that.
I am saying they are RIGHT.
It has nothing to do with how smart a person is. It has EVERYTHING to do with believing the truth. Which is what we are supposed to do.
Again, I tell you to seek God about this. I and many have given you scripture that backs up the TRUTH, seek and you will find.
One can choose to believe the truth of God or not. When one does, they are made alive and shown the way.
---g on 12/12/13


\\There is no such thing as a gift of Faith.\\

Wrong, again, BRYAN.

The infallible Word of God disagrees with you.

1 Cor 12:

8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom, to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit,

9 To another faith by the same Spirit,

Would you like to try again, BRYAN?

See why I don't believe you speak the Word of God?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/11/13


"There is no such thing as a gift of Faith." BRYAN

"For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned." Matthew 12:37

"For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God. Not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:8,9
---christan on 12/11/13


trey yes God has faith. scripture is Genesis 1:3 In the beginning there was no light, in faith God spoke let there by light, did it stay dark? Right now light is travel through the cosmos at the speed of light in all direction. That God using his faith.
---BRYAN on 12/11/13


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christan Do you thing your using some thing other than faith, when you do evil or good. It is the only thing that will produce. It can produce life or death. If you understand how to use faith life will be great. If you don't good luck.
---BRYAN on 12/11/13


There is no such thing as a gift of Faith. The apostles asked Jesus one time to increase our faith, He answered and said, "You don't understand what you asking for". Jesus is telling us we have all the faith we need, we just have to put our faith in what Jesus tell use to be true. Just like being born again, some one told you about Jesus. Then you put your faith in him. Religion gives you a lot of acts to do, but Jesus said just put your faith in me. Jesus said your "faith". He did not say the faith I have give you, but the faith you already have put it in me.
---BRYAN on 12/11/13


"There is nothing you do on this earth except by faith, nothing. Think of one thing you can do with out faith." BRYAN

When a murder happens, adultery is committed, lying to your spouse... is it done with "faith"? What kind of "faith" teaches you to murder, commit adultery, lie?

Your comment with regards to biblical "faith" is most definitely not one who has received "God's gift of faith".

And if according to you, "God gave all mankind the measure of faith", why are there multitudes in hell and going to hell? "For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? God forbid:"
---christan on 12/11/13


g, you said, besides a lot of other trash:
"Every man has a measure of faith. It is what they choose to put it in that is the KEY.
Some choose to believe(have faith in) God."

So what you are saying is the one's who choose to put their faith in God are smarter then the one's who didn't? So you get into heaven for been smarter, that is great. We are going to have nothing but smart people in heaven, great, I never knew that, can you find that in the Bible? I don't think so.
Only believers have faith, unbelievers are called unbelievers because they have no faith. Faith comes from God through the Word, when it come to someone in power and in the Holy Spirit, otherwise you do not get faith. Now that is in the Bible.
---Mark_V. on 12/11/13


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"God KNOWS the Gospel is true." WRONG! He WROTE the Gospel and the Holy Bible! That's why it's the Truth! It's all about His Son. Do you have faith to believe this?

---christan on 12/10/13


Christan, I think you LOVE making mountains out of nothing. Cluny just stated what you said in a different way, but you are both saying the same thing....SO WHY then did your first post say "God IS Faith?" You tend to send a double message here. br>
Cluny was 100% correct right from the beginning and you just hate that christan. You don't have to re-word what we already know.

God is the object of OUR FAITH. The reason God KNOWS the Gospel is true is because He wrote it...OK THEN!
---kathr4453 on 12/11/13


The Almighty that knows all things does not need to have faith, rather we human beings need to have faith in HIM.
---Adetunji on 12/11/13


Hebrews 11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.

3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

OK Bryan, nowhere does scripture say God created everything by faith.

This is where WOF has twisted scripture. It says THROUGH FAITH WE UNDERSTAND.
---kathr4453 on 12/11/13


\\"God KNOWS the Gospel is true." WRONG! He WROTE the Gospel and the Holy Bible!\\

WRONG!

The only thing God actually wrote in human language was the 10 Commandments.

PEOPLE inspired by God wrote the Gospels and the rest of the Bible, which is not the same thing.

Do you think the Evangelists, Prophets, and others channeled the Bible by some form of automatic writing?

