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jerry6593 on 1/21/14: Thus, calling Sunday the Lord's Day without any scriptural justification is adding to scripture, and is thus a false doctrine.

Jerry, you may call it a 'false doctrine' if you so desire. I, speaking Greek, know that the word used for 'the Lord's Day' is still used in Greek 2000 years later for Sunday.

It is not in the Bible - but then neither is how to understand each word written in the Scriptures. John assumed people would know - ass all the other writers of the NT assumed people could read or understand Greek

Ignoring it is ignoring the wording of the Bible
---Peter on 1/24/14


Excellent Jerry,
Unlike MarkV, I accept the Correlation between Saturday and the Sabbath.
But, you still do not have scriptural justification, hence your statement is just as true for you as it is for me. We are adding words to the scripture when we report that the Bible confirms Saturday is the Sabbath.
You have read my posts long enough to know that I believe that the 2 Royal Laws of Liberty is what we follow. And even though they have similarities to the Decalogue, it does not mean we should follow it. As I said before, by following the 2 you automatically follow the 10, but, by following the 10, you are not necessarily following the 2.
The 10 was to bring us to Christ, to show our need for the Saviour.
---micha9344 on 1/23/14


Michael: If you could know for sure exactly which day of the week today is the one and only holy Sabbath Day, would you endeavor to keep it?

You might try:

1) Look in any dictionary or encyclopedia under "Sabbath", and it will say Saturday, the seventh day of the week.

2) Check which days the entire Christian world acknowledges as the day of Christ's crucifixion and His resurrection. The Sabbath is the day between them when Christ "rested" in the tomb.

3) Check with the US Naval Observatory and you will find that the Sunday-to-Saturday weekly cycle has come down to us unbroken since the time of Christ.

4) Ask any of millions of Jews worldwide which day is the Sabbath.

---jerry6593 on 1/23/14


Jerry,
All those are awesome references from the Word of God.
However, they still do not link the day we call Saturday to what the Bible calls the Sabbath.
This cannot be done biblically, but must be done through other historical means, which may be fallible.
As soon as we go to references other than the Bible, the thoughts of changing times and seasons automatically comes into play.
What documentation that you know links the Gregorian/Roman day of Saturn with the Jewish Sabbath?
And, could you please post it for us?
---micha9344 on 1/22/14


Michael: "Thus, calling Saturday the Lord's Day without any scriptural justification..."

Oh, but you do err, as:

Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God:

Exo 20:11 ... wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Isa 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, ... my holy day,

Luk 4:16 ... as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day,

Luk 23:56 And they returned, ... and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

---jerry6593 on 1/22/14




So, if there is no scripture linking Saturday and Sunday to the Lord's day or the Sabbath, then we must look historically.
Many on here have blamed RCC for the supposed changes.
Let us find some historical documents that link the Roman days to the Jewish days and see what Christians were doing within the first couple centuries.
"But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world, and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday), and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun..."-Justin Martyr 110-165AD
---micha9344 on 1/21/14


"Again, no mention of the day of the week. Thus, calling Sunday the Lord's Day without any scriptural justification is adding to scripture, and is thus a false doctrine."-jerry6593 on 1/21/14
Again, no mention of the day of the week. Thus, calling Saturday the Lord's Day without any scriptural justification is adding to scripture, and is thus a false doctrine."
---micha9344 on 1/21/14


Michael: "It would seem that most people know what is meant by the Lord's day from the original Greek carried over into the modern, except those pushing a false doctrine."

I think you're right! From Strong's Concordance:

kuriakos

From G2962, belonging to the Lord (Jehovah or Jesus): - Lords.

Again, no mention of the day of the week. Thus, calling Sunday the Lord's Day without any scriptural justification is adding to scripture, and is thus a false doctrine.



---jerry6593 on 1/21/14


jerry, you now say,
"This verse does not mention which day of the week is the Lord's Day. To find that out, one has to look at other verses, as: Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
The Book of Revelation cautions against adding your own words to it (Rev 22:18)."

The Book of Revelation does not say anything about the Sabbath being on Saturday. So you are adding to the Word of God.
Genesis doesn't mention the day God rested, you also added to the Word of God what is not there.
---Mark_V. on 1/21/14


Exodus 20:8 - Remember the Sabbath to keep it Holy,
---RichardC on 1/21/14




The Sabbath commandment as given in the OT was NOT about worship, but about rest from labor--an enforced rest that extended to ones slaves and farm animals.

Read it.

There were services TWICE DAILY in the Temple and still are in traditional synagogues.

Of course, I don't know what this has to do with my original question.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/20/14


Sabbath being on Sunday comes from these Verses :


Mark 16:1 - And when the Sabbath was - past - Mary Magdalene, and , and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him,

Mark 16:2 - And very early in the morning ! the first day of the week, that came unto the sepulcher at the rising of the sun,

( haven't gone over this in a while - As I recall it has to do with OT ceremonial law not being in affect any more)
---RichardC on 1/20/14


Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day(Kyriake hemera), and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
Sunday(Kyriake) from modern Greek.
How can you thus say:
"This verse does not mention which day of the week is the Lord's Day."-jerry6593 on 1/20/14
It would seem that most people know what is meant by the Lord's day from the original Greek carried over into the modern, except those pushing a false doctrine.
Acts 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, [Ye must] be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no [such] commandment:
---micha9344 on 1/20/14


Pater: With respect, you have added to the words of Revelation that which is not there. Namely the assignment of the first day of the week as the Lord's Day. Here is what my Bible says:

Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

This verse does not mention which day of the week is the Lord's Day. To find that out, one has to look at other verses, as:

Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

The Book of Revelation cautions against adding your own words to it (Rev 22:18).


---jerry6593 on 1/20/14


jerry6593 on 1/19/14: You asked when the Sabbath was changed.

Obviously the Sabbath as Sabbath was not, but in revelation (Rev 1:10) we can see that what used to be called 'the first day' is now called ' the Lord's day', a name which remains in Greek until today. In John 20:1, written earlier than Rev 1:10, John uses 'the first day' but later, the same day was called, by Christians, 'the Lord's day'

But you also must remember that in the Council of Jerusalem (Acts 15) there is no regulation for the Gentiles to follow the regulations of the Sabbath.
---Peter on 1/19/14


I think we can move on to the 24hr section.
God said He created the heavens and the earth and all that is in them in six days.
He told this directly to Israel. Israel told time by first dividing the day and night. Each section contained 4 watches of three hours each.
Sometimes they just used the hour, i.e. 9th hour of the day.
These days were longer in the summer and shorter in the winter, but the 6th hour of the day always corresponded to what we know as noon. The first hour being sunrise, the 12th being sunset.
When God told Israel that He created in Six days, they understood it to be 24 hour days, no matter how long the day was.
We can quabble about minutes and seconds all we want, but 1 day, 1 evening, 1 morning , 24 hours.
---micha9344 on 1/19/14


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MarkV: "Under the New Testament man changed the Sabbath day."

Please show Chapter and Verse to justify this statement. If so fundamental a change were to be made, then why didn't Jesus or the Apostles mention it? And why did they ALL continue to keep the Seventh-day Sabbath their entire lives?

And, just who gave man authority to overrule the Commands of God?



---jerry6593 on 1/19/14


Jerry, you are wrong concerning Strongaxe when you say,
" Axey's day length arguments can be for no other reason than to allow time for the conjectured process of Evolution to take place."
That is not his purpose for answering. He told you that already. It was to show that the hours of a day are not mentioned. No other reason. The same as me. Only what is there not what we conclude in our minds.
Like me, I conclude the day is 24 hours. I don't see 24 hours but I conclude it is 24 hours. And when the first time, the word "day" was given, there was no sun yet. But as we know now there is a sun now.
---Mark_V. on 1/19/14


Michael: Excellent points! God was the light on the first three days, as He will be in the earth made new. Axey's day length arguments can be for no other reason than to allow time for the conjectured process of Evolution to take place. But .... If Days 1-3 were eons long (as required by said conjecture), then the rotation rate of the earth would be equally long, and the vegetation of Day 3 would die since half of the earth would be in darkness. Further, the startup acceleration going from a nearly stationary earth to one moving at 1000 mph on the surface would destroy any remaining vegetation and surface features.