I hope not.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/11/13


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"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6

And some say "Our Father believes the Gospel is true. Does He have faith in Jesus?"??? Well, guess what - "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

Why does God need to have faith when He is the embodiment of Truth? It's the sinner that needs to have faith, not Him.

"God KNOWS the Gospel is true." WRONG! He WROTE the Gospel and the Holy Bible! That's why it's the Truth! It's all about His Son. Do you have faith to believe this?
---christan on 12/10/13


There is nothing you do on this earth except by faith, nothing. Think of one thing you can do with out faith. God made everything by faith. And you think he did not put it in every body the same measure? You use it for life or you can use it for dead it will produce either one you chosen. It is not Paul who gives you faith. Paul just gives the revelation of the word he received about Jesus. God gave all mankind the measure of faith. That is the only way we can be equal.
---BRYAN on 12/10/13


mark you only see faith as a religion, and you believe the only way it can be use is in religion. Gods word is for all mankind. He gave it to all. I grant you, try to use his on word against him and it will cost you more than you can afford. People put faith in all kinds of things. Will it get them to Gods heaven Only through faith in Jesus. That is called faith in the word. You believe your keys will start you car do you not? All water does one thing, it get's you wet. All faith will produce, the fruit it produces may cost you your life but it will produce.
---BRYAN on 12/10/13


\\Our Father believes the Gospel is true. Does He have faith in Jesus? I would say He fully trusts His Son Jesus. So, if faith means trusting, then yes our Father has faith in Jesus. \\

Wrong.

God KNOWS the Gospel is true.

Knowledge and faith are NOT the same things.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/10/13


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THE FAITH OF GOD- What IS Faith?
The whole idea that God has faith is completely foreign to the Bible. Biblical faith is: human beings trusting in a God they cannot see, to do things that He has promised.

Definition: Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen. God sees all and knows all from all eternity. So, God doesnt need to have faith. And since God doesnt need to have faith, the idea that we have to imitate Gods faith is clearly unbiblical. Remember, faith is always object oriented: Faith in God not faith of God. And if we mix that up, we have a faulty understanding of what true biblical faith really is and have stated we are little gods, as the WOF false teaching teaches.
---kathr4453 on 12/10/13


It depends, Trey, on what you mean (c: If you mean saving faith, ones can argue that God does not need to be saved (c: Or they can argue that He is safe, by nature, because of His faith. And on we could go.

If you mean belief in the gospel. Our Father believes the Gospel is true. Does He have faith in Jesus? I would say He fully trusts His Son Jesus. So, if faith means trusting, then yes our Father has faith in Jesus.

Do all men have faith, including all evil and Satanic people? Paul speaks of how we need "faith working through love," in Galatians 5:6. If "all" have this, it isn't working very well for "a number" > Paul says "not all have faith." (in 2 Thessalonians 3:2)
---willie_c: on 12/10/13


"For those who say God has faith, in whom or what would God's faith rest?"
The Father's faith rest in his Word. He is completely confident without wavering or doubt that the Word that [came] forth from [His] mouth shall not return to [Him] void, but shall accomplish what [He] please, and shall prosper in the thing for which [He] sent [that Word].

---josef on 12/8/13


No Actually that is what OUR faith is in. His Promises.

Hebrews 11 says by faith "WE BELIEVE" God doesn't have to believe.
---kathr4453 on 12/10/13


g, actually you are wrong. Unbelievers do not have faith in Christ. That is why they are called unbelievers. If they had faith already, there would be called believers. So again you are wrong. you are not speaking for the Word of God. you are defending a lie. Changing the truth to lie is sin and the wrath of God is upon you,
"Who exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever, Amen" (Rom. 1:25).
---Mark_V. on 12/10/13


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Actually MarkV,

He would be telling the truth.
NOT the lie you and your friends try to pass off as scripture and truth on here.
Every man has a measure of faith. It is what they choose to put it in that is the KEY.
Some choose to believe(have faith in) God. Other put it in people or false gods. It is all through out the entire Bible which you and your friends like to chop up into little pieces and peddle as truth. If it is part truth and part lie it is STILL A LIE.
---g on 12/9/13