---jerry6593 on 1/18/14


Strongaxe, I agree with you. No hours are mention for each day nor, the day God started to create. I believe that was not the purpose of God's words. If God had said 24 hours, and as we know now the day does not have 24 complete hours then we would know that God lied. The day has 23 hours and 56 min. and about 33 seconds, the reason we have a leap year. Also concerning the day of creation, it was not until man, determined what days they would use to works and what day they would use for the Sabbath. Under the New Testament man changed the Sabbath day. If to God a day is like a thousand years and we take that literally, then the days in creation would be like a thousand years, but we use 24 hour days as a rule to speak of morning and evening.
---Mark_V. on 1/18/14


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StrongAxe, you seem to be a thinking person. Why is it that we use the sun as the measurement for one revolution of the Earth, one day?
Does the sun have to be there for the Earth to revolve?
Would the lack of the sun change the revolution of the Earth?
The answer that is sufficient for me is: God was there and God told us. After all, He did create day and night on the first day.
Wouldn't that say to any reason oriented individual that there was a day and a night corresponding to a normal day- an evening and a morning?
Without a reference, the sun or the stars, we would have a hard time knowing. But it was God who was there. He does not need a reference point. He told us it was one day each the same for day 1 as day 6.
---micha9344 on 1/17/14


Axey: Only an idiot could misconstrue:

Exo 20:9-11 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, ... For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Where do you think the week came from, if not from this? Are you confused as to the length of YOUR days?



---jerry6593 on 1/17/14


micha9344:

Please point out in ANY of the scriptures you quoted where it says what KIND of day they were, or how long the day was, or how such a day was measured (other than "evening and morning"). You can't, because none of them says anything of that kind.

By Jewish tradition, days are from sunset to sunset. While not stated in the Bible, it correlates with Genesis 1 days as "evening and morning" - i.e. evening (i.e. part of the day after sunset) is the very first part of the day. This is also mentioned at Jesus's crucifixion, as the Sabbath began at sunset. Yet "sunset" is not adequate for the first days when there was no sun to set, nor any earth for it to set behind.
---StrongAxe on 1/16/14


"But I AM saying the Bible NEVER ACTUALLY SAYS they were the same."-StrongAxe on 1/16/14
Gen 1:5 ...And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Gen 1:8 ...And the evening and the morning were the second day.
Gen 1:13 ...And the evening and the morning were the third day.
Gen 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
Gen 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
Gen 1:31 ...And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
\The Bible measures days from "evening to evening".\-StrongAxe on 1/11/14
I don't think it is we who is reading between the lines.
---micha9344 on 1/16/14


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micha9344, jerry6593:

You said the first 7 were "normal" days. We always measure days based on the position of the sun (or, if you prefer, the rotation of the earth with respect to the sun). Days in which the sun and earth did not exist are the farthest thing from "normal".

And I am NOT assuming these days were different. I say time and time again that I am NOT saying they WERE different. But I AM saying the Bible NEVER ACTUALLY SAYS they were the same. Nobody can dispute this unless they can cite chapter and verse where the Bible actually does. Good luck with that.

I take the Bible at what it SAYS: They were DAYS. If you specify what KIND of days, you read between the lines.
---StrongAxe on 1/16/14


Does this mean that the Day of the Lord is only 24 hours, micha? -Cluny on 1/11/14
Not at all Cluny, for it does not have a number associated with it and it is not outline by an evening and a morning.
Your example is more associated with:
Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
This reference does imply a period of time according to its contextual setting.
"There must have been some different criterion of measurement that would have held then too."-StrongAxe on 1/11/14
So, all but Gen 1:8 of my examples imply a normal day. What about the text leads you to believe that the other days were any different?
---micha9344 on 1/15/14


Axey: "The confusion comes not from reading the lines, but reading between them, and implying meaning to them that is not present in the text, and condemning anyone else who doesn't do the same."