"For those who say God has faith, in whom or what would God's faith rest?"
The Father's faith rest in his Word. He is completely confident without wavering or doubt that the Word that [came] forth from [His] mouth shall not return to [Him] void, but shall accomplish what [He] please, and shall prosper in the thing for which [He] sent [that Word].
---josef on 12/8/13


Cluny, you are never satisfied with our answers. If the scriptures say faith of God and faith of jesus, then why question?
---aka on 12/9/13


\\God has faith in his word\\

BCV, please BRYAN.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/9/13


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Bryan, you conclude you know what you are talking about concerning faith:
"You take what God has given to all mankind and try to turn it into a religion. Faith is not a religion, everybody on this earth has the same measure of it."
You are wrong for two reasons. When Paul was speaking in (Romans 12:3) concerning faith, in the context he was speaking to those among him, believers. Not all human beings. God gave each believer a measure of faith.
Second, you are wrong because if every human being had a measure of faith, then there would be no unbelievers. They would be believers by faith, no matter how small it was.
Interpreting the passage as you did, you are making a new religion.
---Mark_V. on 12/9/13


Rom.12-3.
...but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
---Carl_Roller on 12/9/13


We have faith because we do know know or see, as it is written, "We walk by faith and not by sight."

But God sees and knows.

For those who say God has faith, in whom or what would God's faith rest?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/8/13


God has faith in his word. It will accomplishes what he sends it out to do. That is faith in his word. We have the same ability to believe his word to. It still works the same way believe in it or not. It still will produce life for those who believe and dead to those who refuse it.
---BRYAN on 12/8/13


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This is simply amazing. The scripture says faith of God...faith of jesus and there are those who say no.

God has faith in God(liness...divinity...triunity).
---aka on 12/8/13


\\ Not understanding what faith is. \\

You are not so confused that you actually think that YOU understand faith, are you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/8/13


cluny there you go again think with your human brain. Not understanding what faith is. You take what God has given to all mankind and try to turn it into a religion. Faith is not a religion, everybody on this earth has the same measure of it. Jesus show use that, by all the different ways he use it. Faith works by what you believe, but the only thing that will produce life is Gods word. You will have no fruit for life unless you use his word for life. The parable of the sower, Mark chapter 4, The first parable Jesus taught. Understand it, It is the way his word works.
---BRYAN on 12/8/13


Faith is not a religion. You can make it one all you want, but it is not. It is the substance God used to make even it's self. That is why he is God not use. And if you follow Jesus as you say you do, you would know the mysteries of Heaven. Jesus gave us that in Matthew chapter 13, Mark chapter 4, and even in Luke chapter 8. These are things Jesus gives you if you follow him. Not your religious beliefs but him. You say you believe the word, then put your faith in it and let it produce Gods perfect will in your life. Our job is to direct people to heaven with there faith not tell them there going to hell with it.
---BRYAN on 12/8/13


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Faith in itself is meaningless. It must have an object and recipient.

The wrong one makes our faith worthless.

So, in whom or in what would God put HIS faith?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/7/13


God is FAITH.

"After these things the word of the Lord came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward." Genesis 15:1

"But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him." Hebrews 11,^

"For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:8,9
---christan on 12/7/13


\\Yes being he uses it. He created it, He created all things.\\

So, God, Who is totally UNcreated, has something created about Him and His nature.

This is what you are saying, BRYAN.

Would you like to try again?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/7/13


Mar_11:22And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
Rom_3:3For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
Tit_1:1Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness,

Joh_14:15If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh_15:9As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
Joh_15:12This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
I think this says it all, not as you love. But as I love you!

Clearly he is saying I have had more faith in you then you have had in each other. Peace
---TheSeg on 12/7/13


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Good point about the word "of" or "in" the son of God. Paul came to understand that our faith in the word is the key. That we believe it will produce life in us.
---BRYAN on 12/7/13


YHWH has no need to have faith as he all ready knows the outcome of everything.

Humans do not know the outcome of all things and require faith and hope to survive.
---Blogger9211 on 12/7/13


God does not have faith. For God to have faith, He would have to put His trust in someone higher than Himself. There is no one Higher than God....our faith is IN HIM, noT in faith itself.
---kathr4453 on 12/7/13


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