But that is exactly what YOU are doing when you imply that a day in Exo 20:8-11 is anything other than a normal ~24 hr. day!



---jerry6593 on 1/13/14


\\Can you tell me the difference in meaning for "day" in these verses and how you could tell please?\\

Does this mean that the Day of the Lord is only 24 hours, micha?

Christ is baptized!
---Cluny on 1/11/14


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jerry6593:

The confusion comes not from reading the lines, but reading between them, and implying meaning to them that is not present in the text, and condemning anyone else who doesn't do the same.


micha9344:

The Bible measures days from "evening to evening". Evening is typically from sunset. "Typically" because that measurement was not possible during the first three days when there was no sun to set. There must have been some different criterion of measurement that would have held then too.

"24 hours" isn't it, because nowhere does the Bible ever mention a day as being 24 hours. Besides, it would not explain Joshua's long day (Joshua 10:12-14) that was twice as long.
---StrongAxe on 1/11/14


Joh_10:13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
-Trav on 1/8/14
Ahh, Yes, Trav. I missed the hireling. He definitely does not fit into any of the other categories.
Praying we keep searching for those morsels of meat.
---micha9344 on 1/11/14


StrongAxe,
Can you tell me the difference in meaning for "day" in these verses and how you could tell please?
Jud 19:8 And he arose early in the morning on the fifth day to depart...
Gen 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
Jos 6:14 And the second day they compassed the city once, and returned into the camp: so they did six days.
Gen 1:8 ...And the evening and the morning were the second day.
Deu 5:13 Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:
Genesis 1:31 ...And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Exodus 16:29 ...therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days...
---micha9344 on 1/10/14


Axey: "Much division comes from people reading between the lines things that aren't there."

True! So where does your confusion about the length of Creation days come from reading these lines?

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: ... Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.



---jerry6593 on 1/10/14


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jerry6593:

You asked: What reason do you have for thinking that the days of Creation are anything other than ordinary days?

I didn't say they were. What I did say, frequently, was the Bible never actually says how long that they were. I said this in objection to (primarily) Warwick who insists that the Bible does so.

I don't make these kinds of arguments in order to propote some different kind of doctrine. I do so because it is important to be precise, and when one makes any kind of doctrinal claim based on the Bible, it is important to know exactly what the Bible does say, and what it doesn't. Much division comes from people reading between the lines things that aren't there.
---StrongAxe on 1/8/14


John 10:1-5 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. ..... And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
The Shepherd, the sheep, the Porter, the thief, the robber, and the stranger.
---micha9344 on 1/6/14

I liked your post, along with several others. You summed up the picture in John, nice and simple.

It also occurred to me also that a stranger is trying to lead the sheep of our nation now....into places that true sheep just won't go.

Joh_10:13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
---Trav on 1/8/14


Jerry, I do not have any power to change anything in the Word of God. What I do know is that I am not under the law as you are. Yet you break the law every day when you insult others. Then turn around and preach the law.
But listen to what Christ has done for those under the New Covenant, those saved by grace through faith,

"For in Him (Jesus) is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, "having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the Law of commandments contained in ordinances," so as to created in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peach" (Eph. 2:14,15).
---Mark_V. on 1/8/14


***************

MarkV: "I follow Jesus Christ who is the Word of God."

Great! Jesus said "Go and sin no more." But you say: "I can sin all I want, because I am above the law." Jesus wrote "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy." But you say: "I have the power to make any day holy and will CHOOSE Sunday if I please, because I have the FREE WILL to do so."

You are a walking contradiction!

***************


---jerry6593 on 1/7/14


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John 10:1-5 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. To him the porter openeth, and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
The Shepherd, the sheep, the Porter, the thief, the robber, and the stranger.
---micha9344 on 1/6/14


bo..... intended to set up a Communist Dictatorship in America. He has indeed "completely transformed" America.
Thanks a lot liberals. What will you do when the have's no longer have anything for the have-not's to steal
---jerry6593 on 1/4/14

Agree with you on the above and the poser.
Have heard said that Christian's can be identified as scripturally as sheep. And as sheep, will do and act as sheep. There are few, seemingly no shepherds of any mustard seed faith standing against the mamzer the sheep allowed.
Zec 9:16 And the LORD their God shall save them in that day as the flock of his people: for they shall be as the stones of a crown, lifted up as an ensign upon his land.
---Trav on 1/6/14


Jerry, your insults do nothing but expose who you are. An imposter, exposing your free will salvation. You then say,
"Why do you fight against your own Church?"
The church I attend is not my church. I do not own it nor do I follow everything anyone teaches, I follow Jesus Christ who is the Word of God. I do not defend any denomination I defend the Truth. And the Truth is that we are now under the Spirit of the Law, not under the written letter of the law. We have been set free by Christ who is our Savior who fulfilled the law.
---Mark_V. on 1/6/14


************

Axster: "I did not object to what Genesis SAYS - just the claim that the Bible says those days were 24 hours."

Why??? What reason do you have for thinking that the days of Creation are anything other than ordinary days? Worldly influences perhaps?

**************



---jerry6593 on 1/4/14


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****************

Five years ago I posted on CN the belief that B.O. intended to set up a Communist Dictatorship in America. He has indeed "completely transformed" America. We are now very close to becoming a third world banana republic Communist Dictatorship. Thanks a lot liberals. What will you do when the have's no longer have anything for the have-not's to steal?

*****************

---jerry6593 on 1/4/14


moderator, please contact your congressman or representative and maybe they will try to find out. this disturbs me very much and makes me wonder if its because you are a Christian. its going to get much worse in the near years ahead.
---shira4368 on 1/4/14


The President of ChristiaNet was placed on the TSA watch list and was told so by the TSA. He was left to speculate as to whom and how he was placed on the list since the TSA didn't release the information.
---Moderator on 1/4/14


---KarenD on 12/28/13 "Moderator never did explain why "we" were put on no fly list."

Karen, the more important question the moderator never answered was who were WE?

The moderator clearly assumes it was because he/she is a Christian

Is that a real assumption? We cannot know, because we are never provided with sufficient evidence

Was the moderator even TOLD he/she was on the watch list? Or was the moderator just assuming it?

I do not know. In Jewish law, you were expected to say everything. The moderator did not........
---Joshua on 1/3/14


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jerry6593:

You wrote: Axster: Now you compare yourself with Jesus?

No. You totally miss the point. If one person declining to answer means he loses an argument, and another person declining to answer does NOT mean he loses an argument, one of these things must be true:
1) Jesus is a person and I am not, or vice versa
2) Your logic is inconsistent
I go for #2

Your refusal to answer straightforward questions does not demonstrate your moral superiority - quite the opposite!

No. I choose to avoid a mud-slinging match about a subject that has nothing to do with the subject of this blog.

I did not object to what Genesis SAYS - just the claim that the Bible says those days were 24 hours.
---StrongAxe on 1/3/14


*******************

Now Little Markie, there you go again presuming to be able to read my mind. (How else would you know it's "dirty"?) You are a fine one to accuse someone else of character flaws, when you have previously demonstrated on CN that you are a liar, a slanderer, a plagiarist, and an hypocrite.

As for your immunity from obedience to God's law, your own Baptist Confession of faith (which I got from your home church's website) states:

"Nor does Christ in the Gospel dissolve this law in any way, but He considerably strengthens our obligation to obey it."

Why do you fight against your own Church?

*************************

---jerry6593 on 1/2/14


Jerry, I notice that every time you don't like someone, you insult them. You take answers personal, only because they do not agree with you. You say,
"I didn't call you a fool, and I don't think you are one. You are intelligent, but when you dodge questions rather than giving "an answer to every man that asks" (1Pet 3:15), you give the impression of deception."
When you talk as you do to others, while preaching the written law, you give the impression you are still under the law, not under Grace, or under the Spirit of the law. You think in your dirty mind that when you spell our names wrong, you are winning some points with God, you are very much deceived. You only manifest you are not one of us.
---Mark_V. on 1/1/14


Axster: Now you compare yourself with Jesus? How lame, if not downright blasphemous. Your refusal to answer straightforward questions does not demonstrate your moral superiority - quite the opposite!

Yes, you have indicated your objection to a literal, 6-day Creation interpretation of Genesis on several occasions. Are you now willing to recant? Do you now embrace the true, Seventh-day Sabbath? The Orthodox comment was aimed primarily at Cluny, which I thought I made clear. I guess not.

I didn't call you a fool, and I don't think you are one. You are intelligent, but when you dodge questions rather than giving "an answer to every man that asks" (1Pet 3:15), you give the impression of deception.

---jerry6593 on 1/1/14


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jerry6593:

I declined to answer. The Pharisees asked Jesus what his authority was for preaching. He declined to answer. Do you infer that Jesus failed? Because you can't honestly do it here but not there. I NEVER said I was Orthodox. I'm not. By assuming I am, you make erroneous assumptions.

I never said I don't believe 6-day creation or 7th day Sabbath. Please show me one place where I have did. Please stop throwing erroneous accusations. "Thou shalt not bear false witness" IS in the Bible.

Also please stop the insults. They hurt you more than me, especially calling someone a "clown", which is like calling him a "fool". If you believe Matthew 5:22, that can put you in danger of hell fire.
---StrongAxe on 12/31/13


Jerry, you who speak about keeping the law, sure know how to break the law by throwing insults at others. Don't you realize that is sin against the law? You even call others pathetic. Paul spoke about sin within him in (Rom. 7:14-25) when he said:
"But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members" (v. 7:23). The law of sin is sure showing in you everyday you insult others. You know you don't have to. But you want to.
---Mark_V. on 12/31/13


Axster & Cloony: Cute little tapdance, but dodging the issues does not at all show that you are Orthodox Bible-believers. The Axster said that he believes the whole Bible, but, knowing that he doesn't believe in a literal 6-day Creation or the Ten Commandments, I gave him a test from Exo 20. HE FAILED!

Cloony, who eternally drones about his Orthodoxy, then proves his claims to be false by attacking two original, Orthodox doctrines believed by Jesus and 100% of His followers - the 6-day Creation and the Seventh-day Sabbath.

Hopefully you clowns have talents other than tapdancing, because that was pathetic.





---jerry6593 on 12/30/13


StrongAxe, did you notice how Jerry tried changing the subject, clouding the issue, and bringing up the Saturday Sabbath issue again?

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/29/13


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jerry6593:

You said: OK. Pray tell if you believe the following or not:

It is not the accused's job to defend against vague accusations. Rather, it is the accuser's job to provide evidence that corroborates the accusation. Only once such evidence is presented, does the accused need to defend himself.

Do you believe Romans 14:5?
"One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind."

Do you hold with abortion and slavery?

Again, this isn't about what I believe, but what the law is. Whether the government is wrong has nothing to do with whether I personally agree with it. Please stay on focus.
---StrongAxe on 12/29/13


Moderator never did explain why "we" were put on no fly list.
---KarenD on 12/28/13


Axey: "Please show where I said or indicated I don't trust God's word."

OK. Pray tell if you believe the following or not:

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: ....
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it

And BTW, I have no problem with SCOTUS interpreting law - only with writing it. [Do you hold with abortion and slavery?]




---jerry6593 on 12/27/13


jerry6593:

You said: Axey: Aren't you the good little comrade?

Don't you ever tire of hurling insults? By the Golden Rule, you must welcome them yourself. Sadly, I don't, so I won't.

My purpose here is not to pontificate about what I belive is right and wrong about our system of government. Rather, it is to say what the law ACTUALLY SAYS and DOES NOT SAY. I leave its interpration up to the courts (who have been appointed its interpreters) and voters (who can change it if they don't like it).

It's the same on other blogs. I point out what the Bible actually says and doesn't - my opinion on such matters is irrelevant (as should be that of anyone else who takes the Bible seriously rather than just suggestions).
---StrongAxe on 12/26/13


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jerry6593:

You said: Too bad you don't trust and obey God's Word ...

Please show where I said or indicated I don't trust God's word. Also show where I have not obeyed God's word (chapter and verse, and what specifically I did to disobey it). If you can't, you accuese falsely (something the ten commandments specifically forbid).

The constitution says the Supreme Court is the ultimate authority on interpreeting what any laws mean. Many people who whine about the constitution not being enforced forget that part of it, believing any ruling the Supreme Court makes they don't personally agree with is not valid, and not binding on them.
---StrongAxe on 12/26/13


Axey: Aren't you the good little comrade? Too bad you don't trust and obey God's Word the way you do the Federal Government. Your thesis that the Constitution is insufficiently clear to define the workings of government is absurd. The 10th Amendment is crystal clear - "if it ain't in here, the Feds can't do it." Your supreme faith in SCOTUS would have once endorsed slavery as it now does abortion. Do you endorse these institutions? SCOTUS was never granted the right to write law, but it does.

As for no one objecting, WE THE PEOPLE do, and we WILL be heard eventually!



---jerry6593 on 12/26/13


jerry6593:

When there is a doubt as to how any law (including the constition) applies, the constitution defers the resolution of such doubts to the courts, with the ultimate appeals being decided by the Supreme Court. If there are any federal powers that you believe are unconstitutional, then either SOMEONE complained about it, and the Supreme Court ruled them constitutional, or NOBODY complained (in which case nobody has the right to whine).
---StrongAxe on 12/25/13


The US Federal Government is allowed ONLY those powers enumerated in its Constitution. All other power is reserved to the several states per the 10th Amendment. Thus, Obamacare, Welfare, Education, Environmental Protection, etc. are not allowed as Federal experiments under the Constitution. We are watching our once great country descend into tyranny under the management of Democrat and RINO traitors.




---jerry6593 on 12/23/13


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If you went onto someone's private property who does not want you to wear it, THEY have the right to tell you to take it off or leave. The Bill of rights only affects the Government ---NurseRobert on 12/22/13


Firstly, the two examples I gave (and the example Trish gave about the shirt) was at school, which is government, not private property.

Secondly, if the bill of rights only guarantees your rights against government infringement, then why are private businesses and churches often prosecuted for discriminating? The Constitution doesn't protect you on private property, right?
---Jed on 12/22/13


Becuase, Shira, Jed is wrong. You don't have the right to wear your Jesus T-shirt anywhere you want too. You DON'T have the right to free speech anywhere you want, and you DON'T have the right to carry any gun, anywhere you want.

If you went onto someone's private property who does not want you to wear it, THEY have the right to tell you to take it off or leave. The Bill of rights only affects the Government, and even with that, there are limits, based on SCOTUS decisions and interpretation of the Constitution.

Ignorance of this concept is rampant in this country.
---NurseRobert on 12/22/13



No, you're wrong according to the Supreme Court, but then, your too much of an arrogant tea partier to understand that..

---NurseRobert on 12/22/13


Wow. I'm always surprised at the level of hostility in your comments. Out of someone who claims they are the party of compassion.

Most laws and administration policies have never seen the Supreme Court, so your comment is just plain ignorance. Also, we have a supreme court that has abused it's powers and overstepped the bounds of it's intended function. Our courts often legislate from the bench, which is not their job.
---Jed on 12/22/13


every single person should have the right to worship how they please. any teacher is wrong to make 1 single person from expressing their beliefs. jed is right and I can't understand why some are so negative about his post.
I don't care who wants to limit my freedom of religion, I will show my faith everytime I get a chance. I will wear my Jesus t-shirt where I want to.
---shira4368 on 12/22/13


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Axey: "I don't recall "right to air travel" enumerated anywhere in the Constitution as one of our rights."

I think this response illustrates why we are in the mess we are currently experiencing in the US. You liberal, progressive, socialist, communist statists just can't seem to understand that our "rights" are not GIVEN to us by government, but rather by God Himself. The US Constitution is not a document that grants us rights, but a document that restrains the GOVERNMENT from trampling on the rights of WE THE PEOPLE.

Every day our God-given rights are trampled by illegal (i.e. unconstitutional) government regulations.




---jerry6593 on 12/22/13


Jed: I understand what you're saying, BUT, feel I must remind you that is why out Founding Fathers created THREE branches of government. The Judicial Branch's job is to rule on the Constitutionality of laws passed by the Legislative Branch.

If you believe YOUR personal rights have been violated, you have the right to appeal it, which I suggest you do. There are Christian and secular legal groups which should help you in that.
---Trish on 12/22/13


I'm wrong ACCORDING TO YOU, a liberal who lives by deception.
---Jed on 12/21/13

No, you're wrong according to the Supreme Court, but then, your too much of an arrogant tea partier to understand that..
---NurseRobert on 12/22/13


Warwick, all you have to do is read Jed's rant (and he's wrong on every point he made here)---NurseRobert on 12/21/13

I'm wrong ACCORDING TO YOU, a liberal who lives by deception.
---Jed on 12/21/13


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Trish, I understand what the question says. My point is, All the attention is put on the student who was told to change the shirt, but all of the students in that class who obeyed the rule had their rights infringed also. They didn't have to get in trouble for wearing a religious shirt to have their rights trampled. Just the fact that they didn't wear religious shirts because it wasn't allowed means their rights were trampled. See my point?

Every day I am subject to thousands of laws that limit my constitutional rights. Just because I have always obeyed those laws and can't give a story of a specific time that I was told to stop, doesn't mean that I'm not daily prevented by those laws from exercising my constitutional rights.
---Jed on 12/21/13


This question is asinine...
---Jed on 12/20/13

Warwick, all you have to do is read Jed's rant (and he's wrong on every point he made here) to see what I was saying.
---NurseRobert on 12/21/13


Moderator...I too want to know why "we" were put on the TSA watch list.
---KarenD on 12/20/13


Jed: I could be mistaken, but I believe the question means, have YOU, Jed, ever been arrested, or physically prevented, from practicing any of your FIRST Amendment rights.

Example: I once had a Sunday School student tell me that a teacher ordered her to go to the bathroom, and turn her shirt around, because it had something about the girl's faith in Christ on it. The girl went to the principal's office, and told her that she would get a lawyer and sue, because to be forced to change her shirt is a violation of her First Amendment right to Free Speech and Freedom of Religion. The principal agreed with my student. Teacher was corrected.
---Trish on 12/20/13


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Moderator:

While I agree that TSA harassment is wrong and unfair, I don't recall "right to air travel" enumerated anywhere in the Constitution as one of our rights.
---StrongAxe on 12/20/13


This question is asinine. Any law which violates any of our constitutional rights, regardless of whether we excersize them, is a violation of our rights, PERSONALLY. For example, even if you are a liberal anti-gun hippie, it is still YOUR right to carry a gun, even though you choose not to. And any restriction of that right is a violation of your PERSONAL rights. Just because it doesn't affect you because you don't excersize that specific right, doesn't mean your personal rights haven't been taken away.br>
MY PERSONAL rights are violated with thousands of unconstitutional laws every day. Just because I have never attempted to defy those laws in order to assert my constitutnioal rights, doesn't mean those rights haven't been violated.
---Jed on 12/20/13


Moderator, can you explain who "we" is, and how this diminished your Constitutional rights?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/20/13


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